Thailand's Climate Change

[willyumiii]

There has been an interesting thread, "Big Rain" on TV for the past couple of days about the unexpected rain we are getting in December.

It's been raining pretty good in my area for almost 24 hours now and only 16 c / 62 f this morning!

On last night's news they reported snow fall in northern Thailand and Vietnam.

Many people have replied that this does not happen in Thailand, rain or snow in December!

In my area there was really no rainy season or cold season to speak of in 2012.

And the flooding of 2010 and 2012 are not that common.

Could it be that climate change has come to Thailand?

The media has misnamed it " Global Warming".

This is a very poor choice of words since some places are getting warmer, some colder, some wetter and some dryer.

I refuse to refer to it as Global Warming.

It is a "Significant Climate Change"and that is what I prefer to call it.

If Thailand was warming too, the rocks may melt in the hot season!

This is not a political thread.

Not discussing if the change is being caused by Man, Nature, God, Spirits or Goblins!

I just think it is difficult to disagree that the climate is changing!

[Johnniey]

Feels the same as 25 years ago to me.

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[i claudius]

Poured down last night here in Pattaya ,garden loved it ,

[jpeg]

Raining all bloody year here on Phuket - again, almost same last year. Hate it

[tim armstrong]

Nakhon Sawan seems to be having a 'normal year', although I have noticed over the past 10 years that the dry season maybe getting longer.

[CharlieH]

Definately cooler than previous years, atleast it feels that way, first time in 8 years I actually caught a cold !

[canuckamuck]

I would love to hear more about the snow report, where and when.

The weather changes every year a little. Always has.

Once you have been here 200 years and have kept records you might begin to know if something is unprecedented

I will wait for that report..

[thailiketoo]

Definately cooler than previous years, atleast it feels that way, first time in 8 years I actually caught a cold !

Does catching a cold have something to do with cold weather?

[thailiketoo]

Nakhon Sawan seems to be having a 'normal year', although I have noticed over the past 10 years that the dry season maybe getting longer.

Coldest summer on record at the North Pole and the highest August Arctic ice extent since 2006.

I heard Santa is switching homes to come to Pattaya. They like the fat old guys there you know.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/larrybell/2013/08/21/the-new-york-times-global-warming-hysteria-ignores-17-years-of-flat-global-temperatures/2/

[true blue]

well its certinally cold in chiang mai,last night and this morning,its freezing,coldest night ive experience in 10 years,brrrrrrrrrr

[Thaddeus]

I've got my feet on a hot water bottle.

[h90]

I recall a talk with my grandmum who had very good memory, and often there were winters or summers "like never before" too hot, too cold, to wet.....In the 1940s, 1950s in Europe. And if you read old news I guess you'll find the same for the 1840 and 1850 and if there are documents about it most probably even the old Egypt 3000 years ago had weather like "never before".

There might be minor changes to the extreme because of less forests, but just minor.

[Costas2008]

Thaddeus, on 17 Dec 2013 - 12:06, said:

I've got my feet on a hot water bottle.

And mine between my wife's legs......much better!!!!!

[khunPer]

Nakhon Sawan seems to be having a 'normal year', although I have noticed over the past 10 years that the dry season maybe getting longer.

Coldest summer on record at the North Pole and the highest August Arctic ice extent since 2006.

I heard Santa is switching homes to come to Pattaya. They like the fat old guys there you know.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/larrybell/2013/08/21/the-new-york-times-global-warming-hysteria-ignores-17-years-of-flat-global-temperatures/2/

“Coldest Summer”... Must be Global warming...!

[mortenaa]

Climate is changing every year. Climate change is here now. Climate change has never left. Climate change will never leave.

[lostmebike]

Does feel a little cooler than normal. However, the temperature this time of year always seems more 'normal' to me.

[khrab]

Please notice the difference between weather and climate!

