Pheu Thai Party strikes back, wants Democrat Party dissolution

[Lite Beer]

Pheu Thai Party strikes back, wants Democrat Party dissolution
By Digital Content

BANGKOK, Feb 5 – Thailand's Pheu Thai Party today lodged a complaint with the Election Commission (EC), seeking to dissolve the rival Democrat Party for cooperating with anti-government protesters to disrupt Sunday’s general election.

Pheu Thai spokesman Prompong Nopparit submitted a petition letter to the EC chairman, charging the Democrat Party with breaching Section 68 of the Constitution in its attempt to abolish Thailand’s administrative system.

He also provided documents and video clips of Democrats’ activities, including political demonstrations, obstruction of the pre-election process and disruption of the polls both during the Jan 26 advance election and Feb 2 general election.

He said the Democrat Party’s petition to the Constitution Court through the Office of the Ombudsman yesterday was an attempt to remove the Yingluck Shinawatra caretaker government.

Mr Prompong said, “Problems in the country were created by the Democrat Party, starting from party leader Abhisit Vejjajiva, to party members and Suthep Thaugsuban, secretary general of the People’s Democratic Reform Committee, all of whom have refused to abide by the law.

“The government has dissolved the Lower House and issued a royal decree for a general election but the Democrat Party refused to contest, claiming they wanted a national reform. Their activities are mainly for their political interest.”

Mr Suthep was former Democrat deputy leader and deputy prime minister in the Abhisit government in 2009-2011. (MCOT online news)

-- TNA 2014-02-05

[Costas2008]

Pheu Thai Party The Empire strikes back.

[kikoman]

The Democrats feel that the court system belongs to them as they act as the dogs for the elite, Democrats are in a very risky situation legally, maybe so far in to cash in their get of jail free ticket.

All the problems faced in Bangkok was the idea and work hatched by the Democrat party!

Cheers

[icommunity]

Good try. However, their grandfathers will cuddle the dem in their arms and let them continue to suck from milk bottles and playing with their pacifiers - whistle.

[retsdon]

The government has dissolved the Lower House and issued a royal decree for a general election but the Democrat Party refused to contest, claiming they wanted a national reform. Their activities are mainly for their political interest.

Can't argue with that really. Just stating the facts.

[icommunity]

Ombudsman???? To the CC??? Well i guess must be the extended family of dem. I think is their step-father.

Edited February 5, 2014 by icommunity

[MunterHunter]

A bunch of corrupt criminals trying to take down the democrat party through the courts...

Ironic or what?

[laurentbkk]

I thought politicians were suppose to be serious ... I just see a bunch of kids in a kinder garden ..... just wonder how people can still have faith in Thai politics ...

[jonclark]

Mr Prompong said, “Problems in the country were created by the Democrat Party.."

Oh sweet Jesus i think I've just done myself an injury laughing so much.

[xminator]

Neither party should be dissolved. But the situation shows that some sort of amendment is needed to punish mass resignation from parliament. That is a real issue.

However, politicians that can be proved to have obstructed voting should get the same punishment as someone tearing up a ballot.

Also resigning from parliament should automatically give a 5 year ban. This would not matter for anyone resigning due to health, they would not be likely to register again, but it would remove the undemocratic method of mass resigning from parliament to obstruct the democratic process.

Democrats have to learn they will not get a majority by themselfs, if they want power they have to form alliances and sell that idea to the voters. Threatening to take away rights from a large number of voters will never win them an election.

[Scamper]

" Their activities are mainly for their political interest. "

For a moment, it seemed Prompong was referring to the Pheu Thai party - or any party for that matter !

Pheu Thai has lost sight of the big picture. The big picture is that their administration is devoid of power, and is in danger of being stripped of its office regardless as to whether the Democratic party is banned to the planet Krypton or not. They are being challenged by the courts for a variety of offences that will lead to its impeachment. As Abhisit is ushered into the next capsule destined for interplanetary space, Pheu Thai's problems remain completely intact. Getting rid of the opposition will not bring back their parliament, or the trust of the men and women on the streets, or the farmers, or the bankers. Pheu Thai should now occupy their days going over incriminating rice scheme paper-trails with the same trepidation that Richard Nixon had when reviewing the Watergate tapes.

