Protest leader Suthep rejects govt's win-win resolution

[webfact]

Protest leader Suthep rejects govt's win-win resolution
By Digital Content



BANGKOK, Jan 15 – Protest leader Suthep Thaugsuban lashed out at the embattled government for its win-win proposition to end the political stalemate, insisting that the Thai people will be the only winner in the showdown.

He told a huge crowd at Pathumwan last night that the Thaksin regime must be completely wiped out and Yingluck Shinawatra must leave the caretaker premiership to pave the way for a national reform by the people.

He said protesters have flatly turned down the government’s proposal to postpone the general election from Feb 2 to May 4, adding that “We are not interested in delaying the election for a few months. Thai people who own the country are focusing on the future of the new generations. There is no compromise with the Thaksin regime.”

“We are not arrogant. People have been patient for a decade and witnessed the country shattered with their own eyes. The government and Parliament have exploited the people’s power for their own interest. They are traitors and tyrants, compelling the people to reclaim their sovereignty,” said Mr Suthep.

The former deputy prime minister said he has been repeatedly asked on how many days the Bangkok shutdown will last.

“My reply was: Don’t ask. This time we will fight until we win. People said they are willing to fight though it may take years. Please don’t pressure or negotiate with me. I’m only the medium of the people.”

Mr Suthep said he will present a gold whistle to Patchanan Leeluan who courageously blew her whistle at Ms Yingluck during the latter’s recent visit to Khao Kor in Phetchabun province.

“Wherever you meet her (Ms Yingluck), blow your whistle at her. We have more gold whistles ready for you,” he said good-naturedly.

Akanat Promphan, spokesman of the anti-government People’s Democratic Reform Committee (PDRC) , said the group will definitely not participate in the government’s initiated political forum today.

If the government resigns from its caretaker status, we will be willing to talk, he said.

Mr Suthep is scheduled to lead a march from Asoke intersection to Ekamai and Thonglor, off Sukhumvit Road, today to urge people to join the Bangkok shutdown which was kicked off on Monday. (MCOT online news)


-- TNA 2014-01-15

[Tarric]

Once again the PTP and Yingluck give more ground and Suthep refuses to even sit down and talk.

At the end of the day Suthep can sit down and talk about reform and if the PDRC don't get what they want they can go right back to protesting as is their right.

Once again its painfully clear Suthep has no interest in peace or negeotiation merely stirring the pot until finally the army are forced to step in. Beyond that he has no real hope for victory or any other avenue for acheiving any of his stated goals.

Even the Democrats are sitting down with other groups today for peace/reform talks and if they can get what they want Suthep will be hung out to dry or at the very least forced into a humiliating retreat after all his grandiose rhetoric.

[robblok]

Actually this is not much of a give by the YL administration its almost sure the elections will be postponed. It says nothing about tackling corruption and such. Why accept what he already has.

Come with a real offer and then they can talk, without change new elections are meaningless.

I get tired of these demonstrations too wonder how long he can keep crowds comming

[kotsak]

"Torn all apart, all in the name of democracy."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omW5lGqtlRg

[Thait Spot]

Once again the PTP and Yingluck give more ground and Suthep refuses to even sit down and talk.

At the end of the day Suthep can sit down and talk about reform and if the PDRC don't get what they want they can go right back to protesting as is their right.

Once again its painfully clear Suthep has no interest in peace or negeotiation merely stirring the pot until finally the army are forced to step in. Beyond that he has no real hope for victory or any other avenue for acheiving any of his stated goals.

Even the Democrats are sitting down with other groups today for peace/reform talks and if they can get what they want Suthep will be hung out to dry or at the very least forced into a humiliating retreat after all his grandiose rhetoric.

The government has been in power for 2.5 years

The government had it's chance for reconciliation - and blew it

They had their chance for a just amnesty bill for their supporters - they blew it

They had their chance to use their house majority to legislate fairly and legally - they blew it

Who in their right mind would trust them now?

[LivinLOS]

Actually this is not much of a give by the YL administration its almost sure the elections will be postponed. It says nothing about tackling corruption and such. Why accept what he already has.

Come with a real offer and then they can talk, without change new elections are meaningless.

