Suthep seeks postponement of indictment

[ShannonT]

Obama would not be on murder charges IF before a single bullet was fired those American protestors threaten to blow up LPG truck, grenade attacks at American banks, attack American charity with grenades, storm parliament, attack American buildings with M16 and grenades, storm police hospital, storm FOX network TV station, bomb attacks on electricity pylons, take police hostage, destroy CCTV cameras, dump tyres on sky train tracks. It would be called quelling a brutal terrorist uprising.

Seems a lot like what Suthep and his militia are doing right now.

[CiaranO]

If this kind of attitude to Legal Process is indicative of how Suthep's Assembly will operate, I vote no.

Oh, I forgot, nobody is allowed to vote on the Assembly.

My bad.

May I nominate your post for "post of the day" please?

Abhisit has the money to cover bail

Suthep is bankrupt as the released figures last week or so showed

Suthep cannot pay the bail

Suthep is still counting his collections to see if his court fee can be paid

Well, that must be excuse enough not to attend the hearing.

ear judge, I am broke (because I jus

D

t bought a 280 million lot of land) so I cannot attend the hearing because I will not be able to post bail.

Maybe someone should write a "Dummy's Guide" for accused murderers and the excuses they can provide the judges with in order to not have to answer the charges.

- Sorry, busy protesting!

- Sorry, I'm broke!

etc...

sorry evidence please?

[dru2]

Obama would not be on murder charges IF before a single bullet was fired those American protestors threaten to blow up LPG truck, grenade attacks at American banks, attack American charity with grenades, storm parliament, attack American buildings with M16 and grenades, storm police hospital, storm FOX network TV station, bomb attacks on electricity pylons, take police hostage, destroy CCTV cameras, dump tyres on sky train tracks. It would be called quelling a brutal terrorist uprising.

Seems a lot like what Suthep and his militia are doing right now.

Perhaps you weren't here in 2010?

[djjamie]

Obama would not be on murder charges IF before a single bullet was fired those American protestors threaten to blow up LPG truck, grenade attacks at American banks, attack American charity with grenades, storm parliament, attack American buildings with M16 and grenades, storm police hospital, storm FOX network TV station, bomb attacks on electricity pylons, take police hostage, destroy CCTV cameras, dump tyres on sky train tracks. It would be called quelling a brutal terrorist uprising.

Seems a lot like what Suthep and his militia are doing right now.

That was not my point. My point was Obama would not be on murder charges IF that happened before a bullet was fired.

A trait of a demagogue is to change the subject when there is an uncomfortable truth presented.

[ggold]

You can't be serious.

Try postponing murder charges in any US or EU court with the reason that you are busy trying to topple a democratically elected government.

Charges which are false, brought about by Thaksin in the hope of forcing Abhisit or Suthep to agree an amnesty bill allowing the real criminal free return to Thailand!

Or did you forget that some red shirts didn't like that idea! Which is one of the reasons why PTP find themselves in trouble now.

Besides it's not postponement of murder charges! he has supposedly been charged already! he just hasn't acknowledged the charges yet! But until he is found GUILTY, he is innocent.

Why can't he acknowledge the murder charges?

Any other person accused of murder, do you think for a second that they would be allowed to use the excuse that they are "busy" and can't go to the court?

This kind of behavior by Suthep sets a very dangerous precedent because in the future other accused murderers will be able to use the same excuse based on it being allowed in Suthep's case.

Quoting my last post because I am still waiting for an answer as to why he can't acknowledge the murder charges.

Well because he is leader of the protest movement so I guess he's a bit busy! SO he is asking for a delay, Which after all considering the fugitive Thaksin has not been pursued by the government to serve his time seems only fair!

And if you ask for evidence then I will nominate your reply as the dumbest ever!

[diehard60]

You can't be serious.

Try postponing murder charges in any US or EU court with the reason that you are busy trying to topple a democratically elected government.

Charges which are false, brought about by Thaksin in the hope of forcing Abhisit or Suthep to agree an amnesty bill allowing the real criminal free return to Thailand!

Or did you forget that some red shirts didn't like that idea! Which is one of the reasons why PTP find themselves in trouble now.

Besides it's not postponement of murder charges! he has supposedly been charged already! he just hasn't acknowledged the charges yet! But until he is found GUILTY, he is innocent.

