transam Posted February 2, 2014 Share Posted February 2, 2014 Dont forget the Daimler / Jag V8 that was put to sleep by William Lyons.He didnt want Rover to have so hence it was of G.M. they bought the rights. Politics at work. I loved the Daimler (Hemi) V8 ( 2.5 & 4.5)..........Triumph V8.............. ( Ki Gas ) ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transam Posted February 2, 2014 Share Posted February 2, 2014 No googling now , in my opinion the Chevy small block V8 engine is one of the best most simplistic engineering manufacture designs ever and is still going strong near 60 years on. My question, how many do you think have been produced ? No takers eh.... Well,...........100,000,000 (and still counting) have been produced.............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transam Posted February 2, 2014 Share Posted February 2, 2014 OK, more . You have all heard of Nitrous Oxide injection to make instant HP. The N2O is not the propellant, it just provides Oxygen to an additional measured amount of fuel. The additional fuel in a regular nitrous hoped up ride is delivered at between 6 to 9 psi. What optimum pressure is the nitrous oxide injected at to mix with the 6 to 9 psi fuel. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daffy D Posted February 2, 2014 Share Posted February 2, 2014 What a fascinating amazing and informative thread. Just to add my little bit here is a photo I came across on another thread, can any one identify this engine? Rotary Engine!.jpg No, but it did or dose have a propeller in operation.......... Sounds like it was a Non-Running one-off Pratt & Whitney - so yes a propeller would have been in order Quote:- "Pratt & Whitney 5600XBSAP It was apparently on display at the Reno Air Races, and I've found pictures from different angles; so I'm guessing it's not 'shopped. I found a website where there is speculation that it is a non-running 'one-off' design. I haven't been able to find anything about it; whether it ever ran, or if it was a mock-up. AFAIK, the biggest radial P&W built was the R4360, which had 28 cylinders. This one has 56, so I assume it was made of two R4360s stacked together. But was it ever intended to run?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace of Pop Posted February 2, 2014 Share Posted February 2, 2014 OK, more . You have all heard of Nitrous Oxide injection to make instant HP. The N2O is not the propellant, it just provides Oxygen to an additional measured amount of fuel. The additional fuel in a regular nitrous hoped up ride is delivered at between 6 to 9 psi. What optimum pressure is the nitrous oxide injected at to mix with the 6 to 9 psi fuel. ? Laughing Gas . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transam Posted February 2, 2014 Share Posted February 2, 2014 OK, more . You have all heard of Nitrous Oxide injection to make instant HP. The N2O is not the propellant, it just provides Oxygen to an additional measured amount of fuel. The additional fuel in a regular nitrous hoped up ride is delivered at between 6 to 9 psi. What optimum pressure is the nitrous oxide injected at to mix with the 6 to 9 psi fuel. ? Laughing Gas . Ki-Gas.............. ........................... ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transam Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 OK, more . You have all heard of Nitrous Oxide injection to make instant HP. The N2O is not the propellant, it just provides Oxygen to an additional measured amount of fuel. The additional fuel in a regular nitrous hoped up ride is delivered at between 6 to 9 psi. What optimum pressure is the nitrous oxide injected at to mix with the 6 to 9 psi fuel. ? No takers ...................N2O is injected at around1000psi, yes 1000psi..... ... from a cylinder/bottle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilcopops Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 Its recommended solvent was Meths; petrol, oil, kerosene would have no effect on it and it would never harden. Required a minute amount on each face to be effective. Still about the best of its type on the market. It didn't work on my hedder flanges . I found a ''copper'' silicone sealer, it worked. Course when I applied it I had to start the engine to blast away sqeased out internal stuff, but it worked... Worked pretty well on hastily built 12 cylinder supercharged monsters though. And why did I have a problem and perhaps the Merlin didn't on the hedder (exhaust manifold) flanges ? They were cast iron? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace of Pop Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 The First Tubo Production Car. Who Made it.?. Dont Google and spoil it, ive done that, and i was miles out, and surprised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transam Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 Its recommended solvent was Meths; petrol, oil, kerosene would have no effect on it and it would never harden. Required a minute amount on each face to be effective. Still about the best of its type on the market. It didn't work on my hedder flanges . I found a ''copper'' silicone sealer, it worked. Course when I applied it I had to start the engine to blast away sqeased out internal stuff, but it worked... Worked pretty well on hastily built 12 cylinder supercharged monsters though. And why did I have a problem and perhaps the Merlin didn't on the hedder (exhaust manifold) flanges ? They were cast iron? Look at post #137... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transam Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 The First Tubo Production Car. Who Made it.?. Dont Google and spoil it, ive done that, and i was miles out, and surprised. I thought perhaps Saab 99..