Defiant red-shirt hardliner Kotee challenges Army chief's separation movement ban

[TVGerry]

seajae, on 06 Mar 2014 - 10:38, said:seajae, on 06 Mar 2014 - 10:38, said:seajae, on 06 Mar 2014 - 10:38, said:

once again we see how simplistic the reds are, they cannot understand that the protesters were working within their constitutional rights by protesting because the reds disagreed with what they wanted but the reds then decide to call for seperation which is against the constitution and complain it isnt fair. All this does is show the world that the reds simply want everything their way and no one else has any rights, it really does show how stupid and pathetic they really are.

Once again we see how simplistic certain posters on this forum are , when they either deliberately, or because of some learning/reading disability, cannot determine the actions of one man separately to the views of the entire movement of the UDD. It's even written down for you in black and white

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Kotee or Putthipong Kochathammakun, a hardcore red-shirt leader in Pathum Thani, admitted that he ordered the banner to be placed at the pedestrian overpass in Don Muang yesterday after he felt that the red-shirt people were unfairly treated by the Army chief.

Of course it's a lot easier to further your agenda if you feign ignorance, although I'm not sure that you're pretending.

Where the condemnation of the 'one man' then? Why doesn't the government or the UDD come out and say what he's doing is wrong and distance themselves from him? You can pretend and lie to yourself and everyone that it's just 'one man' but when the organization he's tied with doesn't expel him or condemn him, it's as good as agreeing with him.

[fab4]

Scamper, on 06 Mar 2014 - 12:36, said:

" The banner which coves almost the full length of the pedestrian reads “ If this country has no justice, Gu and Mung…better separate the country. "

This is the UDD. Call for separation, threaten the kidnapping of army personnel on red shirt radio, instigate violence on the streets of Bangkok, and then retreat to Cambodia. Then return, deny involvement in all those things, say you were not serious, go back to red shirt radio, and then start all over again and erect a banner of secession. Now that Yingluck and Chalerm are private citizens, do they have any revisionist thoughts on the presence of this movement ?

"This is the UDD"

Oh dear, another one with reading difficulties.

Was the banner signed " this banner is brought to you on behalf of the entire UDD " ?

No, it doesn't, it reads, and I quote

The banner was signed by “Kotee of the red shirt guard of Pathumthan”.

[icommunity]

I hope the Army Chief and those who think the people of the North & Northeast, BKK, and the south should be treated unequally are listening without having to spin, twist and distort.

No one wanted a 'separation' or 'separate the country', but you are forcing us, because of your double standard practices and injustices - socially, politically and judicially, is what I heard from this guy called 'Kotee'.

Edited March 6, 2014 by icommunity

[dickyknee]

Scamper, on 06 Mar 2014 - 12:36, said:

" The banner which coves almost the full length of the pedestrian reads “ If this country has no justice, Gu and Mung…better separate the country. "

This is the UDD. Call for separation, threaten the kidnapping of army personnel on red shirt radio, instigate violence on the streets of Bangkok, and then retreat to Cambodia. Then return, deny involvement in all those things, say you were not serious, go back to red shirt radio, and then start all over again and erect a banner of secession. Now that Yingluck and Chalerm are private citizens, do they have any revisionist thoughts on the presence of this movement ?

"This is the UDD"

Oh dear, another one with reading difficulties.

Was the banner signed " this banner is brought to you on behalf of the entire UDD " ?

No, it doesn't, it reads, and I quote

The banner was signed by “Kotee of the red shirt guard of Pathumthan”.

the *United* Front for Democracy against Dictatorship are separated? ironic given the OP.

Edited March 6, 2014 by dickyknee

[whybother]

I hope the Army Chief and those who think the people of the North & Northeast, BKK, and the south should be treated unequally are listening without having to spin, twist and distort.

No one wanted a 'separation' or 'separate the country', but you are forcing us, because of your double standard practices and injustices - socially, politically and judicially, is what I heard from this guy called 'Kotee'.

The red shirts aren't being treated differently. Look how the army is dealing with the south of Thailand.

