Is this a fair representation of many Thai men?

[Khon Thai Ben Khon Dee]

Particularly of many middle to lower class Thai men. Not saying they are my views, but if you have been here for more than 5 years what do you think? Would you agree or disagree?

They seem to be very territorial, about the space around them being their space, and can get very worked-up if another ‘intrudes’ on to it in a way that they perceive to be a challenge to their ego. They seem to have very delicate egos and almost everything seems to be a challenge to them. Their ego can be hurt very easily as a result.

They have massive amounts of repressed anger built up, mainly due to cultural issues such as repressions all negative emotions in order to keep face.

They seem to be very cowardly in their actions and instead of a face to face talking through of things, will instead opt for very spiteful, malicious actions behind the other persons back, unless they know they cannot lose through numbers of people having their back, or unless their repressed anger explodes to the front in which case extreme violence with whatever weapons they have/can get will ensue until the other person is dead or as good as.

They love to gloat when they see themselves as victorious in one of their perceived challenges against another. Consideration is an acceptance of being lower than the other person, so is not to be exercised unless the other is known to them and of higher status to them.

[Gsxrnz]

I suspect most women from any culture in the world would say you've just described a "typical" male, irrespective of race.

[Khon Thai Ben Khon Dee]

I suspect most women from any culture in the world would say you've just described a "typical" male, irrespective of race.

I would be very, very surprised if that was the case.

Besides, I'm sure you mean 'culture' and not 'race'.

[HooHaa]

wow, now there is a whole lot of stereotypical twaddle.

[Gsxrnz]

I suspect most women from any culture in the world would say you've just described a "typical" male, irrespective of race.

I would be very, very surprised if that was the case.

Besides, I'm sure you mean 'culture' and not 'race'.

No, I meant "race".

You don'y know many women then?

[Khon Thai Ben Khon Dee]

stereotypical

Out of interest, wouldn't that have to be 'all' or 'most' and not just 'many'?

I think it is also interesting how stereotypes become stereotypes, what is the source of their creation? Perhaps because they are a correct representation, perhaps because of how various experiences have affected the views of the person doing the stereotyping. Fascinating stuff really.

So I take you disagree with the ideas put forward in the OP?

[I knew this would happen]

I only know one thing about Thai males, they are crap drivers, ALL of them.

(Yes I had a bad morning on the road, even my wife used the finger this time )

[Khon Thai Ben Khon Dee]

I suspect most women from any culture in the world would say you've just described a "typical" male, irrespective of race.

I would be very, very surprised if that was the case.

Besides, I'm sure you mean 'culture' and not 'race'.

No, I meant "race".

You don'y know many women then?

Well, Thais are not a race, per se. So you are incorrect from the get go. Beyond this different members of the same race act very differently depending on the culture one was raised in/lives in.

[iancnx]

Is this really worth the time and effort?

[Khon Thai Ben Khon Dee]

I only know one thing about Thai males, they are crap drivers, ALL of them.

Interestingly what started this discussion was when I was driving home last night. I ride a bigger motorbike than most locals, the road opened up so I pulled back and flew off, came up to traffic so slowed right down and went through it slowly. After a minute or so a Thai guy on a scooter I had passed came flying up the inside lane (suicide move through such traffic) pulled right out in front of me, lifted up his ass and waved it at me, then started waving his scooter in a dancing movement.

Happens all the time should I dare to overtake a local. What made this stand out though was that he was wearing a hospital uniform. A health professional.

We got talking this morning about it, and many of the views in the OP were given by normal Westerners that have lived here for long times.

[Gsxrnz]

I suspect most women from any culture in the world would say you've just described a "typical" male, irrespective of race.

I would be very, very surprised if that was the case.

Besides, I'm sure you mean 'culture' and not 'race'.

No, I meant "race".

You don'y know many women then?

Well, Thais are not a race, per se. So you are incorrect from the get go. Beyond this different members of the same race act very differently depending on the culture one was raised in/lives in.

.........sigh.

[HooHaa]

Is this really worth the time and effort?

no, the op is splitting hairs and dickering over semantics.

he is attempting to characterize a group of people and denying so by qualifying it with the deliberately vague term "many" and by asserting that it may not be his opinion.

Either way the response he likely seeks and will probably receive is obvious.

as i said, twaddle

[Khon Thai Ben Khon Dee]

he is attempting to characterize a group of people and denying so by qualifying it with the deliberately vague term "many" and by asserting that it may not be his opinion.

Not at all, actually. Many, but not most, is surely not that difficult to understand.

As already mentioned the views put forward in the OP were put together by a number of Westerners that have lived here for many years each, when the discussion came up.

Perhaps you could address the points of OP as opposed to attacking the poster.

[jackr]

Yes. You forgot to mention childishness.

[Berkshire]

So all of this racist drivel came from a road incident(s)? Geez. Let's just say this, OP, no matter how hard you try to perpetuate your bigoted views, you will never be better than the average Thai guy.

[Khon Thai Ben Khon Dee]

So all of this racist drivel came from a road incident(s)?

Er no, it came from the opinions of a few normal, middle aged Western expats who have lived here for years, while the topic came up this morning.

And I'm afraid that the 'racist' element you speak of is purely in your mind.

Geez. Let's just say this, OP, no matter how hard you try to perpetuate your bigoted views, you will never be better than the average Thai guy.

Sigh. I guess that rules out anything you might say as being worthy of listening to.

Edited February 6, 2014 by Khon Thai Ben Khon Dee

[HooHaa]

and what do you hope to achieve, affirmation of these views?

or perhaps just a spirited discussion of the inadequacy or thai manhood?

