Non-O (Marraige) / Work Permit

[PatWhittaker]

Hi guys,

My husband has just had an offer for a job here in Bangkok. He is here on Non-O (Marriage) - Single Entry.

He already applied for a 60 days extension and it is valid up until 14 March 2014.

So I have a few questions:

1. Is it possible to apply for a work permit with only about 2 months left on his visa?

If it's possible, will it be a problem extending his stay based on salary?

(Obviously, he wont have his salary slip more than 2 months - he doesn't know exact date when he's going to start the job)

2. If he cannot extend his stay based on salary (and we do not have 400K in Thai Bank), he obviously has to go a border run.

Will work permit be valid then?

3. We are thinking to go out to Laos, to get a new 3 months Non-O just to be safe - what do you suggest?

If there is anything else I should know about or you have any direct experience about this Non-O/Work permit issue, please do share.

Many thanks in advance.

Pat

PS. His company will assist him in getting this visa/work permit though I think they are not familiar with getting a work permit with Non-O.

I prefer him to have Non-O and not Non-B, just in case job doesn't go well.

[isawasnake]

I have been told, from an (always) unreliable source, that you can't get a work permit from a non-o. You must start with a tourist visa. As with most things, this makes no sense whatsoever. You may get some confusion on this one because I think it is a pretty recent development.

[ubonjoe]

No problem to apply for the work permit and have it issued with the time he has remaining.

In order to have 2 or 3 months of tax payments to prove income for the extension he will need to get a new non-o visa.

[PatWhittaker]

Thanks isawasnake and ubonjoe.

Do you know what happens when an extension is refused?? Does he have to leave TH right away?

Will overstay for a month (to get salary slip/tax paper) effect the extension?

[ubonjoe]

I have been told, from an (always) unreliable source, that you can't get a work permit from a non-o. You must start with a tourist visa. As with most things, this makes no sense whatsoever. You may get some confusion on this one because I think it is a pretty recent development.

If it is a non-o or extension based upon marriage to a Thai work permit can be applied for and issued. Income from working can be used to meet the income requirements for an extension based upon marriage also.

Somebody gave you some false info.

[MikeandDow]

Go to savannakhet lao and get 12month multi Non O based on marriage no proof of money required this will give you some breathing space to get organized, and yes you can get a work permit on A Non O based on marriage and this is not a new rule

[ubonjoe]

Thanks isawasnake and ubonjoe.

Do you know what happens when an extension is refused?? Does he have to leave TH right away?

Will overstay for a month (to get salary slip/tax paper) effect the extension?

Extensions of stay based upon marriage are seldom refused. They might ask for more paperwork when you apply is all they do..

It is going to be necessary to make a trip to any nearby consulate or embassy to obtain a new non-o.

A months overstay would cost more than a trip out to get a new visa. The fine is 500 baht per day.

[PatWhittaker]

Thanks isawasnake and ubonjoe.

Do you know what happens when an extension is refused?? Does he have to leave TH right away?

Will overstay for a month (to get salary slip/tax paper) effect the extension?

Extensions of stay based upon marriage are seldom refused. They might ask for more paperwork when you apply is all they do..

It is going to be necessary to make a trip to any nearby consulate or embassy to obtain a new non-o.

A months overstay would cost more than a trip out to get a new visa. The fine is 500 baht per day.

Thanks Ubonjoe... I guess a trip to Suvannakhet will have to be done.

Thanks for your help!

Pat

[PatWhittaker]

Go to savannakhet lao and get 12month multi Non O based on marriage no proof of money required this will give you some breathing space to get organized, and yes you can get a work permit on A Non O based on marriage and this is not a new rule

Thanks MikeandDow... I think we'll do just what you suggested.

Thanks for your help

Pat

[Colabamumbai]

I have been told, from an (always) unreliable source, that you can't get a work permit from a non-o. You must start with a tourist visa. As with most things, this makes no sense whatsoever. You may get some confusion on this one because I think it is a pretty recent development.

Bangkok Immigration will do a lot of things, like tourist to Non B, without going to Laos, changing visa types, that the smaller offices may not do.

As you folks here helped me out recently when I was on T. visa, between jobs and was going to get a Non O for retirement at the time, then got another offer of work, but since written contract would end in less than 90 days, teachers waiver was slow in coming or not applied for by the school, a Non B would not be obtainable at the time.