[Davidhere]

"Kotee earlier announced on a community radio station which he runs calling on the red-shirt people to kidnap Mah-Gen Wara Boonyasit, commander of the First Division of the Royal Guards, and Col Songwit Noonpakdi, commander of the 11thInfantry Regiment."

The guy must have a death wish!

What's gotten in to him?

Previously, the Red Shirt Leader Ko Tee had always come across as a quiet, peaceful, and mild-mannered man.

[icommunity]

I hope the Army Chief and those who think the people of the North & Northeast, BKK, and the south should be treated unequally are listening without having to spin, twist and distort.

No one wanted a 'separation' or 'separate the country', but you are forcing us, because of your double standard practices and injustices - socially, politically and judicially, is what I heard from this guy called 'Kotee'.

The red shirts aren't being treated differently. Look how the army is dealing with the south of Thailand.

You spin and twisted the issue that is at hand. Why don't you bother to compare that with the treatment of the activities of the dem's pdrc/pcad?

I mentioned in my post: "I hope the Army Chief and those who think the people of the North & Northeast, BKK, and the south should be treated unequally are listening without having to spin, twist and distort."

Edited March 6, 2014 by icommunity

[Mackie]

Of course it's a lot easier to further your agenda if you feign ignorance, although I'm not sure that you're pretending.

Was that a self-description? 100% fab4. Spot on. By the way, you started sounding like Chalerm.

You have no argument here as long as UDD/PTP party officials publicly do not distance themselves from Kotee and condemned him for violent acts his followers committed. In civilized societies rabid dogs are put down before they spread rabies.

Edited March 6, 2014 by Mackie

[fab4]

TVGerry, on 06 Mar 2014 - 12:42, said:

fab4, on 06 Mar 2014 - 12:37, said:

seajae, on 06 Mar 2014 - 10:38, said:seajae, on 06 Mar 2014 - 10:38, said:seajae, on 06 Mar 2014 - 10:38, said:seajae, on 06 Mar 2014 - 10:38, said:

once again we see how simplistic the reds are, they cannot understand that the protesters were working within their constitutional rights by protesting because the reds disagreed with what they wanted but the reds then decide to call for seperation which is against the constitution and complain it isnt fair. All this does is show the world that the reds simply want everything their way and no one else has any rights, it really does show how stupid and pathetic they really are.

Once again we see how simplistic certain posters on this forum are , when they either deliberately, or because of some learning/reading disability, cannot determine the actions of one man separately to the views of the entire movement of the UDD. It's even written down for you in black and white

QuoteQuoteQuote

Kotee or Putthipong Kochathammakun, a hardcore red-shirt leader in Pathum Thani, admitted that he ordered the banner to be placed at the pedestrian overpass in Don Muang yesterday after he felt that the red-shirt people were unfairly treated by the Army chief.

Of course it's a lot easier to further your agenda if you feign ignorance, although I'm not sure that you're pretending.

Where the condemnation of the 'one man' then? Why doesn't the government or the UDD come out and say what he's doing is wrong and distance themselves from him? You can pretend and lie to yourself and everyone that it's just 'one man' but when the organization he's tied with doesn't expel him or condemn him, it's as good as agreeing with him.

Did you miss the announcements about the so called succession made on 2nd March by the Sor por por Lanna group themselves and the government on the 5th?

The logic you are trying to apply is just sad. "If they don't deny it every time some individual decides to make a personal comment they must agree with it"

[whybother]

I hope the Army Chief and those who think the people of the North & Northeast, BKK, and the south should be treated unequally are listening without having to spin, twist and distort.

No one wanted a 'separation' or 'separate the country', but you are forcing us, because of your double standard practices and injustices - socially, politically and judicially, is what I heard from this guy called 'Kotee'.

The red shirts aren't being treated differently. Look how the army is dealing with the south of Thailand.

You spin and twisted the issue that is at hand. Why don't you bother to compare that with the treatment of the activities of the dem's pdrc/pcad?