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilcopops Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 (edited) Dont forget the Daimler / Jag V8 that was put to sleep by William Lyons.He didnt want Rover to have so hence it was of G.M. they bought the rights. Politics at work. I think this Willy Lyons story is somewhat apocryphal. At the time the British Motor industry was going downhill fast and merging into that abomination BL. Problem being they didn't want to be making several V*s - not a format used in the Brit industry that much and Rover had been developing the Buick/GM thing for a long time, Triumph had their stag and Daimler had theirs - simply too many. Yes - Hassan and co were the originators of the inline 6 at Jag and were pretty possessive about it, but they were out producing Daimlers and when you are trying to streamline product and production it didn't make sense to have that many V8s being made. The Daimler "hemi" was not without its problems either - there had been a lot of problems associated with getting the heads to fit.... The stark overview of the British Motor industry in the 60s and 70s was that they had a wide range of products (too wide to be economical) and none of them was actually very good when it came to competing on a world market. Edited February 3, 2014 by wilcopops Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilcopops Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 I think the US produced th first turbo production cars.......... although turbo engines are vey old. I was particularly fond of the Broadspeed Bullit in the UK....I have a personal connection to that vehicle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilcopops Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 Worked pretty well on hastily built 12 cylinder supercharged monsters though. And why did I have a problem and perhaps the Merlin didn't on the hedder (exhaust manifold) flanges ? They were cast iron? Look at post #137... Yes, very crude...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transam Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 From factory the Pontiac did have cast iron exhaust manifolds that required a fork lift to remove/install . Of course with my tunning it needed tubed manifolds with larger primaries. The head bolt location was the problem. As I wanted 2" primaries A flange was installed using countersunk headed bolts, then the manifolds were bolted to these. Can just see in my photo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VocalNeal Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 The First Tubo Production Car. Who Made it.?. Dont Google and spoil it, ive done that, and i was miles out, and surprised. I thought perhaps Saab 99..... I would have gone Saab, but now you've said it isn't and without Google Corvair turbo? Or whatever Ralf Nadder's favourite flat six was called. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transam Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 The First Tubo Production Car. Who Made it.?. Dont Google and spoil it, ive done that, and i was miles out, and surprised. I thought perhaps Saab 99..... I would have gone Saab, but now you've said it isn't and without Google Corvair turbo? Or whatever Ralf Nadder's favourite flat six was called. Old's......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VocalNeal Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 (edited) I think the reason for my seal problem is clear looking at the photos, Merlin had 4 bolts per exhaust port and no exhaust system to navigate and operated at under 3000rpm, my Pontiac had 2 bolts for 2 outer ports and 2 bolts for the Siamese ports and operated up to just under 7000rpm through an exhaust system. Plus my ports were opened up bigger than those in the photo. Merlin heads.jpg............Pontiac head.jpg Not sure but we may have had less and we were pulling up to 8,000rpm and ridiculously under-square! ( insert train wreck smiley) Extra points for the engine. Edited February 3, 2014 by VocalNeal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VocalNeal Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 The First Tubo Production Car. Who Made it.?. Dont Google and spoil it, ive done that, and i was miles out, and surprised. I thought perhaps Saab 99..... I would have gone Saab, but now you've said it isn't and without Google Corvair turbo? Or whatever Ralf Nadder's favourite flat six was called. Old's......... I cheated so know I know. Brings the forum back to the Rover 2000 sort of? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NBD Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 Wasn't it the Buick something or other that the Rover V8 was derived from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transam Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 Wasn't it the Buick something or other that the Rover V8 was derived from? Yep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NBD Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 There we go, the Buick 215, adapted by Oldsmobile to the Jetfireengine in 1962. Long time ago! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NBD Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 Does that mean it's my turn? Ok, what was the first multivalve engine fitted to a car? And when? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transam Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 Does that mean it's my turn? Ok, what was the first multivalve engine fitted to a car? And when? Do you mean more than 2 valves per cylinder ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NBD Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 Yes more than two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transam Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 Yes more than two. Bugatti....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace of Pop Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 Does that mean it's my turn? Ok, what was the first multivalve engine fitted to a car? And when? That could. include reed valve and 2 Stroke engines ,Clackers, Benzine and any type of Engine, So No, Its Not Your Turn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VocalNeal Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 Yes more than two. Bugatti....... No but close...I had to look. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace of Pop Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 Why do Connolly, the finest Brit Leather Upholstery suppliers buy from Scandinavia, when they have their own Cows. One of them i married back in the Sixties. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NBD Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 A badly formed question! How about first car with more than two valves per cylinder. Any fuel type, road or track. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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