[ubonjoe]

I have been told, from an (always) unreliable source, that you can't get a work permit from a non-o. You must start with a tourist visa. As with most things, this makes no sense whatsoever. You may get some confusion on this one because I think it is a pretty recent development.

Bangkok Immigration will do a lot of things, like tourist to Non B, without going to Laos, changing visa types, that the smaller offices may not do.

As you folks here helped me out recently when I was on T. visa, between jobs and was going to get a Non O for retirement at the time, then got another offer of work, but since written contract would end in less than 90 days, teachers waiver was slow in coming or not applied for by the school, a Non B would not be obtainable at the time.

If you are implying that a non-b is required you are wrong.

There many people working on visas and extensions based upon marriage to a Thai. There are even special regulations for work permits for those married to a Thai.

[jaykuzi]

Go to Savanaket and get a multiple non-o based on marriage. No money in bank needed. Then no problem with work permit.

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[isawasnake]

I have been told, from an (always) unreliable source, that you can't get a work permit from a non-o. You must start with a tourist visa. As with most things, this makes no sense whatsoever. You may get some confusion on this one because I think it is a pretty recent development.

Bangkok Immigration will do a lot of things, like tourist to Non B, without going to Laos, changing visa types, that the smaller offices may not do.

As you folks here helped me out recently when I was on T. visa, between jobs and was going to get a Non O for retirement at the time, then got another offer of work, but since written contract would end in less than 90 days, teachers waiver was slow in coming or not applied for by the school, a Non B would not be obtainable at the time.

If you are implying that a non-b is required you are wrong.

There many people working on visas and extensions based upon marriage to a Thai. There are even special regulations for work permits for those married to a Thai.

Yes, that may have been true, and even continues to be true for some for a certain time, but I inquired about getting a "marriage visa" and subsequently a work permit at the official immigration office I was using (it was actually a Thai doing the asking), and I was informed this was not allowed anymore, at that specific immigration office (on that particular day).

[ubonjoe]

I have been told, from an (always) unreliable source, that you can't get a work permit from a non-o. You must start with a tourist visa. As with most things, this makes no sense whatsoever. You may get some confusion on this one because I think it is a pretty recent development.

Bangkok Immigration will do a lot of things, like tourist to Non B, without going to Laos, changing visa types, that the smaller offices may not do.

As you folks here helped me out recently when I was on T. visa, between jobs and was going to get a Non O for retirement at the time, then got another offer of work, but since written contract would end in less than 90 days, teachers waiver was slow in coming or not applied for by the school, a Non B would not be obtainable at the time.

If you are implying that a non-b is required you are wrong.

There many people working on visas and extensions based upon marriage to a Thai. There are even special regulations for work permits for those married to a Thai.

Yes, that may have been true, and even continues to be true for some for a certain time, but I inquired about getting a "marriage visa" and subsequently a work permit at the official immigration office I was using (it was actually a Thai doing the asking), and I was informed this was not allowed anymore, at that specific immigration office (on that particular day).

Immigration does not issue work permits. The are done by the labor ministry, That could be why you got incorrect information.

[MikeandDow]

I have been told, from an (always) unreliable source, that you can't get a work permit from a non-o. You must start with a tourist visa. As with most things, this makes no sense whatsoever. You may get some confusion on this one because I think it is a pretty recent development.

Bangkok Immigration will do a lot of things, like tourist to Non B, without going to Laos, changing visa types, that the smaller offices may not do.

As you folks here helped me out recently when I was on T. visa, between jobs and was going to get a Non O for retirement at the time, then got another offer of work, but since written contract would end in less than 90 days, teachers waiver was slow in coming or not applied for by the school, a Non B would not be obtainable at the time.

If you are implying that a non-b is required you are wrong.

There many people working on visas and extensions based upon marriage to a Thai. There are even special regulations for work permits for those married to a Thai.

Yes, that may have been true, and even continues to be true for some for a certain time, but I inquired about getting a "marriage visa" and subsequently a work permit at the official immigration office I was using (it was actually a Thai doing the asking), and I was informed this was not allowed anymore, at that specific immigration office (on that particular day).

