Dogmatix Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 Management of the red shirts is now an interesting dilemma for the government. Clearly they have the ability to mobilise a quarter of a million of them to Bangkok but the red shirts are clearly under the control of Thaksin and the government and any violence caused by them would be seen as the direct responsibility of the government. Also, a counter-mob of red shirts is hardly likely to open up the city. It is more likely to shut it down completely by increasing the total mob size to half a million battling protestors. While the military has no financial incentive to mount a coup, as it has been left fat and happy by the Yingluck government, it might have no choice, if the red shirts invade Bangkok. If so, that could be the first ever coup that was really to restore law and order, rather than to increase military access to the cookie jar. At any rate, the red shirts are a dangerous weapon for the government to deploy which could backfire on them and play into the anti-government protestors hands. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chooka Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 no need to be alarmed, Suthep says he is the majority so I guess the reds will be greatly outnumbered and crushed before smoko. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ginjag Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 no need to be alarmed, Suthep says he is the majority so I guess the reds will be greatly outnumbered and crushed before smoko. What was the red/PTP % of the vote at the last election. NEVER MIND TELLING ME WHAT % DEMS GOT........ without the PAID coalition they would not be in control----LANDSLIDE never in a million years. They got to power OK but S##T it up completely. Please do not give any of the crazy/well meant opposition cr#p Get to grips and let me hear about the achievements of Yingluck (who the people did not vote for ) they voted the reds in) She has had 3 years to make Thailand wealthy, non corrupt, and live up to pre election promises will you agree on this point ???? As I say forget the Dems and Suthep.... Be honest about achievements, do they outweigh the blunders ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fab4 Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 And don't forget to bring a liter of gasoline each just like last time. You know that's strange, I don't remember them bringing a litre of gasoline each last time. Perhaps you confused a rhetorical speech in a video on you tube with real life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ginjag Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 no need to be alarmed, Suthep says he is the majority so I guess the reds will be greatly outnumbered and crushed before smoko. What was the red/PTP % of the vote at the last election. NEVER MIND TELLING ME WHAT % DEMS GOT........ without the PAID coalition they would not be in control----LANDSLIDE never in a million years. They got to power OK but S##T it up completely. Please do not give any of the crazy/well meant opposition cr#p Get to grips and let me hear about the achievements of Yingluck (who the people did not vote for ) they voted the reds in) She has had 3 years to make Thailand wealthy, non corrupt, and live up to pre election promises will you agree on this point ???? As I say forget the Dems and Suthep.... Be honest about achievements, do they outweigh the blunders ???? NO pro government poster has ever answered this last question. WHY ?????? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aimbc Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 For a minute there, I didn't know what "Red Shirt" they were referring to. I thought they were referring to Manchester United. But then I realized I was wrong. There I admitted. Are this the peace loving and non-violent they were referring to? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJNPfB4_mgs#t=403 Well, I wonder what are the poster that supports this government and how they came by election have to say about this. Supporting a political party that promotes hatred and violence. This is the very government that is in power. Odd that they have not been placed in jail yet. And this are the same people who are in power. I would have to say, this government won by intimidation more like it. Or a good brain washing session. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRSoul Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 (edited) And don't forget to bring a liter of gasoline each just like last time. You know that's strange, I don't remember them bringing a litre of gasoline each last time. Perhaps you confused a rhetorical speech in a video on you tube with real life. That rhetorical speech may well cost him his real life, or much of it. Edited January 3, 2014 by JRSoul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fab4 Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 You're wrong. Not everyone is is corrupt or at very least, not AS corrupt. The Shinawatras have taken corruption to a higher plane of existence and that's why they need to go. How do you 'believe' the people of Thailand are capable of electing their own ruler when they keep electing the same kleptomaniacs into power? Why should the people whom didn't vote for the corrupt Shinawatras, have to support with their tax paid all the failed and corrupt schemes this government has put up? 