Tearful Yingluck vows to fight on

[Nickymaster]

A bunch of brave man here acting her from behind your computer.

Says the guy who's post was deleted by the mods (in another thread) after he hoped (from behind his computer) that someone would shoot Suthep. Buy a mirror. Ikea has some cheap ones I heard.

[Halion]

The Thai televisions soaps are so bad however ,compared with Yingluck they are almost watchable...almost.

[newcomer71]

yes the road to ample wealth is full of rocks and holes.

I agree, looking at our highway construction, in Chiang Dao. One year, they finish it, two years later, they tear it up again, because it is full of holes. Why, because Little Ms Noluck and her cronies are corrupt and pocket most of the money, allotted to building and maintaining highways and infrastructure. So yes, her road if full of rocks and holes, but the only one, she can blame for that, is herself, her brother Thaksin and the rest of the corrupt network of Thaksin loving contractors, cops and politicians. .

Ayone seen this article

Wall Street Journal

Thailand's Disloyal Opposition

The Democrats pursue power by making the country ungovernable.

Is Thailand heading for civil war?

The question may seem overly dramatic, but the decision of the opposition Democrat Party to boycott the Feb. 2 general election makes resolution of the struggle between the royalist Democrats and supporters of Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra nearly impossible. Protest leader Suthep Thaugsuban vowed Sunday to hound Ms. Yingluck until she dies or steps down, and he ordered his supporters to block registration of candidates.

Faced with almost certain defeat at the polls, the Democrats have decided to pursue power by making the country ungovernable. Such behavior is the definition of a disloyal opposition, and the protesters use the word "insurrection" to define their movement. While they pay lip service to reforming the democratic system, at other times they demand that the monarchy install a new leader and that democracy give way to rule by the elite.

Spot on

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304483804579281380229393434

Surely this opinion is well shared here on TV, but sure will have someone tell that WSJ is biased, or don't know what happens here...

I sure can say: Democrats had the chance to do reforms, but they did not do anything. Why wake up now?

This country is now in chaos and ungovernable by anyone... What's next?

[jayboy]

A bunch of brave man here acting her from behind your computer.

Says the guy who's post was deleted by the mods (in another thread) after he hoped (from behind his computer) that someone would shoot Suthep. Buy a mirror. Ikea has some cheap ones I heard.

It also betrays a complete misunderstanding of Suthep's significance.He would not have acted as he has without very clear support.Even if Suthep hypothetically decided to spend more time with his family, nothing would change - or to be more precise the unelected elites would find another way to push their agenda forward.Equally if Thaksin disappeared from the scene it would not have the effect his enemies desire because the genie is out of the bottle, ie ordinary Thais have become politicised.Too much emphasis is placed in this conflict on the significance of individuals with the demonisation of both Suthep and of course Thaksin.It doesn't work like that.Tectonic plates are shifting in Thailand and various interests and social groups are struggling to retain or improve their position.So fasten your seat belts -we're in for a bumpy ride.

[ttthailand]

How many people have to die for one family's greed and power desire to be satisfied. If she stepped down with her entire family this thing would be over and lives would be saved and Thailand could move on. One man lost his country already and the remaining family will end up loosing in the end anyway. People are blinded by greed and power !!!

[Prbkk]

How many people have to die for one family's greed and power desire to be satisfied. If she stepped down with her entire family this thing would be over and lives would be saved and Thailand could move on. One man lost his country already and the remaining family will end up loosing in the end anyway. People are blinded by greed and power !!!

She steps down and it's over in a flash? Oh, you must be kidding. The worst possible outcome for Thailand would be for Yingluck to quit and hand power to those who ripped the heart out of this country for their own benefit and profiteered from the labour of others. However much Thaksin may have benefitted from his power, it pales into total insignificance relative to what the old guard stole. Now they want back...at any cost. The real cost of letting them back would be astronomical; the country would be destroyed in the process, just as it was decimated in 1997. Please fight on , Yingluck

Edited December 26, 2013 by Prbkk

[pkspeaker]

GRRR.. then who's gonna be PM? what don't the 'SheShouldResign' people understand? If it's not her it has to be some other PT MP.. Its called the rule-of-law as opposed to the rule of MOBs, in the rule of law, you have a set of rules and procedures.. she is following them.

the EC said the election should be delayed but they did not advise a legal way it cold be done so their empty statement is dismissed.

