Court faults Abhisit over sacking of police chief

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Court faults Abhisit over sacking of police chief
The Nation


Patcharawat: Not in the wrong.

Top national cop was ousted for alleged role in October 2008 crackdown

BANGKOK: -- The Central Administrative Court ruled yesterday that former prime minister Abhisit Vejjajiva's order in 2009 to dismiss then-national police chief Patcharawat Wongsuwan should be revoked.

The court found that the Police Commission later resolved that Patcharawat did not commit any severe disciplinary wrongdoing in connection with the deadly police crackdown on anti-government protesters on October 7, 2008.

The court ordered the former prime minister to have Patcharawat reinstated within 60 days after the final verdict is made.

However, both parties in the case can still appeal against the verdict with the Supreme Administrative Court within 30 days.

In October 2009, Abhisit, who was then prime minister, ordered the dismissal of Patcharawat, who was national police chief in October 2008 when police cracked down on protesters gathering near the Parliament. The protesters had rallied against then-prime minister Somchai Wongsawat.

In December 2009, the Police Commission found Patcharawat did not in fact commit severe disciplinary wrongdoing in connection with the incident, as had been alleged.

Patcharawat said in a petition filed with the court that he had informed Abhisit in writing seven times about the Police Commission decision not to pursue severe disciplinary action against him. But Abhisit told Patcharawat that the Council of State, the government's legal advisory agency, had to be consulted first before the dismissal order could be cancelled, the petition said. However, the then-prime minister still failed to take any action on the matter.

Patcharawat's petition said it appeared Abhisit had been intentionally negligent and acted too slowly on the matter. So he took the case to court, asking for the defendant to honour the Police Commission decision that called for his dismissal order to be revoked.

The National Anti-Corruption Commission was co-complainant in the case.


-- The Nation 2014-03-01

[saakura]

Case from 2008? Justice delayed is justice denied.

[chainarong]

Sounds like a clash of personalities , the police chief back in 2008 would have been appointed by who, that will possibly lead back to the sacking., As stated 2008 is along way back and the courts need to come up to speed on this time factor.

[ChrisY1]

Another suspect case and verdict.....Patcharawat Wongsuwan

[TheClog]

Add it to abisits list

[kimamey]

Does seem to have taken a long time.

Is this another of those courts we keep hearing about who are biased and corrupt in favour of the Democrats?

I see the NACC was involved as well. Maybe the red shirts attacking the NACC could add this to their list of biased decisions they're complaining about.

[whybother]

The other paper has more detail than this.

Abhisit dismissed Patcharawat in 2009 after the NACC found him guilty of mishandling the 2008 protests. The Police Commission then decided that he wasn't guilty and that he should be reinstated.

[mrtoad]

Interesting case, but also suggests that the courts are prepared to give. Verdicts to both sides of the political fence, as they should.

[Gunna]

The other paper has more detail than this.

Abhisit dismissed Patcharawat in 2009 after the NACC found him guilty of mishandling the 2008 protests. The Police Commission then decided that he wasn't guilty and that he should be reinstated.

I saw the same, so the writer seems to have deliberately left this out. ie Abhist sacked Patcharawat after he was found guilty by NACC and the his own Police Commission decided he was not guilty, and then he ( not the Police Commission ) requested that he be re-instated. I would think that following a NACC verdict would be the legal thing to do rather than the Police Commission. Maybe now NACC should lay charges against the Police Commission.

[kikoman]

Now is the time to go after Abhisit for his past crimes and poor decisions!

Justice delayed, is justice denied, but it is still justifiable for the people of Thailand to know the truth about this man!

Cheers

[whybother]

Now is the time to go after Abhisit for his past crimes and poor decisions!

Justice delayed, is justice denied, but it is still justifiable for the people of Thailand to know the truth about this man!

Cheers

Isn't that what you complain about with the way Thaksin's crimes were investigated?

[mrtoad]

Now is the time to go after Abhisit for his past crimes and poor decisions!

Justice delayed, is justice denied, but it is still justifiable for the people of Thailand to know the truth about this man!

Cheers

Isn't that what you complain about with the way Thaksin's crimes were investigated?

They normally don't like to talk about that, as all the charges against Thaksin are in the eyes of The Thai Rouge, politically motivated.

Still waiting for a proper investigation on Tak Bae and the War on Drugs, that would be a good start. Then they can get cracking on all the other abuses of power under the TRT Regime.

[craigt3365]

The other paper has more detail than this.

Abhisit dismissed Patcharawat in 2009 after the NACC found him guilty of mishandling the 2008 protests. The Police Commission then decided that he wasn't guilty and that he should be reinstated.

I saw the same, so the writer seems to have deliberately left this out. ie Abhist sacked Patcharawat after he was found guilty by NACC and the his own Police Commission decided he was not guilty, and then he ( not the Police Commission ) requested that he be re-instated. I would think that following a NACC verdict would be the legal thing to do rather than the Police Commission. Maybe now NACC should lay charges against the Police Commission.

