Woolwich Attack: ' Soldier Beheaded' By Ranting Fanatics On Busy London Street

uptheos · May 27, 2013

Allahu Akbar” - God is Great

i think this means our god is greatest, Allah Akbar is god is great.

Whichever, but still sounds like a suspected radical Islamist attack by radical fanatics as stated by the OP

OzMick · May 27, 2013

Have you read the Bible? There's lots of nasty bits in there too.

Does this mean that Christians are dedicated to killing unbelievers?

Of course it doesn't!

Taking bits out of context to support your argument only shows your desperation.

You make a good point, unwittingly. Both books are full of archaic concepts, exhortations to violence and are often self-contradictory. The problem comes when people fail to recognise this and delude themselves that these are the unalterable and infallible expressions of an all-powerful mythical being, and use this to justify carring out acts which any moral code should find repulsive.

Edited May 27, 2013 by OzMick

samran · May 27, 2013

The courts and the justice system are there to punish offenders AFTER they have offended. The courts are powerless to prevent the offences happening, that is the remit of effective, objective, unbiased policing and Government policies to enable such Policing. If the majority of a population who are terrorised do not believe that effective law enforcement is taking place or that the Government is woefully neglectful in it's duties then what do you think is going to happen. The truth is that had effective, honest and fair legislation been in place, then Lee Rigby would be at home with his family, because Choudary and all his hate mongering followers would either be in jail or 'returned to sender'.

I beleive that the security services work to prevent many of these incidents before they even occur, and we will never know about them. Hate speech, or whatever you want to call it, is never acceptable. But it presents a condunrum. Smarter people than you or I are struggling with how you shut a bloke like that down without trampling on the rights of every other law abiding person in society to have their voice. It is an easy and slipperly slope from outlawing your Chodury's of the world to clamping down on normal dissident voices - a la Thailand for instance.

If you have an answer to that one you are a better man than I.

Well, I am sorry but I win then. Hate speech is well defined, in fact an 85 year old woman and many young people have been arrested over the last few days for speaking or tweeting what is defined as hateful speech. All that is required is that the same standard is applied to everyone, including MUslims and then those radicals that are found in breech of the hatred laws would be arrested and dealt with accordingly. This really is not rocket science. This is caused by politicians wanting to secure the votes of 3 million people who are known to be over sensitive and volatile when it comes to any form of criticism of their life style or doctrine. The issue that I think Cameron is perhaps starting to realise is that you can now secure 3 million votes but lose 20 million votes if the present policies remain adhered to. So really, the answer and the implementation of that answer is really simple and it does not breech European Law, it simply sets the same standard across society with NO exceptions.

Can you explain to me what you mean by "over sensitive and volatile when it comes to any form of criticism of their life style or doctrine."? I'd be interested in examples of what you think is a valid form of criticism where overly sensitive offense was taken. I'm not sure governments should be telling people on how they live their lives, but obviously you seem to indicate that they should? I for one would be outraged in a government came in and told me how to live my life.

Maybe I've read your post the wrong way.

Edited May 27, 2013 by samran

Scott · May 27, 2013

More off-topic posts deleted, as well as replies.

GentlemanJim · May 27, 2013

The courts and the justice system are there to punish offenders AFTER they have offended. The courts are powerless to prevent the offences happening, that is the remit of effective, objective, unbiased policing and Government policies to enable such Policing. If the majority of a population who are terrorised do not believe that effective law enforcement is taking place or that the Government is woefully neglectful in it's duties then what do you think is going to happen. The truth is that had effective, honest and fair legislation been in place, then Lee Rigby would be at home with his family, because Choudary and all his hate mongering followers would either be in jail or 'returned to sender'.

I beleive that the security services work to prevent many of these incidents before they even occur, and we will never know about them. Hate speech, or whatever you want to call it, is never acceptable. But it presents a condunrum. Smarter people than you or I are struggling with how you shut a bloke like that down without trampling on the rights of every other law abiding person in society to have their voice. It is an easy and slipperly slope from outlawing your Chodury's of the world to clamping down on normal dissident voices - a la Thailand for instance.

If you have an answer to that one you are a better man than I.

