Thaksin 'urges Yingluck to stay' as Prayuth demurs

[Scott]

An inflammatory post has been removed. Please don't attribute remarks to other posters that they did not make.

[GrantSmith]

I find it very difficult to believe that the rest of the world would accept Yingluck being held accountable if "something happens". What kind of rubbish is this? Thailand would become (even more of) an international laughing stock in the event that an elected PM is held responsible for the actions of anti-democratic street thugs. That would lead to sanctions, trade embargoes, investors fleeing the country, ASEAN intervention. It's complete rubbish. Classics case of blaming the victim.

It really is audacious of the general to tell the elected leader that she would be held responsible.

Think the source of the source maybe full of SAUCE himself. This exchange never happened. Hello, if it indeed did, the Army would have jumped all over it, remember he doesnt exactly like Thaksin and Yingluk....

So you're saying that Chalerm is the inside source?

Brilliant...

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[LuckyLew]

I find it very difficult to believe that the rest of the world would accept Yingluck being held accountable if "something happens". What kind of rubbish is this? Thailand would become (even more of) an international laughing stock in the event that an elected PM is held responsible for the actions of anti-democratic street thugs. That would lead to sanctions, trade embargoes, investors fleeing the country, ASEAN intervention. It's complete rubbish. Classics case of blaming the victim.

PTP are tying to hold prevous gov't responsible for crackdown in 2010

so the same should be true for current gov't if there is a crack down

[love1012]

Prbkk - I dont want to reply to you again but i see you are very misguided man.Thailand CANNOT move on from Thaksin he is using his wealth to STOP us from doing that. Also can you see that you are providing false fact - you are misrepresenting fact -in 2010 Red people bring guns and shoot rockets at innocent people in Silom. They post stickers on walls around Bangkok and proclaim "President Thaksin" Do you not understand that as long as this man is here there will never be any rest for anyone. My own University was having student shot three weeks ago - unarmed students - yet you need we move on from thaksin - why you think he go to Kampouchea so much to talk to Hun Sen? You are farang we dont expect you to know same as we know - but please - do not call us trett thugs and insult us like this!!

[GeorgeO]

What a caring brother he is, protecting her from a gaol term. Sent from my iPad using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app

It's total nonsense. The constitution is not carved in stone, and she could easily be given an assurance by all parties that she would not be prosecuted if she stood down "for the good of the country".

This is purely Thaksin clutching at the last vestiges of power so that the Amnesty Bill can be resurrected and he can come home.

[bkkjames]

Prbkk - I dont want to reply to you again but i see you are very misguided man.Thailand CANNOT move on from Thaksin he is using his wealth to STOP us from doing that. Also can you see that you are providing false fact - you are misrepresenting fact -in 2010 Red people bring guns and shoot rockets at innocent people in Silom. They post stickers on walls around Bangkok and proclaim "President Thaksin" Do you not understand that as long as this man is here there will never be any rest for anyone. My own University was having student shot three weeks ago - unarmed students - yet you need we move on from thaksin - why you think he go to Kampouchea so much to talk to Hun Sen? You are farang we dont expect you to know same as we know - but please - do not call us trett thugs and insult us like this!!

Consider the source Love before generalizing about farangs - water off a duck's back and all that.

One voice (perhaps a noisy one) doesn't speak for everyone.

[livingthedream]

You couldn't make this up .....oh wait they probably just did!

[Spartakos]

Evil Taksin won't let the lady quit and those pesky protesters occupied most of the best shopping places. There is no fun being prime minister anymore

[GeorgeO]

Prbkk - I dont want to reply to you again but i see you are very misguided man.Thailand CANNOT move on from Thaksin he is using his wealth to STOP us from doing that. Also can you see that you are providing false fact - you are misrepresenting fact -in 2010 Red people bring guns and shoot rockets at innocent people in Silom. They post stickers on walls around Bangkok and proclaim "President Thaksin" Do you not understand that as long as this man is here there will never be any rest for anyone. My own University was having student shot three weeks ago - unarmed students - yet you need we move on from thaksin - why you think he go to Kampouchea so much to talk to Hun Sen? You are farang we dont expect you to know same as we know - but please - do not call us trett thugs and insult us like this!!

Well said ... many of us here are getting tired of Prbkk's totally one-sided (and ill-considered) view of the situation here. He talks about how ridiculous it is that Yingluck can be held responsible, and yet spews out venomous comments on how Abhisit and Suthep should be jailed, or even killed...!

You should ignore Prbkk's comments because, as you so rightly point out, he is a very misguided individual!

[Baerboxer]

I find it very difficult to believe that the rest of the world would accept Yingluck being held accountable if "something happens". What kind of rubbish is this? Thailand would become (even more of) an international laughing stock in the event that an elected PM is held responsible for the actions of anti-democratic street thugs. That would lead to sanctions, trade embargoes, investors fleeing the country, ASEAN intervention. It's complete rubbish. Classics case of blaming the victim.