Sounds like Abhisit was following the orders of the NACC. I think the CAC should have filed charges against the NACC, not Abhisit. Crazy.

[geriatrickid]

Sounds like a clash of personalities , the police chief back in 2008 would have been appointed by who, that will possibly lead back to the sacking., As stated 2008 is along way back and the courts need to come up to speed on this time factor.

His brother was the Commander in Chief of the armed forces. IMO he was a political appointee intended to appease factions in the military. In fairness to Abhisit, there may have been legitimate reasons for sacking the guy. Unfortunately, the horse trading and political favour schemes taint everything in Thailand. For all we know, Abhisit may have been stuck with a guy who owed his loyalty to the military and wasn't about to take orders from the Abhisit government.

Bangkok Pundit had an interesting column from back in 2008 when the guy was appointed. He doesn't think the guy had much love for Thaksin. The take away from this is that there is a story within a story buried deep in the political intrigue.

http://asiancorrespondent.com/21098/new-police-chief/

[Tatsujin]

Now is the time to go after Abhisit for his past crimes and poor decisions!

Justice delayed, is justice denied, but it is still justifiable for the people of Thailand to know the truth about this man!

Cheers

Now is the time to go after Thaksin for his past crimes and poor decisions!

Justice delayed, is justice denied, but it is still justifiable for the people of Thailand to know the truth about this man!

Cheers!

[geriatrickid]

Now is the time to go after Abhisit for his past crimes and poor decisions!

Justice delayed, is justice denied, but it is still justifiable for the people of Thailand to know the truth about this man!

Cheers

Isn't that what you complain about with the way Thaksin's crimes were investigated?

They normally don't like to talk about that, as all the charges against Thaksin are in the eyes of The Thai Rouge, politically motivated.

Still waiting for a proper investigation on Tak Bae and the War on Drugs, that would be a good start. Then they can get cracking on all the other abuses of power under the TRT Regime.

How many times do we have to rehash the government intervention against the narco terrorists? There have been multiple investigations of the period, including an in depth review by the Abhisit government, which would have nailed Thaksin if it could have. Whole regions of Thailand had come under the control of the drug cartels. Yes, there were innocent people killed. Yes, there were some dead people. That's what happens when the drug cartels move in. Look at Mexico, Panama, Honduras, and Columbia if if you need examples from the pasty 30 years. The continued claims of a conspiracy by the government of that period are unsubstantiated and have been rejected by every review. What more do you want?

[klauskunkel]

I tried googleing "Thai Police Commission" but didn't find anything. Anybody knows: composition, mandate, appointed by?

[draftvader]

On which model of carrot was that photo taken?

[Thait Spot]

Now is the time to go after Abhisit for his past crimes and poor decisions!

Justice delayed, is justice denied, but it is still justifiable for the people of Thailand to know the truth about this man!

Cheers

And I look forward to your views when the (in your opinion) hastily processed PM is declared guilty of the same crime.

No room for hypocrisy there is there?

Sent from my Nexus 4 using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app

[seajae]

Now is the time to go after Abhisit for his past crimes and poor decisions!

Justice delayed, is justice denied, but it is still justifiable for the people of Thailand to know the truth about this man!

Cheers

talk about a pathetic answer and lack of credibility, mate, you are getting worse, you really should take a bex and have a good lie down,

[icommunity]

Oh no, does that mean AV will be impeached for dereliction of duty? Don't worry, he has the protection of the appointed senators. The Senate will be divided into three factions with the continuous no quorum incidents - boycott the impeachment, vote no and the other faction 'respect my vote'. WOW, LOL. 55555555

[RockyBeerbelly]

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Now is the time to go after Abhisit for his past crimes and poor decisions!

Justice delayed, is justice denied, but it is still justifiable for the people of Thailand to know the truth about this man!

Cheers

Isn't that what you complain about with the way Thaksin's crimes were investigated?

They normally don't like to talk about that, as all the charges against Thaksin are in the eyes of The Thai Rouge, politically motivated.

Still waiting for a proper investigation on Tak Bae and the War on Drugs, that would be a good start. Then they can get cracking on all the other abuses of power under the TRT Regime.

How many times do we have to rehash the government intervention against the narco terrorists? There have been multiple investigations of the period, including an in depth review by the Abhisit government, which would have nailed Thaksin if it could have. Whole regions of Thailand had come under the control of the drug cartels. Yes, there were innocent people killed. Yes, there were some dead people. That's what happens when the drug cartels move in. Look at Mexico, Panama, Honduras, and Columbia if if you need examples from the pasty 30 years. The continued claims of a conspiracy by the government of that period are unsubstantiated and have been rejected by every review. What more do you want?