I am not attacking you personally, and fail to see how you can deny that your are stereotyping.

many vs most is simply a qualifying statement.

i really cant see how the remark "most black people like fried chicken and watermelon" is promulgating a stereotype any less than "black people like fried chicken and watermelon". the difference is a very small matter of degree, the sentiment is unchanged.

anyways have fun with it, i hope you get the response you seek.

[Khon Thai Ben Khon Dee]

There you go with your 'most' nonsense again. Please stop trying to put words in my mouth. Thanks.

[Berkshire]

So all of this racist drivel came from a road incident(s)?

Er no, it came from the opinions of a few normal, middle aged Western expats who have lived here for years, while the topic came up this morning.

And I'm afraid that the 'racist' element you speak of is purely in your mind.

Geez. Let's just say this, OP, no matter how hard you try to perpetuate your bigoted views, you will never be better than the average Thai guy.

Sigh. I guess that rules out anything you might say as being worthy of listening to.

So you're saying these "normal" expats are not racist, but have only negative things to say about the Thais? That doesn't seem racist to you? By the way, I knew quite a few African-Americans back in the US. Most believed that the worst sort of racists were the ones who said and did things that were racist, but will never admit that they are. That'd be you.

[Khon Thai Ben Khon Dee]

So all of this racist drivel came from a road incident(s)?

Er no, it came from the opinions of a few normal, middle aged Western expats who have lived here for years, while the topic came up this morning.

And I'm afraid that the 'racist' element you speak of is purely in your mind.

Geez. Let's just say this, OP, no matter how hard you try to perpetuate your bigoted views, you will never be better than the average Thai guy.

Sigh. I guess that rules out anything you might say as being worthy of listening to.

So you're saying these "normal" expats are not racist, but have only negative things to say about the Thais?

Incorrect.

It's amazing the people jumping down my throat to try and put their words and ideas there, instead of you know, perhaps opening up to a reality they are uncomfortable about.

[jackr]

Yes. You forgot to mention childishness.

To be fair this is a bit unfair. While there does tend to be a profusion of monkeys on the street (esp down south) possibly due to a lack of brain power and mental hospitals, there is also a certain section of society that exhibits none of that behaviour. Have had some quality chaps as neighbours.

[nontabury]

So all of this racist drivel came from a road incident(s)? Geez. Let's just say this, OP, no matter how hard you try to perpetuate your bigoted views, you will never be better than the average Thai guy.

It seems that you are always describing people who do not agree with you, as bigots and racialist,

I think you have a problem.

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[h90]

From seeing my staff....they have many faults, but nothing you describe here.

"very territorial" "Their ego can be hurt very easily as a result." Both I and my wife shuffle them around without much thinking.....from one prestigious place in the office to the broken chair decade old computer on the next day.

From being the specialist to do some delivery on the motorbike, because it is just needed.....

Because the work must be done and I don't care if someone feel insulted when I tell him to clean the floor.

Yesterday my wife told them to by some testosterone injections for them, because in compare to the girls in the office who do their job, they only pussy around problems. I guess they didn't like to hear that but much anger? No.

But I must admit....the males here are mostly technician and mostly from the south. When we had sales guys, they might have been like you describe...... But slimy sales guys are slimy sales guys in Thailand, in Germany and in USA....

So I would say more or less the same in Thailand as in other countries.....Maybe a few percent up or down....

[sam sen]

living and working here and knowing many thai males i dont see this description as attributable to them. the thai guys i know are a polite, friendly, generous and have a good sense of humour if i would chose a negative its that they are a little shy sometimes.

[wprime]

"They have massive amounts of repressed anger built up, mainly due to cultural issues such as repressions all negative emotions in order to keep face."

One just has to see how they react when they have power (put them in a mob, at the wheel of a truck, give them a gun, etc) to see the truth behind this.

That being said, we're talking about less than 10% of the population, they just happen to stand out.

[In Search of Space]

Yes. You forgot to mention childishness.

Are you talking about my wife ?

[Berkshire]

living and working here and knowing many thai males i dont see this description as attributable to them. the thai guys i know are a polite, friendly, generous and have a good sense of humour if i would chose a negative its that they are a little shy sometimes.

I would agree. Pretty much all the Thai guys that I know, mostly professionals but even the security guard, are decent, honest, hard-working dudes. I would venture to say that the farangs in Thailand who describe the Thai guys the way the OP did are themselves very much like that. Birds of a feather....

[Berkshire]

So all of this racist drivel came from a road incident(s)? Geez. Let's just say this, OP, no matter how hard you try to perpetuate your bigoted views, you will never be better than the average Thai guy.

It seems that you are always describing people who do not agree with you, as bigots and racialist,

I think you have a problem.

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Pretty much every scumbag....eh, individual I've accused of being racist have in fact done something to earn that recognition. Every single one.

[transam]

OP, you are looking at stuff from your farang point of view and not thinking about that this is a very different part of the world. Whether Thai male or female. One of the reasons many farangs have a problem after wedding a Thai lady is not considering the many differences.

[h90]

living and working here and knowing many thai males i dont see this description as attributable to them. the thai guys i know are a polite, friendly, generous and have a good sense of humour if i would chose a negative its that they are a little shy sometimes.

I would agree. Pretty much all the Thai guys that I know, mostly professionals but even the security guard, are decent, honest, hard-working dudes. I would venture to say that the farangs in Thailand who describe the Thai guys the way the OP did are themselves very much like that. Birds of a feather....

Exactly same experience!

But might depend on the society, if you marry a bar girl and look at the "brothers" you might find different males than these you find at work places....

Even the not so good Thai males aren't worse than the not so good Europeans (I would even say they are better).

Edit: removed something that can be misunderstood

Edited February 6, 2014 by h90