Non Imm O Multi Refused at KL

[Maestro]

I don't actually agree at all with the last comment , why you the male expat should be the main provider and only possible provider for being able to extend a marriage visa . I've got the feeling that morals from Thailand's lawmakers are still in the stone-ages ,except of course upping the requirement levels .

There are many capable Thai females taking care of Expat families ,it's a shame how things turn out even after years of marriage and kids .

Recently I've had some bad luck and already know I'll not be able to extend my extension next year , my options are getting smaller and smaller ,

very depressing really .

Let's be clear about this:

1. The non-O visa is not given to support a Thai spouse or child. It is for for the purpose of travelling to Thailand to visit said relative.
2. The marriage extension and parent extension are not given to support a Thai spouse or child. They are given for the reason of living with said relative.

[ubonjoe]

Yes

There have been no reports of any changes there.

 

Think I'd prefer a report of no changes rather than no report of any changes

 

But seriously UJ, when was the last report of no changes? i.e. no financial requirement and an overnight turnaround or better. Would welcome seeing someone's visa run report for a one year multi non-O.

 

I do trust Thai banks to a point and have plenty of money in typically 2.9% Thai savings accounts that allow two penalty free withdrawals a month, which allow me to fund self + family by bulk transfer to wife's account from time to time. Would this type of account be allowable evidence for the 400k requirement if i am forced away from non-O and into a marriage extension? Guess i could check that out myself with Sisaket immigration if I have to finish my non-O existence here before Christmas.

 

I note your comment UJ that an extension is a more appropriate visa than multi non-O. For those of us who travel regularly from our home countries I don't think that is right. Don't assume that all of us non-Oers are just cheap charlies who can't afford to be here in the 1st place. That visa was initially designed for those of us who support from abroad rather than live here full time and there should hopefully be a place for it long term (along with the requirement to show that one is actually providing substantive support - I agree with that, provided they don't require the money to be coralled in one type of uneconomic account just to suit their bureaucratic ease).

 

Keep up the good work !!

See this report from late last month: http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/670823-visa-run-report-savanakhet-sept-19-26-2013/#entry6867224

As long as your account allows you to easily make withdrawals and balance is above 400K for 60 days it should be accepted with letter from bank.

If traveling a lot and travel would make it difficult to get annual extensions then a multiple entry visa is the best option.

I don't assume everybody is a cheap charlie. In fact I have supported people getting multiple entry visas if they can't meet the excessive financial requirements for an extension. But when you see a report where somebody has the money in the bank and are still applying for a multiple entry visa I can not understand the reasoning.

There are also many that give their reason for getting a visa instead of an extension is because they don't want to deal with immigration. This is bogus reason to me. I just completed my 6th extension based upon marriage and believe that it is not a problem at all.

[ross163103]

I've also done this same visa at KL for many years with no problems. I work a timeon/time off schedule and was just wondering if a letter stating that I work offshore and need to enter and leave Thailand frequently would help; or is it closed to disussion? I remember about a month ago a poster said once he convinced the staff that he neded to go in and out of Thailand frequently they gave him the multi entry. Maybe it's changed for good now and it's no longer available?

[ubonjoe]

I wouldn't even bother with KL. Savannakhet Laos and Penang are still doing them.

[asiaexpat]

Hi there guys.

Have also the bigger problems as I are Swedish citizen, married in Thailand since 5 -6 year, and live with the same woman for 16 year.

Have NO 400 000 THB to deposite.

How in the hexx should I do this O visa applications in Sweden ?

Are retired with a LOW Swedish pension, as I have lived and working outside Sweden for more than 20 year.

Maybe now it,s time for Western countries to make the same problems for Thai citizen ????

It,s a shame of the The CORRUPTED Thai Govenments to do this and make it, harder for us, who care about our BELOVED family in Thailand!!!

TIME TO STOP TO ACCEPT ALL NEW REGULATIONS FROM THAI IMMIGRATION !

WHAT WILL HAPPENS NEXT ????

IT,s better the Thai governments ask for all our money, and say " stay home in your homecountries !"

I agree with you! If you can not afford the minimum savings in the bank or have sufficient pension to meet the immigration requirements, stay home in Sweden.

[diggledunc]

I wouldn't even bother with KL. Savannakhet Laos and Penang are still doing them.

Just to clarify if I could as I am trying to help a friend. Savannakhet, Laos and Penang are giving multi entry O but Vientiane isn't. I heard at Vientiane you can only get single entry O. I assume this applies to single foreigners or have I got the wrong end of the stick.