Well, I am sorry but I win then. Hate speech is well defined, in fact an 85 year old woman and many young people have been arrested over the last few days for speaking or tweeting what is defined as hateful speech. All that is required is that the same standard is applied to everyone, including MUslims and then those radicals that are found in breech of the hatred laws would be arrested and dealt with accordingly. This really is not rocket science. This is caused by politicians wanting to secure the votes of 3 million people who are known to be over sensitive and volatile when it comes to any form of criticism of their life style or doctrine. The issue that I think Cameron is perhaps starting to realise is that you can now secure 3 million votes but lose 20 million votes if the present policies remain adhered to. So really, the answer and the implementation of that answer is really simple and it does not breech European Law, it simply sets the same standard across society with NO exceptions.

Can you explain to me what you mean by "over sensitive and volatile when it comes to any form of criticism of their life style or doctrine."? I'd be interested in examples of what you think is a valid form of criticism where overly sensitive offense was taken. I'm not sure governments should be telling people on how they live their lives, but obviously you seem to indicate that they should? I for one would be outraged in a government came in and told me how to live my life.

Maybe I've read your post the wrong way.

Removal of the face veil on a Burka for identification and security purposes......Lifestyle.

Drawing Cartoons of Mohammed.....Doctrine.

You are aware of the reaction to either, and that reaction would display people that are over sensitive and volatile.

We already positively discriminate. No nativity plays for children, Calling Christmas the 'Holiday Season', some companies banning workers from having lunch or a coffee at their desk during Ramadan so that Muslims are not offended. Need I go on, there are many many more examples. You mentioned a 'slippery slope' before well yes, we are on one, but not the one you think and we have gathered up much speed.

Our tolerance of the intolerant started with small, tiny things like I have mentioned above, and in the truest sense of the word, if you give some people an inch, they will take a yard and the radicals push and push as far as they can and then cry foul 'racist' when anyone dares speak back. Our overly liberal pink and fluffy Governance has also been a contributor to the death of Lee Rigby. The Government's created the perfect conditions, and all we did as a population was moan and grumble to ourselves and each other as our social liberties were removed but the anti-social actions of a minority were supported. Well Lee Rigby will be remembered, because his death has awakened the people and things have changed. If nothing else at the moment, people have made themselves acutely aware of what radical Islam is and who the main players are in the UK.

Social networking and youtube has been inundated with people wanting to know more. People who had never really heard of Choudary know all about him now and the Government will have no choice but to act. The people of the UK, I believe are now on the tipping point and will no longer tolerate the intolerant., so it is best that the Government handle the situation in an efficient, orderly, lawful manner or people will do it for them. In the latter situation the sad thing is that it will not just be the deserved radical Muslims that are targeted, there will be many good Muslim British Citizens who are wrongly targeted. The ball is firmly in the court of the Government and you nor anybody else should blame the people for their anger because many people just don't know better, they just understand this as a problem with all Muslims because they see ALL Muslims as being responsible for the banning of nativity plays for example, and other relatively minor impositions etc etc. So when the murderers of Lee Rigby start mouthing off on video then it all becomes simple association - oooh it's those Muslims again!. BUT the Government and the Police know EXACTLY where the problem lies, so they have the opportunity to fix that problem or they will end up with two problems. One of the problems is simple but uncomfortable for them to fix, but if they ignore it the other problem will grow rapidly and malignantly into nationwide civil disorder and many many more innocents will be hurt or killed.

It is the tail wagging the dog to even attempt education at a time like this by the Government announcing 'it's not all Muslims blah blah' (as you are also doing to an extent, albeit I understand why). If it is not all Muslims and it is just radical Muslims then we should all unite, including the Muslim community and get rid of every single radical, not just talk about it. Once that is done and there was no more trouble, then the people will see 'ah, the normal Muslims are an OK bunch, lets all live together and get on with life'. It's easy, there just needs to be a will to do it, and Lee Rigby will be the catalyst.

Edited May 27, 2013 by GentlemanJim

Ace of Pop · May 27, 2013

I must admit being an Outsider, i find it hard to understand why the British arrest an Old Lady,and some hotheads for causing unrest, yet the Mouthy Islam Clerics spout vile hatred openly an get away with it.Perhaps the Latin Blood in me makes me want to see action Today and reasoning be dammed.!! I can also see why the Brit Patriots here are getting angry with the appeasers.

simple1 · May 27, 2013

I must admit being an Outsider, i find it hard to understand why the British arrest an Old Lady,and some hotheads for causing unrest, yet the Mouthy Islam Clerics spout vile hatred openly an get away with it.Perhaps the Latin Blood in me makes me want to see action Today and reasoning be dammed.!! I can also see why the Brit Patriots here are getting angry with the appeasers.

