Missing Malaysia Airlines jet carrying 239 triggers Southeast Asia search

[MrWorldwide]

What if the cockpit door was locked and all the passengers were alive for 7 hours ? Only the pilots were dead and its impossible to open a cockpit door from the outside.

That would have been a nightmare scenario for everyone, at least they had time to think about their loved ones, but 7 hours is a long wait when you know you're going to die.

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Not possible. If the captain and first officer are incapacitated, the cabin crew can access the fight deck by inserting a code on a keypad to unlock the door.

Like the rest of the speculation around this tragedy, I've also thought about this and I agree that it would have been far worse to sit on that plane for 7+ hours (longer if you count the time from takeoff to the assumed crash landing ~2500 km off the WA coast) knowing it was only a matter of time. If we consider the possibilities - fire, attempted hijacking, pilot suicide or bizarre mechanical/computer failure - my #1 preference as a passenger would be hypoxia. Easy to say, I guess, but given that I've long advocated the Whitney Houston option for those who want off this planet, it's not a particularly large leap.

[ExpatOilWorker]

Looks like the hard drive on the captain's simulator does not have any incriminating flight scenarios.

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/03/26/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-plane/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

"An ongoing FBI review of the missing jet's pilots' hard drives, including the captain's flight simulator, has not turned up a "smoking gun," a U.S. official with knowledge of the investigation told CNN."They have accessed the data," the official said. "There is nothing that's jumping out and grabbing us right now.

"The official would not reveal what was on the hard drive, but said the Malaysia Airlines pilot did not encrypt any of the files nor did he appear to go to any great lengths to scrub the hard drive when he deleted files last month."

On a side note, I am not impressed by the blurry blobs from the satellite images. If their resolution is actually

that low, seems like they are a waste of money. I still have a sense they are intentionally blurring the images

to protect the actual capability of the satellite.

On a lighter note I wonder how large his porn collection was?

But seriously, many pilots have fltsims at home so whatever he had on his HDD is not surprising,

not even the erased stuff.

With that said here's a report from the SMH yesterday that reveals more speculation on a much more

serious note...links below...

http://media.smh.com.au/news/world-news/mh370-pilot-in-no-state-of-mind-to-fly-5295827.html

http://www.smh.com.au/world/missing-malaysia-airlines-pilot-terribly-upset-by-marriage-breakup-20140326-zqn4p.html

I'm not one for the pilot suicide theory but I do know Lindsay Murdoch (The Age) quite well and I will

vouch that he wouldn't put his name to a BS story.

In other news....

Seems that what appears to be an aircraft fire suppression bottle (fire extinguisher) has floated

onto a beach in the Maldives. In one report it has been dismissed as an explosive device. I have

practical knowledge in many explosive devices including antiship mines and what has washed

ashore in the Maldives is way too small to be an antiship mine. So what is it? I reckon it's

an aircraft engine fire extinguisher bottle....but then again...I have only seen one of these in

my life at that was a long tome ago....here's a pic & some links to verify what I have hacked

here and to help you come to a conclusion on your own...

http://www.maldivesfinest.com/mh370-evidence

http://www.haveeru.com.mv/news/54178

http://aae-ltd.com/extinguisher-bottle-assembly/

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Inmarsat & Doppler extrapolation says Southern IO.

Eyewitnesses & some verifiable debris (even though

some say explosive device) indicate otherwise. Why?

The haystack is becoming rather hard to locate IMO.

And yes the satellite images are purposly blurred to hide

the true imaging capabilities of whichever satellite grabbed

the images....especially if they originated from a Cosmos or

KH series intelligence satellite.

NB...edit to add an "A".

Full picture. Amazing complexity.