How do you figure they are false? suther ordered the police and army to open fire with live rounds.

[3NUMBAS]

in the land of NO law and order how can you be surprised about anything any more ,you can get away with murder if you have lots of cash ,the judiciary are just puppets for the elites

[diehard60]

You can't be serious.

Try postponing murder charges in any US or EU court with the reason that you are busy trying to topple a democratically elected government.

You can't be serious.

Try charging any senior Government official with murder charges in any US or EU court with the reason that they were in charge of Government when soldiers were following rules of engagement and being fired upon.

Keep trying Sharon.

Timmy, when it happens in the US or the EU, you can be sure that the leaders will face a court of law. Obama ordering troops to fire on protesters? He would be in court.

Obama would not be on murder charges IF before a single bullet was fired those American protestors threaten to blow up LPG truck, grenade attacks at American banks, attack American charity with grenades, storm parliament, attack American buildings with M16 and grenades, storm police hospital, storm FOX network TV station, bomb attacks on electricity pylons, take police hostage, destroy CCTV cameras, dump tyres on sky train tracks. It would be called quelling a brutal terrorist uprising.

Now back on topic - If Suthep is granted a postponement that will allow him to continue to coordinate all the principle of democracy protesters.

ShannonT - Do you know what all the principles of democracy are? (apart from elections)

Let me ask you. If you were in the US and there was a warrent out on you would they just wait untill YOU HAD TIME to come in?????? Thailand is not the same as the USA.

[rickirs]

You can't be serious.

Try postponing murder charges in any US or EU court with the reason that you are busy trying to topple a democratically elected government.

Not according to the Civil Court. Overthrowing the government is just an exercise in freedom of speech according to a recent court decision. Now say good night to democracy and hello to anarchy. Notice that although Thailand has a very significant economy, population, and strategic position in Asia, it is not on President Obama's tour of Asian allies (Japan, South Korea, Malaysia and Philippines)? Thailand is fast becoming a role model for anarchy and perhaps not a country US wants to associate with at this time. If the government is overthrown, you can expect the beginning of economic sanctions by the West.

[ggold]

You can't be serious.

Try postponing murder charges in any US or EU court with the reason that you are busy trying to topple a democratically elected government.

Charges which are false, brought about by Thaksin in the hope of forcing Abhisit or Suthep to agree an amnesty bill allowing the real criminal free return to Thailand!

Or did you forget that some red shirts didn't like that idea! Which is one of the reasons why PTP find themselves in trouble now.

Besides it's not postponement of murder charges! he has supposedly been charged already! he just hasn't acknowledged the charges yet! But until he is found GUILTY, he is innocent.

How do you figure they are false? suther ordered the police and army to open fire with live rounds.

I think you'll find he didn't actually say that! the order was given to clear the protesters, it was the armies choice to use live fire to do that! but it should also be noted that the man accusing them of murder also sat on the committee that gave the order, So if Abhisit and Suthep are guilty then Tarit by extension is as guilty!

Tarit will have a lot to answer for very soon.

[metisdead]

Inflammatory posts and replies have been removed. If you can't be bothered to spell other member's nic correctly, can't be bothered to allow your post to stay visible.

[ShannonT]

You can't be serious.

Try postponing murder charges in any US or EU court with the reason that you are busy trying to topple a democratically elected government.

Charges which are false, brought about by Thaksin in the hope of forcing Abhisit or Suthep to agree an amnesty bill allowing the real criminal free return to Thailand!

Or did you forget that some red shirts didn't like that idea! Which is one of the reasons why PTP find themselves in trouble now.

Besides it's not postponement of murder charges! he has supposedly been charged already! he just hasn't acknowledged the charges yet! But until he is found GUILTY, he is innocent.

How do you figure they are false? suther ordered the police and army to open fire with live rounds.

I think you'll find he didn't actually say that! the order was given to clear the protesters, it was the armies choice to use live fire to do that! but it should also be noted that the man accusing them of murder also sat on the committee that gave the order, So if Abhisit and Suthep are guilty then Tarit by extension is as guilty!

Tarit will have a lot to answer for very soon.

Ah okay ...big difference then. However Thaksin is accused on a daily basis of being guilty for the deaths of drug dealers. Thaksin also only gave the orders. It was the police who chose to use live ammunition.