To date there have been numerous court cases against radicals, some of them have failed to obtain a conviction. HMG has now established a taskforce, albeit belatedly, to review policies to tackle extremists in the U.K. One of the actions will be to review existing laws and if necessary update them to provide the necessary legislation for law enforcement agencies. To take action outside of the legal process would be counterproductive.

I would guess that the arrest of the Old Lady and others would have only happened if they ignored instructions to move on or were engaged in civil disorder. In the immediate aftermath emotions were very high and law enforcement would have had to take action, permitted by law, to stamp out any potential for escalation of civil disorder such as riots, hate based attacks and so on.

BTW take a look at a convoluted process over many years to try & deport just one radical Islamist preacher in the UK.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-17769990

Edited May 27, 2013 by simple1

Ace of Pop · May 27, 2013

I must admit being an Outsider, i find it hard to understand why the British arrest an Old Lady,and some hotheads for causing unrest, yet the Mouthy Islam Clerics spout vile hatred openly an get away with it.Perhaps the Latin Blood in me makes me want to see action Today and reasoning be dammed.!! I can also see why the Brit Patriots here are getting angry with the appeasers.

To date there have been numerous court cases against radicals, some of them have failed to obtain a conviction. HMG has now established a taskforce, albeit belatedly, to review policies to tackle extremists in the U.K. One of the actions will be to review existing laws and if necessary update them to provide the necessary legislation for law enforcement agencies. To take action outside of the legal process would be counterproductive.

I would guess that the arrest of the Old Lady and others would have only happened if they ignored instructions to move on or were engaged in civil disorder. In the immediate aftermath emotions were very high and law enforcement would have had to take action, permitted by law, to stamp out any potential for escalation of civil disorder such as riots, hate based attacks and so on.

BTW take a look at a convoluted process over many years to try & deport just one radical Islamist preacher in the UK.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-17769990

Asked to Move On.?. Don't they ask the Islamic Anti Brit Protesters to move on then. Or would they Scream Racist, and sue your Police.Just doesn't seem fair to me.Our Police belt anybody who doesn't fit in with the Portuguese way of life, regardless of Color, Religion, or Creed. You have had a Man Murdered ,yet you still wimp abuut being fair to the Unfair.

transam · May 27, 2013

sms747 · May 27, 2013

does anyone have a link to the old lady being arrested? it does not seem to appear in the uk web press sites

Steely Dan · May 27, 2013

I must admit being an Outsider, i find it hard to understand why the British arrest an Old Lady,and some hotheads for causing unrest, yet the Mouthy Islam Clerics spout vile hatred openly an get away with it.Perhaps the Latin Blood in me makes me want to see action Today and reasoning be dammed.!! I can also see why the Brit Patriots here are getting angry with the appeasers.

To date there have been numerous court cases against radicals, some of them have failed to obtain a conviction. HMG has now established a taskforce, albeit belatedly, to review policies to tackle extremists in the U.K. One of the actions will be to review existing laws and if necessary update them to provide the necessary legislation for law enforcement agencies. To take action outside of the legal process would be counterproductive.

I would guess that the arrest of the Old Lady and others would have only happened if they ignored instructions to move on or were engaged in civil disorder. In the immediate aftermath emotions were very high and law enforcement would have had to take action, permitted by law, to stamp out any potential for escalation of civil disorder such as riots, hate based attacks and so on.

BTW take a look at a convoluted process over many years to try & deport just one radical Islamist preacher in the UK.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-17769990

Let it be remembered it was only a soldier being decapitated in broad daylight that brought belated (promises of) action from the government. Their statements have been almost comically naive about the nature of the threat faced. Just supposing they do get up to speed concerning the sort of legislation needed I suspect they would be overruled by E.U law, all the more reason imho to vote UKIP as I suspect they would have the will to be proactive instead of being forced into doing something by events.

simple1 · May 27, 2013

I must admit being an Outsider, i find it hard to understand why the British arrest an Old Lady,and some hotheads for causing unrest, yet the Mouthy Islam Clerics spout vile hatred openly an get away with it.Perhaps the Latin Blood in me makes me want to see action Today and reasoning be dammed.!! I can also see why the Brit Patriots here are getting angry with the appeasers.