[boomerangutang]

It's no secret that the pilot was a big fan of Mr. Ibrahim.
"A day before the plane went missing, the pilot was in the courtroom when Mr. Ibrahim was sentenced to 5 years." source

Those of us who have resided in Asia for awhile, know how complacent passengers can be. For example, Asian passengers on a speeding bus might think to themselves, 'geez, this is a dangerous driver' - but passengers will never speak up or (heaven forbid) take dynamic action - to avert an impending disaster. They're too ingrained with the mind-set that 'the person in charge knows what he's doing.' It happens in hospitals (always taking every drug prescribed) in schools (never questioning the teacher) and with bureaucracy (never saying something like; 'what a load of unnecessary paperwork!').

Along with that, in relation to the missing plane: what are stewardesses instructed to do if the pilot(s) take actions which will lead to danger?

[EyesWideOpen]

It's no secret that the pilot was a big fan of Mr. Ibrahim.

"A day before the plane went missing, the pilot was in the courtroom when Mr. Ibrahim was sentenced to 5 years." source

Those of us who have resided in Asia for awhile, know how complacent passengers can be. For example, Asian passengers on a speeding bus might think to themselves, 'geez, this is a dangerous driver' - but passengers will never speak up or (heaven forbid) take dynamic action - to avert an impending disaster. They're too ingrained with the mind-set that 'the person in charge knows what he's doing.' It happens in hospitals (always taking every drug prescribed) in schools (never questioning the teacher) and with bureaucracy (never saying something like; 'what a load of unnecessary paperwork!').

Along with that, in relation to the missing plane: what are stewardesses instructed to do if the pilot(s) take actions which will lead to danger?

Not sure is China is included with passive behavior of Asians. Recently there was an attempted

hijacking on a domestic flight in China by 6 people. The passengers on board beat two of

the hijackers to death, and captured the other four.........

[khwaibah]

Search for missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 shifts to new area west of Perth

http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/search-for-missing-malaysia-airlines-flight-mh370-shifts-to-new-area-west-of-perth/story-fniztvnf-1226867105992

[DP25]

Latest reports (BBC) say that a Thai sattelite has found 300 bits of debris, I kid you not its on the BBC news site.

What is does not say is that the satellite was built in Pattaya and is powered by a som law contraption, the lenses are a combination of Singha/Leo and Chang lenses which when used in a secret combination, late at night can reveal the secrets of the universe and Boyz town.

The satellite was actually built in France, by EADS, and launched in Russia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/THEOS_%28satellite%29

[Carmine6]

Search for missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 shifts to new area west of Perth

http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/search-for-missing-malaysia-airlines-flight-mh370-shifts-to-new-area-west-of-perth/story-fniztvnf-1226867105992

I don't get it. They've moved the search based on revised estimated fuel usage to 1,850 kilometers west of Perth. While satellite photos seem to show debris 2700 kilometres southwest of Perth, or 2557 kilometres from Perth some days ago.

I hope it wasn't just a new fuel calculation, but also some consideration to expected drift of the things in the satellite photos.

[coma]

All good weather wise today. With all the Sat imagery and the apparent abundance of debris, they should be able to locate something today. If not, then it is a farce.

[MrWorldwide]

Give it a rest, VK - you clearly need an aluminum helmet and a good lie down

Edited March 28, 2014 by MrWorldwide

[ExpatOilWorker]

Good torrent: Ch5.The.Disappearance.of.Flight.MH370.720p.HDTV.x264.AAC.MVGroup.org.mp4

[coma]

Ohhh Lord !! It is confirmed. They have no idea where it is......

The search area for the missing Malaysia Airlines plane will shift to an area 1100 kilometres north-east of the previous location, following the "most credible lead" so far.

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/world/2014/03/28/14/22/search-for-missing-mh370-flight-shifts

Edited March 28, 2014 by Scott
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[hawker9000]

All good weather wise today. With all the Sat imagery and the apparent abundance of debris, they should be able to locate something today. If not, then it is a farce.

It is a farce alright.

How about MAS releasing the cargo manifest.

Maybe there was something on board that was VERY valuable to a certain country...

,,,by the way...why all this flurry of activity by sattellites lately?...Where were they in the last three weeks.