[ggold]

Charges which are false, brought about by Thaksin in the hope of forcing Abhisit or Suthep to agree an amnesty bill allowing the real criminal free return to Thailand!

Or did you forget that some red shirts didn't like that idea! Which is one of the reasons why PTP find themselves in trouble now.

Besides it's not postponement of murder charges! he has supposedly been charged already! he just hasn't acknowledged the charges yet! But until he is found GUILTY, he is innocent.

How do you figure they are false? suther ordered the police and army to open fire with live rounds.

I think you'll find he didn't actually say that! the order was given to clear the protesters, it was the armies choice to use live fire to do that! but it should also be noted that the man accusing them of murder also sat on the committee that gave the order, So if Abhisit and Suthep are guilty then Tarit by extension is as guilty!

Tarit will have a lot to answer for very soon.

Ah okay ...big difference then. However Thaksin is accused on a daily basis of being guilty for the deaths of drug dealers. Thaksin also only gave the orders. It was the police who chose to use live ammunition.

there is a difference to a state of emergency, and government policy to kill suspected drug dealers without trial! Especially when most of those killed had nothing to do with drug dealing.

Edited February 13, 2014 by ggold

[tingtongteesood]

You can't be serious.

Try postponing murder charges in any US or EU court with the reason that you are busy trying to topple a democratically elected government.

Charges which are false, brought about by Thaksin in the hope of forcing Abhisit or Suthep to agree an amnesty bill allowing the real criminal free return to Thailand!

Or did you forget that some red shirts didn't like that idea! Which is one of the reasons why PTP find themselves in trouble now.

Besides it's not postponement of murder charges! he has supposedly been charged already! he just hasn't acknowledged the charges yet! But until he is found GUILTY, he is innocent.

Also would like to add that since the government as was has threatened him with a death sentence numerous times, I sure as hell wouldn't step inside a court either until the corrupt b'rds were out. Add to that that at least he hasn't done a Thaksin and he is still in the country just asking for a postponement for a real reason. Also as we all know he didn't murder anyone and the charges are bogus in the first place. As I keep saying, let PT put their people in prison who should be there from 2010 then in 3 or 4 years after that has happened we can talk about what the protestors are doing now....Good on you Gamnan Suteb, keep fighting till victory.

[Imale]

In a normal society thaksins conviction would get him in prison by extraditing him here. Instead he hides without fear in another country extending his influence here.

Isnt that enough evidence for you all to see that laws for politicians are treated differently than laws for normal average citizens.

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In most jurisdictions, Thaksin's only conviction in a criminal case (for abuse of authority in the Rachada land case) would not constitute a crime.

His crime was to add his signature, as was at the time required by Thai law, to a bid by his then wife. The court judged that he was wrong to do this because he held the position of Prime Minister and a section in the Anti-Corruption Act forbids political office holders from entering into contracts with agencies under their control. There have been questions as to whether the agency in this case (the FIDF, under the control of the Bank of Thailand) is in fact under the control of the Prime Minister, and whether countersigning a bid constitutes entering into a contract. But in most systems (and in Thailand's today) there is no requirement for married women to provide a signature of approval by their husband.

Most extradition treaties do not allow extradition for crimes which are not considered crimes in the country of exile. (A Ugandan cannot be extradited from the UK on the grounds of a conviction for sodomy, for example). If a country has no law similar to Thailand's at that time, then the act for which he was convicted does not constitute a crime in that country and extradition will not be approved.

Nor, incidentally will an extradition treaty allow extradition where the penalty is substantially different from in the country of exile. Hence request for extradition to the US are routinely denied if a conviction could result in the death penalty. It would be an interesting exercise to discover how many countries set imprisonment for an offence of this kind. My guess would be precious few.

This is not to admit that Thaksin has not committed other acts of corruption. There is prima facie evidence of many, and of a far more serious nature than the Rachada land case. The question is why the Thai judicial system has chosen NOT to prosecute for these apparently far more serious offences. One is led to suspect that any such prosecution might also involve others who are being protected by the failure to prosecute.

[tingtongteesood]

You can't be serious.

Try postponing murder charges in any US or EU court with the reason that you are busy trying to topple a democratically elected government.

Of course it's ridiculous but this is Thailand where the government is run by a convicted felon from abroad. That wouldn't happen in the US or the EU either.

Normal democratic principals don't apply here.

Evidence please?