To date there have been numerous court cases against radicals, some of them have failed to obtain a conviction. HMG has now established a taskforce, albeit belatedly, to review policies to tackle extremists in the U.K. One of the actions will be to review existing laws and if necessary update them to provide the necessary legislation for law enforcement agencies. To take action outside of the legal process would be counterproductive.

I would guess that the arrest of the Old Lady and others would have only happened if they ignored instructions to move on or were engaged in civil disorder. In the immediate aftermath emotions were very high and law enforcement would have had to take action, permitted by law, to stamp out any potential for escalation of civil disorder such as riots, hate based attacks and so on.

BTW take a look at a convoluted process over many years to try & deport just one radical Islamist preacher in the UK.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-17769990

Asked to Move On.?. Don't they ask the Islamic Anti Brit Protesters to move on then. Or would they Scream Racist, and sue your Police.Just doesn't seem fair to me.Our Police belt anybody who doesn't fit in with the Portuguese way of life, regardless of Color, Religion, or Creed. You have had a Man Murdered ,yet you still wimp abuut being fair to the Unfair.

Read again. I do not wimp on about being "fair to the unfair". You are happy to live in Portugal where police unlawfully assault citizens? I would call that a heading down a facist path and that's not a situation I wish to see in the UK

Mosha · May 27, 2013

does anyone have a link to the old lady being arrested? it does not seem to appear in the uk web press sites

Google lady 85 handcuffs. It does seem to have disappeared from mainstream media though.

Kentonline

http://www.kentonline.co.uk/medway_messenger/news/Friday-prayers-patrol-1128/

Edited May 27, 2013 by Mosha

sms747 · May 27, 2013

good article by Melanie Phillips author of Londonistan, the best book ever about Islamification of the UK:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2331368/Until-leaders-admit-true-nature-Islamic-extremism-defeat-it.html

lemoncake · May 27, 2013

Ulysses G., on 27 May 2013 - 07:36, said:

lemoncake, on 27 May 2013 - 02:35, said:

I still do not believe it was Islamist related, only because MO just does not fit.

There is now a copy cat in France, which they also try to link to Islamist attack.

I am by no means defending Islamists , however it's not their MO. Aim is always to kill as many as possible , not just 1 person

Al Queda has been telling its supporters to do small strikes like this for some time, because there have been so many failures with larger operations. It still gets the headlines and scares the public, which is the point of terrorism. The murderers were yelling Allah-u-Akbar and went on to explain that they were killing this soldier because Muslims were being bombed in Afganistan. There is no doubt at all that these two savages were Islamic radicals.

May well be true, but what is your explanation for apologizing to by standers?

I would have thought, if they were radical Islamists, they would have threatened the by standers or warned them of the same thing happening to them instead of apologizing.

sms747 · May 27, 2013

May well be true, but what is your explanation for apologizing to by standers?

I would have thought, if they were radical Islamists, they would have threatened the by standers or warned them of the same thing happening to them instead of apologizing.

Did they aplogise? I thought they just tried to justify what they had done and said the koran made them do it

lemoncake · May 27, 2013

Ulysses G., on 27 May 2013 - 08:54, said:

simple1, on 27 May 2013 - 08:40, said:

Ulysses G., on 27 May 2013 - 07:36, said:

lemoncake, on 27 May 2013 - 02:35, said:

I still do not believe it was Islamist related, only because MO just does not fit.

There is now a copy cat in France, which they also try to link to Islamist attack.

I am by no means defending Islamists , however it's not their MO. Aim is always to kill as many as possible , not just 1 person

Al Queda has been telling its supporters to do small strikes like this for some time, because there have been so many failures with larger operations. It still gets the headlines and scares the public, which is the point of terrorism. The murderers were yelling Allah-u-Akbar and went on to explain that they were killing this soldier because Muslims were being bombed in Afganistan. There is no doubt at all that these two savages were Islamic radicals.

Could be wrong, but I don't believe thier have been any post in this topic claiming the murder was not carried out by two Istamic extremists.

The post that I quoted claimed that the killing of the British soldier was caused by drugs - that the killing was not " Islamist related."

Ulysses, i do not claim anything, was just an observation. In video he has all the signs of being on drugs. If he was radical Islamist it would also be against Islam to take drugs.

This is my only observation

lemoncake · May 27, 2013

May well be true, but what is your explanation for apologizing to by standers?
I would have thought, if they were radical Islamists, they would have threatened the by standers or warned them of the same thing happening to them instead of apologizing.