Yea but then who the heck is gonna be PM! I have asked this before and can't remember getting a clear answer. She was elected for four years, so until there is a new election she is the PM. IS it possible to extend the caretaker role for several more months? I don't think the constitution will allow that. If she is not the PM, one of the other PT MPs steps up and takes the job, that's how the system works.

She can't resign and 'hand power over to a people's council ' like these PDRC idiots are demanding she do.. she doesn't posses this 'power'

Because SHE was elected, not her brother, when a person is elected by an large margin, she is the PM, not a non-elected 'reform' council. You don't 'start over' because a majority of the eligibe voters want HER as PM. If that is not the case then let the 'reform' council bureucrats beat her in an election.

The bigger question now is, what is the legal mechanism if the vote is delayed, IMO they can delay the election as long as they want but SHE must stay caretaker PM until she is voted out of office.

Giving into Sutheps bully tactics will not solve anything and my guess is that the election must be held because the constitution does not allow an alternative, there is no reason to think that the polling stations cannot be made secure, Lets not forget they have elections in Iraq! Not the safest place but I think the situation here will be much more calm come election day.

We know the redshirts will insist on this, NO UNELECTED PMs or 'ruling bodies'.. and take to the streets as soon as the elected PM is deposed violently.

and for some reason the previous coup didn't make all these 'reforms' that the protesters are demanding, like there has to be a new coup for reform after every election.

She can resign. That would solve a lot of problems.

Of course she can resign....

The last not elected premier, Surayud wasn't bad, in compare with the other premiers he was great....

[MrSlatersParrot]

yes the road to ample wealth is full of rocks and holes.

I agree, looking at our highway construction, in Chiang Dao. One year, they finish it, two years later, they tear it up again, because it is full of holes. Why, because Little Ms Noluck and her cronies are corrupt and pocket most of the money, allotted to building and maintaining highways and infrastructure. So yes, her road if full of rocks and holes, but the only one, she can blame for that, is herself, her brother Thaksin and the rest of the corrupt network of Thaksin loving contractors, cops and politicians. .

Ayone seen this article

Wall Street Journal

Thailand's Disloyal Opposition

The Democrats pursue power by making the country ungovernable.

Is Thailand heading for civil war?

The question may seem overly dramatic, but the decision of the opposition Democrat Party to boycott the Feb. 2 general election makes resolution of the struggle between the royalist Democrats and supporters of Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra nearly impossible. Protest leader Suthep Thaugsuban vowed Sunday to hound Ms. Yingluck until she dies or steps down, and he ordered his supporters to block registration of candidates.

Faced with almost certain defeat at the polls, the Democrats have decided to pursue power by making the country ungovernable. Such behavior is the definition of a disloyal opposition, and the protesters use the word "insurrection" to define their movement. While they pay lip service to reforming the democratic system, at other times they demand that the monarchy install a new leader and that democracy give way to rule by the elite.

Spot on

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304483804579281380229393434

Surely this opinion is well shared here on TV, but sure will have someone tell that WSJ is biased, or don't know what happens here...

I sure can say: Democrats had the chance to do reforms, but they did not do anything. Why wake up now?

This country is now in chaos and ungovernable by anyone... What's next?

The army appears genuinely divided and the "slow burn" civil war just got a lot hotter.

The whole article:

Thailand's Disloyal Opposition

The Democrats pursue power by making the country ungovernable.

Is Thailand heading for civil war?

The question may seem overly dramatic, but the decision of the opposition Democrat Party to boycott the Feb. 2 general election makes resolution of the struggle between the royalist Democrats and supporters of Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra nearly impossible. Protest leader Suthep Thaugsuban vowed Sunday to hound Ms. Yingluck until she dies or steps down, and he ordered his supporters to block registration of candidates.