Your usual double standards? Unless of course, you are prepared to state that Thaksin, Jatporn, Nattawut, Arisman and all the other 2010 terrorist insurrection leaders should equally be held accountable.

Are you?

[Johnnie99]

I saw this post late (that is, three minutes after it was posted) and so my comment is appearing on page 3 or 4.

I am going to say it anyway - will she still say she isn't obeying his commands?

[bangkokpoppys]

... "and talked via Skype with Thaksin, who said the Constitution did not allow her to resign"... "She would face a jail term, he warned."

This is hilarious. A fugitive criminal instructing the caretaker PM not to step down. Not even Monty Python could come up with comedy like this.

I thing you're right….

Q "Apart from nana plaza, Russian's in Pattaya, the rice pledging scheme, OTOP, car tax incentives and cheap beer, what have the Shinawatra's ever done for us?"

A "Brought peace."

[Baerboxer]

Prbkk - I dont want to reply to you again but i see you are very misguided man.Thailand CANNOT move on from Thaksin he is using his wealth to STOP us from doing that. Also can you see that you are providing false fact - you are misrepresenting fact -in 2010 Red people bring guns and shoot rockets at innocent people in Silom. They post stickers on walls around Bangkok and proclaim "President Thaksin" Do you not understand that as long as this man is here there will never be any rest for anyone. My own University was having student shot three weeks ago - unarmed students - yet you need we move on from thaksin - why you think he go to Kampouchea so much to talk to Hun Sen? You are farang we dont expect you to know same as we know - but please - do not call us trett thugs and insult us like this!!

Please do not assume all farang are as one sided, blinkered and opinionated as this. Most of us are not and have a great respect for Thailand, the Thai people and their culture.

This particular poster has a track record of dismissing any form of comment against Thaksin whilst supporting anything against the protest and its leaders, regardless of the facts. Please treat his comments accordingly.

[pookiki]

Would it be to much to ask for The Nation to state the source of these articles? Otherwise, I tend to think they are only planted propaganda pieces - similar to that of Surin's letter yesterday.

[Chao Lao Beach]

Forget all the Shinagians of Thaksin, Reds & Yellows, <deleted> is the Army doing protecting state building in plain cloths ?

[fma]

I find it very difficult to believe that the rest of the world would accept Yingluck being held accountable if "something happens". What kind of rubbish is this? Thailand would become (even more of) an international laughing stock in the event that an elected PM is held responsible for the actions of anti-democratic street thugs. That would lead to sanctions, trade embargoes, investors fleeing the country, ASEAN intervention. It's complete rubbish. Classics case of blaming the victim.

Do not underestimate the legal system in Thailand. They often come up with paradoxes.

Adding to that, the protesters and even Gen. Prayuth have stated that all negative outcomes (violence, coup, international criticism, rain, heat, moody girlfriends etc.) is caused by Thaksin and thus, his 'puppet'.

By 'something happens' I believe we need to think of the reaction from the people who voted her into office. They will not be happy campers when Saviour Suthep is anointed.

[Baerboxer]

waza

So that means Thaksin is manipulating his sister with unsubstantiated threats of imprisonment if she doesn't do what he says and remains in the caretaker PM position, even though it is against her will. What a great and thoughtful brother he is.

The reality is Thaksin doesn't want Yingluck to resign because he will loose control of the government and that leaves them open to a uncontrolled investigation of their corrupt practices. This would obviously lead to charges for most of the PTP members and maybe prison sentences. No wonder the blanket amnesty bill is so important for this administration, Yingluck must stay in her role, win the election and push through the blanket amnesty bill then she is free to resign.

Yes.

Very shrewd and accurate analysis! I think you're spot on. Needs her in power on the day the amnesty bill comes back to parliament so she can push it through and any form of independent forensic audit would be a disaster for PTP.

If he ever gets back here, physically in control, watch her being dumped, along with a few others who will also be past their 'sell by date". Hope he's not being learning new tricks from the NK dictator on removing unwanted family members!

[ALLSEEINGEYE]

I find it very difficult to believe that the rest of the world would accept Yingluck being held accountable if "something happens". What kind of rubbish is this? Thailand would become (even more of) an international laughing stock in the event that an elected PM is held responsible for the actions of anti-democratic street thugs. That would lead to sanctions, trade embargoes, investors fleeing the country, ASEAN intervention. It's complete rubbish. Classics case of blaming the victim

so then why is the current Government charging the previous PM and deputy PM with murder for clearing a violent and unruly mob in 2010? Do as I say not as I do? Red clowns!!!

[jacko45k]

Hmm, I am thinking his interference is what triggered all this off in the first place.

Just can't get him to be quiet and do what is best for the country for once!

[Docno]

Hard to imagine an army chief in a western democracy talking to an elected leader in this way. Can you imagine Chuck Hagel telling Obama, 'I'm not going to give you my opinion, but if you get it wrong, it's on your head and you will see what happens next'? People here keep saying that the Isaan farmers don't understand democracy. Well, they're not the ones I worry about....

[gerry1011]

Very good advice from Thaksin.

