hermespan Posted August 25, 2013 Share Posted August 25, 2013 Just a catchy title. This is not my situation but a hypothetical... Imagine the following... 1. A person is a citizen of a major western world nation that has cushy relations with Thailand 2. He has a valid passport good for more than six months and has a some unused pages 3. The passport is in very poor physical shape. 4. Thailand will NOT renew the long term stay visa, telling him he must first get a new passport. 5. The passport department of his citizenship is telling him that in his *unique situation and history* they will not issue a new passport in BKK. He must go home and apply there. 6. He has commitments in the region and needs to travel to a neighbouring nation and return a week later. Will the airline check him in? Will Thailand let him out? Will another SEA nation let him in? Will Thailand let him back in? What would a betting man wager? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrtmedic Posted August 25, 2013 Share Posted August 25, 2013 (edited) You need an "emergency travel document" available from your embassy and good for a one way ticket home! Edited August 25, 2013 by jrtmedic 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post AnotherOneAmerican Posted August 25, 2013 Popular Post Share Posted August 25, 2013 Unpaid child support and alimony is a pain in the USA. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrtmedic Posted August 25, 2013 Share Posted August 25, 2013 AnotherOneAmerican Will "they" be waiting , with the handcuffs, when our mystery person lands in his country of origin ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phuketrichard Posted August 25, 2013 Share Posted August 25, 2013 Unpaid child support and alimony is a pain in the USA. yep an no more passports issued to u until u return to the states If Thailand wont renew his long term visa i doubt they would allow him back in. as to another country, wont know until u try BUT as u need to leave Thailand before u can try and enter another country u might end up in NO mans land Bearing that go to the Cambodian or laos or... embassy in Bangkok and see if they will issue a visa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrtmedic Posted August 25, 2013 Share Posted August 25, 2013 phuketrichard If, as is suggested, the passport is "defaced" it will be not be accepted anywhere for anything ! So very limited options ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colabamumbai Posted August 25, 2013 Share Posted August 25, 2013 "With his unique situation and history." How many times has he reported, lost, stolen or damaged passport before? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hermespan Posted August 25, 2013 Author Share Posted August 25, 2013 No or presumanly not... - child support or alimony issue - arrest warrant - convicted felon - sex crime suspect or a witness to a crime under investigation - has reported lost or stolen passport before Unknown - what precisely is the reason he doesn't want to go back to the nation-state that claims its octopus tentacles over wherever its citizens are including almost deserted islands. I truly don't know. It could be he just prefers life in Thailand, doesn't like being told what to do, doesn't like answering to bureacrats thousands of miles away, or is simply busy. Maybe it's taxes not filed. I would only be speculating. But in any case he us not a 'person of interest' to any authority than the world's policeman. Maybe. He's not dirty. He just has a very poor condition passport. All the necessary biodata is legible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrtmedic Posted August 25, 2013 Share Posted August 25, 2013 A passport in a "poor" condition is useless ! As has been discovered Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moe666 Posted August 25, 2013 Share Posted August 25, 2013 Just go home and get it over with, if we want to travel the world we are at the mercies of the people who decide when, where and how long. Not liking those people or the conditions doesn't change anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moe666 Posted August 25, 2013 Share Posted August 25, 2013 heheheh well get over it if we want to travel there are a few things we have to do to keep a few paper pushers happy, that means keeping our passport in good shape. Just go home take care of your problems and then come back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scorecard Posted August 25, 2013 Share Posted August 25, 2013 You need an "emergency travel document" available from your embassy and good for a one way ticket home! But if the 'person' has unresolved issues at home it's quite possible his embassy will only issue travel documentation to get him 'home', and nowhere else. The neighbor of a friend in Pattaya went to the US embassy in Bkk a couple of years back to renew his passport which was about to expire. The US embassy response was to refuse renewal of his passport and advise him the only travel document they would issue would be to the US and to a specific city (I don't know which one), they also made it very clear that the police would be waiting to arrest him on arrival. Bottom line, the guy then quickly disappeared from the house he was renting and never seen again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrtmedic Posted August 25, 2013 Share Posted August 25, 2013 A travel document, provided in the circumstances described , is usually one way ----------home ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hermespan Posted August 25, 2013 Author Share Posted August 25, 2013 Let me be clear on this - I have no reason to believe the person whose passport needs to be replaced has any criminal past or present. If I understood correctly he is