Because I don't compare apples with oranges. When the PDRC start talking about separatism, then I will start comparing their treatment.

[whybother]

Did you miss the announcements about the so called succession made on 2nd March by the Sor por por Lanna group themselves and the government on the 5th?

The logic you are trying to apply is just sad. "If they don't deny it every time some individual decides to make a personal comment they must agree with it"

Why is it that when ever they something that is potentially positive, "the red shirts are a majority", but as soon as it's negative, "it's just a small independent group"?

[fab4]

Mackie, on 06 Mar 2014 - 13:07, said:Mackie, on 06 Mar 2014 - 13:07, said:Mackie, on 06 Mar 2014 - 13:07, said:

fab4, on 06 Mar 2014 - 12:37, said:fab4, on 06 Mar 2014 - 12:37, said:fab4, on 06 Mar 2014 - 12:37, said:

Of course it's a lot easier to further your agenda if you feign ignorance, although I'm not sure that you're pretending.

Was that a self-description? 100% fab4. Spot on. By the way, you started sounding like Chalerm.

You have no argument here as long as UDD/PTP party officials publicly do not distance themselves from Kotee and condemned him for violent acts his followers committed. In civilized societies rabid dogs are put down before they spread rabies.

If I'm ignorant, I'd hate to be you. Now we've got the personal attacks out of the way would you like to explain your logic for that last sentence - see my post #39 for my view. Don't bother explaining the rabid dogs bit, I've already ignored that.

Edited March 6, 2014 by fab4

[Artisi]

Seems like he has a death wish which might be fulfilled, just like the Sae Daeng problem was overcome - standing around 1 minute and the next - well that's now history - but it certainly eradicated a problem.

[fab4]

whybother, on 06 Mar 2014 - 13:11, said:

fab4, on 06 Mar 2014 - 13:08, said:

Did you miss the announcements about the so called succession made on 2nd March by the Sor por por Lanna group themselves and the government on the 5th?

The logic you are trying to apply is just sad. "If they don't deny it every time some individual decides to make a personal comment they must agree with it"

Why is it that when ever they something that is potentially positive, "the red shirts are a majority", but as soon as it's negative, "it's just a small independent group"?

Is that the case here or is it the reality that this is just one man mouthing off.

You really need to address that "majority" word obsession.

[fab4]

Artisi, on 06 Mar 2014 - 13:16, said:

Seems like he has a death wish which might be fulfilled, just like the Sae Daeng problem was overcome - standing around 1 minute and the next - well that's now history - but it certainly eradicated a problem.

The guy is an outspoken idiot but the solution to that equates in your mind to be murder? Too much hate.

[JRSoul]

"Kotee earlier announced on a community radio station which he runs calling on the red-shirt people to kidnap Mah-Gen Wara Boonyasit, commander of the First Division of the Royal Guards, and Col Songwit Noonpakdi, commander of the 11thInfantry Regiment."

The guy must have a death wish!

What's gotten in to him?

Previously, the Red Shirt Leader Ko Tee had always come across as a quiet, peaceful, and mild-mannered man.

Ko Tee, a legend in his own mind. What there is of it.

[Thai at Heart]

Well. There is no backing out of this one.

Is it a bullet or hanging these days ?

[gemini81]

Seems like he has a death wish which might be fulfilled, just like the Sae Daeng problem was overcome - standing around 1 minute and the next - well that's now history - but it certainly eradicated a problem.

If the cross hairs had been in Dubai to begin with, the whole ordeal wouldn't persist, and the country would have already made some considerable progress in development. None of the other PTP are sly nor clever, unlike the dictator/advisor.

[bigbamboo]

"Kotee earlier announced on a community radio station which he runs calling on the red-shirt people to kidnap Mah-Gen Wara Boonyasit, commander of the First Division of the Royal Guards, and Col Songwit Noonpakdi, commander of the 11thInfantry Regiment."

The guy must have a death wish!

What's gotten in to him?

Previously, the Red Shirt Leader Ko Tee had always come across as a quiet, peaceful, and mild-mannered man.