'Promising' democracy. Riiiiiight. Look how the 'promising' democracy has worked so far. I'm not saying democracy should be eliminated but changes should be made to the system before the next elections. Something this government, or rather their Dubai boss doesn't seem to want. You support the idea that if you can't get elected, you change the rules until you can? You support the idea that if you get elected, you change the rules to benefit yourself and your cronies? Do you really want me to bring up abhisits constitutional changes to electoral law in 2011? Changing multiple seats per constituency to a single seat per constituency, thus reducing the number of constituency MP's, and increasing proportional party list MP's. Of course this had nothing to do with the fact that in 2007 the dems lost the constituency vote but won the party list vote, Oh no . http://english.people.com.cn/90001/90777/90851/7285017.html And he still couldn't get the party voted in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRSoul Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 (edited) no need to come out at all - here is my proposal - since Suthep wants to interrupt all government services - stop all garbage collection in Bangkok first as long as the siege is in place. Collect money and give all garbage collectors 2-3 weeks fully paid vacation. Fly them to Chiang Mai (they can't go south into Suthepland) where the locals will give them a hero's welcome - pamper them in beautiful hotels and spas - they deserve it they do a very very difficult job every day! Belief me after 2 weeks the latest - Bangkokians (even the so called educated elite) will throw Suthep and his cohorts out of the city and beg the uneducated, stupid laborers they tend look down upon to return !!! Problem solved ! I suppose then they will have to use the army to get rid of the garbage. It worked in 2010. yes sorry- I actually thought about that - but did not write it on here - was afraid it would come across as if the Thai army would be finally good for something - namely collecting garbage! That would be really the only thing I could think of them being good at - except for their highest ranking officers being corrupt and stealing! - Last time I checked the only "enemy" the glorious Thai armed forces ever killed in the last few decades was there own mostly unarmed civilian population by either shooting them or suffocating them without ever being held accountable. Not including a short skirmish with the Cambodians during Abhisit's puppet tenure - before that they did not look so good fighting Laotian soldiers wearing Flip flops in Baan Rom Klao - again - although by accident - killing more of their own Thai soldiers in "friendly fire" then their "enemies" - ups......... not sure now if that was a few days before or after their planes fell out of the sky over Bangkok trying to fly in formation! The Bangkok Post back then called it the "blackest day in the Thai Air Force's history" - although all this seems to have been "erased" from history. It seems that if somebody is actually shooting back at them they run twice as fast backwards than forwards! Shooting unarmed civilians really takes a hero! I am still wondering what "Victory Monument" really stands for? The students they massacred during the October uprising? - and please don't answer me with one of the episodes of "selected" history taught in Thai schools - I have been witness to certain events - and I am able to research and form my own opinion. Be careful what you wish for. The RTA might not be a great military force, but many people remember their assistance during Yingluk's "big" flood. Having them carting garbage when needed would only re-enforce that positive image, not that it's needed in BKK. Edited January 3, 2014 by JRSoul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TVGerry Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 You're wrong. Not everyone is is corrupt or at very least, not AS corrupt. The Shinawatras have taken corruption to a higher plane of existence and that's why they need to go. How do you 'believe' the people of Thailand are capable of electing their own ruler when they keep electing the same kleptomaniacs into power? Why should the people whom didn't vote for the corrupt Shinawatras, have to support with their tax paid all the failed and corrupt schemes this government has put up? 'Promising' democracy. Riiiiiight. Look how the 'promising' democracy has worked so far. I'm not saying democracy should be eliminated but changes should be made to the system before the next elections. Something this government, or rather their Dubai boss doesn't seem to want. You support the idea that if you can't get elected, you change the rules until you can? You support the idea that if you get elected, you change the rules to benefit yourself and your cronies? Do you really want me to bring up abhisits constitutional changes to electoral law in 2011? Changing multiple seats per constituency to a single seat per constituency, thus reducing the number of constituency MP's, and increasing proportional party list MP's. Of course this had nothing to do with the fact that in 2007 the dems lost the constituency vote but won the party list vote, Oh no . http://english.people.com.cn/90001/90777/90851/7285017.html And he still couldn't get the party voted in. Sure! Bring in whatever supports your argument! This