Thai govt warns of tough action if protests against amnesty bill escalate irrationally

[FangFerang]

It smells like rat salad, on all sides. For many, politics is a team sport. Please don't go there. You insult my intelligence, and make yourself look like a punter with half an idea.

[waza]

This smells like a civil war. I really hope I am wrong.

I have thought that a few times but it always ends the same way, just in differing in degrees. These events always end with Thaksin overplaying his hand and having to back down. His thugs will go to the streets and create some kaos, the BIB will come in and blow a few protestors legs off, again. But instead of smothering the sparks of this protest movement it will ignite a fire storm of Thai public indignation that will be displayed on the street, again. Paralysing the government and sending the Shinatra clan stampeding for the airport, bulging suitcases in hand, again. Then Thaksin will dissolve the government, we will have elections and it will start again.

Edited November 10, 2013 by waza

[AlphMichaels]

Have this sense that there is a real chance this could start to take on a look like 2010. Certainly hope not. Peaceful assemblies are difficult to maintain let alone control when there's so much passion on a given issue.

Hoping for cool heads and logic to prevail.

[eddie61]

And none of the above criticise the senate members for not turning up, facilitating continued protest and unrest.......tunnel vision at its best

I think that in a case such as this, absolutely all the senators should be there to cast a vote.

Given that by the very nature of their jobs they live in all provinces of the country, giving them a day's notice to be there was unprofessional as well as undemocratic.

Your post, therefore, is balderdash!

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"absolutely all senators there to cast a vote"

Right......and when you wake up how do you think in the bright light of the Thai day

You may also take into account it is reported that a group of 40 senators are said to have boycotted the debate, mentioning "outside person" was lobbying senators to bring forward the amnesty bill debate in a bid to put a quick end to the political protests

Rather suggests your post is embarrassing and my initial post rather more linked to reality

I think Thaksin's tentacles stretch to the Senate

[waza]

Have this sense that there is a real chance this could start to take on a look like 2010. Certainly hope not. Peaceful assemblies are difficult to maintain let alone control when there's so much passion on a given issue.

Hoping for cool heads and logic to prevail.

More like 2006, but without the coup.

[ridkun]

Of course they will exercise their full power, because they are too afraid that there will be a repeat of what they triggered themselves early 2010.

And I'm sure they are stupid enough to do that.

[ataloss]

Culicine #16 said, in part: 'Oh what a tangled web we weave, when we first practice to deceive.'

I think this saying for most of us should actually read: 'Oh what a tangled web we weave, when we first practice to conceive.

[marcusd]

Two quotes from "the other" newspaper today:

Red shirt "idol" (?) Arisman took to the stage, and called on the protesters to stop:

 . "If you do not stop, my group will stop you"

And

Pheu Thai list-MP and red shirt leader Cherdichai said: " If the antigovernment protests grew, a million  red-shirts would storm into Bangkok to support the government"

Makes the PM's words about, she is worried about the security of the protesters sound a little hollow, when she at the same time is organising "a mob for rent", which almost certainly is going to escalate the situation.

Judging by reports the ongoing antigovernment demonstration has be peaceful and within the law.

Sadly it seems like the red mob is going to change that.

I would like to see the PT-supporters here on Thaivisa, explain the above two statements by their idols!

reminds me of a Mel Brooks movie about a little man named Hitler. He also wanted "piece"... A little piece of this and that. Same with this ruthless mob

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[marcusd]

Thailand is not only deeply divided but seperated as well.

 

Bangkok = YELLOW

N+NE = RED

SOUTH = lawless

 

and the rest of the country is wondering when all this madness stops.

Ordinairy Thais don't give a hood about politics, free handouts and Rice=Rubber- coffee

 

"and the rest of the country is wondering when all this madness stops."

Probably when the instigator of all these problems, one Thaksin Shinawatra, ceases to exhale.

 

BTW, geographically, you seem to have missed out a large chunk of central and southeast Thailand. 

And, most importantly, there are large segments of the Thai population in the areas you cite, who are also very disillusioned with PTP and the state in which  they are leaving the Kingdom. 

Actually ordinary Thais do give a hoot about politics, that is why the huge crowds gathering in Bangkok are of serious concern to the PTP. Their red army will back them for sure, but if there's any bloodshed between the groups then there will be serious repercussions.

can I ask everyone here... Do you think this is heading for physical conflict within weeks?. Will there be violence?

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[hawker9000]

Just a hunch. I don't think it's over. I think they'll wait until the protests stop and then slip it in the back door in a few months. Maybe not...

My hunch as well. The continuing dribble over this suggests that the curtain really hasn't come down on the whole affair yet. It smells more like PTP is just trying to remove it from the spotlight long enough that the public interest wanes sufficiently that it might be quietly resurrected somehow. It's not in character for PTP to give up on something like this so precipitously.

[Valentine]

Just a hunch. I don't think it's over. I think they'll wait until the protests stop and then slip it in the back door in a few months. Maybe not...