[ShannonT]

The government has dissolved the Lower House and issued a royal decree for a general election but the Democrat Party refused to contest, claiming they wanted a national reform. Their activities are mainly for their political interest.

Can't argue with that really. Just stating the facts.

The Democrats want national reform - but we don't even know if the majority of Thais want this reform or not.

Shouldn't there be a referendum be held first to ask if Thais even want this? Because if only the minority Democrats want it, it doesn't mean that it has to be implemented. After all, they haven't won an election in over 20 years.

And on top of that, the current election laws were signed and passed by Abhisit and Suthep before the 2011 elections. They thought that changing the election laws would help them win the election. Then in 2011 they lost and now they want to change it again.

Maybe they're not losing elections due to the law, but due to the fact that Thais do not want them in office.

They should clean up their own party first. But again, if they want reforms so bad, then a referendum is the way to go, not a street mob.

[blabth]

The situation would be absurd that even a author of a movie could not come up with this story. The court will close the PTP and expel more than 300 old or new MPs and also the Democratic Party abusing the constitution para 68 and also not allow the members of the party to be involved for 5 years in parliament. No parliament only solution the appointed committee as proposed by Suthep. Therefore Suthep should support the PTP in the request to dissolute the Democratic Party. At least he would get what he wants. And he was not a member of the Democrats during his initiated crisis. I am sure that is Suthep's master plan.

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[Issangeorge]

I think the best thing to happen to Thailand right now would be for both parties to be banned and their executives and executives of the past three months to be banned for five years. Then neither side could complain about bias and Thailand could start anew.

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[KarenBravo]

This country more and more resembles a children's play-ground with every passing day........

[JRSoul]

The government has dissolved the Lower House and issued a royal decree for a general election but the Democrat Party refused to contest, claiming they wanted a national reform. Their activities are mainly for their political interest.

Can't argue with that really. Just stating the facts.

The Democrats want national reform - but we don't even know if the majority of Thais want this reform or not.

Shouldn't there be a referendum be held first to ask if Thais even want this? Because if only the minority Democrats want it, it doesn't mean that it has to be implemented. After all, they haven't won an election in over 20 years.

And on top of that, the current election laws were signed and passed by Abhisit and Suthep before the 2011 elections. They thought that changing the election laws would help them win the election. Then in 2011 they lost and now they want to change it again.

Maybe they're not losing elections due to the law, but due to the fact that Thais do not want them in office.

They should clean up their own party first. But again, if they want reforms so bad, then a referendum is the way to go, not a street mob.

"we don't even know if the majority of Thais want this reform or not.'

Well 55% didn't bother to vote, and many more voted NO, which seems to indicate they do want reform.

[ShannonT]

The government has dissolved the Lower House and issued a royal decree for a general election but the Democrat Party refused to contest, claiming they wanted a national reform. Their activities are mainly for their political interest.

Can't argue with that really. Just stating the facts.

The Democrats want national reform - but we don't even know if the majority of Thais want this reform or not.

Shouldn't there be a referendum be held first to ask if Thais even want this? Because if only the minority Democrats want it, it doesn't mean that it has to be implemented. After all, they haven't won an election in over 20 years.

And on top of that, the current election laws were signed and passed by Abhisit and Suthep before the 2011 elections. They thought that changing the election laws would help them win the election. Then in 2011 they lost and now they want to change it again.

Maybe they're not losing elections due to the law, but due to the fact that Thais do not want them in office.

They should clean up their own party first. But again, if they want reforms so bad, then a referendum is the way to go, not a street mob.

"we don't even know if the majority of Thais want this reform or not.'

Well 55% didn't bother to vote, and many more voted NO, which seems to indicate they do want reform.

Didn't bother to vote or were prevented from voting? And "many more" voted "No Vote", how many?

A "No Vote" does not mean I want or don't want reforms, does it? Or was there something printed on the ballot in regards to reforms? When I wrote the post, I never expected someone to give such a ridiculous answer, so I'm giving you a chance to go back and post again, but this time something that makes sense.

Thank you.

[ramrod711]

Pheu Thai spokesman Prompong Nopparit submitted a petition letter to the EC chairman, charging the Democrat Party with breaching Section 68 of the Constitution in its attempt to abolish Thailand’s administrative system.

