Liverpool F.c.

[carmine]

I was reading the other day that Guardiola tasks his team, on losing possession, to winning the ball back within five to ten seconds. This to me is another aspect of them playing at a different level.

i've posed this on here because my question relates to the football being played by Liverpool three seasond ago.

These tactics of pressing way up the pitch seems very reminiscent of a number of Liverpool performances i watched that season and i wondered whether Benitez used to throw the same type of challenge down to your players?

i'm going to make a presumption that your percentage of possession held that season was very high.

Edited June 21, 2011 by carmine

[StevieH]

I was reading the other day that Guardiola tasks his team, on losing possession, to winning the ball back within five to ten seconds. This to me is another aspect of them playing at a different level.

i've posed this on here because my question relates to the football being played by Liverpool three seasond ago.

These tactics of pressing way up the pitch seems very reminiscent of a number of Liverpool performances i watched that season and i wondered whether Benitez used to throw the same type of challenge down to your players?

i'm going to make a presumption that your percentage of possession held that season was very high.

benitez was employing this tactic with his valencia side back in 2001-02 carmine. high pressure high up the park which results in opponents being forced into losing possession closer to their own goal - easier and quicker to make chances. it's a smart tactic and barcelona under guardiola have tweaked and perfected it. i think for a chunk of 2008/09 season benitez's liverpool were arguably the best team in europe and got a lot of the results to back that up. would have won the league but for a frankly ridiculous run of non-conceding from man united from christmas to march or so.

this is a good read on benitez's valencia side: http://www.zonalmarking.net/2010/01/29/teams-of-the-decade-11-valencia-2001-04/

[Abrak]

I was reading the other day that Guardiola tasks his team, on losing possession, to winning the ball back within five to ten seconds. This to me is another aspect of them playing at a different level.

i've posed this on here because my question relates to the football being played by Liverpool three seasond ago.

These tactics of pressing way up the pitch seems very reminiscent of a number of Liverpool performances i watched that season and i wondered whether Benitez used to throw the same type of challenge down to your players?

i'm going to make a presumption that your percentage of possession held that season was very high.

I dont happen to know if this is of any particular relevance to your question.

But I thought it was interesting that LFC's possession was higher 53.6% under Hodgson than it was under Dalglish (50.2%). I dont really know about tactics but I sort of imagined that Kenny's tactics was to pass the ball around a bit more, so intuitively especially as he won far more games I would have expected Liverpool to have had greater possession under Dalglish.

[StevieH]

I was reading the other day that Guardiola tasks his team, on losing possession, to winning the ball back within five to ten seconds. This to me is another aspect of them playing at a different level.

i've posed this on here because my question relates to the football being played by Liverpool three seasond ago.

These tactics of pressing way up the pitch seems very reminiscent of a number of Liverpool performances i watched that season and i wondered whether Benitez used to throw the same type of challenge down to your players?

i'm going to make a presumption that your percentage of possession held that season was very high.

I dont happen to know if this is of any particular relevance to your question.

But I thought it was interesting that LFC's possession was higher 53.6% under Hodgson than it was under Dalglish (50.2%). I dont really know about tactics but I sort of imagined that Kenny's tactics was to pass the ball around a bit more, so intuitively especially as he won far more games I would have expected Liverpool to have had greater possession under Dalglish.

another occasion where pure statistics don't tell anywhere near the full story. you can have 53.6% of possession paying 6-yard passes between your two centrebacks and your centre midfielders in your own defensive third of the pitch. doesn't remotely mean you are dominating the match or are the better team. it's not representative.

[carmine]

I was reading the other day that Guardiola tasks his team, on losing possession, to winning the ball back within five to ten seconds. This to me is another aspect of them playing at a different level.

i've posed this on here because my question relates to the football being played by Liverpool three seasond ago.

These tactics of pressing way up the pitch seems very reminiscent of a number of Liverpool performances i watched that season and i wondered whether Benitez used to throw the same type of challenge down to your players?

i'm going to make a presumption that your percentage of possession held that season was very high.

benitez was employing this tactic with his valencia side back in 2001-02 carmine. high pressure high up the park which results in opponents being forced into losing possession closer to their own goal - easier and quicker to make chances. it's a smart tactic and barcelona under guardiola have tweaked and perfected it. i think for a chunk of 2008/09 season benitez's liverpool were arguably the best team in europe and got a lot of the results to back that up. would have won the league but for a frankly ridiculous run of non-conceding from man united from christmas to march or so.

this is a good read on benitez's valencia side: http://www.zonalmark...lencia-2001-04/

Thanks for that...good read.