Planes don't get lost in this day and age...there are several 'layers' of surveillance in the skies.

Even Rolls-Royce equips its jet engines with equipment to monitor performance, speed, LOCATION etc

This story stinks to high heaven.

Pilot suicide? Is this how they call black ops these days?

Would you happen to have a source for that? I've been to the Rolls-Royce 'Monitoring Systems' page, and see where it talks about providing the engine information TO various locations, but I don't see where it says engine location is among the parameters being monitored. (Altitude is one thing, but what does an aircraft engine care whether it's operating over Indianapolis or the Indian Ocean?) Otherwise, what are these other "layers" of surveillance of commercial airlines over open water you're talking about?

Oh, and BTW, I also saw on their page where it says the primary means of communicating the data is via ACARS, and so not exactly independent of certain other possible system failures or outages which happen to be a key part of the ongoing MH370 discussion.

I'd love to have access to your library of thrillers before my next 16-hour Pacific flight. I'll bet there's some truth mind-bending stuff there.

Edited March 28, 2014 by hawker9000

[Scott]

If the discussion is going to go further down the conspiracy theory track, it needs to be backed up by reasonable sources.

Let's stay on topic, please.

[EyesWideOpen]

Give it a rest, VK - you clearly need an aluminum helmet and a good lie down

Here is a thought for you. Why on God's green earth would Malaysian Air NOT release

the cargo manifest ? Unless.........wait for it..........they have something to hide. Am not

a big tin hat guy myself, but this refusal to release what should be an entirely benign

document is fascinating.

[Carmine6]

http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/27/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-plane/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

The Australians had a press conference about the movement of the search. I wish this video had included the Q&A as that was the more puzzling part of this.

The reporters indirectly asked about the debris in the satellite photos possibly having ended up in this new area, and the answer somewhat danced around that it wasn't clear. When asked more directly if they'd given up searching for the debris is the satellite photos, the response was along the lines of he wouldn't call it debris, that it wasn't possible to identify it as debris from the plane, and that they searched for it and found nothing. Basically, they seem to have moved this based on what they called a "new lead", which was the re-analysis of radar data that implies the plane ran out of fuel faster. And they have stopped looking for what is seen in those satellite photos farther to the southwest.

Of course they can't waste time if they really believe that they're in the wrong place, but it seems surprising that the whole reason they've been looking in this area was those original satellite photos, plus the analysis from Inmarsat. Yet they are now moving quite a distance north due to some revised calculation about how far the plane could have gone. And ignoring the satellite pictures. If so, it is a shame they got so far off due to those original satellite photos.

Ok, just went back and the original satellite photos were at the southern end of the highest probability location as estimated by the US NTSB at that time. They are now looking closer to or in the next most likely block, which also seems to be where materials might have drifted from the highest probability by now. It also seems closer to the 8:11AM arc than the original satellite objects.

http://s38.photobucket.com/user/mapamapa/media/all_in.jpg.html

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/satellite-locates-malaysian-flight-370-still-flying-seven-hours-after-takeoff/2014/03/15/96627a24-ac86-11e3-a06a-e3230a43d6cb_graphic.html

[Scott]

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[Basil B]

Give it a rest, VK - you clearly need an aluminum helmet and a good lie down

Here is a thought for you. Why on God's green earth would Malaysian Air NOT release

the cargo manifest ? Unless.........wait for it..........they have something to hide. Am not

a big tin hat guy myself, but this refusal to release what should be an entirely benign

document is fascinating.

<deleted>, is making public the cargo manifest going to find this aircraft, I am sure it has already scrutinized by the Malaysians, Chinese, Americans and others.

It is commercially sensitive information that no airline would normally make public.

[Scott]

We do have pilots on the board who can probably better answer about the cargo manifest, but I don't know that it would generally be released to the press. It might get leaked, but I am not sure that it would be released.

[hawker9000]

We do have pilots on the board who can probably better answer about the cargo manifest, but I don't know that it would generally be released to the press. It might get leaked, but I am not sure that it would be released.

