'Popcorn Gunman' supported by PDRC in Lak Si attack, police say

[BirdsandBooze]

I`m glad to see that his employer adhered to the law where his wages were concerned and paid him the minimum wage for a hired gun in Thailand - 300 baht per day.

Edited March 20, 2014 by BirdsandBooze

[rubl]

Of course, the police will say.........

Red supporters to the bone.

Anything to accuse PDRC, nothing against their own.

The more I hear about them, the more I support Sutherp and his aim to reform this police force.

That's it buddy, keep cheering on the murdering, coup mongering fascists and put down the RTP for doing their job.

For a rich teacher you seem to have funny ideas and a rather distinct vocabulary.

'murdering, coup mongering fascists' as in those who killed 'only' a few children? As in those who openly warn about robbing banks to finance violence if things will go against their darling 700++ billion rice scam' Yingluck? Fascists as in UDD leader Jatuporn threatening a big battle to be executed 'peacefully'?

[rubl]

Oops. Still as long as he was only firing his Tavor in a defensive way, as some of our more enlightened posters claim, it will all turn out OK.

I suppose that as the ammunition was supplied by the peace loving PDRC it does explain the use of the popcorn bag. He had to keep the shells so that he could explain how many he had used to the PDRC accountants. Suthep is running a tight ship now that the rallies have been going on for 5 months - he's getting a bit low on the readies.

As usual by now the police only 'finds' evidence against violence by possibly PDRC related people AFTER those anti-government protesters had been harassed from protest day one by government, Pheu Thai MP's and members, police, DSI, CAPO and 'peceful' red-shirts. AFTER the police failed to give protection.

Blame the protesters of course, they should have gone home as then PM Yingluck asked them to.

Why do you even bother to waste your time replying to fabby? He's not going to convince anyone of anything; Moreover, there isn't a point of dialogue or comprise in any of his posts.

Moreover, there isn't a point of dialogue or comprise in any of his posts.............................that I can counter intelligently. ("localdrunk" forgot to add)

I'm sure he's big enough to know where the ignore button is. Sorry, did I miss your valuable contribution to this thread, oh, hang on, here it is

"I like him... I actually have a few Popcorn t-shirts..."

Mmmm, insightful...................

Actually 'ignore' is what has given all those red-shirt secessionists and potential bankrobbers their chance. Ignore the Yingluck government blanket amnesty bill, but concentrate on the threat to our darling, poor elite Yingluck.

Edited March 20, 2014 by rubl

[Fat Haggis]

Well, it sure rules out the theory that he was a Thai Navy SEAL if he can't tell the difference between an M16 and a Tavor.

Also rules out the comments that he was a "professional" as he was working with a "spotter" that some members stated as well..

[rubl]

As usual by now the police only 'finds' evidence against violence by possibly PDRC related people AFTER those anti-government protesters had been harassed from protest day one by government, Pheu Thai MP's and members, police, DSI, CAPO and 'peceful' red-shirts. AFTER the police failed to give protection.

Blame the protesters of course, they should have gone home as then PM Yingluck asked them to.

Plenty of Red Shirts in prison from the last protest. And if this idiot hadn't started shooting meters away from the international press who took dozens of pictures oh him including close ups of his face he wouldn't have been caught.

The last protest? You mean one in 2014? As for 2010 it would seem that all 'important' red-shirts are out on bail, provided by this benevolent government.

Now back to the shooter, interesting that he seemed to return fire, as anti-government protesters were shot at, but no pictures or clips of that.

[bkkfaranguy]

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One could assume that Vivat Yodprasert saved the lives of many innocent people at the hands of the murdering coup monger (1992 coup) fascist Ko Tee and is illegitimate street gang of disenfranchised undisciplined youth. He even stated they would terrorize, loot and burn Bangkok, again, under certain conditions. Without this brave mans assistance one could postulate that the casualties would have been much higher and the terrorist regime under the command of an accused terrorist, accused mass murderer, convicted criminal fugitive whose frustration over his electoral futility and is only surpassed by his anti-democratic impulses and his love for coups when he can makes billions from them.

On a side note the police force through there undemocratic minority driven actions have proven yet again that "equal protection under the law" is a principle of democray they just dismiss as it does not suit their agenda.

The true criminals in the above photo are all the people sitting around Vivat.

When reality hits , it's a bit of a shock isn't it, djjamie? Leaves you floundering around looking for something, anything to salvage the situation. And this is your "anything"

"One could assume that Vivat Yodprasert saved the lives of many innocent people at the hands of the murdering coup monger (1992 coup) fascist Ko Tee and is illegitimate street gang of disenfranchised undisciplined youth"

It's all a bit pitiful when it comes down to it. The only thing this lackey is interested in saving is his sorry ass.