[smokie36]

I was reading the other day that Guardiola tasks his team, on losing possession, to winning the ball back within five to ten seconds. This to me is another aspect of them playing at a different level.

i've posed this on here because my question relates to the football being played by Liverpool three seasond ago.

These tactics of pressing way up the pitch seems very reminiscent of a number of Liverpool performances i watched that season and i wondered whether Benitez used to throw the same type of challenge down to your players?

i'm going to make a presumption that your percentage of possession held that season was very high.

I dont happen to know if this is of any particular relevance to your question.

But I thought it was interesting that LFC's possession was higher 53.6% under Hodgson than it was under Dalglish (50.2%). I dont really know about tactics but I sort of imagined that Kenny's tactics was to pass the ball around a bit more, so intuitively especially as he won far more games I would have expected Liverpool to have had greater possession under Dalglish.

another occasion where pure statistics don't tell anywhere near the full story. you can have 53.6% of possession paying 6-yard passes between your two centrebacks and your centre midfielders in your own defensive third of the pitch. doesn't remotely mean you are dominating the match or are the better team. it's not representative.

I'd love to see the possession stats for the team of the early '80s.....now that was a great side.

[StevieH]

I was reading the other day that Guardiola tasks his team, on losing possession, to winning the ball back within five to ten seconds. This to me is another aspect of them playing at a different level.

i've posed this on here because my question relates to the football being played by Liverpool three seasond ago.

These tactics of pressing way up the pitch seems very reminiscent of a number of Liverpool performances i watched that season and i wondered whether Benitez used to throw the same type of challenge down to your players?

i'm going to make a presumption that your percentage of possession held that season was very high.

I dont happen to know if this is of any particular relevance to your question.

But I thought it was interesting that LFC's possession was higher 53.6% under Hodgson than it was under Dalglish (50.2%). I dont really know about tactics but I sort of imagined that Kenny's tactics was to pass the ball around a bit more, so intuitively especially as he won far more games I would have expected Liverpool to have had greater possession under Dalglish.

another occasion where pure statistics don't tell anywhere near the full story. you can have 53.6% of possession paying 6-yard passes between your two centrebacks and your centre midfielders in your own defensive third of the pitch. doesn't remotely mean you are dominating the match or are the better team. it's not representative.

I'd love to see the possession stats for the team of the early '80s.....now that was a great side.

back in the days when keepers could still pick up backpasses though. grobelaar - hansen - lawrenson - grobelaar became the ball possession triangle in the mid-80s spell.

dalglish's 87-88 side was something else in terms of ball retention and making chances though.

[Abrak]

I was reading the other day that Guardiola tasks his team, on losing possession, to winning the ball back within five to ten seconds. This to me is another aspect of them playing at a different level.

i've posed this on here because my question relates to the football being played by Liverpool three seasond ago.

These tactics of pressing way up the pitch seems very reminiscent of a number of Liverpool performances i watched that season and i wondered whether Benitez used to throw the same type of challenge down to your players?

i'm going to make a presumption that your percentage of possession held that season was very high.

I dont happen to know if this is of any particular relevance to your question.

But I thought it was interesting that LFC's possession was higher 53.6% under Hodgson than it was under Dalglish (50.2%). I dont really know about tactics but I sort of imagined that Kenny's tactics was to pass the ball around a bit more, so intuitively especially as he won far more games I would have expected Liverpool to have had greater possession under Dalglish.

another occasion where pure statistics don't tell anywhere near the full story. you can have 53.6% of possession paying 6-yard passes between your two centrebacks and your centre midfielders in your own defensive third of the pitch. doesn't remotely mean you are dominating the match or are the better team. it's not representative.

I am not into those sort of stats either. I was quite interested in some of the latest technologies they are using. One is GPS which constantly tracks the movement of all the players and the ball, so it knows your running speed, your distance run, how quickly you have tracked back, whether you are correctly positioned relative to the other players and the ball. It can also connect it with real time data such as your heart rate to check your fitness levels as well as design training programs to improve your weaknesses. We certainly wouldnt have bought Cole if we had had that around at the time. It can obviously analyse passes, length of passes, completions etc.