...which probably doesn't mean that the appropriate agencies haven't seen & reviewed it. 'An example of information they might dig for in investigations such as this one, that's not necessarily going to be released to the public, just as you say. 'Way too much grist for the rumor-mongering, conspiracy-generating mill but of no more than passing interest to knowledgeable & experienced mishap investigators. I would put the pilot's emails, for example in the same category. I'm sure they're being looked into, but the public simply has no right to know what's in them not relevant to the investigation, no matter how titillating.

'Course, the minute someone makes such a determination (that the <whatever> isn't relevant), voices from the mob are sure to start screaming cover-up & conspiracy. 'Fact of life and not necessarily to be taken too seriously...

Unfortunately, tragic incidents like this with lots of questions and not enough answers are open-season for the small-minded and the attention-seekers. By all means, ask the questions; demand the answers. But at least let the investigations play out before getting too carried away with the accusations & conspiracy-theories.

I know this is "preachy" and I apologize, but I just can't stop thinking about the victims' families (esp children), or even what the victims themselves might've gone through. For those left behind this has got to be hell on earth and the kind of thing that can emotionally scar people. They deserve an orderly, objective, complete, non sensationalized, fact-based process that produces the truth.

Edited March 28, 2014 by hawker9000

[draftvader]

Interesting headline (not too much new content)

Missing Malaysia Plane 'Was Travelling Faster'

The search for the missing Malaysia Airlines plane has shifted after data suggested it was travelling faster than previously thought. Analysis of radar from before contact with flight MH370 was lost indicates the plane was burning up fuel more quickly and may not have travelled as far south over the Indian Ocean. The Australian Transport Safety Bureau described the data as the "most credible lead to where debris may be located".

Search teams have been relocated to scour an area 685 miles northeast of the zone they had been operating in. Some 10 aircraft, including nine military planes, are involved and six ships are being sent to the region. Experts will also trawl through satellite images of the new search zone to identify any possible crash sites.

Any input as to why the plane would have been burning fuel faster or how they might know this?

[NanLaew]

Interesting headline (not too much new content)

Missing Malaysia Plane 'Was Travelling Faster'

The search for the missing Malaysia Airlines plane has shifted after data suggested it was travelling faster than previously thought. Analysis of radar from before contact with flight MH370 was lost indicates the plane was burning up fuel more quickly and may not have travelled as far south over the Indian Ocean. The Australian Transport Safety Bureau described the data as the "most credible lead to where debris may be located".

Search teams have been relocated to scour an area 685 miles northeast of the zone they had been operating in. Some 10 aircraft, including nine military planes, are involved and six ships are being sent to the region. Experts will also trawl through satellite images of the new search zone to identify any possible crash sites.

Any input as to why the plane would have been burning fuel faster or how they might know this?

The only 'tracking' data they have is that 'engines running' ping that Inmarsat have been working wonders with. Once they had eliminated the northern arc and focused on the southern one, the distance/time between pings has helped them determine an overland (sea) speed. In turn, this may be indicating that the plane was flying faster than the assumed nominal cruising speed and burning more fuel. That would tie in with one of the earlier conspiracy theorists here who said that due to the height and direction changes carried out once the plane turned to the west just before entering Vietnamese air space (immediately after the two onboard transmission systems were 'switched off'), and factoring the known fuel load and the 777's average use, that the plane could never have flown so far south.

[3NUMBAS]

A multinational fleet of planes and ships raced Friday to a fresh search zone after a "credible new lead" that Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 was flying faster than first thought before it plunged into the remote Indian Ocean.

Ten aircraft from six countries -- Australia, China, Japan, New Zealand, South Korea and the United States -- diverted to an area 1,100 kilometres (685 miles) northeast of where they have been looking for a week, far off western Australia.

Five Chinese ships and an Australian naval vessel were also steaming to the new zone of interest after the weather cleared following the suspension of the air search Thursday due to thunderstorms and high winds, the Australian Maritime Safety Authority said.

