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[kkerry]

Is there a source which documents all the foreign murder? If it was started today and we took a look back in a year's time, I'm sure it would already be quite a substantial compilation.. Of course the embassies and consulates of respected nations know this already, so why aren't they doing more to protect the citizens of their homelands?

Seems to be a lot of foreigners getting murdered by Thais but the other way round doesn't occur very often.

Edited July 31, 2013 by kkerry

[monkeycountry]

As has been said so many times before (by me :-), foreigners should stay away from nighttime entertainment venues frequented by Thai men.

[monkeycountry]

Is there a source which documents all the foreign murder? If it was started today and we took a look back in a year's time, I'm sure it would already be quite a substantial compilation.. Of course the embassies and consulates of respected nations know this already, so why aren't they doing more to protect the citizens of their homelands?

Seems to be a lot of foreigners getting murdered by Thais but the other way round doesn't occur very often.

Because most foreigners have the ability to argue and/or fight without having to kill their opponent. Unfortunately many Thai men do not have that ability.

Edited July 31, 2013 by monkeycountry

[oldsailor35]

The 3 Thais left the bar and went outside, where one of them accidentially discovered a piece of metal and another had a knife. When the 2 Americans left there was an altercation.................sounds more like an ambush to me

[Soi Sauce]

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/657506-beyond-khaosan-will-thailands-push-for-high-value-tourists-finally-pay-off/

Nuff said.

In yer dreams Thailand.

Wanna taxi, wanna jetski, want clean beaches? etstera etsteara as a banned film said.

Wher you gonna go.

Up-market. You joke.

[rubberduck]

<deleted> is wrong with Krabi ?

http://youtu.be/GRErWjo809g

[oldsailor35]

I have one rule which i strictly follow. Never ever go into a bar used by Thais, no matter what, because there will be one for sure that has a knife or a gun and when a Thai gets drunk anything can happen.

[Sailingbum1]

This kind of stuff happens all around the world, everyday and Thailand is not even closed to leading the pack.

No fighting in pubs in the UK. Ever been to Ireland? It's a national pasttime. And they take it wherever they go. Good fun!!

You add the alcohol and you throw in the improbability factor. everywhere. (Nick named the "demen Rum)". Add an overbearing ego and your spinning into the sun with that individual's drunken insanity leading the parade and the fun is over.

. Yesterday, In Ft Lauderdale two huge bouncers (add steroids too) just beat the crap out of two guys for returning a drink to the bar. Cops arrested the bloody broken vitcims of course but a video was taken showing an unprovoked, defensless ass kicking by the bouncers.as the guys tried to leave. asian looking guy. Possibly Thai, took the video.

Typical police work here.

Everywhere I have ever lived a certain majority of the ex-pats who left their country and choose" to live in their" new paradise"usually for the LBFM's and constant party. Then they Gripe, and Piss and Moan about the locals whose country they invaded and the political situation and how the people the came to exploit are exploiting them. Yet they stay for the LBFM's .

Some folks will never be happy no matter where they go because they always pack themselves. And,. No matter where you go. There YOU ARE seeing your reflection and attitudes no matter how far you go. Must be that other guys fault cause look, he's worse the me. Right?? No??? Maybe???____ Not!.

[wellred]

What a silly thing to die over. I never go to any bars frequented by Thai men. They are unable to bottle their emotions and often resort to violence.

[BuddyPinkham]

Police said the three musicians were arrested at the scene and confessed to stabbing the Americans.

And will be told, NO DON'T DO THAT AGAIN! GO MAKE GOOD AT THE TEMPLE AND YOU CAN GO FREE! I am really thinking strongly of leaving this county and find somewhere that is not quite so insane!

[yooyoo]

This is INSANE ..... NO MERCY for those Thai jerks ... how can you kill for such infantile thing ... I guess they have nothing in the brain to react like this.

And there lies the question that folk must keep in mind. Forget the land of smiles, remember a different culture that takes a long time to take on board.

Welcome to the land of smiles... Thais think they can do anything to a foreigner and get away with it .. and in most cases they do.. while most of them make a living out of the tourist trade which is the biggest contributor to the economy...

[yooyoo]

This kind of stuff happens all around the world, everyday and Thailand is not even closed to leading the pack.

