Yingluck losing popularity to Abhisit

[jdinasia]

This is just a temporary blip. If PTP decide to dissolve the House and hold new elections, PTP will win again, but maybe with a much smaller majority.

Which will have the same effect.

They did not have the majority the last time (current PTP has just under 50% of the house)

[AleG]

This is just a temporary blip. If PTP decide to dissolve the House and hold new elections, PTP will win again, but maybe with a much smaller majority.

Which will have the same effect.

I wouldn't count on that, have you seen the latest from the Rice Scam? It's collapsing, farmers are getting as little as 6000 Baht per ton, they are not going to vote for PTP and their disastrous policies again.

They have alienated a big chunk of the Red Shirts, farmers, middle class, etc, etc... At most they could try to cobble together a coalition, but at the moment new elections and a majority in parliament is a pipe dream for PTP.

[webfact]

UPDATE:

Poll: Majority of Thais have less confidence in Pheu Thai-led government

BANGKOK, 11 November 2013 (NNT) – ABAC Poll says a majority of Thais have less confidence in the Yingluck government, while nearly 70 percent of the surveyed people believe a coup d'etat is not the solution to the current political deadlock.

According to ABAC Poll, more than 72 percent of the samples said they had less confidence in the Pheu Thai-led government, while only 10 percent said they had more confidence, and 17.5 percent said their confidence remained the same.

The survey also found that 70 percent of the people thought that a coup d'etat was not the ultimate solution to the conflict, while 30 percent said it would help solve the problem.

Meanwhile, 89 percent said they wanted to see peace and unity in this country as all sides need to work together to bring this country forward.

The Poll further suggested that 84 percent still believed in the power of democracy to let this nation get through times of adversity despite the existence of bad politicians.


-- NNT 2013-11-11

[Nickymaster]

This is just a temporary blip. If PTP decide to dissolve the House and hold new elections, PTP will win again, but maybe with a much smaller majority.

Which will have the same effect.

I wouldn't count on that, have you seen the latest from the Rice Scam? It's collapsing, farmers are getting as little as 6000 Baht per ton, they are not going to vote for PTP and their disastrous policies again.

They have alienated a big chunk of the Red Shirts, farmers, middle class, etc, etc... At most they could try to cobble together a coalition, but at the moment new elections and a majority in parliament is a pipe dream for PTP.

I want to agree with you and maybe I can.

Judging by the hate speeches from Natthawut, Jatuporn ant Thida, PT doesn't want an election now. They just want to hold on to power as long as possible. They haven't mentioned anything about a snap election or something since they committed one of the largest political blunders ever in SE Asia.

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Until Mr T starts handing out vote funds again that is .....

I agree! All these Thai people protesting about the amnesty bill and who should I vote for and so on. All the complaining will stop at election time when the winner will be who hands out the most money to the voters to buy their vote. I don't feel sorry for the Thai people in this respect. They were actually bought by the winning party so deal with it! Thai politics is never about the issues but always about money. How can Yingluck call this a democracy. Socialism working at its best,

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I'm getting sick and tired of this 'all Thais of either faction were paid' rubbish.

I personally know that not one of the Yellows were paid to attend the rally. I also personally know, as the recipient of a telephone call from a Red shirt offering 1000 baht to change sides, was sitting right next to me (they laughed and refused BTW), that the Taksin bought and paid for Redshirts, were.

[fab4]

I want to agree with you and maybe I can.

Judging by the hate speeches from Natthawut, Jatuporn ant Thida, PT doesn't want an election now. They just want to hold on to power as long as possible. They haven't mentioned anything about a snap election or something since they committed one of the largest political blunders ever in SE Asia.

Any examples of those hate speeches available in english? Come to think of it any translations from the rhetoric bandied about from the dem party stage?

Can you help us there?

Edited November 11, 2013 by fab4

[Thainy Tim]

One solution is for the election committee to step up to the plate and do what they were put in place to do. To see any election as a true democratic process. The best way to do that is for any vote buying from any party should nullify the election result and the offending party/parties to be suspended from the ballot.

That is what would happen in a mature democratic country as we have in the western countries.

This vote buying sham is in full view, and there are no secrets made about it. So what the hell do Thailand have with an election committee if they just so dysfunctional they led this sort of thing slide.

I would be very interested to see which way the vote went if there were no possibility of vote buying. Because that is ballot rigging at its very best.