Faced with almost certain defeat at the polls, the Democrats have decided to pursue power by making the country ungovernable. Such behavior is the definition of a disloyal opposition, and the protesters use the word "insurrection" to define their movement. While they pay lip service to reforming the democratic system, at other times they demand that the monarchy install a new leader and that democracy give way to rule by the elite.

Thailand has been down this road before, most recently after a military coup in 2006 put the Democrats in power. The army forced through a new constitution designed to hobble the supporters of Ms. Yingluck's brother, exiled former Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra. This effort failed and made the situation worse. Voters in the countryside only hardened their opposition to the Democrats, and Mr. Thaksin's supporters went on winning elections.

Mr. Suthep's main charge against Ms. Yingluck and her brother is that they worsened Thailand's endemic corruption. There is little evidence to support this, and the Democrats are no strangers to corruption allegations. Mr. Suthep resigned from parliament in 1995 after being accused of using a land reform to funnel assets to allies, an episode that brought down the government. (Mr. Suthep denied the allegations.) Last year the National Anti-Corruption Commission accused him of interfering in the Culture Ministry while he was deputy prime minister.

So far the pro-Thaksin rural population has remained relatively quiet, but they are seething with anger. They are capable of mobilizing far bigger protests to defend their elected representatives should that become necessary. Meanwhile, the once solidly pro-royalist military seems increasingly divided. That may be why the generals have kept to the sidelines this time, but if violence does break out it increases the risk of civil war.

The Democrats' claims to represent the will of the people, but their leaders are bent on returning to power with or without the support of a majority.

With such an opposition, Thailand's democracy will continue to suffer.

online.wsj.com

[Nickymaster]

A bunch of brave man here acting her from behind your computer.

Says the guy who's post was deleted by the mods (in another thread) after he hoped (from behind his computer) that someone would shoot Suthep. Buy a mirror. Ikea has some cheap ones I heard.

It also betrays a complete misunderstanding of Suthep's significance.He would not have acted as he has without very clear support.Even if Suthep hypothetically decided to spend more time with his family, nothing would change - or to be more precise the unelected elites would find another way to push their agenda forward.Equally if Thaksin disappeared from the scene it would not have the effect his enemies desire because the genie is out of the bottle, ie ordinary Thais have become politicised.Too much emphasis is placed in this conflict on the significance of individuals with the demonisation of both Suthep and of course Thaksin.It doesn't work like that.Tectonic plates are shifting in Thailand and various interests and social groups are struggling to retain or improve their position.So fasten your seat belts -we're in for a bumpy ride.

If you have a look at my signature and if you would take the time to visit the protests last Sunday you will realize that many people are really angry. This government is using billions of dollars to facilitate their own. They lie and cheat the people. Have a look at Yingluck talking to Aljazeera. She still tried to claim that government cannot control parliament. She said she had nothing to do with this whitewash bill. She really knows how to make people angry. I won't even go into the rice scam.

Yes Suthep could be replaced (but not easy, the guy has energy) but he is doing a good job and he has a lot of support.

Look at PT. 1=Yingluck, 2=Somchai, 4=Surapong. All family members in those spots because they can't trust others. Eliminate Thaksin and PT will collapse.

[rubl]

"After giving instruction to local government officials at a briefing of the rural road and public transport projects ..."

Excuses for going back to the OP, but I just wonder what instructions our caretaking PM has giving those local government officials. Does anyone here have any idea?

[Siripon]

A bunch of brave man here acting her from behind your computer.

Says the guy who's post was deleted by the mods (in another thread) after he hoped (from behind his computer) that someone would shoot Suthep. Buy a mirror. Ikea has some cheap ones I heard.

It also betrays a complete misunderstanding of Suthep's significance.He would not have acted as he has without very clear support.Even if Suthep hypothetically decided to spend more time with his family, nothing would change - or to be more precise the unelected elites would find another way to push their agenda forward.Equally if Thaksin disappeared from the scene it would not have the effect his enemies desire because the genie is out of the bottle, ie ordinary Thais have become politicised.Too much emphasis is placed in this conflict on the significance of individuals with the demonisation of both Suthep and of course Thaksin.It doesn't work like that.Tectonic plates are shifting in Thailand and various interests and social groups are struggling to retain or improve their position.So fasten your seat belts -we're in for a bumpy ride.