No fighting in pubs in the UK. Ever been to Ireland? It's a national pasttime. And they take it wherever they go. Good fun!!

You add the alcohol and you throw in the improbability factor. everywhere. (Nick named the "demen Rum)". Add an overbearing ego and your spinning into the sun with that individual's drunken insanity leading the parade and the fun is over.

. Yesterday, In Ft Lauderdale two huge bouncers (add steroids too) just beat the crap out of two guys for returning a drink to the bar. Cops arrested the bloody broken vitcims of course but a video was taken showing an unprovoked, defensless ass kicking by the bouncers.as the guys tried to leave. asian looking guy. Possibly Thai, took the video.

Typical police work here.

Everywhere I have ever lived a certain majority of the ex-pats who left their country and choose" to live in their" new paradise"usually for the LBFM's and constant party. Then they Gripe, and Piss and Moan about the locals whose country they invaded and the political situation and how the people the came to exploit are exploiting them. Yet they stay for the LBFM's .

Some folks will never be happy no matter where they go because they always pack themselves. And,. No matter where you go. There YOU ARE seeing your reflection and attitudes no matter how far you go. Must be that other guys fault cause look, he's worse the me. Right?? No??? Maybe???____ Not!.

Without the invasion of the tourists the Thai economy will be very poor.. ..

[Whidbeyboy]

Tragic outcome - when people behave like annoying , aggressive jerks ( ie by not getting off a stage), you have to figure that eventually they will get pay back ( but nonetheless, death is too much!)

People travel to Thailand to have fun and get a bit crazy. Especially in a bar. People who do what they did are not being jerks, they are having a great time that will be fun memories when they remember what a great time they had.

Being killed for acting like they did is unreal. If they were that bad police could have been notified and the situation fixed.

Killing your customers is bad business.

[briboy]

EVIL MEN FROM KRABI

Another feather in the cap for KRABI TOURISM where you get raped fro havin dinner with a guy and killed for singing Karaoke

Nice place

It's astonishing the way people LEAP to distort things without any concern for facts, as long as it serves to support their basic outlook: nothing in the article suggest that anyone was killed for singing karaoke. (And unfortunately it is hardly an exclusively Thai thing for people to be raped after having dinner with someone - or to be killed in a fight outside a bar, for that matter).

can you believe that I was told once that it might even be known to happen in Western country`s, I find it hard to believe, it seems hard to see when your head is buried in the sand.....

[sniffdog]

In happier times (first and second males from the left).

[wellred]

Apparently they took their tips back from the jar when they left.

[Payboy]

because the pair apparently refused to stop singing when their time was up

So, the "threw a coffee cup at me" excuse was already taken?

[ajarnpot]

a different culture, a different response to ignorance and brusqueness this sort of story should be posted on us embassy advice to tourists to not just treat every where like an extension of home town. Krabi is not new york, and not us.

[diehard60]

Well I guess this is another place to add to my list of places not to visit in Thailand, along with Puket and Pataya. It looks like they all have become trash places now. It is a shame because I remember Pataya as being very comforting. At that time there were no mafias there. Of course this was 40 years ago.

[louse1953]

The minority of Thais will only be crazy because you make them crazy with your ignorance of their ways in their country.Alcohol certainly doesn't help.

You mean everyone should treat Thais like spolit, petulent, jealous little children, lest they get upset and go 'crazy'?

Treat every situation on its merits.If the locals show signs of going off,exit,stage right.If you can't back yourself up,be prepared for the consequences,you have had plenty of warnings.

They sound like quite a pathetic little people, from your description.

Are you sure? The TAT broucher is very different. They're all calm and smiling and buddhist.

Not pathetic at all.They stand up when ignorant,arrogant boorish people step all over them,something they probably wouldn't do in their own country.Maybe other farangs should step in before things turn sour,but we all know these type of people are not good listeners.

[kocheedogyi]

Who knows what happened? An American, drunk, with his son in Thailand. I can’t imagine he wasn’t arrogent and brought shit down on himself.

[irishsmile]

Very sad story and I really do feel for the relatives of the deceased but..... Before making judgement ....... Let's all just try to picture the scene.... In any country it would more than likely have the same outcome because of one simple reason..... ALCOHOL..... So sad....