My hunch as well. The continuing dribble over this suggests that the curtain really hasn't come down on the whole affair yet. It smells more like PTP is just trying to remove it from the spotlight long enough that the public interest wanes sufficiently that it might be quietly resurrected somehow. It's not in character for PTP to give up on something like this so precipitously.

YS has already stated they have a few more cards to play & I guess making a deal with Jatuporn & co who seem to have done an about turn from early last week to now bringing in mobs from up country is one of these cards. PTP want the bill to be rejected, they certainly do not want the senate to change it especially to a financial bill.

[MrSlatersParrot]

This was psoted in another thread 2 hours prior to the start of this thread

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/680347-thaksins-aide-noppadon-insists-no-crackdown-on-amnesty-protests/?p=7017809

I'm glad i don't live in Bangkok and don't have to be there in the near future. I have just stocked up on canned tuna

I've stocked up on canned tuna too but it's for the cats

[MrSlatersParrot]

Could it happen that the army stand behind the people and the police stand behind the government? That could lead to a very nasty situation. I don't believe Taksin has the army in his pocket. The army's loyalty lie elsewhere and with the people and that cannot be bought.

the army is divided we are told between the watermelons and the queens guard who are in charge.

Prayuth has been very quiet.

Behind the scenes there is a major power struggle taking place.

[Arkady]

the government has itself to blame. Deceitfully changed the bill utterly after first reading, then rushed through 2nd and 3rd readings together at 4.30am, as if they thought they could have their way while no one was looking. The executive branch which has control of the legislature pretends it knew nothing about it and it is all up to parliament, while clearly it was the architect of the entire strategy with help from the convicted felon in exile. Now the bill is likely to be rejected by the senate at the government's own instigation and will then sit in parliament giving off a foul stench like a festering turd for 180 days. So another 6 months of protests are needed to ensure they don't railroad it though. No one will believe their reassurances that they will let it rot away and why would they?

It's funny how the boot shifts to the other foot. Another time, another Vejajiva insisting that the government will get tough with protestors, knowing full well that would be the kiss of death for his government.

[Bpuumike]

At this point I think it's clear that the govt. is deliberately sending mixed messages about the protests.

Especially serious if Madam cannot go on a shopping trip

[siampolee]

Now according to then S.M.S. from ''The Nation'' received some 15 minutes since, the D.S.I. is threatening action if the protest carries on today as according to Tharit, that paragon truth, honesty, loyalty and decency (at the right price) the controversial bill has been withdrawn and all that needs to be done is for all those anti Amnesty bill/ anti government protesters is for them to go home.

Strangely enough though there was nor is any mention of the pro Amnesty / government protesters and the suggestion that they should return home as all is well and settled

One wonders why that is?

Indeed an unveiled threat to the anti bill anti government demonstrators along with democracy in general.

[ratcatcher]

And none of the above criticise the senate members for not turning up, facilitating continued protest and unrest.......tunnel vision at its best

Rank nonsense.

No a fair point.

Correct me if I am wrong please, but weren't the senators actually supposed to deliver a ruling on Monday November 11th, tomorrow?

The rush to push it through on Friday when there were insufficient senators available for a quorum backfired somewhat. Perhaps they could sense a bit of subterfuge?

The verdict of the senate will be delivered sometime Monday.

The verdict of the ICJ in The Hague will be delivered, I believe, sometime after 9pm local time Bangkok.

Most of the country will know the news by Tuesday noon.

[DtemJai]

“Welcome to the Republic of Thaksin.” You won’t see these words displayed in the customs hall when arriving in Thailand, but the Land of Smiles has indeed morphed into the land of Thaksin Shinawatra. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-11-07/thailand-s-big-brother-drama.html

[MaxLee]

Welcome to the Republic of Thaksin. You wont see these words displayed in the customs hall when arriving in Thailand, but the Land of Smiles has indeed morphed into the land of Thaksin Shinawatra. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-11-07/thailand-s-big-brother-drama.html

I think you mean the republic of "SHINA"...

[ratcatcher]

“Welcome to the Republic of Thaksin.” You won’t see these words displayed in the customs hall when arriving in Thailand, but the Land of Smiles has indeed morphed into the land of Thaksin Shinawatra. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-11-07/thailand-s-big-brother-drama.html

Thailand is a constitutional monarchy. I do not see Thaksin Shinawatra usurping the throne and installing himself as president or emperor.

The Kingdom of Thailand will exist long after the Shinawatras are gone. We have a military whose sworn duty is protecting the monarchy. Plus, the Thai people would never sit still for that.

But it makes for interesting reading etc.

Edited November 10, 2013 by ratcatcher

[ballpoint]

Welcome to the Republic of Thaksin. You wont see these words displayed in the customs hall when arriving in Thailand, but the Land of Smiles has indeed morphed into the land of Thaksin Shinawatra. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-11-07/thailand-s-big-brother-drama.html

I think you mean the republic of "SHINA"...

Please get it right. The Democratic Peaceful People's Republic of Shina.