I get tired of these demonstrations too wonder how long he can keep crowds comming

But what precisely does he demand.. "tackling corruption and such" does not government policy make !!

[mamypoko]

Once again the PTP and Yingluck give more ground and Suthep refuses to even sit down and talk.

At the end of the day Suthep can sit down and talk about reform and if the PDRC don't get what they want they can go right back to protesting as is their right.

Once again its painfully clear Suthep has no interest in peace or negeotiation merely stirring the pot until finally the army are forced to step in. Beyond that he has no real hope for victory or any other avenue for acheiving any of his stated goals.

Even the Democrats are sitting down with other groups today for peace/reform talks and if they can get what they want Suthep will be hung out to dry or at the very least forced into a humiliating retreat after all his grandiose rhetoric.

The government has been in power for 2.5 years

The government had it's chance for reconciliation - and blew it

They had their chance for a just amnesty bill for their supporters - they blew it

They had their chance to use their house majority to legislate fairly and legally - they blew it

Who in their right mind would trust them now?

Vote them out?

[DocN]

God, I am getting so sick of this ranting lunatic!

Protest all you want and how long you want, but pleeeeeeease shut up!

[love1012]

Once again the PTP and Yingluck give more ground and Suthep refuses to even sit down and talk.

At the end of the day Suthep can sit down and talk about reform and if the PDRC don't get what they want they can go right back to protesting as is their right.

Once again its painfully clear Suthep has no interest in peace or negeotiation merely stirring the pot until finally the army are forced to step in. Beyond that he has no real hope for victory or any other avenue for acheiving any of his stated goals.

Even the Democrats are sitting down with other groups today for peace/reform talks and if they can get what they want Suthep will be hung out to dry or at the very least forced into a humiliating retreat after all his grandiose rhetoric.

The government has been in power for 2.5 years

The government had it's chance for reconciliation - and blew it

They had their chance for a just amnesty bill for their supporters - they blew it

They had their chance to use their house majority to legislate fairly and legally - they blew it

Who in their right mind would trust them now?

Vote them out?

cant - elections all rigged and people bribed and threatened

[Thait Spot]

Once again the PTP and Yingluck give more ground and Suthep refuses to even sit down and talk.

At the end of the day Suthep can sit down and talk about reform and if the PDRC don't get what they want they can go right back to protesting as is their right.

Once again its painfully clear Suthep has no interest in peace or negeotiation merely stirring the pot until finally the army are forced to step in. Beyond that he has no real hope for victory or any other avenue for acheiving any of his stated goals.

Even the Democrats are sitting down with other groups today for peace/reform talks and if they can get what they want Suthep will be hung out to dry or at the very least forced into a humiliating retreat after all his grandiose rhetoric.

The government has been in power for 2.5 years

The government had it's chance for reconciliation - and blew it

They had their chance for a just amnesty bill for their supporters - they blew it

They had their chance to use their house majority to legislate fairly and legally - they blew it

Who in their right mind would trust them now?

Vote them out?

There are a couple of points I would like to make to that proposal:

Firstly the fact that the PTP were able to lie and cheat in the house and go unpunished needs to be fixed

Secondly - once the above has been fixed, elections are the perfect solution.

Nobody, apart from the rabid frothy-mouthed Thaksinners, could accept that the 2nd Feb election without the Dems is an antidote for anything

[Thait Spot]

God, I am getting so sick of this ranting lunatic!

Protest all you want and how long you want, but pleeeeeeease shut up!

If you don't like what he is saying then tear yourself away from your Internet and do something else.

[animatic]

Once again the PTP and Yingluck give more ground and Suthep refuses to even sit down and talk.

At the end of the day Suthep can sit down and talk about reform and if the PDRC don't get what they want they can go right back to protesting as is their right.

Once again its painfully clear Suthep has no interest in peace or negeotiation merely stirring the pot until finally the army are forced to step in. Beyond that he has no real hope for victory or any other avenue for acheiving any of his stated goals.

Even the Democrats are sitting down with other groups today for peace/reform talks and if they can get what they want Suthep will be hung out to dry or at the very least forced into a humiliating retreat after all his grandiose rhetoric.