on some blacklist of some sort (shit list, no fly list. shit attracts flies list I don't know). So, when he tried to renew it his Embassy told him that he would have to go home to do it, presumably on his current piece of toilet paper duration of validity not yet expired yet one. So, imagine you are Australian or from some other overseas bully nation and you have no desire to go 'home'. But you don't have the funds to get an investment citizenship in Uruguay. You don't have the time to convert to Judaism and get that pariah passport. You just want to be left alone and continue to sojourn in Asia. But your passport is not so presentable? And 'your' gov't is not being co-operative. What to do? BTW, on a related note, as an anarchist I oppose the very existence of passports, the coercive power of the state, and its assumption of the monopoly on violence that is its foundation. My passport reads that it isn't my own property so I travel at the mercy of Big Brother. But the legitimacy of the State is not the subject of thus thread. I'll leave that to a more philosophical one on the writings of Emma Goldman and Albert J. Knock, anarco-syndicalists and anarco-capitalists perhaps respectively. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lemoncake Posted August 25, 2013 Share Posted August 25, 2013 (edited) Let me be clear on this - I have no reason to believe the person whose passport needs to be replaced has any criminal past or present. If I understood correctly he is on some blacklist of some sort (shit list, no fly list. shit attracts flies list I don't know). So, when he tried to renew it his Embassy told him that he would have to go home to do it, presumably on his current piece of toilet paper duration of validity not yet expired yet one. So, imagine you are Australian or from some other overseas bully nation and you have no desire to go 'home'. But you don't have the funds to get an investment citizenship in Uruguay. You don't have the time to convert to Judaism and get that pariah passport. You just want to be left alone and continue to sojourn in Asia. But your passport is not so presentable? And 'your' gov't is not being co-operative. What to do? BTW, on a related note, as an anarchist I oppose the very existence of passports, the coercive power of the state, and its assumption of the monopoly on violence that is its foundation. My passport reads that it isn't my own property so I travel at the mercy of Big Brother. But the legitimacy of the State is not the subject of thus thread. I'll leave that to a more philosophical one on the writings of Emma Goldman and Albert J. Knock, anarco-syndicalists and anarco-capitalists perhaps respectively. So just to confirm, no funds for Uruguay and no time to convert to Judaism?(though unsure why you believe converting to Judaism would entitle you to an Israeli passport) but have funds and time to stay in Asia? Why do not you tell your friend to come back to reality and stop being an anarchist, go back home, face the music or simply keep quite and become an over stay visa violator and when arrested can present to judge your views on the matter Edited August 25, 2013 by lemoncake 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrtmedic Posted August 25, 2013 Share Posted August 25, 2013 (edited) What do you do ? You accept the generous offer of your home State who will give you a travel permit and to go home ! BTW I wish you well in your desire to change the world ! Maybe someone will facilitate your travel to Siberia ! Edited August 25, 2013 by jrtmedic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hermespan Posted August 25, 2013 Author Share Posted August 25, 2013 You are confusing my anarchist principles with his being the holder of a crappy passport and perhaps having issues back home. Two different persons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hermespan Posted August 25, 2013 Author Share Posted August 25, 2013 jrtmedic wrote: "Maybe someone will facilitate your travel to Siberia ! " Firstly, l don't take anarchist political theory entirely seriously as on an anarchist commune it's hard to get good Chinese take-out, but I am fed up with monopoly capitalism, that!s for sure. In your jest you spoke a kind of truth. When the Bolsheviks of the revolutionary Soviet Union took power entirely from a coalition of socialists. anarchists and classical liberals, their opponents were not usually sent to Siberia. They were shot. What is the best way to prevent being shot? Perhaps is not being trackable and being armed. I am not talking about aggression, only defence against the violence by the state: its imprisonment, fines, seizure of travel documents etc. I say the police and other armed agents of the state (including Immigration officers) are no different morally than terrorists.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hermespan Posted August 25, 2013 Author Share Posted August 25, 2013 But I prefer to live on the run or at least living as an expat overseas, than confront the state. I enjoy life too much to waste it tilting at windmills. As long as if keeps its hands out of my wallet and out of my pants I simply ignore it. The person with the passport problem is apolitical, at least publically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrtmedic Posted August 25, 2013 Share Posted August 25, 2013 If by "living on the run" you mean abusing immigration and other such irritating "rules" you may end in a world of trouble ! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lopburi3 Posted August 26, 2013 Share Posted August 26, 2013 As this has gone to illegal activity is ends now. Sent from my i-mobile i-note WIFI3 using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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