is what this forum is about. The most recent 'reconciliation' bill that brought this mess in the first place. Yeah we know what that was about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fab4 Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 no need to be alarmed, Suthep says he is the majority so I guess the reds will be greatly outnumbered and crushed before smoko. What was the red/PTP % of the vote at the last election. NEVER MIND TELLING ME WHAT % DEMS GOT........ without the PAID coalition they would not be in control----LANDSLIDE never in a million years. They got to power OK but S##T it up completely. Please do not give any of the crazy/well meant opposition cr#p Get to grips and let me hear about the achievements of Yingluck (who the people did not vote for ) they voted the reds in) She has had 3 years to make Thailand wealthy, non corrupt, and live up to pre election promises will you agree on this point ???? As I say forget the Dems and Suthep.... Be honest about achievements, do they outweigh the blunders ???? The PTP won 265 seats out of 500 in the last election, the dems 159. Doesn't matter how good or how bad your mathematics knowledge is, surely you can see that the PTP had no need for a coalition. Without a coalition they still would have more seats than all the other parties combined.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whybother Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 Jatuporn is the absolute bottom of the barrel when it comes to the Reds, the amount of lies and incitement through lies that he has gotten away with is disgusting, http://www.nationmultimedia.com/home/Jatuporn-plays-Abhisits-doctored-audio-clip-to-inc-30126504.html Terrible isn't it - On April 6th it is reported that Jatuporn plays doctored tape of abhisit ordering troops to crackdown on the Reds during the last songkran days........ and on April 10th............. ... the red shirts brought out their armed militia. Sent from my phone ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fab4 Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 And don't forget to bring a liter of gasoline each just like last time. You know that's strange, I don't remember them bringing a litre of gasoline each last time. Perhaps you confused a rhetorical speech in a video on you tube with real life. That rhetorical speech may well cost him his real life, or much of it. Really. Well let's wait until the trial shall we. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chooka Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 no need to be alarmed, Suthep says he is the majority so I guess the reds will be greatly outnumbered and crushed before smoko. What was the red/PTP % of the vote at the last election. NEVER MIND TELLING ME WHAT % DEMS GOT........ without the PAID coalition they would not be in control----LANDSLIDE never in a million years. They got to power OK but S##T it up completely. Please do not give any of the crazy/well meant opposition cr#p Get to grips and let me hear about the achievements of Yingluck (who the people did not vote for ) they voted the reds in) She has had 3 years to make Thailand wealthy, non corrupt, and live up to pre election promises will you agree on this point ???? As I say forget the Dems and Suthep.... Be honest about achievements, do they outweigh the blunders ???? NO pro government poster has ever answered this last question. WHY ?????? I have no idea as I am not pro government and definitely not pro Suthep either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whybother Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 And don't forget to bring a liter of gasoline each just like last time. You know that's strange, I don't remember them bringing a litre of gasoline each last time. Perhaps you confused a rhetorical speech in a video on you tube with real life. Maybe because the speech actually was to bring a bottle and to fill it up in Bangkok because there was petrol here. Sent from my phone ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRSoul Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 And don't forget to bring a liter of gasoline each just like last time. You know that's strange, I don't remember them bringing a litre of gasoline each last time. Perhaps you confused a rhetorical speech in a video on you tube with real life. That rhetorical speech may well cost him his real life, or much of it. Really. Well let's wait until the trial shall we. I have been waiting for the trial for some time. As you may know, many of the indicted defendants were given MP positions as a reward for their criminal actions (BTW in breach of electoral law) allowing that trial to be delayed almost indefinitely, or at least until an amnesty bill was passed. Should there not be an elected government for 6 months or so, the court may well proceed - icing on the cake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunped Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 Many comments in this thread is (as with the Thai people) ruled "by the heart". There are a lot of statemantst backed up with facts. "Thaksin takes corruption to a new level" e t c. To my knowledge - working as Communication & PR Director and Thailand Branch Manager - almost every aspect of doing business here in Thailand involves corruption. To my knowledge the corruption of Thaksin Clan was not (is not) that serious. When Shinawat