[Thait Spot]

Now according to then S.M.S. from ''The Nation'' received some 15 minutes since,  the D.S.I. is threatening  action if the protest carries on today as according to Tharit,  that paragon  truth, honesty, loyalty and decency (at the right price) the controversial bill has been withdrawn and all that needs to be done is for all those anti Amnesty bill/ anti government protesters is for them to go home.

 

Strangely enough though there was nor is any mention of the pro Amnesty / government protesters and the suggestion that they should return home as all is well and settled

 

One wonders why that is?

 

Indeed an unveiled threat to the anti bill anti government demonstrators along with democracy in general.

 

 

 

Because the man is a monitor lizard

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[Lite Beer]

POLITICS
Pracha denies crackdown rumours
The Nation

BANGKOK: -- Deputy Prime Minister Pracha Promnok Sunday quashed all rumours that highlight a possible government crackdown on anti-government protesters.

Rebutting Democrat MP Suthep Thaugsuban’s saying that he is the target of a government sniper, Pracha insisted that under the democratic regime, no violence would be used against protesters.

"The previous government deployed real weapons, leaving 99 dead and over 2,000 wounded. This government upholds democracy and respects peaceful demonstration," he said.

He also denied the rumour that officers sneaked into protest sites with arms, saying that all officers are there to monitor the situation and stop the third party.

On the throwing of small objects into a Government House’s police booth, he attributed it to a third party.

Referring to the banner "tear gas area" on Makkhawan Bridge, he said these banners are to warn all not to enter as the area is covered by the Internal Security Act. Under the international law, tear gas can be deployed against those making an illegal entry.

Asked about the possibility of a military coup, he said the Supreme Commander has said all along that there would be no coup

-- The Nation 2013-11-10

[JRSoul]

Now according to then S.M.S. from ''The Nation'' received some 15 minutes since, the D.S.I. is threatening action if the protest carries on today as according to Tharit, that paragon truth, honesty, loyalty and decency (at the right price) the controversial bill has been withdrawn and all that needs to be done is for all those anti Amnesty bill/ anti government protesters is for them to go home.

Strangely enough though there was nor is any mention of the pro Amnesty / government protesters and the suggestion that they should return home as all is well and settled

One wonders why that is?

Indeed an unveiled threat to the anti bill anti government demonstrators along with democracy in general.

Because the man is a monitor lizard

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Careful there. Or you will be sued for defamation by the powerful Reptiles Union.

Edited November 10, 2013 by JRSoul

[MaxLee]

Welcome to the Republic of Thaksin. You wont see these words displayed in the customs hall when arriving in Thailand, but the Land of Smiles has indeed morphed into the land of Thaksin Shinawatra. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-11-07/thailand-s-big-brother-drama.html

I think you mean the republic of "SHINA"...

Please get it right. The Democratic Peaceful People's Republic of Shina.

Wrong, the "BRAINWASHED and dictatorship ruled republic of SHINA" aka "China Jr"...

Communism and banning of social media, and all forms of Internet and information exchange...

Edited November 10, 2013 by MaxLee

[Artisi]

Start playing hard-ball in that field will ensure a very quick and permanent response.

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[siampolee]

In reality we are starting to see a government that is frightened the puppet master is no doubt screaming down his phone as he did before when he was in the U.S. as he , his family and their brown nosing acolytes are starting to see that the pot of gold that is at the end of the rainbow that is Thailand is indeed unobtainable by fair means.

Thaksin his family and their brown nosing acolytes have no qualms concerning the killing of their countrymen and women in the Thaksin quest for the ultimate position here, sadly it looks as if we may be heading down the slippery slope to yet more civil unrest yet again and on more than one front too. All because of one despicable malevolent megalomaniac and his insatiable demented thirst for both revenge and power.

The price of Thaksins ambition will be and is the blood of the Thai people if he is allowed to succeed., yet again we see the true face of tyranny appearing among the innocents .

Edited November 10, 2013 by siampolee

[cloghead]

Now according to then S.M.S. from ''The Nation'' received some 15 minutes since, the D.S.I. is threatening action if the protest carries on today as according to Tharit, that paragon truth, honesty, loyalty and decency (at the right price) the controversial bill has been withdrawn and all that needs to be done is for all those anti Amnesty bill/ anti government protesters is for them to go home.

Strangely enough though there was nor is any mention of the pro Amnesty / government protesters and the suggestion that they should return home as all is well and settled

One wonders why that is?

Indeed an unveiled threat to the anti bill anti government demonstrators along with democracy in general.

Because the man is a monitor lizard

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I take great offense at your calling Shinwatra a 'monitor lizard'. How dare you blaspheme the good name of one of the most respected members of the reptilian world by comparing them (lizards) to what is nothing more than common pond scum.

You should be ashamed of yourself

[ggold]

Could it happen that the army stand behind the people and the police stand behind the government? That could lead to a very nasty situation. I don't believe Taksin has the army in his pocket. The army's loyalty lie elsewhere and with the people and that cannot be bought.

While I agree the army's loyalty lay's elsewhere! I think the army has been bought, after all there is an army general in the government as a sitting MP is there not?

[Artisi]

No contest, police versus the army, unless of course it's about collecting tea money then it's a win for the BIB.

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