[Mudcrab]

I recall a talk with my grandmum who had very good memory, and often there were winters or summers "like never before" too hot, too cold, to wet.....In the 1940s, 1950s in Europe. And if you read old news I guess you'll find the same for the 1840 and 1850 and if there are documents about it most probably even the old Egypt 3000 years ago had weather like "never before".

There might be minor changes to the extreme because of less forests, but just minor.

1000 years ago there were forests on Greenland. 200 years ago they were ice skating on the Thames.Tthere are many theories why the climate changes but one the greenies don't like is the fact that the Earth travels on a 25,000 year cycle around the Sun.

Do humans have an effect on the climate? Of course we do, the same as every other organism on the planet in one way or another.Is it significant?..who knows in the big picture.

It used to be called global warming in the 70's based on the build up of greenhouse gases but that doesn't fit the present agenda.

Now its called climate change. If there is money to be made someone will have another agenda.

A couple of volcanic eruptions stuffed the doomsayers when it flooded the atmosphere with sulphur compounds...an anti greenhouse gas which refelects the suns energy back in to space. Krakatoa for one.

[Mudcrab]

Please notice the difference between weather and climate!

That's what Dad used to tell me. England had the best climate but the worst weather.

[Mudcrab]

Please notice the difference between weather and climate!

pray tell us more

[kannot]

The climates always changing it never stays static.............so what? in fact nothing stays static.

[kannot]

I would love to hear more about the snow report, where and when.

The weather changes every year a little. Always has.

Once you have been here 200 years and have kept records you might begin to know if something is unprecedented

I will wait for that report..

200 years isnt even the blink of an eye for the age of the planet.

[RPCVguy]

We were awakened Sunday morning by a 4 AM thunder storm / drenching rain. Not typical is putting it mildly. It is our dry season, our winter season, and for some neighbors - this puts a rice harvest at risk - after months of planting, transplanting, care and... but we've only had one night even approaching 50's °F range... until Monday night's shift had us digging out extra blankets. Hey, even Cairo got snow last week.

These are weather shifts, and measured from any one spot they vary all over the place. Hard to know why until recent science has allowed satellite photos to show weather patterns, and instrumentation has allowed calibrated measurements to be collected globally. Yes, there is global warming in contrast to what other instrumental analysis of solar activity indicates should now be global cooling. Since sunspot activity / energy from the sun is at a low range in the cycle, yet cooling is minimal compared to what should be expected, what is causing the difference?

The biggest shift in the planet's physical properties, and the one that has become dominant is the concentration of "greenhouse gases" in the atmosphere. CO2 is the by-product of burning hydrocarbons. When humans were mostly burning wood or crop waste they were releasing back (recycling) much of the same CO2 that had recently been extracted from the air by the photosynthesis of plants. Since the advent of the industrial revolution when steam engines began using coal, then burning oil, humans have changed the concentration of CO2 from 280 ppm to 400 ppm. It would have been many times more, but the oceans have an ability to absorb CO2 from the air, and CO2 in water forms carbonic acid, and the oceans have been getting more acidic to the point that plankton and shellfish are struggling (but that's a different topic)

The increase in greenhouse effect generated by increase in CO2 concentration is quantified at a constant value of 4 watts per square meter (wm-2) for every doubling (or halving) of the atmospheric concentration of CO2. Going from 280 to 400 ppm CO2 has changed the absorption rate of energy planet wide equivalent to about 4 Hiroshima bomb detonations per second. (24/7/365)
http://www.skepticalscience.com/4-Hiroshima-bombs-worth-of-heat-per-second.html

AGAIN, the oceans absorb a lot of the shift, 90% of the energy. The warming oceans does mean more evaporation and that leads to more precipitation - either as heavy rains, or if there is a blast of cold arctic air, snow and ice. Welcome to the age of super storms Sandy and Haiyan. What causes the wild swings in temperature seems mostly linked to the wave pattern of the jet stream. Getting a blast of cold air does not indicate the planet is warming or cooling, just that the air flow is coming out of the polar regions. Even as one standing in front of a freezer get a blast of cold air, the warm air is simultaneously entering the polar area. Instrumentation again shows that the Arctic (sitting over ocean water) is warming faster than the planetary average. Ice mass (not just ice area) has been declining at increasing rates, and it will take repeated cool summers in the Arctic to begin to restore ice mass. So to see the jet stream impact on weather extremes, look at