ruled bussiness boomed, Thailand did not have to borrow money and the rural areas got SOMETHING (the usyally gets nothing). At my companys boardroom hung a photo from my company president shaking hands with Thaksin. Many bussiness leaders liked and admired him. What happened then? Thaksin confronted the "feudal" elite (as well as the royal family). This caused the birth of the "Yellow Shirts" and at this time the control of the army was still in the hands of the nobility and thus the coup witch backfired (due to the redshirts and intervention by the KIng). During the time the Yellows ruled (with Suthep as vice PM) - after the miltary stepped down- I recall they took a HUGE loan from Germany. This money just dissappeared (into the pockets of yellowshirt leaders and their masters i presume). Here it would really be reason to investigate. The masters behind the scene are playing masterfully the Thais love for the King and traditional values. I have been reading this thread and wonders about "tingtongteesood"; what is your background? There are hardly any facts and much feelings so I think you are thai... To all - wether Thai or Farlang: Thailand IS NOW A DEMOCRACY! It is in it`s birthstruggle and very, very fragile. I would like to remind you all what happened in neighbouring countries when the poor farmers took to arms (Mao, Pol Phot). The red shirts share the feeling of "nothing to loose" and if not lissened to will be shure to act (violently if need be). The buing of votes from both sides was not as influent as som of you believes and there is a general disregard from the Yellows to acknowledge any genuin support for Thaksin policy. My belief is that the poor have the feeling that Thaksin is much moore preferrable than their "feudal nobility". The question now is where the loaylty of the army lies. I sincerely hopes they will support this fragile democracy and forever turn their back on their feudal history. Some statements from the army supports this, I´m glad to say. If the army do not intervene ther will be a "bloodbath". Finally I will be happy to have this commented, supported, argued with FACTS. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fab4 Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 Jatuporn is the absolute bottom of the barrel when it comes to the Reds, the amount of lies and incitement through lies that he has gotten away with is disgusting, http://www.nationmultimedia.com/home/Jatuporn-plays-Abhisits-doctored-audio-clip-to-inc-30126504.html Terrible isn't it - On April 6th it is reported that Jatuporn plays doctored tape of abhisit ordering troops to crackdown on the Reds during the last songkran days........ and on April 10th............. ... the red shirts brought out their armed militia. Sent from my phone ... No, what happened was suthep, head of CRES and his boss abhisit signed off on orders to send in armed troops to crack down on the UDD. The first shots fired were in the early afternoon and the first person to be shot dead was a UDD supporter. Later in the evening the so called "men in black" (or maybe a rival army faction opposed to Col.Romklao, the jury's still out on that theory) threw a couple of grenades and engaged in gun battles with the army, snipers (or sharpshooters as the army would prefer) adding to the mayhem. Outcome 25 dead, 5 army, 1 Journalist, 19 civilians. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fab4 Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 That rhetorical speech may well cost him his real life, or much of it. Really. Well let's wait until the trial shall we. I have been waiting for the trial for some time. As you may know, many of the indicted defendants were given MP positions as a reward for their criminal actions (BTW in breach of electoral law) allowing that trial to be delayed almost indefinitely, or at least until an amnesty bill was passed. Should there not be an elected government for 6 months or so, the court may well proceed - icing on the cake. Wrong. There is no electoral law that stops people who are awaiting trial from becoming MP's, only if convicted. Otherwise the democrat MP who is on bail awaiting trial for premeditated murder for shooting a PTP official dead in front of witnesses and cctv would not be able to remain a sitting MP. I presume he has resigned like the others - abhisit had refused to ask him to stand down when he was charged with murder. Birds of a feather............ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ginjag Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 no need to be alarmed, Suthep says he is the majority so I guess the reds will be greatly outnumbered and crushed before smoko. What was the red/PTP % of the vote at the last election. NEVER MIND TELLING ME WHAT % DEMS GOT........ without the PAID coalition they would not be in control----LANDSLIDE never in a million years. They got to power OK but S##T it up completely. Please do not give any of the crazy/well meant opposition cr#p Get to grips and let me hear about the achievements of Yingluck (who the people did not vote for ) they voted the reds in) She has had 3 years to make Thailand wealthy, non corrupt, and live up to pre election promises will you agree on this point ???? As I say forget the Dems and Suthep.... Be honest about achievements, do they outweigh the blunders ???? The PTP won 265 seats out of 500 in the last election, the dems 159. Doesn't matter how good or how bad your mathematics knowledge is, surely you can see that the PTP had no need for a coalition. Without a coalition they still would have more seats than all the other parties combined.. They needed to (pay?) take on board enough to govern. I said leave out other opposition. you cannot and you said you had a brain. What percent of the votes did they get ????? 