Just a google away

https://www.google.co.th/?gws_rd=cr&ei=eaP8Uv-cNsWBiQfuqYHYDQ#q=thaksin+by+skype

[tingtongteesood]

Obama would not be on murder charges IF before a single bullet was fired those American protestors threaten to blow up LPG truck, grenade attacks at American banks, attack American charity with grenades, storm parliament, attack American buildings with M16 and grenades, storm police hospital, storm FOX network TV station, bomb attacks on electricity pylons, take police hostage, destroy CCTV cameras, dump tyres on sky train tracks. It would be called quelling a brutal terrorist uprising.

Seems a lot like what Suthep and his militia are doing right now.

Nah, sounds a lot more like what the brainwashed red sheeple such as yourself did to please your fugitive master in 2010.

You miissed out turning Bangkok into a sea of fire and killing the amart....

[djjamie]

Suthep political life seems to be one big string of failures... from inability to be elected, to rampant corruption when he was in power, to murder charges, his frustration culminating in attempts at sedition and a series of failed attempts at toppling a democratically elected government... weaseling out of arrest warrants, postponement of indictment....

Suthep is walking down a one way road leading directly to jail, its not an if, it's a "when". With all the blood on his hands, it could be for life.

Sounds similar to Mandela's terrorist past.

Now if Suthep spends 27 years in jail, like Mandela did, the similarities would be uncanny.

[tingtongteesood]

Charges which are false, brought about by Thaksin in the hope of forcing Abhisit or Suthep to agree an amnesty bill allowing the real criminal free return to Thailand!

Or did you forget that some red shirts didn't like that idea! Which is one of the reasons why PTP find themselves in trouble now.

Besides it's not postponement of murder charges! he has supposedly been charged already! he just hasn't acknowledged the charges yet! But until he is found GUILTY, he is innocent.

How do you figure they are false? suther ordered the police and army to open fire with live rounds.

I think you'll find he didn't actually say that! the order was given to clear the protesters, it was the armies choice to use live fire to do that! but it should also be noted that the man accusing them of murder also sat on the committee that gave the order, So if Abhisit and Suthep are guilty then Tarit by extension is as guilty!

Tarit will have a lot to answer for very soon.

Ah okay ...big difference then. However Thaksin is accused on a daily basis of being guilty for the deaths of drug dealers. Thaksin also only gave the orders. It was the police who chose to use live ammunition.

That was kind of different as the drug dealers were not violent protestors firing guns and burning tires, launching grenades against the houses of their opponents in the dead of night etc.

However that being said, since the bullshit murder charges were brought to try and strong arm them into agreeing to the bullshit amnesty for Taksin and his cronies crimes to be whitewashed, the red sheeple keep calling Suteb and Abisit murderers for trying to stop the violent riots, this is a defense that has been adopted by the non sheeple to demonstrate that if they can be charged on bs murder charges, then Taksin deserves 30 times as many charges against him. If only he had the guts to come and face those with the dozens of others waiting for his return....What's good for the geese is good for the sissy fugitive gander

[SamMunich]

Why would Suthep show up at court right now? He would be instantly taken away by police.
He knows,
the court knows,
everybody knows,-
except some light-headed TV posters here?

Beside that he can't be tried for killing/ordering to kill protesters. Only for ordering to use the military to "clear" the area. How the military did it, wasn't defined by either Abhisit or Suthep...

[ggold]

You can't be serious.

Try postponing murder charges in any US or EU court with the reason that you are busy trying to topple a democratically elected government.

Not according to the Civil Court. Overthrowing the government is just an exercise in freedom of speech according to a recent court decision. Now say good night to democracy and hello to anarchy. Notice that although Thailand has a very significant economy, population, and strategic position in Asia, it is not on President Obama's tour of Asian allies (Japan, South Korea, Malaysia and Philippines)? Thailand is fast becoming a role model for anarchy and perhaps not a country US wants to associate with at this time. If the government is overthrown, you can expect the beginning of economic sanctions by the West.

you can expect the beginning of economic sanctions by the West.

That is a laughable comment! it will be business as usual, Thailand is hardly a rouge nation that threatens the west. get real!

[almafudd]

You can't be serious.

Try postponing murder charges in any US or EU court with the reason that you are busy trying to topple a democratically elected government.

Charges which are false, brought about by Thaksin in the hope of forcing Abhisit or Suthep to agree an amnesty bill allowing the real criminal free return to Thailand!