[Thainy Tim]

I want to agree with you and maybe I can.

Judging by the hate speeches from Natthawut, Jatuporn ant Thida, PT doesn't want an election now. They just want to hold on to power as long as possible. They haven't mentioned anything about a snap election or something since they committed one of the largest political blunders ever in SE Asia.

Any examples of those hate speeches available in english? Come to think of it any translations from the rhetoric bandied about from the dem party stage?

Can you help us there?

Just read the Nation... they print the main gist of the red hate speeches, and yes, they are quite hateful.

The dems, they just tell it as it is, and we can all see that they are quite right.

[Local Drunk]

UPDATE:

Poll: Majority of Thais have less confidence in Pheu Thai-led government

BANGKOK, 11 November 2013 (NNT) – ABAC Poll says a majority of Thais have less confidence in the Yingluck government, while nearly 70 percent of the surveyed people believe a coup d'etat is not the solution to the current political deadlock.

According to ABAC Poll, more than 72 percent of the samples said they had less confidence in the Pheu Thai-led government, while only 10 percent said they had more confidence, and 17.5 percent said their confidence remained the same.

The survey also found that 70 percent of the people thought that a coup d'etat was not the ultimate solution to the conflict, while 30 percent said it would help solve the problem.

Meanwhile, 89 percent said they wanted to see peace and unity in this country as all sides need to work together to bring this country forward.

The Poll further suggested that 84 percent still believed in the power of democracy to let this nation get through times of adversity despite the existence of bad politicians.

-- NNT 2013-11-11

A horse by a different name or colour is still a horse... They must be tamed and ridden by the people.

Edited November 11, 2013 by Local Drunk

[mickjn]

Do not say anything about my girl I love her

[Local Drunk]

This is just a temporary blip. If PTP decide to dissolve the House and hold new elections, PTP will win again, but maybe with a much smaller majority.

Which will have the same effect.

I wouldn't count on that, have you seen the latest from the Rice Scam? It's collapsing, farmers are getting as little as 6000 Baht per ton, they are not going to vote for PTP and their disastrous policies again.

They have alienated a big chunk of the Red Shirts, farmers, middle class, etc, etc... At most they could try to cobble together a coalition, but at the moment new elections and a majority in parliament is a pipe dream for PTP.

I want to agree with you and maybe I can.

Judging by the hate speeches from Natthawut, Jatuporn ant Thida, PT doesn't want an election now. They just want to hold on to power as long as possible. They haven't mentioned anything about a snap election or something since they committed one of the largest political blunders ever in SE Asia.

There are untold billions of baht at stake for certain government officials in this government's policy's. Do any of you Reds think that a 2 trillion infrastructure loan for a train will get one child out of the rice fields? Go ahead, vote PTP and watch your children break their backs for the rest of their lives to enrich your fearless leader, and those trillions are just a drop in the bucket to the real issues.

Edited November 11, 2013 by Local Drunk

[Nickymaster]

I want to agree with you and maybe I can.

Judging by the hate speeches from Natthawut, Jatuporn ant Thida, PT doesn't want an election now. They just want to hold on to power as long as possible. They haven't mentioned anything about a snap election or something since they committed one of the largest political blunders ever in SE Asia.

Any examples of those hate speeches available in english? Come to think of it any translations from the rhetoric bandied about from the dem party stage?

Can you help us there?

Hey GK, I am not going to waste my time looking something up for you. Do it yourself buddy.

[Thait Spot]

I want to agree with you and maybe I can.

Judging by the hate speeches from Natthawut, Jatuporn ant Thida, PT doesn't want an election now. They just want to hold on to power as long as possible. They haven't mentioned anything about a snap election or something since they committed one of the largest political blunders ever in SE Asia.

Any examples of those hate speeches available in english? Come to think of it any translations from the rhetoric bandied about from the dem party stage?

Can you help us there?

I have a whole collection of them in Swahili

Duhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[hellodolly]

This is just a temporary blip. If PTP decide to dissolve the House and hold new elections, PTP will win again, but maybe with a much smaller majority.

Which will have the same effect.

I agree in fact I doubt they would have a majority. They would have to rely on other parties. Maybe try to be a real government. Some thing new to them.

If they don't dissolve it and let it run it's time out they will still lose seats. This is the beginning of the Thai public paying attention to what they are doing and not liking it.