48% landslide eh ?? You failed to answer the other points, WHY ??? it makes your sick in denial rants look bad if you cannot come up front with an answer. You make me believe something I have missed on good governance and you have me converted from Anti to pro. OK. NO reply will totally make my mind up you are a wind up merchant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubl Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 Conveniently forgetting the first grenades starting to drop around end of February 2010 when a court decided to confiscate 47 billion of Thaksin's illgotten wealth, we return to the OP of k. Jatuporn announcing a campaign to 'keep Bangkok open', peacefully of course in traditional UDD style. I may have missed it, but the OP end with "Further details will be announced later". Did we already hear more? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post smutcakes Posted January 3, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted January 3, 2014 no need to be alarmed, Suthep says he is the majority so I guess the reds will be greatly outnumbered and crushed before smoko. What was the red/PTP % of the vote at the last election. NEVER MIND TELLING ME WHAT % DEMS GOT........ without the PAID coalition they would not be in control----LANDSLIDE never in a million years. They got to power OK but S##T it up completely. Please do not give any of the crazy/well meant opposition cr#p Get to grips and let me hear about the achievements of Yingluck (who the people did not vote for ) they voted the reds in) She has had 3 years to make Thailand wealthy, non corrupt, and live up to pre election promises will you agree on this point ???? As I say forget the Dems and Suthep.... Be honest about achievements, do they outweigh the blunders ???? NO pro government poster has ever answered this last question. WHY ?????? I am quite happy to say this Government has been pretty damn awful and done little or no good, however I dont believe they are the first Government to do sweet FA good, and does them being shit justify basically overthrowing the Government and installing some kind of non-elected council or alike? There are crap Governments the world over, and they are elected out in an election, not overthrown by a minority of the population. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ginjag Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 no need to be alarmed, Suthep says he is the majority so I guess the reds will be greatly outnumbered and crushed before smoko. What was the red/PTP % of the vote at the last election. NEVER MIND TELLING ME WHAT % DEMS GOT........ without the PAID coalition they would not be in control----LANDSLIDE never in a million years. They got to power OK but S##T it up completely. Please do not give any of the crazy/well meant opposition cr#p Get to grips and let me hear about the achievements of Yingluck (who the people did not vote for ) they voted the reds in) She has had 3 years to make Thailand wealthy, non corrupt, and live up to pre election promises will you agree on this point ???? As I say forget the Dems and Suthep.... Be honest about achievements, do they outweigh the blunders ???? NO pro government poster has ever answered this last question. WHY ?????? I am quite happy to say this Government has been pretty dam_n awful and done little or no good, however I dont believe they are the first Government to do sweet FA good, and does them being shit justify basically overthrowing the Government and installing some kind of non-elected council or alike? There are crap Governments the world over, and they are elected out in an election, not overthrown by a minority of the population. You post good. The whole point here being Where do you draw the line ??? bad is bad awful is awful, in your face corruption/family friends wealth. Thailand on it's knees through that, and the biggest problem is they have tech., 2 more years. We all can look smart and correct by saying only the next election will tell. The other part of the coalition is one that really gets me, If your main partner is totally awful, why not break off from it, and then an election would have to be held, this should have happened if they were honest with themselves. the other point is why did they team up with Ptp ??? one can only assume MONEY PAID and promises of snouts in the trough. Your point re other countries is another sideline, as most posters have said IN MY COUTRY bla bla....or in other countries bla bla Some other countries do overthrow---Maggie Thatcher was overthrown SHE resigned because she got too BIG for her boots but the Tories went on till the next election---why not Yinglucks family resign, and let the PTP run 2 more years, they were voted in not Yingluck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smutcakes Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 You post good. The whole point here being Where do you draw the line ??? bad is bad awful is awful, in your face corruption/family friends wealth. Thailand on it's knees through