[SteeleJoe]

This is INSANE ..... NO MERCY for those Thai jerks ... how can you kill for such infantile thing ... I guess they have nothing in the brain to react like this.

And there lies the question that folk must keep in mind. Forget the land of smiles, remember a different culture that takes a long time to take on board.

Welcome to the land of smiles... Thais think they can do anything to a foreigner and get away with it .. and in most cases they do.. while most of them make a living out of the tourist trade which is the biggest contributor to the economy...

Another one who thinks foreigners are more important than they actually are: most Thais don't ever consider foreigners and those rare ones who assault a foreigner don't do it because they think they can get away with it, they do it because they have issues and/ or the circumstances they and the foreigner(s) are in.

On what do you base your assertion on the economic contribution of tourists? The fact that you are casually certain most Thais earn a living from tourism says a lot.

[webfact]

Foreigner stabbed to death after Krabi bar row
The Nation

KRABI: -- Police have arrested three Thai musicians who allegedly stabbed an American man to death and severely wounded his son after an argument in a bar in Krabi's Muang district early Wednesday morning.

The two were rushed to Bangkok Hospital Phuket after the 3am attack in Tambon Ao Nang. Bobby Carter sustained a fatal knife wound to the stomach, while his son Adam, 27, was severely beaten.

Police later arrested Ratikorn Romin, 27, Sathit Somsa, 40 and Noppanan Yoddecha, 26. According to police, the two tourists and family members visited the Little Longhorn Saloon, where the father and son joined the musicians on stage for a jam session. Carter senior apparently refused to leave the stage at the end of session, leading to an argument with the musicians.

The deceased also reportedly knocked the musicians’ tip box to the floor. The three musicians apparently sat outside the bar and another argument broke out when the group emerged from the bar before the musicians reportedly killed the man and injured his son.


-- The Nation 2013-08-01

[SteeleJoe]

Whidbeyboy wrote:

ExpatJ wrote:

Tragic outcome - when people behave like annoying , aggressive jerks ( ie by not getting off a stage), you have to figure that eventually they will get pay back ( but nonetheless, death is too much!)

People travel to Thailand to have fun and get a bit crazy. Especially in a bar. People who do what they did are not being jerks, they are having a great time that will be fun memories when they remember what a great time they had.

Being killed for acting like they did is unreal. If they were that bad police could have been notified and the situation fixed.

Killing your customers is bad business.

First of all, your position is absurdly biased and unrealistic - just because someone is holiday, obnoxious behavior isn't obnoxious because "they are having a great time that will be fun memories when they remember what a great time they had"? Ridiculous. I won't even bother to comment further on that.

They were allegedly hurt and killed in a fight. Said fight was supposed to have occurred afterwards. It is not at all clear that they were injured / killed for the way they were acting in the bar rather than the injuries occurring as a result of a fight that escalated later, in which the original behavior was a contributing factor but not the exclusive one.

People keep oversimplifying this in a way that puts the Thais in the worst possible light and diminishes or dismisses any possible wrongdoing on the part of the foreigners. I have no trouble at all with the idea that the Thais are entirely to blame or with the obvious conclusion that the foreigners almost certainly didn't deserve to be so badly hurt, but let's stick with the facts as we know them - they are bad enough.

Edited August 1, 2013 by SteeleJoe

[slipperylobster]

So tell me, why are these bars opened ? I will post why they open, my thought, to earn money FROM holidaymakers or resident farangs, and of course locals if they have the cash. Opening an establishment such as this comes with the drawbacks. If you want to make money from booze then one must accept what goes with booze, and we all know what that is. A guy gets cut up cos he's a bit pissed and dies, very sad, yet folk here talk as though folk must not get drunk in a Thai bar and accept the knife. Nooooooooooooooooo .

Exactly. Thailand actually promotes hard drinking and it is readily accessible. Entire "districts" in Bangkok,Pattaya, Bangla, Ao Nang, etc., are reserved for drinking. Look at the Full Moon Parties. These are not the same establishments as you would find in the small neighborhood towns of rural England, Australia, Canada, USA or Europe. With all these venues available, you would think that bars would have the responsibility to "maintain decorum". Unruly guests should, by all means, be escorted out, and, hopefully, taken to their hotel. You have a mixed bag here...different cultures interacting...but like the post above said, training for the staff and musicians in a bar where this interaction takes place should be a no brainer. Obviously, these people drank too much. There comes a time when management must cut them off, and, if necessary, get them out.