The government has been in power for 2.5 years

The government had it's chance for reconciliation - and blew it

They had their chance for a just amnesty bill for their supporters - they blew it

They had their chance to use their house majority to legislate fairly and legally - they blew it

Who in their right mind would trust them now?

The clearly goal is not, nor ever has been, coming to a deal with those who have never been fair dealers.

The goal is unequivocally to remove Thaksin's hands from the reigns of Thailand's government.

So any deal made to short of that is a non-starter,

because they do not believe any deal made would be honored.

Edited January 15, 2014 by animatic

[LivinLOS]

Once again the PTP and Yingluck give more ground and Suthep refuses to even sit down and talk.

At the end of the day Suthep can sit down and talk about reform and if the PDRC don't get what they want they can go right back to protesting as is their right.

Once again its painfully clear Suthep has no interest in peace or negeotiation merely stirring the pot until finally the army are forced to step in. Beyond that he has no real hope for victory or any other avenue for acheiving any of his stated goals.

Even the Democrats are sitting down with other groups today for peace/reform talks and if they can get what they want Suthep will be hung out to dry or at the very least forced into a humiliating retreat after all his grandiose rhetoric.

The government has been in power for 2.5 years

The government had it's chance for reconciliation - and blew it

They had their chance for a just amnesty bill for their supporters - they blew it

They had their chance to use their house majority to legislate fairly and legally - they blew it

Who in their right mind would trust them now?

Vote them out?

cant - elections all rigged and people bribed and threatened

Nonsense.. Merely the majority like the populist policies..

[RedNIvar]

Once again the PTP and Yingluck give more ground and Suthep refuses to even sit down and talk.

At the end of the day Suthep can sit down and talk about reform and if the PDRC don't get what they want they can go right back to protesting as is their right.

Once again its painfully clear Suthep has no interest in peace or negeotiation merely stirring the pot until finally the army are forced to step in. Beyond that he has no real hope for victory or any other avenue for acheiving any of his stated goals.

Even the Democrats are sitting down with other groups today for peace/reform talks and if they can get what they want Suthep will be hung out to dry or at the very least forced into a humiliating retreat after all his grandiose rhetoric.

The government has been in power for 2.5 years

The government had it's chance for reconciliation - and blew it

They had their chance for a just amnesty bill for their supporters - they blew it

They had their chance to use their house majority to legislate fairly and legally - they blew it

Who in their right mind would trust them now?

Vote them out?

cant - elections all rigged and people bribed and threatened

Yep, and the Democrats have admitted to spending more money than PTP to bribe and buy votes. The EC clearly looks like they are in favour of Suthep.

And now everyone is against the current government, over 5 million people showed up in Bangkok the last time to oppose them.

I don't see how the PTP will have a chance in hell in winning the election.

I think Suthep should take them on in an election. They have everything going against the PTP.

IMHO.

[Publicus]

An insurrection is a rebellion against civilian authority, an attempt by certain citizens together to force one faction in government power out so it can put itself in, and to do so by extra-constitutional means with extra-constitutional purposes and goals.

The central aspect of manifest insurrection is that there isn't any compromise, no matter what.

An insurrection isn't about negotiating or compromising or any of this pansy let's sit down and talk this thingy through stuff. Suthep and his people are fixed on the overthrow of the legitimately and democratically elected government and are determined to nullify the constitutionally scheduled election of Feb 2nd.

Equally vile, Suthep and his circle advocate establishing a still anonymous feudal council that would rule absolutely for some promised future time yet without any checks and balances or any direct oversight or use-by date certain.

My position and point of view is clear and simple: To oppose insurrection, to oppose nullifying the constitution and the election, and against establishing an anonymous feudal council that is elitist and unaccountable. In doing so I needn't defend anything or anyone and I would indeed be hard pressed to defend this government and many of its policies.

However, defending the policies, behaviors or actions of the government is not the issue. The issue is extra-constitutionalism and I oppose it. I do defend democracy and the democratically elected government, even if that means putting a government policy and personnel clothespin on my nose.

The absolute intransigence that characterizes the insurrectionists reminds me of the notorious US insurrectionist John Brown, the absolute and violent abolitionist of the anti-bellum USA who in his fanaticism took his entire family down with him.