Climate patterns are long term trends of many decades in length. Weather is what is happening hour by hour, week by week. The trends and physical reasons for them are for a warmer planet with storms of greater magnitude

[kannot]

We were awakened Sunday morning by a 4 AM thunder storm / drenching rain. Not typical is putting it mildly. It is our dry season, our winter season, and for some neighbors - this puts a rice harvest at risk - after months of planting, transplanting, care and... but we've only had one night even approaching 50's °F range... until Monday night's shift had us digging out extra blankets. Hey, even Cairo got snow last week.

These are weather shifts, and measured from any one spot they vary all over the place. Hard to know why until recent science has allowed satellite photos to show weather patterns, and instrumentation has allowed calibrated measurements to be collected globally. Yes, there is global warming in contrast to what other instrumental analysis of solar activity indicates should now be global cooling. Since sunspot activity / energy from the sun is at a low range in the cycle, yet cooling is minimal compared to what should be expected, what is causing the difference?

The biggest shift in the planet's physical properties, and the one that has become dominant is the concentration of "greenhouse gases" in the atmosphere. CO2 is the by-product of burning hydrocarbons. When humans were mostly burning wood or crop waste they were releasing back (recycling) much of the same CO2 that had recently been extracted from the air by the photosynthesis of plants. Since the advent of the industrial revolution when steam engines began using coal, then burning oil, humans have changed the concentration of CO2 from 280 ppm to 400 ppm. It would have been many times more, but the oceans have an ability to absorb CO2 from the air, and CO2 in water forms carbonic acid, and the oceans have been getting more acidic to the point that plankton and shellfish are struggling (but that's a different topic)

The increase in greenhouse effect generated by increase in CO2 concentration is quantified at a constant value of 4 watts per square meter (wm-2) for every doubling (or halving) of the atmospheric concentration of CO2. Going from 280 to 400 ppm CO2 has changed the absorption rate of energy planet wide equivalent to about 4 Hiroshima bomb detonations per second. (24/7/365)

http://www.skepticalscience.com/4-Hiroshima-bombs-worth-of-heat-per-second.html

AGAIN, the oceans absorb a lot of the shift, 90% of the energy. The warming oceans does mean more evaporation and that leads to more precipitation - either as heavy rains, or if there is a blast of cold arctic air, snow and ice. Welcome to the age of super storms Sandy and Haiyan. What causes the wild swings in temperature seems mostly linked to the wave pattern of the jet stream. Getting a blast of cold air does not indicate the planet is warming or cooling, just that the air flow is coming out of the polar regions. Even as one standing in front of a freezer get a blast of cold air, the warm air is simultaneously entering the polar area. Instrumentation again shows that the Arctic (sitting over ocean water) is warming faster than the planetary average. Ice mass (not just ice area) has been declining at increasing rates, and it will take repeated cool summers in the Arctic to begin to restore ice mass. So to see the jet stream impact on weather extremes, look at

Climate patterns are long term trends of many decades in length. Weather is what is happening hour by hour, week by week. The trends and physical reasons for them are for a warmer planet with storms of greater magnitude

Great , now what caused all the previous warming's cooling's over the last 4.6 billion years?

[i claudius]

Just got our electricity bill ,lowest one by far in 8 years ,because of not needing the air con ,and to be honest i'me cold at the moment so wont need it again tonight.

[JakeSully]

Maybe it's el nino or el bizzarro or whatever!

[Dap]

Northern Thailand got snow? Really? Where?

[RPCVguy]

We were awakened Sunday morning by a 4 AM thunder storm / drenching rain. Not typical is putting it mildly. It is our dry season, our winter season, and for some neighbors - this puts a rice harvest at risk - after months of planting, transplanting, care and... but we've only had one night even approaching 50's °F range... until Monday night's shift had us digging out extra blankets. Hey, even Cairo got snow last week.