Another technology is called hawk eye which is like the tennis ball analyser at wimbledon. Essentially it recreates very accurate 3D images so that a corner kicker can for instance take 20 actual corners these will be recreated totally accurately by the computer and then the software can analyse how players should best be positioned to receive different types of corners. You can also recreate the digital picture from video, so you can accurately analyse how best to handle set pieces from opposition teams. It all works in virtual real time. They should really use it for goal mouth technology because it would tell you to the accuracy of a blade of grass whether a ball had cross the line far faster than a ref could consult a linesmen.

[mrbojangles]

Another technology is called hawk eye which is like the tennis ball analyser at wimbledon. Essentially it recreates very accurate 3D images so that a corner kicker can for instance take 20 actual corners these will be recreated totally accurately by the computer and then the software can analyse how players should best be positioned to receive different types of corners. You can also recreate the digital picture from video, so you can accurately analyse how best to handle set pieces from opposition teams. It all works in virtual real time. They should really use it for goal mouth technology because it would tell you to the accuracy of a blade of grass whether a ball had cross the line far faster than a ref could consult a linesmen.

I can't wait for technology to be introduced and Hawkeye is supurb. Unfortunately, whilst Blatter is still on the throne we will remain in the dark ages.

[smokie36]

Another technology is called hawk eye which is like the tennis ball analyser at wimbledon. Essentially it recreates very accurate 3D images so that a corner kicker can for instance take 20 actual corners these will be recreated totally accurately by the computer and then the software can analyse how players should best be positioned to receive different types of corners. You can also recreate the digital picture from video, so you can accurately analyse how best to handle set pieces from opposition teams. It all works in virtual real time. They should really use it for goal mouth technology because it would tell you to the accuracy of a blade of grass whether a ball had cross the line far faster than a ref could consult a linesmen.

I can't wait for technology to be introduced and Hawkeye is supurb. Unfortunately, whilst Blatter is still on the throne we will remain in the dark ages.

No no Jack Warner just bought a 10% stake in Hawkeye.....

[alfieconn]

Little scouse joke for ya ............................................

Gerrard: "Liverpool is a magical place."

Probably explains why so much stuff disappears there !

[StevieH]

that 'joke' is older than you are alfie.

[Abrak]

I thought it was quite funny that after showing a chart with premiership players who had created the most chances in the league and that Liverpool were extremely interested in the majority of the players.....

Charlie Adam, Ashley Young, Jordan Henderson, Joey Barton. Stuart Downing, N'Zogbia and Leighton Baines. That makes 7 out of 15.

Since then stories have come out with Liverpool being linked to three more.....

Liverpool keen on Malouda....

http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/media-watch/liverpool-keen-on-malouda

And apparently on Aaron Lennon....

http://www.metro.co.uk/sport/867489-aaron-lennon-targeted-for-spurs-to-liverpool-transfer

as well as Chris Brunt....

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/724753-liverpool-fc-herderson-brunt-young-and-bojan-in-transfer-rumors/entry/91662-chris-brunt-another-liverpool-target

So 10 out of 15 aint bad especially when you consider that Davies is 34 and hardly ripe for a transfer and it would be a bit of a surprise if Liverpool joined the race for Modric. Of course rather than concluding that one has picked the secret about how LFC are picking their transfer targets, it is infinitely more likely that when a player is possibly for sale, the press naturally assumes that Liverpool are the buying because his name is on the list.

Edited June 26, 2011 by Abrak

[carmine]

I thought it was quite funny that after showing a chart with premiership players who had created the most chances in the league and that Liverpool were extremely interested in the majority of the players.....

Charlie Adam, Ashley Young, Jordan Henderson, Joey Barton. Stuart Downing, N'Zogbia and Leighton Baines. That makes 7 out of 15.

Since then stories have come out with Liverpool being linked to three more.....

Liverpool keen on Malouda....

http://www.liverpool...keen-on-malouda

And apparently on Aaron Lennon....

http://www.metro.co....erpool-transfer

as well as Chris Brunt....

http://bleacherrepor...iverpool-target

So 10 out of 15 aint bad especially when you consider that Davies is 34 and hardly ripe for a transfer and it would be a bit of a surprise if Liverpool joined the race for Modric. Of course rather than concluding that one has picked the secret about how LFC are picking their transfer targets, it is infinitely more likely that when a player is possibly for sale, the press naturally assumes that Liverpool are the buying because his name is on the list.