Another red shirt junta who thinks it acceptable to have innocent people being killed by the Thaksin regime. You probably also cheered (with your udd gestapo friends) when you heard about the 4 children who were brutally mureder last week. You must be a proud govt supporter...

Edited March 1, 2014 by RockyBeerbelly

[Baerboxer]

Oh no, does that mean AV will be impeached for dereliction of duty? Don't worry, he has the protection of the appointed senators. The Senate will be divided into three factions with the continuous no quorum incidents - boycott the impeachment, vote no and the other faction 'respect my vote'. WOW, LOL. 55555555

Your posts are becoming less sensible. Which is a shame.

How could Abhisit be impeached? Is he back as PM already?

Look at all the facts in this case, that a number of posters have kindly supplied details of and references to. Then take a step back and see if you post is sensible or simply a tit for tat tirade against Abhisit,

Yingluck seems to also be in trouble for removing someone from office so a relative can be installed. Now nepotism and cronyism are interesting areas to investigate.

[Calimotty]

Sounds like a clash of personalities , the police chief back in 2008 would have been appointed by who, that will possibly lead back to the sacking., As stated 2008 is along way back and the courts need to come up to speed on this time factor.

Sounds like a clash of personalities

Block layers drivel at it's best

[icommunity]

Oh no, does that mean AV will be impeached for dereliction of duty? Don't worry, he has the protection of the appointed senators. The Senate will be divided into three factions with the continuous no quorum incidents - boycott the impeachment, vote no and the other faction 'respect my vote'. WOW, LOL. 55555555

Your posts are becoming less sensible. Which is a shame.

How could Abhisit be impeached? Is he back as PM already?

Look at all the facts in this case, that a number of posters have kindly supplied details of and references to. Then take a step back and see if you post is sensible or simply a tit for tat tirade against Abhisit,

Yingluck seems to also be in trouble for removing someone from office so a relative can be installed. Now nepotism and cronyism are interesting areas to investigate.

Ohhohoho, of course, AV cannot be impeached. Of course that was also my question? I am still enjoying my coffee.

Edited March 1, 2014 by icommunity

[scorecard]

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Now is the time to go after Abhisit for his past crimes and poor decisions!

Justice delayed, is justice denied, but it is still justifiable for the people of Thailand to know the truth about this man!

Cheers

Isn't that what you complain about with the way Thaksin's crimes were investigated?

They normally don't like to talk about that, as all the charges against Thaksin are in the eyes of The Thai Rouge, politically motivated.

Still waiting for a proper investigation on Tak Bae and the War on Drugs, that would be a good start. Then they can get cracking on all the other abuses of power under the TRT Regime.

How many times do we have to rehash the government intervention against the narco terrorists? There have been multiple investigations of the period, including an in depth review by the Abhisit government, which would have nailed Thaksin if it could have. Whole regions of Thailand had come under the control of the drug cartels. Yes, there were innocent people killed. Yes, there were some dead people. That's what happens when the drug cartels move in. Look at Mexico, Panama, Honduras, and Columbia if if you need examples from the pasty 30 years. The continued claims of a conspiracy by the government of that period are unsubstantiated and have been rejected by every review. What more do you want?

Are you suggesting that around 2,500 Thai people including women and children didn't die?

Are you suggesting that the whole think never happened?

Perhaps this is a bit like yinkluck's statement that food etc., prices were not rising, it's just your imagination.

[Phatcharanan]

Now is the time to go after Abhisit for his past crimes and poor decisions!

Justice delayed, is justice denied, but it is still justifiable for the people of Thailand to know the truth about this man!

Cheers

Here is another truth................

Santa Claus is not real.

[NCFC]

Now is the time to go after Abhisit for his past crimes and poor decisions!

Justice delayed, is justice denied, but it is still justifiable for the people of Thailand to know the truth about this man!

Cheers

Here is another truth................

Santa Claus is not real.

Where is Abhisit these days? Like Santa he seems to have disappeared from the scene

[AleG]

Of course they acquitted him, nothing else could be expected from the Yellow courts and their elite coup mongering puppet masters with their double standards and their...huh? what's that? the court ruled against Abhisit?

Oh, never mind then.

[khunken]

Now is the time to go after Abhisit for his past crimes and poor decisions!

Justice delayed, is justice denied, but it is still justifiable for the people of Thailand to know the truth about this man!

Cheers

Here is another truth................

Santa Claus is not real.

Where is Abhisit these days? Like Santa he seems to have disappeared from the scene

Wisely he is mostly keeping quiet while PTP implodes.

I'm not sure about the implications of this case (which has once again proved that the courts are not biased) as the Op says that the police chief should be re-instated. Retroactively?

Of course this verdict is by the Admin Court which means it can be appealed to the Supreme Admin Court. I suspect it will just give the former chief his 'face' back again (& any consequent back pay) & that'll be it.