After the PR disaster on the redshirt stage with that moron from the Thai police Thida is already making Cruella de Ville look like Mary Poppins so he may well need that knife if he wants any chance to stop her ripping his ***** off.

Edited March 6, 2014 by bigbamboo

[Mackie]

Mackie, on 06 Mar 2014 - 13:07, said:Mackie, on 06 Mar 2014 - 13:07, said:Mackie, on 06 Mar 2014 - 13:07, said:

fab4, on 06 Mar 2014 - 12:37, said:fab4, on 06 Mar 2014 - 12:37, said:fab4, on 06 Mar 2014 - 12:37, said:

Of course it's a lot easier to further your agenda if you feign ignorance, although I'm not sure that you're pretending.

Was that a self-description? 100% fab4. Spot on. By the way, you started sounding like Chalerm.

You have no argument here as long as UDD/PTP party officials publicly do not distance themselves from Kotee and condemned him for violent acts his followers committed. In civilized societies rabid dogs are put down before they spread rabies.

If I'm ignorant, I'd hate to be you. Now we've got the personal attacks out of the way would you like to explain your logic for that last sentence - see my post #39 for my view. Don't bother explaining the rabid dogs bit, I've already ignored that.

What personal attacks? I just quoted your own words and turned them against you. Indirectly you admitted that you actually personally attacked other posters. And above all, it seems that you don't like the taste of your own medicine. Still waiting for the official condemnation of a vile man who publicly calls for a civil war in Thailand. Instead, he gets 'royalty' treatment by the Thai police and was escorted from Lak Si in the police van.

[JRSoul]

Is Ko Tee under the impression that Pathum Thani will be part of the PDR of Lanna? Interesting.

[Davidhere]

Did you miss the announcements about the so called succession made on 2nd March by the Sor por por Lanna group themselves and the government on the 5th?

The logic you are trying to apply is just sad. "If they don't deny it every time some individual decides to make a personal comment they must agree with it"

Why is it that when ever they something that is potentially positive, "the red shirts are a majority", but as soon as it's negative, "it's just a small independent group"?

Red shirts have been trotting out that nonsense out for years, whenever the occasion for the need for it arises. It's their feeble effort of their plausible deniability (except no one except themselves believe the plausible aspect)

eg.

"Oh, that wasn't our Red Shirts, that was a different faction"

"We didn't do it, it was other Red Shirts"

"We don't know where Arisaman is or who is supporting him while he's a fugitive"

All the while, the spoiler for it is that whatever the Red Shirt did, it's not condemned by the "other Red Shirts" or the "real Red Shirts"

Also, in addition to never being denounced, there is never any effort to remove the "bad" Red Shirts or kicking them out of the so-called movement. No red shirt is ever punished or ex-communicated or removed from the cause by other red shirts.

It's a pile of dung that rings up, No Sale!

.

Edited March 6, 2014 by Davidhere

[fab4]

whybother, on 06 Mar 2014 - 13:08, said:whybother, on 06 Mar 2014 - 13:08, said:

icommunity, on 06 Mar 2014 - 13:06, said:icommunity, on 06 Mar 2014 - 13:06, said:

whybother, on 06 Mar 2014 - 12:58, said:whybother, on 06 Mar 2014 - 12:58, said:

icommunity, on 06 Mar 2014 - 12:49, said:icommunity, on 06 Mar 2014 - 12:49, said:

I hope the Army Chief and those who think the people of the North & Northeast, BKK, and the south should be treated unequally are listening without having to spin, twist and distort.

No one wanted a 'separation' or 'separate the country', but you are forcing us, because of your double standard practices and injustices - socially, politically and judicially, is what I heard from this guy called 'Kotee'.

The red shirts aren't being treated differently. Look how the army is dealing with the south of Thailand.

You spin and twisted the issue that is at hand. Why don't you bother to compare that with the treatment of the activities of the dem's pdrc/pcad?

Because I don't compare apples with oranges. When the PDRC start talking about separatism, then I will start comparing their treatment.