I honestly don't believe they realize the amount of informed opposition that they have aroused.

[smartconsulting]

Until Mr T starts handing out vote funds again that is .....

I agree! All these Thai people protesting about the amnesty bill and who should I vote for and so on. All the complaining will stop at election time when the winner will be who hands out the most money to the voters to buy their vote. I don't feel sorry for the Thai people in this respect. They were actually bought by the winning party so deal with it! Thai politics is never about the issues but always about money. How can Yingluck call this a democracy. Socialism working at its best,

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I'm getting sick and tired of this 'all Thais of either faction were paid' rubbish.

I personally know that not one of the Yellows were paid to attend the rally. I also personally know, as the recipient of a telephone call from a Red shirt offering 1000 baht to change sides, was sitting right next to me (they laughed and refused BTW), that the Taksin bought and paid for Redshirts, were.

Where was I talking about buying and paying for protestors??? Hmmm I believe I was referring to people buying and selling votes in the elections. I was personally at my bosses house when her husband excepted a bribe to vote. The local governor and his brother were making the rounds with a wad of cash!!!

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[TheGhostWithin]

The sad thing is that in a country where the spirit of the system is not applied in direct reflection of the actions by those stewarding the system, polls like this mean nothing. Polls like this change nothing. The system is already corrupt absolutely to the core in the respect that the core function of the system is self-sustenance at the expense of the social system it was designed to uphold, protect and develop.

We have the same problem here in my country, with Politicians selling off state assets against the 80% or so resistance of the popular vote, then a prime minister rushing through the sale and stating on national TV "I don't care if you have a referendum, because I will sell the asset which is the subject of the referendum before your results can be released".

These types of things are not the mark of revolutionaries, but the mark of a broken system which catered to a humanity with much more dignity and expectation of "doing the right thing for the people". My generation no longer hold such reverence for the ongoing development of the world, they want it all and they want it all now.

[fab4]

Any examples of those hate speeches available in english? Come to think of it any translations from the rhetoric bandied about from the dem party stage?

Can you help us there?

Just read the Nation... they print the main gist of the red hate speeches, and yes, they are quite hateful.

The dems, they just tell it as it is, and we can all see that they are quite right.

[Baerboxer]

The results seem to echo the PTP funded polls in the north and north east, Thaksin cant afford a dissolution til his ministers can do something to regain some of their popularity. Money is one way but the trough is getting very bare, they may need to dip in their own pockets or cut and run.

That's why they don't want to dissolve the house, and have been pushing to "reject' the amnesty bill - they need to get their hands on the 2.2 trillion. Once they've got that through then watch the amnesty bill, emergency decree or dissolution suddenly happen - all aimed at whitewashing the criminal fugitive.

[ChrisY1]

Another fine mess you've got me into Laurel (aka Thaksin) !!

[MobileContent]

1122 random phone calls.

Thai PBS was taken off the air in 2007 and is a runner up of ITV.

Keep an eye what Channel 5 and 7 have to say. They are controlled by the army and are an important factor of any political outcome in Thailand.

I thought this was an announcement of the Nation.

Continue next subject.

[jdinasia]

This is just a temporary blip. If PTP decide to dissolve the House and hold new elections, PTP will win again, but maybe with a much smaller majority.

Which will have the same effect.

I agree in fact I doubt they would have a majority. They would have to rely on other parties. Maybe try to be a real government. Some thing new to them.

If they don't dissolve it and let it run it's time out they will still lose seats. This is the beginning of the Thai public paying attention to what they are doing and not liking it.

I honestly don't believe they realize the amount of informed opposition that they have aroused.

PTP does not have a majority now. They may not be able to hold a coalition together at all after the next election.

I am hearing talk about a "unity government" (appointed, not elected) being proposed in some circles.

[Robby nz]

I somehow doubt that there will be personal cash in the hand vote buying in the villages.

After all there is a village fund out there which can be dispensed at the discretion of some Govt department or other.

The local PT MP will be having a quiet talk to all the Poo Yai Bahn's who administer the village fund telling them something like :

They are expected to deliver votes in the correct direction at the local polling place, failure to do this may well see the withholding of the village fund.

But PT wouldn't do a thing like that it would only be the Dems that would do it for if they were to get into power they would scrap the village fund scheme.

Much simpler and effective than going round the peasants, that would then be the village heads job.