Did they aplogise? I thought they just tried to justify what they had done and said the koran made them do it

In the first video i posted, he said he was sorry others had to see it, but it had to be done(or something like that)

Ace of Pop · May 27, 2013

I must admit being an Outsider, i find it hard to understand why the British arrest an Old Lady,and some hotheads for causing unrest, yet the Mouthy Islam Clerics spout vile hatred openly an get away with it.Perhaps the Latin Blood in me makes me want to see action Today and reasoning be dammed.!! I can also see why the Brit Patriots here are getting angry with the appeasers.

To date there have been numerous court cases against radicals, some of them have failed to obtain a conviction. HMG has now established a taskforce, albeit belatedly, to review policies to tackle extremists in the U.K. One of the actions will be to review existing laws and if necessary update them to provide the necessary legislation for law enforcement agencies. To take action outside of the legal process would be counterproductive.

I would guess that the arrest of the Old Lady and others would have only happened if they ignored instructions to move on or were engaged in civil disorder. In the immediate aftermath emotions were very high and law enforcement would have had to take action, permitted by law, to stamp out any potential for escalation of civil disorder such as riots, hate based attacks and so on.

BTW take a look at a convoluted process over many years to try & deport just one radical Islamist preacher in the UK.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-17769990

Asked to Move On.?. Don't they ask the Islamic Anti Brit Protesters to move on then. Or would they Scream Racist, and sue your Police.Just doesn't seem fair to me.Our Police belt anybody who doesn't fit in with the Portuguese way of life, regardless of Color, Religion, or Creed. You have had a Man Murdered ,yet you still wimp abuut being fair to the Unfair.

Read again. I do not wimp on about being "fair to the unfair". You are happy to live in Portugal where police unlawfully assault citizens? I would call that a heading down a facist path and that's not a situation I wish to see in the UK

Whatever, but i can walk down a Portuguese Path without being attacked by an African with a Meat Cleaver.Why do You Consider discipline, an pride in ones Nation as fascism.Was your great Sir Winston racist for his views.

Mosha · May 27, 2013

good article by Melanie Phillips author of Londonistan, the best book ever about Islamification of the UK:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2331368/Until-leaders-admit-true-nature-Islamic-extremism-defeat-it.html

There is an e-book by a guy named Danny Lockwood. He is a record points scorer in the British Amateur Rugby League, and one time editor of The Dewsbury Reporter.

http://www.newenglishreview.org/Esmerelda_Weatherwax/The_Islamic_Republic_of_Dewsbury_-_Danny_Lockwood/

Some of the events mentioned in the review I recall very well. They were quite a few problems with The Scarborough pub. The muslims excuse was they didn't want a pub in their area. The real reason was the landlord refused to serve them, as was his right in those days. So they went drinking to a pub just down the road.

Edited May 27, 2013 by Mosha

7by7 · May 27, 2013

After watching those two video clips by the 2 imans for the first time, condemning the murder of Lee Rigby,

i can understand why some people on this forum are referring to them as being a cover up, or

a show to appease the media, or an unmeaning full statement, or bunch of two faced liars.

The reason i say this is because neither of them referred to Lee Rigby by his name as a human being,

instead they referred to him as the "victim" the "soldier and his family and colleagues"

That to me, shows disrespect to Lee Rigby and his family.

Why is it that both separate statements were made in the same manner?

At the time those videos were made, the name of the victim had not been made public.

They did not know his name.

Radar501 · May 27, 2013

WOW!!

This thread is only four days old with well over 1,000 posts already. MOST of the posts are united in condemning this atrocious act, yet some of the arguments have still managed to be poles apart and become rather heated (and plenty of posts removed by mods).

Can you only imagine the blood that would be flowing on a similar thread if there was an Islam website forum. No doubt this savage murder could be the spark that ignites the highly flammable and compressed emotions of some young Muslim men.

Dangerous times ahead maybe.

7by7 · May 27, 2013

Again, 7by7 said this,

"Well, i for one do not think this attack had anything to do with Islam or anything else but drugs.

Looking at the video, and his manner, i believe he was coming down off drugs either speed or ecstasy."

So the behind the scenes morons who have also been arrested for conspiracy to murder were on drugs as well?? Or did they drug these creeps so they'd go and murder a man walking down the street??

Do not be an apologist for these people.