that, and the biggest problem is they have tech., 2 more years. We all can look smart and correct by saying only the next election will tell. The other part of the coalition is one that really gets me, If your main partner is totally awful, why not break off from it, and then an election would have to be held, this should have happened if they were honest with themselves. the other point is why did they team up with Ptp ??? one can only assume MONEY PAID and promises of snouts in the trough. Your point re other countries is another sideline, as most posters have said IN MY COUTRY bla bla....or in other countries bla bla Some other countries do overthrow---Maggie Thatcher was overthrown SHE resigned because she got too BIG for her boots but the Tories went on till the next election---why not Yinglucks family resign, and let the PTP run 2 more years, they were voted in not Yingluck. I don't disagree with you, but it may well be that the majority of the people in the country don't want her to resign and they want the Government to carry on. If she resigned now, do you really think Suthep would pack up and go home? As i have said before, in my opinion for Suthep and the forces behind the scene this is nothing to do with corruption, vote buying etc this is a winner take all last gasp push to get a 'friendly' Government before the really big big big thing in Thailand happens. If they do not have a friendly Government in position when that happens, there will be a lot of old politicians and army Generals etc heading for the hills (abroad) full speed ahead. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fab4 Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 And don't forget to bring a liter of gasoline each just like last time. You know that's strange, I don't remember them bringing a litre of gasoline each last time. Perhaps you confused a rhetorical speech in a video on you tube with real life. Maybe because the speech actually was to bring a bottle and to fill it up in Bangkok because there was petrol here. Sent from my phone ... Well not playing with semantics (your stock speciality) but I believe my post was pointing out that the supposed act of bringing a bottle, whether filled with gasoline in Nakon Nowhere or in Bangkok, didn't happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSlatersParrot Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 i remember that at the height of the red protests in 2010 the never managed to amass more then 60,00 to 70,000 people. in this respect one has to say that suthep's movement is much more powerful, even if one doesn't like the man... I wonder where the red shirts are going to hold 500,000 people and NOT bring Bangkok to a stand still?Yes! Please come and make sure the shut down work perfectly. 500,000 people from red? Make sure the middle guys pay your salary in full which is a bit tough. Total rubbishI saw about 150000 in March 2010 at the democracy monument. Later up to 250000 converged on the centre and most had to travel down from the north not just jump into a taxi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ginjag Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 (edited) You post good. The whole point here being Where do you draw the line ??? bad is bad awful is awful, in your face corruption/family friends wealth. Thailand on it's knees through that, and the biggest problem is they have tech., 2 more years. We all can look smart and correct by saying only the next election will tell. The other part of the coalition is one that really gets me, If your main partner is totally awful, why not break off from it, and then an election would have to be held, this should have happened if they were honest with themselves. the other point is why did they team up with Ptp ??? one can only assume MONEY PAID and promises of snouts in the trough. Your point re other countries is another sideline, as most posters have said IN MY COUTRY bla bla....or in other countries bla bla Some other countries do overthrow---Maggie Thatcher was overthrown SHE resigned because she got too BIG for her boots but the Tories went on till the next election---why not Yinglucks family resign, and let the PTP run 2 more years, they were voted in not Yingluck. I don't disagree with you, but it may well be that the majority of the people in the country don't want her to resign and they want the Government to carry on. If she resigned now, do you really think Suthep would pack up and go home? As i have said before, in my opinion for Suthep and the forces behind the scene this is nothing to do with corruption, vote buying etc this is a winner take all last gasp push to get a 'friendly' Government before the really big big big thing in Thailand happens. If they do not have a friendly Government in position when that happens, there will be a lot of old politicians and army Generals etc heading for the hills (abroad) full speed ahead. Ok if you say the majority 48% DID vote for PTP. She was elected by who ???? we do not know at this moment that the country wants HER. the other point is to assume Suthep would not back off IF (the whole family bows out of politics) maybe he would or the people would be far less to demonstrate. Most people are out on the streets because they believe the government was way out of order----corruption near the top of world list----Convict running the government from abroad. In my opinion Suthep is