Edited January 15, 2014 by Publicus

[maxme]

Here's the thing... protest all you want, lie, twist and blame on the person you see fit because it doesn´t matter.

Both sides have showed their true colors, whether it's occupying an airport, taking passengers as hostages, burning down malls, throwing grenades or shooting into a crowd, do hit and runs on cops or effectively ruining everybodys day by hindering ordinary people from going to work, the list goes on...

Once the fog has lifted and people dispurse and go back to their ordinary lives. Nobody is going to remember the struggle, people are only going to remember some numbnuts in a backwater country fighting out on the playground. But do not worry, the nightlife with the go-go bars, the rip-offs and the annoying visa runs are still going to exist because that's all Thailand is remembered for and so it will be continued to be.

This is not a fight for democracy, it´s a fight between several elite bullies and their brilliant manipulation of the sheep. What is interesting to see is how many of the so called expats want to join the flock. It would be quite entertaining if it weren´t for that people´s lives are at stake in this madness.

[Thailand]

I would bet any money that the last thing Suthep would want is an election, no chance whatsoever of legitimately defeating the PTP. He is still clinging on to the coup option,what else has he got?

Edited January 15, 2014 by Thailand

[Just1Voice]

Once again the PTP and Yingluck give more ground and Suthep refuses to even sit down and talk.

At the end of the day Suthep can sit down and talk about reform and if the PDRC don't get what they want they can go right back to protesting as is their right.

Once again its painfully clear Suthep has no interest in peace or negeotiation merely stirring the pot until finally the army are forced to step in. Beyond that he has no real hope for victory or any other avenue for acheiving any of his stated goals.

Even the Democrats are sitting down with other groups today for peace/reform talks and if they can get what they want Suthep will be hung out to dry or at the very least forced into a humiliating retreat after all his grandiose rhetoric.

The government has been in power for 2.5 years

The government had it's chance for reconciliation - and blew it

They had their chance for a just amnesty bill for their supporters - they blew it

They had their chance to use their house majority to legislate fairly and legally - they blew it

Who in their right mind would trust them now?

Vote them out?

cant - elections all rigged and people bribed and threatened

Funny you say that, seeing as how Korn - Dem Party - flatly admitted that they Dems spent MORE than PTP on last election and that "vote buying", had NO bearing on the outcome of the election.

[binjalin]

Thai people who own the country are focusing on the future of the new generations

Who is HE to talk for Thai people? let them talk at the election - Respect Their Vote Khun Suthep

[binjalin]

Once again the PTP and Yingluck give more ground and Suthep refuses to even sit down and talk.

At the end of the day Suthep can sit down and talk about reform and if the PDRC don't get what they want they can go right back to protesting as is their right.

Once again its painfully clear Suthep has no interest in peace or negeotiation merely stirring the pot until finally the army are forced to step in. Beyond that he has no real hope for victory or any other avenue for acheiving any of his stated goals.

Even the Democrats are sitting down with other groups today for peace/reform talks and if they can get what they want Suthep will be hung out to dry or at the very least forced into a humiliating retreat after all his grandiose rhetoric.

The government has been in power for 2.5 years

The government had it's chance for reconciliation - and blew it

They had their chance for a just amnesty bill for their supporters - they blew it

They had their chance to use their house majority to legislate fairly and legally - they blew it

Who in their right mind would trust them now?

let's carry on please?

The Dems were in power and had every opportunity for their 'reforms' - they blew it

Suthep was Deputy PM and had every chance to put forward his case - he blew it

The Dems had an election and LOST - they blew it

Who in their right mind would vote for them now? answer? not the vast majority of Thai people - don't believe it? hold an ELECTION

[Cricketnut]

Once again the PTP and Yingluck give more ground and Suthep refuses to even sit down and talk.

At the end of the day Suthep can sit down and talk about reform and if the PDRC don't get what they want they can go right back to protesting as is their right.

Once again its painfully clear Suthep has no interest in peace or negeotiation merely stirring the pot until finally the army are forced to step in. Beyond that he has no real hope for victory or any other avenue for acheiving any of his stated goals.

Even the Democrats are sitting down with other groups today for peace/reform talks and if they can get what they want Suthep will be hung out to dry or at the very least forced into a humiliating retreat after all his grandiose rhetoric.