Yingluck is doing a great job as a peaceful PM against these criminal mobs.

If she steps down she will be accused of neglecting her duty.

And in any case, even if she steps down Suthep would "upgrade" again his irrational protests and demand that all PT ministers, MPs, families, friends and supporters, and their cats and dogs, and and and... step down too... Till Suthep and his thugs are in power and can dictate what to do to the majority.

So, indeed, the country is much better with Yingluck as a PM than without!

I wish her the best

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[bristolgeoff]

pulling strings until the end,then you can join me in Dubai when my plane comes to pick you up my darling sister

[ginjag]

Very good advice from Thaksin.

Yingluck is doing a great job as a peaceful PM against these criminal mobs.

If she steps down she will be accused of neglecting her duty.

And in any case, even if she steps down Suthep would "upgrade" again his irrational protests and demand that all PT ministers, MPs, families, friends and supporters, and their cats and dogs, and and and... step down too... Till Suthep and his thugs are in power and can dictate what to do to the majority.

So, indeed, the country is much better with Yingluck as a PM than without!

I wish her the best

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The best wind up post of the year. All the poster is saying get every dreg of Baht you can PM even if were already bankrupt.

[Prbkk]

Prbkk - I dont want to reply to you again but i see you are very misguided man.Thailand CANNOT move on from Thaksin he is using his wealth to STOP us from doing that. Also can you see that you are providing false fact - you are misrepresenting fact -in 2010 Red people bring guns and shoot rockets at innocent people in Silom. They post stickers on walls around Bangkok and proclaim "President Thaksin" Do you not understand that as long as this man is here there will never be any rest for anyone. My own University was having student shot three weeks ago - unarmed students - yet you need we move on from thaksin - why you think he go to Kampouchea so much to talk to Hun Sen? You are farang we dont expect you to know same as we know - but please - do not call us trett thugs and insult us like this!!

Yes, I understand you don't like criticism or questioning. Perhaps that's why , in a post yesterday, you advised foreigners to leave Thailand if they didn't like what is happening and that too many farang had been listening to their Isaan wives. You are not quite the ingenue you appear at first glance.

And a student of RU? Well, indeed we have all seen the pictrues of those peaceful RU students students attacking innocent citizens in taxis and on a bus, and those arrested with guns.

Many of the protesters are peaceful. Some are thugs. I have not provided any "false facts".

Edited January 14, 2014 by Prbkk

[ginjag]

Hard to imagine an army chief in a western democracy talking to an elected leader in this way. Can you imagine Chuck Hagel telling Obama, 'I'm not going to give you my opinion, but if you get it wrong, it's on your head and you will see what happens next'? People here keep saying that the Isaan farmers don't understand democracy. Well, they're not the ones I worry about....

UK is not in a super state at the moment, BUT can you imagine Thaksin family in charge there for 3 years without an outcry. In your face corruption.

The PM here would not get away with 6 months of this in UK. She would be long gone down the road with no choice of an election.

[SOTIRIOS]

....pathetic.....

[gladaseya]

What's really fun about blogs is reading the opinions of so many people with diverse viewpoints.

In a poker game, most would walk out shirtless. <laugh>

Here you all are, dolling out comment like they have some value. I'm assuming you are all just very bored. <sigh>

So what am I doing sitting at a computer passing out judgment on others? Well, I'm injured, physically, so that's my excuse.

What's yours?

PS Unless you are an international lawyer, remember ignorance Is bliss and smile.

Edited January 14, 2014 by metisdead
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[Maggusoil]

What a caring brother he is, protecting her from a gaol term. Sent from my iPad using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app

Yes he's all heart and the bribees of Isaan know he's all money

[pkspeaker]

OMG are you serious, it is not a crime for the PM to talk to her brother, it is not a crime for Thaksin to encourage his sister to resist the fascist who want to turn this country into a dictatorship, it is not a crime for her to call her brother and ask for advise, on any issue, he doesn't have any authority but he can be influential. I love they way you say the law should be 'modernized' you call that modern? It's modern to abolish freedom of speech, the PM cannot talk to her brother and all her communications should be monitored in case she commits this crime.

What authority does this man have from a legal standpoint on this situation?

Could this article (if taken from statements directly from her and also possibly from the brawler himself) be an admission of associating with and acting on behalf for the benefit of a known fugitive?

If Thai law does not cover this kind of activity then perhaps it is time Thai law was modernised into the digital era to reflect this type of crime. This goes not only for dialogue between PTP and Thaksin but all other fugitives of the Kingdom - he is not the first and will not be the last unless the law is changed.

[scorecard]

Hard to imagine an army chief in a western democracy talking to an elected leader in this way. Can you imagine Chuck Hagel telling Obama, 'I'm not going to give you my opinion, but if you get it wrong, it's on your head and you will see what happens next'? People here keep saying that the Isaan farmers don't understand democracy. Well, they're not the ones I worry about....

This is not a western country.

The armed forces relationship with 'elected' government is different in pretty much every country in the world.

The armed forces relationships with the populace is different in every country.