Or did you forget that some red shirts didn't like that idea! Which is one of the reasons why PTP find themselves in trouble now.

Besides it's not postponement of murder charges! he has supposedly been charged already! he just hasn't acknowledged the charges yet! But until he is found GUILTY, he is innocent.

Why can't he acknowledge the murder charges?

Any other person accused of murder, do you think for a second that they would be allowed to use the excuse that they are "busy" and can't go to the court?

This kind of behavior by Suthep sets a very dangerous precedent because in the future other accused murderers will be able to use the same excuse based on it being allowed in Suthep's case.

Quoting my last post because I am still waiting for an answer as to why he can't acknowledge the murder charges.

What does acknowledging the murder charges achieve?

When are you going acknowledge that you are a red shirt through and through??

[SICHONSTEVE]

Lots of people in the world are charged falsely, they still front up to court like Abhisit why should Suthep be any different? See what your ultimately saying is disregard the rule of law which is one of many of Thailand's problems. Yes innocent until proven guilty indeed. But what a great excuse! In any other country he would be before the courts shame Thailand and all others who do and think likewise.... Including guilty reds or not guilty reds... See there, that was simple logic hey....

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Indeed, disregarding the law with utter disdain is precisely what has caused the problems in Thailand - try telling that to Yingluck and her mob of incompetents!!!

[ratcatcher]

You can't be serious.

Try postponing murder charges in any US or EU court with the reason that you are busy trying to topple a democratically elected government.

Not according to the Civil Court. Overthrowing the government is just an exercise in freedom of speech according to a recent court decision. Now say good night to democracy and hello to anarchy. Notice that although Thailand has a very significant economy, population, and strategic position in Asia, it is not on President Obama's tour of Asian allies (Japan, South Korea, Malaysia and Philippines)? Thailand is fast becoming a role model for anarchy and perhaps not a country US wants to associate with at this time. If the government is overthrown, you can expect the beginning of economic sanctions by the West.

you can expect the beginning of economic sanctions by the West.

That is a laughable comment! it will be business as usual, Thailand is hardly a rouge nation that threatens the west. get real!

Good post gg, I like your typo "rouge nation" rouge = red, and it would be if PTP had their way. You did mean rogue pf course?

[BlueNoseCodger]

Why would Suthep show up at court right now? He would be instantly taken away by police.

He knows,

the court knows,

everybody knows,-

except some light-headed TV posters here?

Beside that he can't be tried for killing/ordering to kill protesters. Only for ordering to use the military to "clear" the area. How the military did it, wasn't defined by either Abhisit or Suthep...

Yes he would be arrested agreed.

How the military did it, wasn't defined by either Abhisit or Suthep...

The charges show they authorized the use of live fire, so they defined the way the military were to clear the area as to use live bullets again the protestors in those areas.

Not only that, they suppressed information of what was happening by a heavy censorship law. Outside Thailand we (I was visiting my dad, a farang) saw video night after night of the snipers shooting unarmed protestors. While inside Thailand you were told they were only shooting armed blackshirts sent by Thaksin to kill their own protestors and make the government look bad. Which was nuts*.

Evidence of coverup law confirms the need to cover something up!

* If you read Rear Admiral Winai's, the Navy Seal commander's comments recently, you can see some of the military still believes their own BS cover story.

Winai said he had evidence that during the 2010 political violence, 39 members of “a foreign force” were shot dead during the clashes with security officers and red-shirt protesters had used a refrigerated lorry to remove their bodies from the scene.

The reds were hemmed in by army snipers, somehow the army shot these 39 presumably Cambodians and yet they managed to smuggle them out in a big refrigerated lorry??? Irrational, nonsensical.

There is a large body of Youtube footage on the subject, TVF remove my posts when I try to post the links, so do the searches yourselves. 2010 plenty of people had camera phones and footage is extensive.

Edited February 13, 2014 by BlueNoseCodger

[rubl]

Why would Suthep show up at court right now? He would be instantly taken away by police.

He knows,

the court knows,

everybody knows,-

except some light-headed TV posters here?

Beside that he can't be tried for killing/ordering to kill protesters. Only for ordering to use the military to "clear" the area. How the military did it, wasn't defined by either Abhisit or Suthep...

Yes he would be arrested agreed.