Thanks.

[ubonjoe]

I wouldn't even bother with KL. Savannakhet Laos and Penang are still doing them.

Just to clarify if I could as I am trying to help a friend. Savannakhet, Laos and Penang are giving multi entry O but Vientiane isn't. I heard at Vientiane you can only get single entry O. I assume this applies to single foreigners or have I got the wrong end of the stick.

Thanks.

For a single person who is 50 or over you can get a single entry non-o visa at any nearby embassy or consulate. But not a multiple entry anywhere.

[Maestro]

I've also done this same visa at KL for many years with no problems. I work a timeon/time off schedule and was just wondering if a letter stating that I work offshore and need to enter and leave Thailand frequently would help; or is it closed to disussion? I remember about a month ago a poster said once he convinced the staff that he neded to go in and out of Thailand frequently they gave him the multi entry. Maybe it's changed for good now and it's no longer available?

If Kuala Lumpur is a lot more convenient for you because of the travel route to and from your place of work outside Thailand, a letter from your employer is worth trying. Have the letter addressed to His Excellency the Consul. If you can't get it from your employer, get it from you wife, in Thai. For good measure you can, if you wish, add a covering letter of your own explaining why you are applying at KL and not at any other consulate that may be closer to your place of work (if that is the case). Anything in writing goes on file at the consulate and a consul would think twice before refusing a visa to an applicant who is so clearly qualified for it.

[jauntyjohn]

Savannakhet ask for financial proof for a non o, at least they asked me.

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[Maestro]

What document did the Thai consulate in Savannakhet ask from you regarding financial proof?

[puchooay]

So the next question. It appears that most consulates are offering single entry O visas with no financial requirements.

So how many in a row are they likely to offer?

[IMA_FARANG]

I've also done this same visa at KL for many years with no problems. I work a timeon/time off schedule and was just wondering if a letter stating that I work offshore and need to enter and leave Thailand frequently would help; or is it closed to disussion? I remember about a month ago a poster said once he convinced the staff that he neded to go in and out of Thailand frequently they gave him the multi entry. Maybe it's changed for good now and it's no longer available?

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If you work a work schedule that :

• takes you in and out of Thailand
• you're married to a Thai with a family ( "long stay alien")
• and on a work schedule (X weeks on and X weeks off)

Then the best fit with the visa and long stay rules is to:

• do a marriage extension (a so-called marriage visa) by meeting the financial requirements (400K funds)
• that extension is good for one year
• at the same time get a multi exit (and re-entry .... but I just got criticized for calling it this) permit
• that permit costs 3800 baht and is good for the period of the marriage extension you get (one year)
• that permit allows you multiple exits and re-entries from and back into Thailand

The effective result is that you can stay in Thailand "long term stay" living with your wife. Yow will need to do 90 day reporting for any periods you do stay in Thailand for longer than 90 days at your local Thai immigration office.

For those times when your work schedule doesn't let you stay longer than 90 days that multi exit and re-entry permit will allow to leave on your work schedule and re-enter when you are off work. each time you re-enter Thailand your 90 day "reporting clock" will be restarted .... because of that permit you paid 3800 baht for.

I know that's not the best fit with what you want, but it's the best possible fit with the rules we all have to live by as foreigners in Thailand.

I did something similar for nearly 30 years while living in Thailand and working outside of Thailand. So I know it's possible.

You can do the same thing.

In 2010 I finally "retired" and now live "long term stay" in Thailand as a retiree.

I had to learn to live within the rules to stay legal, and so can, and hopefully will, you.

There are legal ways to do it, just be smarter than the rules .... it's not ''rocket science"

[ubonjoe]

Savannakhet ask for financial proof for a non o, at least they asked me.

Sent from my LT15i using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app

Did you get it using the casino by chance.

Everybody that I can recall that were told they needed financials was using them.

[lopburi3]

Savannakhet ask for financial proof for a non o, at least they asked me.

Sent from my LT15i using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app

What was the reason for your visa request? And what kind of proof? When? Did you use an agent?

[ubonjoe]

I've also done this same visa at KL for many years with no problems. I work a timeon/time off schedule and was just wondering if a letter stating that I work offshore and need to enter and leave Thailand frequently would help; or is it closed to disussion? I remember about a month ago a poster said once he convinced the staff that he neded to go in and out of Thailand frequently they gave him the multi entry. Maybe it's changed for good now and it's no longer available?