You really are starting to over reach now in the quest to identify the genius that is the oily little Comolli. I can assure you, its simply read the papers at who everybody else is looking at and when the bidding starts just offer a stupid amount and as soon as the guy has a half decent game launch into a campaign of self promotion.

When it starts to go wrong he will seek to pin the blame on Dalglish, who is far from stupid though, and i bet watching him like a hawk. Just a very Tottenham viewpoint i know, but, time will tell.

[Abrak]

I liked this article about the use of statistics in football or individual footballers. It is not a big personal interest of mine preferring to use macro rather than micro analysis....

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/9471db52-97bb-11e0-9c37-00144feab49a.html#axzz1Pd78IO00

I also thought they missed the point that with modern technology you can get real time data information and then see which players are beginning to perform badly on the pitch at any given time.

[Abrak]

Seems an awful lot of fuss being made about Meireles. He supposedly wants an improved contract and given that he has played ok why not? But if he his worth 14m now, imagine you upped his contract to 80k a week for 4 years by the end of which he would practically be worth less. Ultimately you cash him in or else he costs you 80k a week in wages and 70k a week additional in lost transfer fees over 4 years.

Geez I could hire the entire of Patpong for that sort of money and I guarantee I would score more than Meireles.

[Lotusbluete]

Hallo fans and friends of the Reds,

I just heard that Liverpool might be interested in "trouble boy" Diego from German club Wolfsburg. It seems Liverpool’s director of football Damien Comolli is a big fan of him. And Diego himself is quoted as saying that it is his dream to play in the Premier League.

Any news on that?

[Abrak]

John Henry has been making some tweets......

Basically....

1) Our acquisitions will not include players over a certain age

2) We will not make short term decisions and will stick with our long term plan

3) Those expecting large big name signings may well be disappointed

4) All sports assets are basically overvalued now. And the cost of winning especially so.

5) It is often the overvalued assets that you miss that can be your best decisions

I dont know why he suddenly tweeted the world

It maybe that some people are frustrated that there has been so little progress in buying players that we really need or maybe he is warning that he will not spend big as people think if prices are too high. I do think Kenny will get the players he needs. It is quite fundamental to what Henry once said which is that you need to overpay for holes in your team (or else you dont have a team). If Wenger cant find a decent goalkeeper at the right price he doesnt buy one.

I would suggest that the overall tone is that he isnt going to go all out to qualify for CL by bringing expensive stars. There is an expectation amongst many LFC supporters that we will definitely qualify for CL next season. I find it difficult to imagine which of the top 4 we are going to beat.

[smokie36]

John Henry has been making some tweets......

Basically....

1) Our acquisitions will not include players over a certain age

2) We will not make short term decisions and will stick with our long term plan

3) Those expecting large big name signings may well be disappointed

4) All sports assets are basically overvalued now. And the cost of winning especially so.

5) It is often the overvalued assets that you miss that can be your best decisions

I dont know why he suddenly tweeted the world

It maybe that some people are frustrated that there has been so little progress in buying players that we really need or maybe he is warning that he will not spend big as people think if prices are too high. I do think Kenny will get the players he needs. It is quite fundamental to what Henry once said which is that you need to overpay for holes in your team (or else you dont have a team). If Wenger cant find a decent goalkeeper at the right price he doesnt buy one.

I would suggest that the overall tone is that he isnt going to go all out to qualify for CL by bringing expensive stars. There is an expectation amongst many LFC supporters that we will definitely qualify for CL next season. I find it difficult to imagine which of the top 4 we are going to beat.

There are 5 teams above you!

[mrbojangles]

I find it difficult to imagine which of the top 4 we are going to beat.

There are 5 teams above you!

Sometimes he gets so submurged in the detail of the stats, he forgets the most basic ones.

[Abrak]

There are 5 teams above you!

Beating Spurs is a sort of consolation prize if we achieve it.

I still dont see how we are going to beat any one of the top 4 all of which beat us by 10 points last year and are spending a fortune on their teams.

I think our best hope is that Wenger has a mental breakdown and we beat Arsenal but it would be the first time they have come out of the top 4 in 15 years or so. It would be fun to watch. Guess number two is that AVB causes a massive sulk in the Chelsea team. Then Abromavich intervenes and it all goes pear shaped.