Just one small problem with that Prompong, the entire Democrat party resigned before Suthep took to the streets. So what are you going to dissolve, a party with no members? Looks like that old fox Suthep outsmarted you again, not that it's much of an accomplishment. I think Prompong must have been in Chalerms ear medicine.

[mamypoko]

I'm absolutely stunned! Two political parties meeting in the playground after school? Who'd thunk it?

Be a kick if the courts dissolved both parties.

Massage guy wins by default.

[Soutpeel]

I think the best thing to happen to Thailand right now would be for both parties to be banned and their executives and executives of the past three months to be banned for five years. Then neither side could complain about bias and Thailand could start anew.

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But who then runs the country ?.....a council ?......thought this what the protests were all about LOL

[Gummigalgen]

Pheu Thai Party The Empire strikes back.

I do not agree. The majority of Thailand strikes back.

[ratcatcher]

The Democrats feel that the court system belongs to them as they act as the dogs for the elite, Democrats are in a very risky situation legally, maybe so far in to cash in their get of jail free ticket.

All the problems faced in Bangkok was the idea and work hatched by the Democrat party!

Cheers

".....as they act as the dogs for the elite,....."

I believe the popular but cliched term is "capitalist running dogs". Woof! Woof!

In the meantime, let's just wait and see if your predictions come true.

[djjamie]

And if the DEM's are dissolved I won't like the result. I won't even agree with it, but I will accept it. That's what you do when you respect the law. If the DME's are found guilty then they have to accept the consequences of their actions. That's called accountability for your actions.

I find it amazing that the gullible uneducated blame the courts for finding guilty parties, well, guilty yet they see absolutely nothing wrong with the DSI quite blatantly attacking DEMS at every opportunity. Tarit under the PTP has cut RS political cases in his hand from the 281 during AV's time to 48 cases in 2012 to just four cases last year. In fact, even YS benefited as Tarit chose to drop her asset concealment case. Don't see DEM supporters coming out and threatening kidnapping Tarit. Don't see protestors knocking down the door of the DSI when this was revealed. Because it is called respect for the law. The DEM supporters don't agree with it, but it is to be accepted. It is the law. With breakdown of law and order you have anarchy and anarchy folks, is not democracy. So acceptance by DEM's on this and praise by the PTP for the law being (perceived to be) followed. Why? It favors the PTP.

I find it amazing that the gullible uneducated blame the courts for finding guilty parties, well, guilty yet see absolutely nothing wrong with the chief of police having a portrait of himself hanging up on his wall at work showing him having his insignia pinned on him by the terrorist financier, Thaksin that happens to be the PM's brother. The police are tasked with enforcement of laws and apprehension of offenders. They even had to have a hearing and investigation to see if the portrait was appropriate and fell outside those guidelines. A wanted criminal promoting Adul to chief of police with the words "I have, because you gave it to me" The same words incidentally that Thaksin used to describe the General who was the leader of the coup in 1992 in Thailand. Now despite whether Adul thinks Thaksin is innocent or guilty is not his decision to make. That is the courts decision. Adul has shown through his actions that the police force is sided with and sympathetic to Thaksin, thus the PTP and their terrorist wing, the UDD and at the same time showing their contempt for the court and lack of respect for the law. (Principle of democracy - Equal protection under the law??) In the last 2 months we have seen this being played out. No justice for anti government supporters. No arrests or leads in the bombing of Abhisit's place yet Chalerm stated they will hunt down anyone that tries to go near yinglucks house. PTP supporters are very vocal on the courts being perceived as one sided (Which they are. Sided on finding innocent people innocent) yet are silent on the police. Why? It favors the PTP. Doesn't sound like equal protection under the law to me. Heck they had elections right? So suck it up, we can do what we want.