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If you work a work schedule that :

• takes you in and out of Thailand
  
• you're married to a Thai with a family ( "long stay alien")
  
• and on a work schedule (X weeks on and X weeks off)
  

Then the best fit with the visa and long stay rules is to:

• do a marriage extension (a so-called marriage visa) by meeting the financial requirements (400K funds)
  
• that extension is good for one year
  
• at the same time get a multi exit (and re-entry .... but I just got criticized for calling it this) permit
  
• that permit costs 3800 baht and is good for the period of the marriage extension you get (one year)
  
• that permit allows you multiple exits and re-entries from and back into Thailand
  

The effective result is that you can stay in Thailand "long term stay" living with your wife. Yow will need to do 90 day reporting for any periods you do stay in Thailand for longer than 90 days at your local Thai immigration office.

For those times when your work schedule doesn't let you stay longer than 90 days that multi exit and re-entry permit will allow to leave on your work schedule and re-enter when you are off work. each time you re-enter Thailand your 90 day "reporting clock" will be restarted .... because of that permit you paid 3800 baht for.

I know that's not the best fit with what you want, but it's the best possible fit with the rules we all have to live by as foreigners in Thailand.

I did something similar for nearly 30 years while living in Thailand and working outside of Thailand. So I know it's possible.

You can do the same thing.

In 2010 I finally "retired" and now live "long term stay" in Thailand as a retiree.

I had to learn to live within the rules to stay legal, and so can, and hopefully will, you.

There are legal ways to do it, just be smarter than the rules .... it's not ''rocket science"

Of course you get corrected for calling a re-entry permit a exit re-entry permit because it is very wrong. You do not need a permit to leave the country. If you can find some kind of official info that says it is called that then please post it.

The problem for those working a rotation is being here for the extension renewal and in many cases being here long enough to get the first completed and subsequent ones.

For them being here long enough to get down to the last 30 days of their 90 day entry can also be a problem.

You forgot the 30 day wait while the extension is under consideration which will be longer at most immigration offices because they don't start the 30 days until the current permit to stay runs out. IE: if you do the extension 15 days early the wait will be 45 days.

Bringing in the 90 reports into the issue was not needed in this topic because it can just create more confusion and having a re-entry permit has nothing to do with them.

For most of those on a rotation a multiple entry visa is the only choice they have.

Edited October 11, 2013 by ubonjoe

[jonnyscot]

As joe has described, the problem with most offshore workers that work internationally then return to our wives and children in Thailand is the time required to be in country to make the extension,

[guzzi850m2]

I am also an off-shore worker and I will likely sign off my ship in Labuan in the end of this month and will fly home via KL for sure.

My non-o multi based on marriage is experied and I have done the yearly visa in Singapore for the last 3 years without any problems.

I have all the papers with me for a new non-o multi visa but since I read here that they won't be giving any multi visa's anymore, I wonder if I should just fly back to LOS and enter as tourist and then in 30 days time go to Savannakhet Laos and get a new non-o multi visa there?

I got my sea man's discharge book with me which proves that I am working 2 month followed by 2 month holidays.

I tried last time home to extend my multi-o visa but was told by the polite female immigration officer (Pattaya) that she is very sorry but you are too early for an extension and advised me to get a permanet residence permit or do the dreaded yearly multi visa somewhere outside Thailand.

Any advice welcome.

[ubonjoe]

Making a trip to Savannakhet would be the best choice. They are still doing the multiple entry O visas without proof of income.

If an additional 60 days would be enough you could also get a 60 day extension to visit your wife.

[lopburi3]

With two month rotation it should not be that much of a problem to extend - get a single entry non immigrant O visa just before your next 2 month work and make entry using that and immediately get a re-entry permit to allow return on that 90 day stay and when return immediately extend your stay. May not work every year but at least first year would be covered.

[guzzi850m2]

Making a trip to Savannakhet would be the best choice. They are still doing the multiple entry O visas without proof of income.

If an additional 60 days would be enough you could also get a 60 day extension to visit your wife.

OK thanks.

I live in Thailand, I have a yellow house book, I haven't been to Denmark for over 7 or 9 years, own nothing there.

I don't understand what you mean by extension? Still have to go to a Thai consulate/Embassy and get one?

I would prefer only to do this once a year and proof of income is not a problem.

It looks like Penang or Savannakhet is the best option for me, shit, well some visa agents in Pattaya can arrange this for sure.