These are weather shifts, and measured from any one spot they vary all over the place. Hard to know why until recent science has allowed satellite photos to show weather patterns, and instrumentation has allowed calibrated measurements to be collected globally. Yes, there is global warming in contrast to what other instrumental analysis of solar activity indicates should now be global cooling. Since sunspot activity / energy from the sun is at a low range in the cycle, yet cooling is minimal compared to what should be expected, what is causing the difference?

The biggest shift in the planet's physical properties, and the one that has become dominant is the concentration of "greenhouse gases" in the atmosphere. CO2 is the by-product of burning hydrocarbons. When humans were mostly burning wood or crop waste they were releasing back (recycling) much of the same CO2 that had recently been extracted from the air by the photosynthesis of plants. Since the advent of the industrial revolution when steam engines began using coal, then burning oil, humans have changed the concentration of CO2 from 280 ppm to 400 ppm. It would have been many times more, but the oceans have an ability to absorb CO2 from the air, and CO2 in water forms carbonic acid, and the oceans have been getting more acidic to the point that plankton and shellfish are struggling (but that's a different topic)

The increase in greenhouse effect generated by increase in CO2 concentration is quantified at a constant value of 4 watts per square meter (wm-2) for every doubling (or halving) of the atmospheric concentration of CO2. Going from 280 to 400 ppm CO2 has changed the absorption rate of energy planet wide equivalent to about 4 Hiroshima bomb detonations per second. (24/7/365)

http://www.skepticalscience.com/4-Hiroshima-bombs-worth-of-heat-per-second.html

AGAIN, the oceans absorb a lot of the shift, 90% of the energy. The warming oceans does mean more evaporation and that leads to more precipitation - either as heavy rains, or if there is a blast of cold arctic air, snow and ice. Welcome to the age of super storms Sandy and Haiyan. What causes the wild swings in temperature seems mostly linked to the wave pattern of the jet stream. Getting a blast of cold air does not indicate the planet is warming or cooling, just that the air flow is coming out of the polar regions. Even as one standing in front of a freezer get a blast of cold air, the warm air is simultaneously entering the polar area. Instrumentation again shows that the Arctic (sitting over ocean water) is warming faster than the planetary average. Ice mass (not just ice area) has been declining at increasing rates, and it will take repeated cool summers in the Arctic to begin to restore ice mass. So to see the jet stream impact on weather extremes, look at

Climate patterns are long term trends of many decades in length. Weather is what is happening hour by hour, week by week. The trends and physical reasons for them are for a warmer planet with storms of greater magnitude

Great , now what caused all the previous warming's cooling's over the last 4.6 billion years?

A Google search would reveal many posts on the subject. It is a fact that the Earth had been on a cooling trend of geologic length. Magma flows and numerous volcanoes are not the norm any longer. Heat radiates, and only greenhouse gasses have prevented the Earth from being cooler than it is.

"Global cooling events that result in ice ages have occurred a number of times during the earth's history. Some of these cold periods have lasted for 10's of millions of years. The ice ages of the Pleistocene were just the recent part of a longer progressively cooling trend that began about 60 million years ago. By 35-30 million years ago, it was finally cold enough for the most recent polar ice sheets to form." and

"Research by Eelco Rohling of the University of Southampton in England suggests that we are now 2,000-2,500 years overdue for another ice age and that the reason it has not arrived yet has been the impact of humans on the global climate. Specifically, it is thought that deforestation, the burning of fossil fuels, and other human activities have resulted in an atmospheric "greenhouse effect" which is responsible for prolonging relatively warm interglacial conditions." check: http://anthro.palomar.edu/homo/homo_3.htm

The cyclical patterns of the ice ages have been a recent development that follow variations in the Earth's orbit http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geologic_temperature_record

The warm spikes that preceded the cycle of ice ages may have been triggered by volcanic eruptions of a massive scale that released enough CO2 to then release methane that had been trapped in polar regions - much as is feared may happen again. The Earth has massive chemical stores of methane that build up under the polar regions that can be released when the planet warms sufficiently. These then accelerate warming and make for a runaway situation of warming that takes eons to undo.