Which gets me back onto the courts. This is exactly why the PTP are so arrogant. Why they place so much emphases on the ballot box. Because they feel that when / if they win an election they can do what ever they want. They feel that democracy ceases post ballot box. Sorry PTP that is where democracy begins. Thaksin giving tax money to Burma so they can buy Thaksin's products doesn't sound right. Sounds like abuse of power to me. He was elected so should this abuse of power be accepted? 700 billion in tax money of which is alleged 300 billion went to corruption and of the remaining 400 billion the poor farmers got 18% of it. Sounds like corruption on a grand scale even without going into the complete failure of the scheme that YES the DEM's said would happen 3 years ago. yingluck was the chairman of the scheme, BUT she was elected so should she be forgiven for not attending one meeting regarding the scheme and allowing the corruption to flourish. Should we blame the DEMS for this corruption? Should we really blame the courts when she is found guilty?

Criminals hate guilty judgements by courts and innocent people have nothing to fear. It is not a big conspiracy. It is simply very naughty people being held accountable. And those very naughty people don't want to be held accountable because they won the election. So they kick and shove and demonize. The weak minded gullible supporters then jump on the bandwagon and blindly defend them not even realizing they are defending actions that are in conflict with the principles of democracy they purport to adhere too. Confused bunch heay!

So in summary PTP supporters don't mind the police being tools of the PTP. Don't mind the DSI being tools of the PTP and even respect the courts when found innocent. When found guilty however then the courts are tools of the DEM's and it is travesty of justice.

Thaksin said he wanted a one party state. Now if the PTP win the next election after looking at the political landscape in Thailand now with a broad spectrum of protestors on the streets including the farmers protesting the PTP then you know that democracy has failed. That a very narrow band of farmers up north is being manipulated to allow a regime to continue to runs the country. All this says to me is reform is needed lest Thaksin gets his wish and the very supporters that follow him now become inconsequential.

Edited February 5, 2014 by djjamie

[Thormaturge]

I think the best thing to happen to Thailand right now would be for both parties to be banned and their executives and executives of the past three months to be banned for five years. Then neither side could complain about bias and Thailand could start anew.

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But who then runs the country ?.....a council ?......thought this what the protests were all about LOL

Chuwitt probably.

No sillier than the current mess.

[Gweiloman]

The government has dissolved the Lower House and issued a royal decree for a general election but the Democrat Party refused to contest, claiming they wanted a national reform. Their activities are mainly for their political interest.

Can't argue with that really. Just stating the facts.

The Democrats want national reform - but we don't even know if the majority of Thais want this reform or not.

Shouldn't there be a referendum be held first to ask if Thais even want this? Because if only the minority Democrats want it, it doesn't mean that it has to be implemented. After all, they haven't won an election in over 20 years.

And on top of that, the current election laws were signed and passed by Abhisit and Suthep before the 2011 elections. They thought that changing the election laws would help them win the election. Then in 2011 they lost and now they want to change it again.

Maybe they're not losing elections due to the law, but due to the fact that Thais do not want them in office.

They should clean up their own party first. But again, if they want reforms so bad, then a referendum is the way to go, not a street mob.

"we don't even know if the majority of Thais want this reform or not.'

Well 55% didn't bother to vote, and many more voted NO, which seems to indicate they do want reform.

Of the 55% that did not vote, some were not bothered, some were prevented, some couldn't and I would even wager that some were intimidated into not voting.

A NO vote means that they did not want to vote for any of the candidates that were running, no more and no less.

[Basil B]

Let turn Thailand into a one party state, and those who oppose lets put them up against a wall and shoot them...

Looks like Chelerm went to North Korea (when things got a little to hot for him in BKK last week) for lessons in how to make democracy work.

[mca]

This country more and more resembles a children's play-ground with every passing day........

So true. I've never seen such a more immature self-serving bunch of rank amateurs on both sides. In any decently functioning country most of them couldn't be elected mayor of a no name town out in the sticks. They'd most probably have trouble cutting the ribbon at the village fete. Thailand's let the rot set in for years and now they're unfortunately constantly paying the price.

Most decent Thai folks must thinks "<deleted>".

[Pib]

This is a politicians' food fight in the cafeteria.

[4X4]

dummy spit by another ptp criminal that should be in jail, so how many do they npoow have that are either hiding overseas or out on bail, hmmmm, ptp, the party for criminals.

Can a caretaker government make decisions like this? (Just asking)

[Nickymaster]

Did they already pay the poor farmers? If not, why doesn't this criminal that takes order from another criminal (on the run) clean up their own mess first before they start looking at others.