I will fly to either place when the time comes, what a pain in the butt.

[lopburi3]

The 60 day extension could be done on any entry at immigration so if you enter on a 15 or 30 day you can extend with wife/marriage paperwork for 60 days at immigration. But it would require a trip to immigration each visit and some offices do not like to do often.

[guzzi850m2]

The 60 day extension could be done on any entry at immigration so if you enter on a 15 or 30 day you can extend with wife/marriage paperwork for 60 days at immigration. But it would require a trip to immigration each visit and some offices do not like to do often.

Ohh, I didn't know that.

Are you saying that when I enter Swampy airport immigration I can apply for an extension?

So I will not go direct to the immigration quoe but there must be an office where I can get a application form I will have to fill in first?

A trip to immigration Pattaya is not a big deal to me.

[thaiexpat21]

Extensions are not granted at border points. For what you require a visit to a local (Pattaya in your case?) immigration office is needed.

[Mario2008]

What is meant is that you can get a 60 day extension on any kind of entry into Thailand.

You must always apply at your own local immirgaiton area, within the last 30 days of your permission to stay. You can not get the extension at the airporrt.

[guzzi850m2]

Many thanks chaps, I will try that .

[tonyPhuket]

Not sure but dosen't the first Marriage visa have to have the money in the bank for 90 days. The extensions just 60 days?

In my circumstance, 60 days for first time, 90 days for extension. Quite confusing...

[ubonjoe]

For an extension based upon marriage it is always 60 days not 90. For retirement it is 60 days for the first extension and 90 thereafter.

[kratai57]

I just received my visa back from Canberra. I applied for a non O MULTI and I completed all due papper work for Thai Spouse visit. For information I am Married for 10 years and over 50 years.

I sent AUD$225. What I received was a non O SINGLE and cash change of AUD$135 and no explaination.

It appears to me as mentioned previous in this thread that embassies are no longer due to a policy change issuing multi non O any more.

I wonder why !! ??

If I only knew this I would not of bothered and only applied for a double tourist entry. As this would of suited my travel plans better.

As on this trip I will only stay 60 days. So having 3 months with a possible 2 months exstension is totaly wasted.

PS The moderator may want to start a Canberra thread with this.

[ubonjoe]

I just received my visa back from Canberra. I applied for a non O MULTI and I completed all due papper work for Thai Spouse visit. For information I am Married for 10 years and over 50 years.

I sent AUD$225. What I received was a non O SINGLE and cash change of AUD$135 and no explaination.

 

It appears to me as mentioned previous in this thread that embassies are no longer due to a policy change issuing multi non O any more.

 

I wonder why !! ??

 

If I only knew this I would not of bothered and only applied for a double tourist entry. As this would of suited my travel plans better.

As on this trip I will only stay 60 days. So having 3 months with a possible 2 months exstension is totaly wasted.

 

PS The moderator may want to start a Canberra thread with this.

 

 

Many now require financial proof to get multiple entries. Especially the embassies and official consulates like Sydney. Next time check with one of the honorary consulates such as Brisbane.

[ross163103]

Just thought I'd update this post with some info. I just got back from KL and was granted a one year non O multi entry based on marriage. For those not wanting to troll through this whole thread; the original poster was only issued a single entry even though he had all the required documentation.

I went to KL with all the required documentation and a bank account with 400,00 baht in a Thai bank. I also showed a bank account I use on a day to day basis which has a monthly deposit of 120,000 baht, but slowly dwindles down until the next check arrives. In the past they have never looked at this day to day account and have always just given me back the info; this time they kept the account details. Also, as the original poster stated they give all the info to a Thai man in the back and approx 1/2 hour later you get called back to the counter to receive your receipt. I think they are now checking whether all the info is valid--bear in mind this is only my opinion. In the past the lady at the front counter checked through all the info and made sure all was correct.

I was issued a multi entry with no problems, although the lady at the counter did question why I wanted a multi entry. I explained that I still worked and needed to leave/return to Thailand every 5 weeks. A few years back a friend of mine getting the same visa didn't have the letter from his wife asking for them to grant her husband the visa; he got lucky and they asked him to fax it to them when he got home instead of refusing the visa because he didn't have it. I always take more documents than needed because as stated on another forum; it's a long/expensive way to go if you're missing some piece of documentation they want.

I'm not sure why the original poster wasn't issued a multi instead of a single entry.