And no personal or party money paid out only the threat of withholding tax payers money if the people vote the wrong way.

[fab4]

I want to agree with you and maybe I can.

Judging by the hate speeches from Natthawut, Jatuporn ant Thida, PT doesn't want an election now. They just want to hold on to power as long as possible. They haven't mentioned anything about a snap election or something since they committed one of the largest political blunders ever in SE Asia.

Any examples of those hate speeches available in english? Come to think of it any translations from the rhetoric bandied about from the dem party stage?

Can you help us there?

Hey GK, I am not going to waste my time looking something up for you. Do it yourself buddy.

GK? Well anyway if you can't come up with anything I'll just assume it's more of the usual "throw some sh#@ and some will stick" method of propaganda a lot of posters on here use.

[Bagwan]

This lot make Screaming Lord Sutch appear quite normal. PTP, the Thai version of the Monster Raving Loony Party.

[chrisrazz]

To all you cynics that think that 500 baht really buys a vote. You are more stupid than the people handing out the money. Almost all candidates hand out cash. If you were Thai and someone offered you 500 baht you'd take it and tell them what 'THEY' want to hear, meanwhile waiting for the next idiot to come along. The only candidates that didn't have to hand out money in my area were the Taksin candidates, they didn't need to buy votes, they already had them. My wife picked up 1500 whilst sitting outside the polling station waiting for pal to vote at the recent Amphur elections, my wife had already voted <deleted>. I sat and watched as many as five different agents give the mother-in-law money, I asked if any of this would influence her voting intentions. The answer simply 'Bor'. The people of Isaan are no different to the politicians, they'll take what they can get, the difference is that for a politician it costs a lot more to get there and when they do, they'll take a lot more.

[phantomfiddler]

The first time I heard the famous chinese phrase "May you live in interesting times" I though it was a compliment. Silly me ! Wiser now by far, the curse beams out with no chance of misinterpretation. This country is cursed by interesting times, sadly all of their own making. We all wait, agog at what these leaders of the country will think of next

[jdinasia]

To all you cynics that think that 500 baht really buys a vote. You are more stupid than the people handing out the money. Almost all candidates hand out cash. If you were Thai and someone offered you 500 baht you'd take it and tell them what 'THEY' want to hear, meanwhile waiting for the next idiot to come along. The only candidates that didn't have to hand out money in my area were the Taksin candidates, they didn't need to buy votes, they already had them. My wife picked up 1500 whilst sitting outside the polling station waiting for pal to vote at the recent Amphur elections, my wife had already voted <deleted>. I sat and watched as many as five different agents give the mother-in-law money, I asked if any of this would influence her voting intentions. The answer simply 'Bor'. The people of Isaan are no different to the politicians, they'll take what they can get, the difference is that for a politician it costs a lot more to get there and when they do, they'll take a lot more.

A story not credible on so many levels........

[Showbags]

The results seem to echo the PTP funded polls in the north and north east, Thaksin cant afford a dissolution til his ministers can do something to regain some of their popularity. Money is one way but the trough is getting very bare, they may need to dip in their own pockets or cut and run.

Where do you think that 3 trillion baht loan is meant for ?

War chest me thinks.

[SICHONSTEVE]

on its random phone interviews

Of people owning Vertu's?

What is that? Latin?

[pedro01]

To all you cynics that think that 500 baht really buys a vote. You are more stupid than the people handing out the money. Almost all candidates hand out cash. If you were Thai and someone offered you 500 baht you'd take it and tell them what 'THEY' want to hear, meanwhile waiting for the next idiot to come along. The only candidates that didn't have to hand out money in my area were the Taksin candidates, they didn't need to buy votes, they already had them. My wife picked up 1500 whilst sitting outside the polling station waiting for pal to vote at the recent Amphur elections, my wife had already voted <deleted>. I sat and watched as many as five different agents give the mother-in-law money, I asked if any of this would influence her voting intentions. The answer simply 'Bor'. The people of Isaan are no different to the politicians, they'll take what they can get, the difference is that for a politician it costs a lot more to get there and when they do, they'll take a lot more.

A story not credible on so many levels........

Are you kidding?

I know quite a few Isaan voters and they all take the money and then go and vote for whoever they like. Apart from a few cases of open voting booths a while back, what exactly forces them to vote for the highest bidder?