[SteeleJoe]

EVIL MEN FROM KRABI

Another feather in the cap for KRABI TOURISM where you get raped fro havin dinner with a guy and killed for singing Karaoke

Nice place

It's astonishing the way people LEAP to distort things without any concern for facts, as long as it serves to support their basic outlook: nothing in the article suggest that anyone was killed for singing karaoke. (And unfortunately it is hardly an exclusively Thai thing for people to be raped after having dinner with someone - or to be killed in a fight outside a bar, for that matter).

can you believe that I was told once that it might even be known to happen in Western country`s, I find it hard to believe, it seems hard to see when your head is buried in the sand.....

No. People are never beaten, stabbed or killed outside bars in western countries.

Coincidentally, as a 14yo boy my best friend and I got permission to leave school every day to watch a trial for a project we were doing. With the help of a bailiff we picked an exciting one - a guy had been beaten to death outside a bar in a nice upper middle class Southern California town.

But that was probably the first and last time such a killing took place in the US...

[webfact]

Thai musicians arrested for murder of American tourist
Phuket Gazette


One of the suspects (right) arrested at the bar in Krabi early this morning. Photo: Kritsada Mueanhawong

KRABI: -- Three Thai musicians have been arrested for the murder of 51-year-old American tourist Bobby Ray Carter Jr and the assault of his 27-year-old son in Krabi early this morning.

According to one of the suspects, Ratikorn Romin, 27, from Phang Nga, a fight broke out between the three musicians and the Americans, who had joined them on-stage last night at Ao Nang’s Longhorn Saloon Bar, before the evening took a deadly turn.

The police were called to the scene at about 1:30am and were confronted with the aftermath of a night of drinking and live music gone horribly wrong.

“We rushed to the scene and found blood splattered in front of the bar. We were told that two injured men had been taken to Krabi Hospital before we arrived,” Krabi City Police officer Sanya Kaewnui explained.

“Mr Bobby Carter had been stabbed in the chest and his son, Adam, suffered bad head injuries. At the hospital, doctors tried to save Mr Carter’s life, but it was too late,” Lt Sanya said.

Adam Carter and the body of his father were transferred to Bangkok Hospital Phuket.

“We arrested three men at the bar: Ratikorn Romin, 27, from Phang Nga; Sathid Somsa, 40, from Bangkok; and Nopanan Yoddecha, 26, from Krabi.

“We also seized a homemade gun. They were all charged with assault and murder,” Lt Sanya said.

“Mr Sathid was also charged with possession of an illegal firearm. The three suspects are now in custody at the police station,” he added.

In his statement to police, Mr Ratikorn said, “We accept that we attacked them, but we didn’t intend to kill anyone. The father and son came to the pub and they joined us singing on the stage.

“Then we had an argument with them because they refused to stop singing when the time was up. The father knocked our tip-box to the floor. We left the stage and sat [outside] in front of the bar,” Mr Ratikorn said.

“After a while they came outside and started another argument with us. The father knocked me to the ground first, and I could not breathe because he was sitting on my chest.

“Then I spotted a sharp piece of metal nearby, so I grabbed it and stabbed him,” Mr Ratikorn said.

Source: http://www.phuketgazette.net/phuket_news/2013/Thai-musicians-arrested-for-murder-of-American-tourist-21823.html


-- Phuket Gazette 2013-08-01

[bkkfaranguy]

One really doesn't know who was to blame , but killing someone is going a bit far .

I dare say the Americans had had a few drinks and were in the party spirit .

My experience of Americans is that they can be very loud , arrogant and overbearing .

They may indeed have brought this on themselves .

Same can be said of Brits and almost any nationality except the Dutch these people are total angels.

There are actually surveys that have been done in regards to the rudist tourist when they are outside there own country, Americans rank 5TH behind French #1, Austrailians #2, Brits #3, and Russians #4. RIP

[ChrisB87]

Crazy, i wonder how long they will get.