How the military did it, wasn't defined by either Abhisit or Suthep...

The charges show they authorized the use of live fire, so they defined the way the military were to clear the area as to use live bullets again the protestors in those areas.

Not only that, they suppressed information of what was happening by a heavy censorship law. Outside Thailand we (I was visiting my dad, a farang) saw video night after night of the snipers shooting unarmed protestors. While inside Thailand you were told they were only shooting armed blackshirts sent by Thaksin to kill their own protestors and make the government look bad. Which was nuts*.

Evidence of coverup law confirms the need to cover something up!

* If you read Rear Admiral Winai's, the Navy Seal commander's comments recently, you can see some of the military still believes their own BS cover story.

Winai said he had evidence that during the 2010 political violence, 39 members of “a foreign force” were shot dead during the clashes with security officers and red-shirt protesters had used a refrigerated lorry to remove their bodies from the scene.

The reds were hemmed in by army snipers, somehow the army shot these 39 presumably Cambodians and yet they managed to smuggle them out in a big refrigerated lorry??? Irrational, nonsensical.

There is a large body of Youtube videos on the subject, TVF remove my posts when I try to post the links, so do the searches yourselves.

The charges don't show, the charges are 'pre-meditated murder' and towards private persons although both Abhisit and Suthep were in official functions (PM and Dept. PM respectively).

The prosecution will get a chance to 'show', that is if the court doesn't throw out the case because of incorrect procedures followed.

As for your links removed, well study the forum rules and if you still don't get it PM one of the mods.

[ShannonT]

You can't be serious.

Try postponing murder charges in any US or EU court with the reason that you are busy trying to topple a democratically elected government.

Not according to the Civil Court. Overthrowing the government is just an exercise in freedom of speech according to a recent court decision. Now say good night to democracy and hello to anarchy. Notice that although Thailand has a very significant economy, population, and strategic position in Asia, it is not on President Obama's tour of Asian allies (Japan, South Korea, Malaysia and Philippines)? Thailand is fast becoming a role model for anarchy and perhaps not a country US wants to associate with at this time. If the government is overthrown, you can expect the beginning of economic sanctions by the West.

you can expect the beginning of economic sanctions by the West.

That is a laughable comment! it will be business as usual, Thailand is hardly a rouge nation that threatens the west. get real!

Good post gg, I like your typo "rouge nation" rouge = red, and it would be if PTP had their way. You did mean rogue pf course?

Better a rouge nation than a Democ rat nation.

[BlueNoseCodger]

Why would Suthep show up at court right now? He would be instantly taken away by police.

He knows,

the court knows,

everybody knows,-

except some light-headed TV posters here?

Beside that he can't be tried for killing/ordering to kill protesters. Only for ordering to use the military to "clear" the area. How the military did it, wasn't defined by either Abhisit or Suthep...

Yes he would be arrested agreed.

How the military did it, wasn't defined by either Abhisit or Suthep...

The charges show they authorized the use of live fire, so they defined the way the military were to clear the area as to use live bullets again the protestors in those areas.

Not only that, they suppressed information of what was happening by a heavy censorship law. Outside Thailand we (I was visiting my dad, a farang) saw video night after night of the snipers shooting unarmed protestors. While inside Thailand you were told they were only shooting armed blackshirts sent by Thaksin to kill their own protestors and make the government look bad. Which was nuts*.

Evidence of coverup law confirms the need to cover something up!

* If you read Rear Admiral Winai's, the Navy Seal commander's comments recently, you can see some of the military still believes their own BS cover story.

Winai said he had evidence that during the 2010 political violence, 39 members of “a foreign force” were shot dead during the clashes with security officers and red-shirt protesters had used a refrigerated lorry to remove their bodies from the scene.

The reds were hemmed in by army snipers, somehow the army shot these 39 presumably Cambodians and yet they managed to smuggle them out in a big refrigerated lorry??? Irrational, nonsensical.

There is a large body of Youtube videos on the subject, TVF remove my posts when I try to post the links, so do the searches yourselves.

The charges don't show, the charges are 'pre-meditated murder' and towards private persons although both Abhisit and Suthep were in official functions (PM and Dept. PM respectively).

The prosecution will get a chance to 'show', that is if the court doesn't throw out the case because of incorrect procedures followed.

As for your links removed, well study the forum rules and if you still don't get it PM one of the mods.