If you have a look at my signature and if you would take the time to visit the protests last Sunday you will realize that many people are really angry. This government is using billions of dollars to facilitate their own. They lie and cheat the people. Have a look at Yingluck talking to Aljazeera. She still tried to claim that government cannot control parliament. She said she had nothing to do with this whitewash bill. She really knows how to make people angry. I won't even go into the rice scam.

Yes Suthep could be replaced (but not easy, the guy has energy) but he is doing a good job and he has a lot of support.

Look at PT. 1=Yingluck, 2=Somchai, 4=Surapong. All family members in those spots because they can't trust others. Eliminate Thaksin and PT will collapse.

That is why Pheua Thai can't abandon the Shinawats- the MPs have been the employees of Thaksin for over 13 years. They can't imagine a life of freedom where they can make their own choices, elect their own executive committee, vote according to their consciences.

The big boss gives and the big boss takes away.

But if the big boss goes, so does the whole cake, the factions will split, each looking for a new patron or faction to dine with.

So it's better to be indentured servants of the big boss with a full stomach than a hungry, wandering MP in search of a home and food.

[blaze]

. Does anyone here have any idea?

Seems not

Though there was one that came out of the so called 'Age of Reason'- that citizens would use elections to determine their future.

It led of course to incredible abuse- but after the Dark Ages-- the social contractr was a breath of fresh air.

Now- ww revert to a better time0 when social conflict was decided by the warculb and the chinese gun.

Some fools never learn..

Edited December 26, 2013 by blaze

[maxman71]

I have to say that is a bit rich JT, coming from citizen of a country that voted in G W Bush!

I didn't vote for him and he was at least a governor of a large state before being president.

What is going on in Thailand is similar to what is going on in the US; the difference is, Thailand has had its large amount of poor people around a lot longer than the US. In the US under the Liar in Chief, poor people are being manufactured so as to make the Socialist, eer, "Democrat" party the sole controlling party in the US for decades to come. And no, I didn't vote for Bush in either of his elections, one of which was probably stolen by some guys named "Chad". When the less fortunate (and usually the least productive and irresponsible) in any society can vote themselves all sorts of goodies at the expense of those who are productive and responsible, that society is destined for the trash heap.

[Deez]

"Cinderella story...tears in her eyes, I guess"

[Deez]

Better to walk on the road than swing throught the jungle...

This woman will go down in Thai history as the one that brought Thailand, kicking and screaming, into the modern.

Someone thinks she is a strong leader. Interesting and surprising.

here's another one

Thailand's first female PM coming through all of this with composure - getting whistles blown in your face, your house attacked... a sign of a weak person? I don't think so

a great leader? no, of course not... a weak one? another no and she deserves some credit whether you believe she is right or wrong (Thailand, largely, believes the former)

Deserves some credit for what? Following orders?

[surangw]

and the acting award goes to the acting p/m.

[Bkkbound]

BBC reporting head of army want her to resign.. ...http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-25519328

Edited December 26, 2013 by Bkkbound

[WhizBang]

Ms Yingluck is in Chiang Mai’s Mae Jaem district to visit the people and inspect rural road projects there.

What an absolutely useless person she is. She is "inspecting rural raod projects' in Chiang Mai while the country is coming apart at the seams. She really does need at step down and never again try to play a politician.

Edited December 26, 2013 by WhizBang

[SICHONSTEVE]

Carry on -- for what purpose?

For the Thai people?

Why not start over without any connection to Thaksin?

Why does she think she is so key?

Has she done a great job?

Did she come into the job with any significant qualifications in the first place except for nepotism?

Does their party have no purpose unless the leadership is directly connected to Thaksin?

"Did she come into the job with any significant qualifications in the first place except for nepotism?"

Err how about a bachelors and a masters degree, both in public administration.

Answer your question???

Can you do a better job? and just what are your qualifications?

Wouldn't a degree and masters in politics and economics be more useful in politics.

Her public administration expertise was used masterfully in the flood disaster debacle, it's a shame that nobody knew what they were supposed to be doing and Yingluck didn't get any respect due to the fact that she was ineffectual and useless, basically.