Why do you think they issue non O visa based on marriage it is to stay with the wife also to support her, now how can you support her if you are wealth you just give her the money if not you WORK and you need a work permit, nothing to do with imm its the labour dept you need to go to with a Non O or a b visa and in some case's you can get a work permit on a Non O -A, you need to get you facts right

[isawasnake]

Bangkok Immigration will do a lot of things, like tourist to Non B, without going to Laos, changing visa types, that the smaller offices may not do.

As you folks here helped me out recently when I was on T. visa, between jobs and was going to get a Non O for retirement at the time, then got another offer of work, but since written contract would end in less than 90 days, teachers waiver was slow in coming or not applied for by the school, a Non B would not be obtainable at the time.

If you are implying that a non-b is required you are wrong.

There many people working on visas and extensions based upon marriage to a Thai. There are even special regulations for work permits for those married to a Thai.

Yes, that may have been true, and even continues to be true for some for a certain time, but I inquired about getting a "marriage visa" and subsequently a work permit at the official immigration office I was using (it was actually a Thai doing the asking), and I was informed this was not allowed anymore, at that specific immigration office (on that particular day).

Why do you think they issue non O visa based on marriage it is to stay with the wife also to support her, now how can you support her if you are wealth you just give her the money if not you WORK and you need a work permit, nothing to do with imm its the labour dept you need to go to with a Non O or a b visa and in some case's you can get a work permit on a Non O -A, you need to get you facts right

First, why are you asking me? I did not set this up.

Get my facts right? I asked the person directly at the source... the lady running the immigration office. I wanted this because I dont want to have to run out if I lose my job. I think you need to get your facts straight, and as I said, the facts are these things change over time and even change from which place you go. As I said she mentioned this was a new regulation. And, to answer your question, they issue non-o i suppose so you can bring your money over and support/visit your wife. It is not a "working" visa. Just giving you their probably logic, not mine.

[isawasnake]

Bangkok Immigration will do a lot of things, like tourist to Non B, without going to Laos, changing visa types, that the smaller offices may not do.

As you folks here helped me out recently when I was on T. visa, between jobs and was going to get a Non O for retirement at the time, then got another offer of work, but since written contract would end in less than 90 days, teachers waiver was slow in coming or not applied for by the school, a Non B would not be obtainable at the time.

If you are implying that a non-b is required you are wrong.

There many people working on visas and extensions based upon marriage to a Thai. There are even special regulations for work permits for those married to a Thai.

Yes, that may have been true, and even continues to be true for some for a certain time, but I inquired about getting a "marriage visa" and subsequently a work permit at the official immigration office I was using (it was actually a Thai doing the asking), and I was informed this was not allowed anymore, at that specific immigration office (on that particular day).

Immigration does not issue work permits. The are done by the labor ministry, That could be why you got incorrect information.

That is true, and I understand, but she was obviously saying I could not get the proper non-b visa from here with a non-o, to then get the work permit elsewhere. I have heard this from multiple sources too. This is not a clear part of the thai visa regulations. This stuff can be easy when you are reading on here, but when you go out and actually do it in the real world you can run into problems.

[ubonjoe]

You cannot change non immigrant visa types at immigration in any case. The only way to go from a non-o to a B visa would be to leave and get a visa at a embassy or consulate.

You can get an extension of stay based upon working with a non-o visa if you have a work permit.

You can get a work permit with a non-o visa or extension of stay based upon marriage to a Thai or having a Thai child. And then get an extension of stay based on the same reason using your income from working to meet the 40k baht requirement.

[Charlie1]

I have been told, from an (always) unreliable source, that you can't get a work permit from a non-o. You must start with a tourist visa. As with most things, this makes no sense whatsoever. You may get some confusion on this one because I think it is a pretty recent development.

Bangkok Immigration will do a lot of things, like tourist to Non B, without going to Laos, changing visa types, that the smaller offices may not do.

As you folks here helped me out recently when I was on T. visa, between jobs and was going to get a Non O for retirement at the time, then got another offer of work, but since written contract would end in less than 90 days, teachers waiver was slow in coming or not applied for by the school, a Non B would not be obtainable at the time.

If you are implying that a non-b is required you are wrong.

There many people working on visas and extensions based upon marriage to a Thai. There are even special regulations for work permits for those married to a Thai.

And where to find information about those "special regulations for work permits for those married to a Thai"?