[smokie36]

There are 5 teams above you!

Beating Spurs is a sort of consolation prize if we achieve it.

I still dont see how we are going to beat any one of the top 4 all of which beat us by 10 points last year and are spending a fortune on their teams.

I think our best hope is that Wenger has a mental breakdown and we beat Arsenal but it would be the first time they have come out of the top 4 in 15 years or so. It would be fun to watch. Guess number two is that AVB causes a massive sulk in the Chelsea team. Then Abromavich intervenes and it all goes pear shaped.

Your best hope is that your key players stay fit. A big ask for the likes of Gerrard....but then you'll benefit from no European games as well. Still think your side is mostly cack though.

[carmine]

There are 5 teams above you!

Beating Spurs is a sort of consolation prize if we achieve it.

I still dont see how we are going to beat any one of the top 4 all of which beat us by 10 points last year and are spending a fortune on their teams.

I think our best hope is that Wenger has a mental breakdown and we beat Arsenal but it would be the first time they have come out of the top 4 in 15 years or so. It would be fun to watch. Guess number two is that AVB causes a massive sulk in the Chelsea team. Then Abromavich intervenes and it all goes pear shaped.

I think you'll find you lot have spent over 70m on players in a relatively short period of time so theres no reason to whine. LFC are also in the big spender category (even though you were our bitches at Anfield if you remember )

How would you feel if your teams only activity was getting a soon to be 42 year old keeper on a free?

[scousemouse]

Hi lads scousemouse is back in Bangkok :-)

first off I've missed the thaivisa footie banter and can't wait to get back in to it , second good luck to Sammy Lee in your future en devours , third methinks good times are ahead with Steve Clarke and Kenny and fourth its good to be back :-).

[rott]

Hi lads scousemouse is back in Bangkok :-)

first off I've missed the thaivisa footie banter and can't wait to get back in to it , second good luck to Sammy Lee in your future en devours , third methinks good times are ahead with Steve Clarke and Kenny and fourth its good to be back :-).

I was wondering what had happened to you, so welcome back to TV even if you do talk the usual kopite f...ing drivel, and I hope you are aware that to be comfortable on here now you will need to be fully au fait with current trends in sabermetrics.

And <deleted> are ''en devours'', typical kopite, bet you're a f...ing English teacher too.

[rixalex]

first off I've missed the thaivisa footie banter and can't wait to get back in to it , second good luck to Sammy Lee in your future en devours ,

Funny. I expected you guys to be sending Sammy on his way with more of a kick up the backside than a pat on the back.

He seems to have flown under the radar in terms of shouldering blame for large recent periods.

[StevieH]

first off I've missed the thaivisa footie banter and can't wait to get back in to it , second good luck to Sammy Lee in your future en devours ,

Funny. I expected you guys to be sending Sammy on his way with more of a kick up the backside than a pat on the back.

He seems to have flown under the radar in terms of shouldering blame for large recent periods.

loved sammy lee as a player but have never had a clue what he does as a coach / assistant. wish him lots of luck (not that much luck if he's working for fathead allardyce) but i don't think we'll miss him.

[BIGTOE3]

Hi lads scousemouse is back in Bangkok :-)

first off I've missed the thaivisa footie banter and can't wait to get back in to it , second good luck to Sammy Lee in your future en devours , third methinks good times are ahead with Steve Clarke and Kenny and fourth its good to be back :-).

Welcome back Scouse, I will not be back until 29th August so hope to meet up after that.

BT

[kopite]

Good to see you back in here scousemouse!

[scousemouse]

Hi lads scousemouse is back in Bangkok :-)

first off I've missed the thaivisa footie banter and can't wait to get back in to it , second good luck to Sammy Lee in your future en devours , third methinks good times are ahead with Steve Clarke and Kenny and fourth its good to be back :-).

I was wondering what had happened to you, so welcome back to TV even if you do talk the usual kopite f...ing drivel, and I hope you are aware that to be comfortable on here now you will need to be fully au fait with current trends in sabermetrics.

And <deleted> are ''en devours'', typical kopite, bet you're a f...ing English teacher too.

Don't know you. Go and learn what en devours means , I can teach you if you want , and I'm well up to date yank .