being followed because they have to have a NUT to bring them to the boil. Thai people are taught not to go against authority or elders. This is their way.......or pay them......or an other ??? We want a Fairy godmother to bring forth a super loving Princess as in a fairy tale, to control--someone to respect. If you get my drift. Edited January 3, 2014 by ginjag 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smutcakes Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 You post good. The whole point here being Where do you draw the line ??? bad is bad awful is awful, in your face corruption/family friends wealth. Thailand on it's knees through that, and the biggest problem is they have tech., 2 more years. We all can look smart and correct by saying only the next election will tell. The other part of the coalition is one that really gets me, If your main partner is totally awful, why not break off from it, and then an election would have to be held, this should have happened if they were honest with themselves. the other point is why did they team up with Ptp ??? one can only assume MONEY PAID and promises of snouts in the trough. Your point re other countries is another sideline, as most posters have said IN MY COUTRY bla bla....or in other countries bla bla Some other countries do overthrow---Maggie Thatcher was overthrown SHE resigned because she got too BIG for her boots but the Tories went on till the next election---why not Yinglucks family resign, and let the PTP run 2 more years, they were voted in not Yingluck. I don't disagree with you, but it may well be that the majority of the people in the country don't want her to resign and they want the Government to carry on. If she resigned now, do you really think Suthep would pack up and go home? As i have said before, in my opinion for Suthep and the forces behind the scene this is nothing to do with corruption, vote buying etc this is a winner take all last gasp push to get a 'friendly' Government before the really big big big thing in Thailand happens. If they do not have a friendly Government in position when that happens, there will be a lot of old politicians and army Generals etc heading for the hills (abroad) full speed ahead. Ok if you say the majority 48% DID vote for PTP. She was elected by who ???? we do not know at this moment that the country wants HER. the other point is to assume Suthep would not back off IF (the whole family bows out of politics) maybe he would or the people would be far less to demonstrate. Most people are out on the streets because they believe the government was way out of order----corruption near the top of world list----Convict running the government from abroad. In my opinion Suthep is being followed because they have to have a NUT to bring them to the boil. Thai people are taught not to go against authority or elders. This is their way.......or pay them......or an other ??? We want a Fairy godmother to bring forth a super loving Princess as in a fairy tale, to control--someone to respect. If you get my drift. I think we agree something has to give, we are just differing on how to get there. As i said in a post yesterday i dont have anything against reform, but how in practical terms it would actually be done is very unclear, probably one of the reasons no one has actually given anything other than minor lip service to details of it. Why should the whole family bow out of politics? because some people don't like them? Should Abhisit's family bow out, should Sutheps family bow etc etc out because some people don't like them. If 48% of people want the PTP to run the country with YS as PM, then who are a smaller % of people saying they cannot have that? If 52% of people or however many dont want it, then vote against PTP. We can say many things about people wanting this or that, but at the end of the day as far as I am aware the traditional way of assessing what people in a country as a whole want is via an election, and the only way in my opinion out of this situation long term is for the Democrats or another party to win in an election. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikemac Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 This is what happens when one side of the political divide decides not to play by the rules. Thank Suthep for any violence Quite possibly the most ridiculous and hypocritical comment I have read on TV in the eight years I have reading the forum. Congratulations, you had some stiff opposition. The scary thing is, judging by the number of twits who liked it, there are a whole hoard of people like you out there. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post smutcakes Posted January 3, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted January 3, 2014 This is what happens when one side of the political divide decides not to play by the rules. Thank Suthep for any violence Quite possibly the most ridiculous and hypocritical comment I have read on TV in the eight years I have reading the forum. Congratulations, you had some stiff opposition. The scary thing is, judging by the number of twits who liked it, there are a whole hoard of people like you out there. Seems like you are in the minority both on this board and in Thailand, i don't suppose its occurred to you, that maybe you are being a twit? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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