[ubonjoe]

Here is topic with regulations dated 2004. http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/18599-new-department-of-employment-regulations/

But they were changed in late 2010 or early 2011 but they were not made public.

[Thaiready]

Sure can thats what I have.....If he makes 40,000 b a month he can keep his visa

[Suradit69]

I have been told, from an (always) unreliable source, that you can't get a work permit from a non-o. You must start with a tourist visa. As with most things, this makes no sense whatsoever. You may get some confusion on this one because I think it is a pretty recent development.

Umm, your credibility doesn't increase as your souce(s) of information go from one always unreliable source, to the "person directly at the source," to "multiple sources, too."

As you say, "As with most things, this makes no sense whatsoever."

Either you or whoever you claim asked on your behalf didn't pose the questions clearly or interpret the answer clearly.

I have been told, from an (always) unreliable source,

I asked the person directly at the source... the lady running the immigration office.

I have heard this from multiple sources too.

[MikeandDow]

Umm, your credibility doesn't increase as your souce(s) of information go from one always unreliable source, to the "person directly at the source," to "multiple sources, too."

As you say, "As with most things, this makes no sense whatsoever."

Either you or whoever you claim asked on your behalf didn't pose the questions clearly or interpret the answer clearly.

I have been told, from an (always) unreliable source,

I asked the person directly at the source... the lady running the immigration office.

I have heard this from multiple sources too.

agree credibility zero probably a poster back in the uk thinks he know all about thailand lot on here like that

[PatWhittaker]

I just have another question before taking off to Savannakhet tomorrow.

Does he has to do a border run every 90 days even when he has a work permit?

Otherwise, I'm thinking of getting a single non o instead as we should be able to extend his stay based on employment.

Just added:

By employment - I understand that I can use his salary (min 40K) and tax paper to extend his stay.

I just read another threat - and that he can get an extension based on our child as well.

The bottom line is I do not want him to do a border run every 90 days. I'm fine with 90 days report though which we did once a few years back without leaving the country.

FYI, I called 1111 asking about numbers of salary slip required by immigration when extending the stay based on employment with non-o (Marriage). She said there's no information in that regard, only that the immigration will need a letter from the employer stating the salary or job contract. anyone has direct experience?

Thanks

Pat

[Mario2008]

If he has to make a border run every 90 days depends on his situation.

The work permit itself is not enough to get an extension. It depends on his job and nationality what the income requirements are.

For a teacher for example there is no minimum income requirement, for working for a business there is an income requirement of 50,000 a month for most western nationalities. But based on marriage the income only needs to be 40,000 a month.

[Mario2008]

To add, the immigration official was right. In case of a job that has just started payment slips, contract and if possible a tax-receipt for the first month income should be enough.

[macgver]

Go to savannakhet lao and get 12month multi Non O based on marriage no proof of money required this will give you some breathing space to get organized, and yes you can get a work permit on A Non O based on marriage and this is not a new rule

What do the Royal Thai Consulate need to apply Non-Immigrant O for one year? If it is more easy, then I will run there and do it.

[SouthernMan3]

Thanks isawasnake and ubonjoe.

Do you know what happens when an extension is refused?? Does he have to leave TH right away?

Will overstay for a month (to get salary slip/tax paper) effect the extension?

Extensions of stay based upon marriage are seldom refused. They might ask for more paperwork when you apply is all they do..

It is going to be necessary to make a trip to any nearby consulate or embassy to obtain a new non-o.

A months overstay would cost more than a trip out to get a new visa. The fine is 500 baht per day.

And overstay looks bad in the passport.

30+ years and I haven't had one yet.

Walk the straight line and everything will be O K.

If you need clarification you may P M me.

I can find it ALL out for you from my big buddies in immigration here kap

[ChinesePanda]

Going to Savanaket Laos for Non O marriage visa then do I have to bring my thai wife along?

Kindly let me know what other paper required besides the marriage cert.

Thanks

[ubonjoe]

Going to Savanaket Laos for Non O marriage visa then do I have to bring my thai wife along?

Kindly let me know what other paper required besides the marriage cert.

Thanks

Your wife does not need to go with you.

You need copies of her ID card and house book signed and dated by her. Copy of marriage certificate signed by both of you and dated. Copy of your passport photo page and Lao visa/entry stamp.