"The new information is based on continuing analysis of radar data between the South China Sea and the Strait of Malacca before radar contact was lost (with the missing plane)," AMSA said.

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/mh370-search-area-shifted-credible-lead-014626605.html#vCbIKb6

[EyesWideOpen]

Give it a rest, VK - you clearly need an aluminum helmet and a good lie down

Here is a thought for you. Why on God's green earth would Malaysian Air NOT release

the cargo manifest ? Unless.........wait for it..........they have something to hide. Am not

a big tin hat guy myself, but this refusal to release what should be an entirely benign

document is fascinating.

<deleted>, is making public the cargo manifest going to find this aircraft, I am sure it has already scrutinized by the Malaysians, Chinese, Americans and others.

It is commercially sensitive information that no airline would normally make public.

These are not " normal " times. As Australia is involved and spending money on the search,

AMSA has requested the cargo manifest.

http://au.news.yahoo.com/a/22136527/malaysia-continues-to-refuse-to-release-full-mh370-cargo-manifest/

And guess what........yes, Malaysia Airlines has refused

to give it to them. As far as I am concerned , at this point Malaysia Airlines is fighting for its life.

So being truthful and forthcoming would be be their best move at this point. While the cargo manifest for any particular flight would not be released as a general business move, what is happening now

is different. Can anybody come with a reason why the data would not be released at this point ??

[NanLaew]

Give it a rest, VK - you clearly need an aluminum helmet and a good lie down

Here is a thought for you. Why on God's green earth would Malaysian Air NOT release

the cargo manifest ? Unless.........wait for it..........they have something to hide. Am not

a big tin hat guy myself, but this refusal to release what should be an entirely benign

document is fascinating.

<deleted>, is making public the cargo manifest going to find this aircraft, I am sure it has already scrutinized by the Malaysians, Chinese, Americans and others.

It is commercially sensitive information that no airline would normally make public.

These are not " normal " times. As Australia is involved and spending money on the search,

AMSA has requested the cargo manifest.

http://au.news.yahoo.com/a/22136527/malaysia-continues-to-refuse-to-release-full-mh370-cargo-manifest/

And guess what........yes, Malaysia Airlines has refused

to give it to them. As far as I am concerned , at this point Malaysia Airlines is fighting for its life.

So being truthful and forthcoming would be be their best move at this point. While the cargo manifest for any particular flight would not be released as a general business move, what is happening now

is different. Can anybody come with a reason why the data would not be released at this point ??

Maybe MAS are not releasing the cargo manifest to the press which I recall was a demand at a press conference. Probably a smart move since the press gallery probably has some members similarly challenged as some on this forum who would, 'Ooh' and 'Aahh' at everything and scream irrelevancies such as, "OMG! They were carrying lithium batteries!!!" and making all sorts of assumptions based on fundamental ignorance. Yes, they can carry frozen orchids and oven-ready chickens on the same flight.

The relevant authorities will have been given the manifest as part of a professional investigation, as opposed to a journo's headline grab on a story that is growing as cold as the waters they are searching in.

[3NUMBAS]

Pilot Zaharie Ahmed Shah is being held solely responsible for veering flight MH370 off course, according to one investigator.

Speaking to USA Today, the unnamed official said Shah 'deliberately' redirected the plane. He was the only one who had the experience and expertise to fly the plane and there was no evidence of a mechanical failure or a passenger hijack attempt.

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/malaysia-airlines-plane-mh370-captain-blame-jets-disappearance-104624481.html#U99trDJ

[Tywais]

He was the only one who had the experience and expertise to fly the plane

Not accurate at all as the copilot also has the skills to fly the plane. Seems I haven't seen much talk about the copilot, only the pilot as the one being suspect.

[boomerangutang]

He was the only one who had the experience and expertise to fly the plane

Not accurate at all as the copilot also has the skills to fly the plane. Seems I haven't seen much talk about the copilot, only the pilot as the one being suspect.