I did not say that.

nontabury · May 27, 2013

Over the last few years I've read a fair amount of articles regarding the English Defense league,they all gave me the impression that this is a racist/fascist organization supported by skinhead idiots. Now after reading a few articles by the leader of the EDL, Tommy Robinson,and also having watched a few videos of him he seems to be anything but a racist/ fascist, he's very articulated

seems he only wants for the different communities to get along peacefully,including Muslims. What he seems to be against, is the turning over of our country to the Islamic extremist. Am I correct in my reappraisal Of what the EDL now stands for, and if so, why were they getting bad press.

TexasRanger · May 27, 2013

Over the last few years I've read a fair amount of articles regarding the English Defense league,they all gave me the impression that this is a racist/fascist organization supported by skinhead idiots. Now after reading a few articles by the leader of the EDL, Tommy Robinson,and also having watched a few videos of him he seems to be anything but a racist/ fascist, he's very articulated

seems he only wants for the different communities to get along peacefully,including Muslims. What he seems to be against, is the turning over of our country to the Islamic extremist. Am I correct in my reappraisal Of what the EDL now stands for, and if so, why were they getting bad press.

Not really sure either, i took an interest in them when they first formed but distanced myself as there seemed to be a heavy football hooligan presence, wether or not that is still the case remains to be seen.

7by7 · May 27, 2013

And some of the twisters of the truth (you know who you are) have spent many hours on this thread attempting to whitewash the perpetraters of this evil act ........

I have not seen one single post or comment in this thread, or anywhere on ThaiVisa, which in any way makes any attempt to whitewash this evil act or those who committed it.

Can you link to one of the post to which you refer?

Mosha · May 27, 2013

Again, 7by7 said this,

"Well, i for one do not think this attack had anything to do with Islam or anything else but drugs.

Looking at the video, and his manner, i believe he was coming down off drugs either speed or ecstasy."

So the behind the scenes morons who have also been arrested for conspiracy to murder were on drugs as well?? Or did they drug these creeps so they'd go and murder a man walking down the street??

Do not be an apologist for these people.

>Again, 7by7 said this,

"Well, i for one do not think this attack had anything to do with Islam or anything else but drugs.

Looking at the video, and his manner, i believe he was coming down off drugs either speed or ecstasy."

So the behind the scenes morons who have also been arrested for conspiracy to murder were on drugs as well?? Or did they drug these creeps so they'd go and murder a man walking down the street??

Do not be an apologist for these people.

I did not say that.

Try Lemoncake

transam · May 27, 2013

And some of the twisters of the truth (you know who you are) have spent many hours on this thread attempting to whitewash the perpetraters of this evil act ........

I have not seen one single post or comment in this thread, or anywhere on ThaiVisa, which in any way makes any attempt to whitewash this evil act or those who committed it.

Can you link to one of the post to which you refer?

Rumpole · May 27, 2013

It seems the people to whom it is not obvious are the apologists and politicians. They play the racism card first off, when faced with what could be termed criticism at worst, but it's OK for idiots like choudary to preach hate, and nothing is done. See Chooka's comment above. The low life scum choudary applauded it, said it was for allah, and it didn't go far enough. Why do we tolerate this??? That is not freedom of speech.

Indeed. If Orwellian 'hate speech' laws are to be applied, they should be applied with equal vigour to all sections of the community. And therein lies the problem; for the most part they are not. Young men and women are arrested for posting anti-Muslim comments on social networking sites, and an 85 year old lady is carted off in handcuffs for telling a few Muslims to go home. Choudary is however allowed to spout his hatred and bile on prime-time television and nothing is done, for fear of upsetting the oh-so-volatile sensibilities of the general Islamic population. Little wonder then that people are losing faith in the criminal justice system and the mainstream politicians who are supposed to oversea its application.

Edited May 27, 2013 by Rumpole

7by7 · May 27, 2013

7by7:

Majic,

I have never read the Koran, I have never claimed to have done; I doubt that you have either.

Thank you admitting you do not know what you are talking about, many HAVE read the koran I suggest you do also

As said many times;

I have read as much of the Koran as you have.
Every comment on this horrific murder by those who represent the majority of British Muslims say that it has nothing to do with the teachings of Islam and the thugs who committed it do not represent them or their views.
Earlier in this thread are some informative posts from someone who, unlike you and me, actually has studied the Koran; go back and read them.

Criticise and disagree with what I say by all means. Unlike you and so many other contributors to this thread I allow others to hold a different opinion to mine. But before you do, do yourself a favour and actually read all that I have posted first.

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