Seems quite simple to me. The man wants money and power, yes that simplistic. They are doing so much damage to Thailand both from a fiscal point of view and international credibility....

Sent from my i-mobile i-STYLE 8.2 using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app

[kurtgruen]

The headline is a joke already..."Win-Win", for who? Thaksin and Yingluck? Because they are putting nothing on the table, that changes anything, aside from the election date, which is a joke, because she already knows, that the February 2nd date, is a flop.

I live in the North and more and more people, are laughing, at their election trucks going by. She has turned from Puppet Prime Minister, into a joke.

No matter, how much, some of you would love these protesters to "conveniently" go away, I think that is very unlikely to happen, in the near future.

[Tarric]

Once again the PTP and Yingluck give more ground and Suthep refuses to even sit down and talk.

At the end of the day Suthep can sit down and talk about reform and if the PDRC don't get what they want they can go right back to protesting as is their right.

Once again its painfully clear Suthep has no interest in peace or negeotiation merely stirring the pot until finally the army are forced to step in. Beyond that he has no real hope for victory or any other avenue for acheiving any of his stated goals.

Even the Democrats are sitting down with other groups today for peace/reform talks and if they can get what they want Suthep will be hung out to dry or at the very least forced into a humiliating retreat after all his grandiose rhetoric.

Seems quite simple to me. The man wants money and power, yes that simplistic. They are doing so much damage to Thailand both from a fiscal point of view and international credibility....

Sent from my i-mobile i-STYLE 8.2 using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app

Indeed, the number of projects that are being canned or postponed by foreign companies is growing by the day. Its costing jobs and destroying livelyhoods from the top to the bottom of the country.

For a country that wants to be the pride and centre of ASEAN the political situation is pathetic to be polite. Thailand could be a shining beacon of a successful, progressive, democratic nation for all of the developing world to want to emulate. Instead you have a corrupt millionaire with his billionaire backers (Suthep) fighting a corrupt billionaire and his minions (Thaksin) for control of the giant corruption pie that is Thai government power.

The really sad thing about this entire situation is the fact that so many average Thai's actually think Suthep and/or Thaksin is actually looking out for the country or the people's best interests. They are out for themselves and their fellow elites for power, money and control, there is nothing altruistic about it.

Edit: Grammar

Edited January 15, 2014 by Tarric

[toybits]

IN the meantime, the Thai Nation suffers - thanks to Mr. Suthep and his "peaceful" crowd.

[animatic]

Tarric jan 15 2014

Once again the PTP and Yingluck give more ground and Suthep refuses to even sit down and talk.

Tarric 15 Jan 2014

At the end of the day Suthep can sit down and talk about reform and if the PDRC don't get what they want they can go right back to protesting as is their right.

Once again its painfully clear Suthep has no interest in peace or negeotiation merely stirring the pot until finally the army are forced to step in. Beyond that he has no real hope for victory or any other avenue for acheiving any of his stated goals.

Even the Democrats are sitting down with other groups today for peace/reform talks and if they can get what they want Suthep will be hung out to dry or at the very least forced into a humiliating retreat after all his grandiose rhetoric.

The government has been in power for 2.5 years

The government had it's chance for reconciliation - and blew it

They had their chance for a just amnesty bill for their supporters - they blew it

They had their chance to use their house majority to legislate fairly and legally - they blew it

Who in their right mind would trust them now?

Vote them out?

cant - elections all rigged and people bribed and threatened

Funny you say that, seeing as how Korn - Dem Party - flatly admitted that they Dems spent MORE than PTP on last election and that "vote buying", had NO bearing on the outcome of the election.

When Korn said 'spent more ', he meant on ads and posters,

not on bribing the populace or funding the political machines manipulations of the populace..

[Emptyset]

Once again the PTP and Yingluck give more ground and Suthep refuses to even sit down and talk.

At the end of the day Suthep can sit down and talk about reform and if the PDRC don't get what they want they can go right back to protesting as is their right.

Once again its painfully clear Suthep has no interest in peace or negeotiation merely stirring the pot until finally the army are forced to step in. Beyond that he has no real hope for victory or any other avenue for acheiving any of his stated goals.