Carbon is naturally sequestered as Calcium carbonate stone - again over eons of time, and this weathering of stone acts as a thermostat. Carbon is cycled into stone, that eventually cycles deep enough to reach the molten core - where it gets released as CO2 by future volcanic eruptions.

http://www.learner.org/courses/envsci/unit/text.php?unit=1&secNum=4

[khunPer]

We were awakened Sunday morning by a 4 AM thunder storm / drenching rain. Not typical is putting it mildly. It is our dry season, our winter season, and for some neighbors - this puts a rice harvest at risk - after months of planting, transplanting, care and... but we've only had one night even approaching 50's °F range... until Monday night's shift had us digging out extra blankets. Hey, even Cairo got snow last week.

These are weather shifts, and measured from any one spot they vary all over the place. Hard to know why until recent science has allowed satellite photos to show weather patterns, and instrumentation has allowed calibrated measurements to be collected globally. Yes, there is global warming in contrast to what other instrumental analysis of solar activity indicates should now be global cooling. Since sunspot activity / energy from the sun is at a low range in the cycle, yet cooling is minimal compared to what should be expected, what is causing the difference?

The biggest shift in the planet's physical properties, and the one that has become dominant is the concentration of "greenhouse gases" in the atmosphere. CO2 is the by-product of burning hydrocarbons. When humans were mostly burning wood or crop waste they were releasing back (recycling) much of the same CO2 that had recently been extracted from the air by the photosynthesis of plants. Since the advent of the industrial revolution when steam engines began using coal, then burning oil, humans have changed the concentration of CO2 from 280 ppm to 400 ppm. It would have been many times more, but the oceans have an ability to absorb CO2 from the air, and CO2 in water forms carbonic acid, and the oceans have been getting more acidic to the point that plankton and shellfish are struggling (but that's a different topic)

The increase in greenhouse effect generated by increase in CO2 concentration is quantified at a constant value of 4 watts per square meter (wm-2) for every doubling (or halving) of the atmospheric concentration of CO2. Going from 280 to 400 ppm CO2 has changed the absorption rate of energy planet wide equivalent to about 4 Hiroshima bomb detonations per second. (24/7/365)

AGAIN, the oceans absorb a lot of the shift, 90% of the energy. The warming oceans does mean more evaporation and that leads to more precipitation - either as heavy rains, or if there is a blast of cold arctic air, snow and ice. Welcome to the age of super storms Sandy and Haiyan. What causes the wild swings in temperature seems mostly linked to the wave pattern of the jet stream. Getting a blast of cold air does not indicate the planet is warming or cooling, just that the air flow is coming out of the polar regions. Even as one standing in front of a freezer get a blast of cold air, the warm air is simultaneously entering the polar area. Instrumentation again shows that the Arctic (sitting over ocean water) is warming faster than the planetary average. Ice mass (not just ice area) has been declining at increasing rates, and it will take repeated cool summers in the Arctic to begin to restore ice mass. So to see the jet stream impact on weather extremes, look at

Climate patterns are long term trends of many decades in length. Weather is what is happening hour by hour, week by week. The trends and physical reasons for them are for a warmer planet with storms of greater magnitude

Latest science indicates, that the increase of CO2 levels rather is a result of Global Warming than the cause; the cause is the Sun, caused by the solar activity as can be read in solar spots. The Global temperature now is lower than one to two thousand years ago – just restoring after the so-called “Little Ice Age” about 150 years ago.

[pigeonjake]

Just got our electricity bill ,lowest one by far in 8 years ,because of not needing the air con ,and to be honest i'me cold at the moment so wont need it again tonight.

you could allways put your air con on heat mode,

just to get your electric bill back up,, ok ill have another cup of tea