It makes no difference if Abhisit was PM and Suthep deputy PM, if there is no law that lets them kill Thai people in their official capacity, then their office provides them no protection as individuals.

Pre-meditated simply means planned beforehand in a rational state of mind, and authorizing live fire in a meeting is pre-meditated.

I've read the forum rules and assume its considered inflamatory to even link videos of what happened, but perhaps that will change over time. This is recorded footage and is not censored in Thailand.

Edited February 13, 2014 by BlueNoseCodger

[bigbamboo]

In a normal society thaksins conviction would get him in prison by extraditing him here. Instead he hides without fear in another country extending his influence here.

Isnt that enough evidence for you all to see that laws for politicians are treated differently than laws for normal average citizens.

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In most jurisdictions, Thaksin's only conviction in a criminal case (for abuse of authority in the Rachada land case) would not constitute a crime.

His crime was to add his signature, as was at the time required by Thai law, to a bid by his then wife. The court judged that he was wrong to do this because he held the position of Prime Minister and a section in the Anti-Corruption Act forbids political office holders from entering into contracts with agencies under their control. There have been questions as to whether the agency in this case (the FIDF, under the control of the Bank of Thailand) is in fact under the control of the Prime Minister, and whether countersigning a bid constitutes entering into a contract. But in most systems (and in Thailand's today) there is no requirement for married women to provide a signature of approval by their husband.

Most extradition treaties do not allow extradition for crimes which are not considered crimes in the country of exile. (A Ugandan cannot be extradited from the UK on the grounds of a conviction for sodomy, for example). If a country has no law similar to Thailand's at that time, then the act for which he was convicted does not constitute a crime in that country and extradition will not be approved.

Nor, incidentally will an extradition treaty allow extradition where the penalty is substantially different from in the country of exile. Hence request for extradition to the US are routinely denied if a conviction could result in the death penalty. It would be an interesting exercise to discover how many countries set imprisonment for an offence of this kind. My guess would be precious few.

This is not to admit that Thaksin has not committed other acts of corruption. There is prima facie evidence of many, and of a far more serious nature than the Rachada land case. The question is why the Thai judicial system has chosen NOT to prosecute for these apparently far more serious offences. One is led to suspect that any such prosecution might also involve others who are being protected by the failure to prosecute.

The reason he was prosecuted for the land deal case first was simply that it was the most straightforward. He was guilty, he knew it, his lawyers knew it and that's why he ran.

I don't blame him for that.... who'd want to do jail time if they could skip the country to avoid it.... but don't try to worm your way back in by pretending to be something you're not.

Edited February 13, 2014 by bigbamboo

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The charges don't show, the charges are 'pre-meditated murder' and towards private persons although both Abhisit and Suthep were in official functions (PM and Dept. PM respectively).

The prosecution will get a chance to 'show', that is if the court doesn't throw out the case because of incorrect procedures followed.

As for your links removed, well study the forum rules and if you still don't get it PM one of the mods.

It makes no difference if Abhisit was PM and Suthep deputy PM, if there is no law that lets them kill Thai people in their official capacity, then their office provides them no protection as individuals.

Pre-meditated simply means planned beforehand in a rational state of mind, and authorizing live fire in a meeting is pre-meditated.

I've read the forum rules and assume its considered inflamatory to even link videos of what happened, but perhaps that will change over time. This is recorded footage and is not censored in Thailand.

Well, that's where the prosecution will have a tough task. To prove that Abhisit/Suthep in their official functions wanted the army to kill protesters. The issuing of live rounds is a simple precaution. Who will send out unarmed the army or police to face armed militants and unknowns lobbing grenades?

As for your logic on office and private persons, well. they handled in official capacity as as private persons they would not be able to command the CRES or army. If they were private persons, the CRES is at fault to allow private persons to command them.

All this is just some more obfuscation and mudslinging, Abhisit nor Suthep killed Thai people, nor did they order the army to kill. Through their actions and commands they caused Thai people to be killed (including 16 non-red-shirts out of 92). If they are therefor guilty of murder than PM Yingluck is guilty of the deaths in the current anti-government protests. Same reasoning, no double standards here.

As for clips, Thai language only clips are discouraged, fake clips are forbidden.

BTW most of us who have been reading TVF for a year or more have seen most clips already a good dozen times. Both the real and the fake ones