Even the Democrats are sitting down with other groups today for peace/reform talks and if they can get what they want Suthep will be hung out to dry or at the very least forced into a humiliating retreat after all his grandiose rhetoric.

The government has been in power for 2.5 years

The government had it's chance for reconciliation - and blew it

They had their chance for a just amnesty bill for their supporters - they blew it

They had their chance to use their house majority to legislate fairly and legally - they blew it

Who in their right mind would trust them now?

Vote them out?

There are a couple of points I would like to make to that proposal:

Firstly the fact that the PTP were able to lie and cheat in the house and go unpunished needs to be fixed

Secondly - once the above has been fixed, elections are the perfect solution.

Nobody, apart from the rabid frothy-mouthed Thaksinners, could accept that the 2nd Feb election without the Dems is an antidote for anything

How are they going unpunished? The judicial process is taking place and many think the problem with the "independent" agencies is that they are biased against the govt, not corrupted by the govt. So why not let them get on with it? Some guy using multiple cards to vote and a dodgy draft bill doesn't really justify bringing down the elected govt and installing an unelected council. Neither does lying. If you thought lying was a reason to get rid of a govt, then Abhisit's govt and probably every govt in the history of the world should be replaced by a dictatorship too.

Because we all know that unlike elected governments, dictatorships tend to be a paradigm of corruption free honesty and decency...

[Mampara]

First it was within a few days, then it was within a few weeks, then it was within a month, NOW he says it may take years!,

[whybother]

Once again the PTP and Yingluck give more ground and Suthep refuses to even sit down and talk.

At the end of the day Suthep can sit down and talk about reform and if the PDRC don't get what they want they can go right back to protesting as is their right.

Once again its painfully clear Suthep has no interest in peace or negeotiation merely stirring the pot until finally the army are forced to step in. Beyond that he has no real hope for victory or any other avenue for acheiving any of his stated goals.

Even the Democrats are sitting down with other groups today for peace/reform talks and if they can get what they want Suthep will be hung out to dry or at the very least forced into a humiliating retreat after all his grandiose rhetoric.

Yingluck wants to stay. Suthep wants her gone. There is no middle ground.

[rubl]

Once again the PTP and Yingluck give more ground and Suthep refuses to even sit down and talk.

At the end of the day Suthep can sit down and talk about reform and if the PDRC don't get what they want they can go right back to protesting as is their right.

Once again its painfully clear Suthep has no interest in peace or negeotiation merely stirring the pot until finally the army are forced to step in. Beyond that he has no real hope for victory or any other avenue for acheiving any of his stated goals.

Even the Democrats are sitting down with other groups today for peace/reform talks and if they can get what they want Suthep will be hung out to dry or at the very least forced into a humiliating retreat after all his grandiose rhetoric.

The government has been in power for 2.5 years

The government had it's chance for reconciliation - and blew it

They had their chance for a just amnesty bill for their supporters - they blew it

They had their chance to use their house majority to legislate fairly and legally - they blew it

Who in their right mind would trust them now?

let's carry on please?

The Dems were in power and had every opportunity for their 'reforms' - they blew it

Suthep was Deputy PM and had every chance to put forward his case - he blew it

The Dems had an election and LOST - they blew it

Who in their right mind would vote for them now? answer? not the vast majority of Thai people - don't believe it? hold an ELECTION

There's more to democracy than just 'holding and winning' an election. It's a mindset, a behaviour, social responsability, etc., etc. If it was just 'elections' we could ask North Korea how to do the '99.8% in favour'

[Scamper]

The interesting nugget out of this article is that the administration - which has doggedly told the EC that they cannot delay the election - seems to be quite prepared to do just that. It's funny how expediency always somehow rules the day for Pheu Thai ! Alas, this form of expediency only happens when Thaksin has no other options to remain in power. And that underscores just how effective this protest has been. This is an administration that exhausted its options as soon as the election was called on December 9, because in that act, they had inadvertently locked themselves onto a path of perpetual dissolution, and the inability to govern. So change has already come. It's just that - after years of monopolized power - Thaksin simply doesn't see it yet. It's a given, of course, that he also doesn't want to see it.