OK, has the Army chief ordered his lawyers to charge the secessionists in the south (the real ones, the ones that are actually murdering people in the name of succession, not a mouthy individual who is allegedy talking about succession)?

No, I don't think he has. In fact, I'm not sure he has even managed to catch one to set his lawyers loose on.

See my point (well you won't accept it , of course), why doesn't he spend more time concentrating on the real secessionists?

Edited March 6, 2014 by fab4

[TVGerry]

TVGerry, on 06 Mar 2014 - 12:42, said:

Where the condemnation of the 'one man' then? Why doesn't the government or the UDD come out and say what he's doing is wrong and distance themselves from him? You can pretend and lie to yourself and everyone that it's just 'one man' but when the organization he's tied with doesn't expel him or condemn him, it's as good as agreeing with him.

Did you miss the announcements about the so called succession made on 2nd March by the Sor por por Lanna group themselves and the government on the 5th?

The logic you are trying to apply is just sad. "If they don't deny it every time some individual decides to make a personal comment they must agree with it"

Did they condemn him or distance themselves from him? No.

This is not just some individual, he's an influential red shirt leader. Your red spin on things is getting weaker.

[gemini81]

once again we see how simplistic the reds are, they cannot understand that the protesters were working within their constitutional rights by protesting because the reds disagreed with what they wanted but the reds then decide to call for seperation which is against the constitution and complain it isnt fair. All this does is show the world that the reds simply want everything their way and no one else has any rights, it really does show how stupid and pathetic they really are.

And in defiance of a family we all know of as well; lets see how far he thinks he can push it. Communism didn't go down to well in Khao Kho a few decades back against the soldiers, 555.

Edited March 6, 2014 by gemini81

[fab4]

TVGerry, on 06 Mar 2014 - 13:30, said:

fab4, on 06 Mar 2014 - 13:08, said:

TVGerry, on 06 Mar 2014 - 12:42, said:TVGerry, on 06 Mar 2014 - 12:42, said:

Where the condemnation of the 'one man' then? Why doesn't the government or the UDD come out and say what he's doing is wrong and distance themselves from him? You can pretend and lie to yourself and everyone that it's just 'one man' but when the organization he's tied with doesn't expel him or condemn him, it's as good as agreeing with him.

Did you miss the announcements about the so called succession made on 2nd March by the Sor por por Lanna group themselves and the government on the 5th?

The logic you are trying to apply is just sad. "If they don't deny it every time some individual decides to make a personal comment they must agree with it"

Did they condemn him or distance themselves from him? No.

This is not just some individual, he's an influential red shirt leader. Your red spin on things is getting weaker.

Difficulty reading?

[whybother]

Is that the case here or is it the reality that this is just one man mouthing off.

You really need to address that "majority" word obsession.

One man mouthing off and getting a sign printed and putting it up on a bridge ... all by himself?

[steven100]

Army chief Gen Prayuth Chan-ocha 1 - 0 Kotee

Be careful Kotee or you might end up in the firing line ....

[JRSoul]

OK, has the Army chief ordered his lawyers to charge the secessionists in the south (the real ones, the ones that are actually murdering people in the name of succession, not a mouthy individual who is allegedy talking about succession)?

No, I don't think he has. In fact, I'm not sure he has even managed to catch one to set his lawyers loose on.

See my point (well you won't accept it , of course), why doesn't he spend more time concentrating on the real secessionists?

Violent secessionists in the South get shot by the RTA. I'm all for equal treatment.

[whybother]

OK, has the Army chief ordered his lawyers to charge the secessionists in the south (the real ones, the ones that are actually murdering people in the name of succession, not a mouthy individual who is allegedy talking about succession)?

No, I don't think he has. In fact, I'm not sure he has even managed to catch one to set his lawyers loose on.

See my point (well you won't accept it , of course), why doesn't he spend more time concentrating on the real secessionists?

Correct. He hasn't been able to catch one to let his lawyers loose on.

So maybe the red shirts would prefer the army go in and shoot the red shirt secessionists just so that there isn't double standards.