I suppose that she is rather good at setting up committees though!!

[MaiChai]

We are at a point now where Taksins money and influence have flowed into every crook and cranny of Thai society. Even the military are influenced. We are at a very dangerous point where the whole society will be taken over by one man who is a megalomanic, and the future looks very bleak. For those who say the amart were as bad, i have to disagree. We have seen many years of amart control, and it was never as bad as the Taksin era . Thus which group do you think is better? Do we want a third installment of Taksin rule or a return to gentlemen amart rule? Who is this amart, hidden hand, anyway? That has always been there but never called by a name?

[Jingthing]

What is going on in Thailand is similar to what is going on in the US;

...

No it isn't!

[mimithewoof]

Now I'm really depressed - not by the current situation, but by the unpleasant misogynism oozing out from the bulk of these replies as well as the negative impression of the TV community it must be giving to those who pull Thailand's strings and who may well want us out at all costs.

Tezzamos, you're clearly not aware that cities and towns in the north are surrounded by rice fields tilled by ordinary, everyday farmers. I live 16kms from Chiang Mai's centre, just outside a small farming village. The guys here want the election soon and they also want calculated, democratic reforms which will make their lives more liveable. I'm all for that.

Costas2008 - maybe a darn good cry about the state of this country and its people might make you rethink your definition of feminism. Most of us, male or female, aren't stuck in the 1950s as you seem to be. The feminist movement in my country began with the aim to eradicate prejudice against women in general, not just to get the vote. It doesn't seem to have got too far here.

It's quite clear that the anti-government leaders aren't interested in the progress of democracy in Thailand, and sniping at a politician, (whatever side she's on and whoever her relatives are) simply because she's a woman does not constitute a constructive response in any debate.

[Stone Inscription 1]

Carry on Brave Yingluck! You are much superior to that Suthep who wants to keep the Thai people from having any influence in the government. He is the number one paternalist. Listen to me, don't think and especially don't vote. I and the other Chinese (Sino-Thais) will do the thinking for you. So Thai people stay on the farm and don't think too much.

[icare999]

why dosent the lying puppet just go on another shopping trip and leave Thailand at peace. If she had one ons of care for Thailand she would go along with her coward brother. While Taksin and his clan remain their will be no solution or peace.

[goldmonky]

I wonder if these are the same people who beat their wife's and girlfriends.

The very few remain of almost invisible credibility you might still have had is completely gone now

You are a troll.....period!

And you are a period.....troll!

EFFIN LOL !!! And you are a period.....troll! Classe ha ha

[outsider]

Oh come on... we have enough drama to deal with on the TV already. Turn off the taps will ya? By the way, isn't it true there is much unrest in Bangkok? Quite a surprise to see you, Ms YL, 'visiting people and inspecting rural road projects'. I mean... REALLY???

[phantomfiddler]

Carry on -- for what purpose?

For the Thai people?

Why not start over without any connection to Thaksin?

Why does she think she is so key?

Has she done a great job?

Did she come into the job with any significant qualifications in the first place except for nepotism?

Does their party have no purpose unless the leadership is directly connected to Thaksin?

Is it possible that she does not realise that SHE is the problem, that she is the puppet of the most dishonest man ever to rule Thailand ? The fact that the line-up for the next election comprises most of her family would suggest that this lady does not have the slightest clue about what is happening here. The only way for future peace is for the shinawatra family to be completely removed from any position whereby they can use their position to enrich the family coffers. Get rid of these magalomaniacs soon, please.

[jethro69]

Who cares, she's hot!

If she is a prostitute then you are right but she is PM of Thailand!

Still the hottest PM worldwide...

[pxlgirl]

her tears aren't as impressive to me, but I'd love to know the brand of the water... eh tearproof mascara she's wearing.

[NCFC]

There have been no live fire zones under Yingluck. More ordinary Thai people are behind her than behind those supported by the anti-democrats on this forum. Outside Bangkok and the South things look completely different.

There have been no protesters shooting grenades at the police either.

Not grenades, but I think you spoke too soon.