There has been at least some brief references to the co-pilot. He seemed to check out clean. The pilot, however, appears to have had a more intricate (dare I say 'shadowed') recent history.

Re; the (ping-generated) arcs which diverged north and south. The north arc was discounted early on, because for a plane to have gone north, would have brought it close to several countries which have active military issues. Those countries (India, Pakistan, Afghanistan, etc) likely have defensive radar on constant alert. Though, as an aside, Pakistani radar wasn't proving viable when the mission to snuff out Bin Laden took place.

[BKKBrit]

Give it a rest, VK - you clearly need an aluminum helmet and a good lie down

Here is a thought for you. Why on God's green earth would Malaysian Air NOT release

the cargo manifest ? Unless.........wait for it..........they have something to hide. Am not

a big tin hat guy myself, but this refusal to release what should be an entirely benign

document is fascinating.

<deleted>, is making public the cargo manifest going to find this aircraft, I am sure it has already scrutinized by the Malaysians, Chinese, Americans and others.

It is commercially sensitive information that no airline would normally make public.

These are not " normal " times. As Australia is involved and spending money on the search,

AMSA has requested the cargo manifest.

http://au.news.yahoo.com/a/22136527/malaysia-continues-to-refuse-to-release-full-mh370-cargo-manifest/

And guess what........yes, Malaysia Airlines has refused

to give it to them. As far as I am concerned , at this point Malaysia Airlines is fighting for its life.

So being truthful and forthcoming would be be their best move at this point. While the cargo manifest for any particular flight would not be released as a general business move, what is happening now

is different. Can anybody come with a reason why the data would not be released at this point ??

MH told the Australians the information is with Malaysian Police. So perhaps as it's a criminal investigation, their hands are tied. They said as much to the Aussies on Wednesday.

[BKKBrit]

Give it a rest, VK - you clearly need an aluminum helmet and a good lie down

Here is a thought for you. Why on God's green earth would Malaysian Air NOT release

the cargo manifest ? Unless.........wait for it..........they have something to hide. Am not

a big tin hat guy myself, but this refusal to release what should be an entirely benign

document is fascinating.

<deleted>, is making public the cargo manifest going to find this aircraft, I am sure it has already scrutinized by the Malaysians, Chinese, Americans and others.

It is commercially sensitive information that no airline would normally make public.

These are not " normal " times. As Australia is involved and spending money on the search,

AMSA has requested the cargo manifest.

http://au.news.yahoo.com/a/22136527/malaysia-continues-to-refuse-to-release-full-mh370-cargo-manifest/

And guess what........yes, Malaysia Airlines has refused

to give it to them. As far as I am concerned , at this point Malaysia Airlines is fighting for its life.

So being truthful and forthcoming would be be their best move at this point. While the cargo manifest for any particular flight would not be released as a general business move, what is happening now

is different. Can anybody come with a reason why the data would not be released at this point ??

MH told the Australians the information is with Malaysian Police. So perhaps as it's a criminal investigation, their hands are tied. They said as much to the Aussies on Wednesday.

[ZigZagMan]

Interesting headline (not too much new content)

Missing Malaysia Plane 'Was Travelling Faster'

The search for the missing Malaysia Airlines plane has shifted after data suggested it was travelling faster than previously thought. Analysis of radar from before contact with flight MH370 was lost indicates the plane was burning up fuel more quickly and may not have travelled as far south over the Indian Ocean. The Australian Transport Safety Bureau described the data as the "most credible lead to where debris may be located".

Search teams have been relocated to scour an area 685 miles northeast of the zone they had been operating in. Some 10 aircraft, including nine military planes, are involved and six ships are being sent to the region. Experts will also trawl through satellite images of the new search zone to identify any possible crash sites.

Any input as to why the plane would have been burning fuel faster or how they might know this?

Flying at a lower altitude would burn more fuel and reduce range.