Your excuses for this "hero" are just pathetic.

This is very typical of dj, murder or attempted murder is OK as long as its your side doing it and his master manipulation and distrotion of the facts are typical as well. Black May 1992 as he is referring too ended when Gen Suchinda the current coup leader at the time ordered the murder of 52 protesters, 3,500 arrest many of them where totured and over 2000 of them disappearing never to be found. The General later appologized and resigned only to be given the job as Chairman of then Telcom Asia, now known as True, which is well known supporter of the now democratic/yellow party.

[patjem]

"For Mr 'Men' who heads a guard group in the PDRC movement, Gen Winai said his real name has been identified. He also provided shelter for the popcorn gunman while he was in Surat Thani."

Police have issued an artists impression of the Mr.Men they are seeking:

I await the sequel 'Little Miss' series with baited breath......

Little Miss Innocence

Little Miss Absent

Little Miss Puppet

Little Miss Rice Scam

Etc!

[Local Drunk]

Oops. Still as long as he was only firing his Tavor in a defensive way, as some of our more enlightened posters claim, it will all turn out OK.

I suppose that as the ammunition was supplied by the peace loving PDRC it does explain the use of the popcorn bag. He had to keep the shells so that he could explain how many he had used to the PDRC accountants. Suthep is running a tight ship now that the rallies have been going on for 5 months - he's getting a bit low on the readies.

As usual by now the police only 'finds' evidence against violence by possibly PDRC related people AFTER those anti-government protesters had been harassed from protest day one by government, Pheu Thai MP's and members, police, DSI, CAPO and 'peceful' red-shirts. AFTER the police failed to give protection.

Blame the protesters of course, they should have gone home as then PM Yingluck asked them to.

Why do you even bother to waste your time replying to fabby? He's not going to convince anyone of anything; Moreover, there isn't a point of dialogue or comprise in any of his posts.

Moreover, there isn't a point of dialogue or comprise in any of his posts.............................that I can counter intelligently. ("localdrunk" forgot to add)

I'm sure he's big enough to know where the ignore button is. Sorry, did I miss your valuable contribution to this thread, oh, hang on, here it is

"I like him... I actually have a few Popcorn t-shirts..."

Mmmm, insightful...................

You've misquoted me in your post and changed my text. You also misrepresented me in your speculation to the point of actually putting ("localdrunk" forgot to add) I gave an opinion to another member. I wasn't wrong.

Edited March 20, 2014 by Local Drunk

[Fat Haggis]

This thread isn't about the wrongdoings of The reds in 2010, or the Shiniwatras now, it's about a confession from a PDRC guard, that he participated in a law breaking act with regards to the use of firearms in a public place..

This tit for tat about all the other wrong doings should be kept to these threads, this one is about the popcorn gunman, who has confessed, so no point in whining about wrong doings, he broke the law, plain and simple, get over it, move on, if you can't respect a countries Laws and constantly question them, then what brought you to Thailand in the first place, if you abide by the laws of the land in your birth countries, what's so hard to accept the laws of the country you chose to settle in?

There's plenty I don't like, but I'll abide by the laws, and if I break them, as much as I'd like to object, at the end of the day, the law is there for a reason.

[BigMountain]

Funny to watch people try to spin this or just point fingers at the red shirts. Yes.. we know ko tee is a narcissist and prone to violence. I suspect his organization of crime is no where near the level suthep is currently organizing, however. I have no respect for ko tee but at least he is honest unlike suthep

Edited March 20, 2014 by BigMountain

[Rich teacher]

Of course, the police will say.........

Red supporters to the bone.

Anything to accuse PDRC, nothing against their own.

The more I hear about them, the more I support Sutherp and his aim to reform this police force.

That's it buddy, keep cheering on the murdering, coup mongering fascists and put down the RTP for doing their job.

For a rich teacher you seem to have funny ideas and a rather distinct vocabulary.

'murdering, coup mongering fascists' as in those who killed 'only' a few children? As in those who openly warn about robbing banks to finance violence if things will go against their darling 700++ billion rice scam' Yingluck? Fascists as in UDD leader Jatuporn threatening a big battle to be executed 'peacefully'?

Poor Rubi's losing it! I know it must be a sad day for you & your undemocratic dimwitted friends. Sorry buddy, your unlikely dreams of a glorious yellow victory have been literally shot down in flames.

[BirdsandBooze]

"For Mr 'Men' who heads a guard group in the PDRC movement, Gen Winai said his real name has been identified. He also provided shelter for the popcorn gunman while he was in Surat Thani."

Police have issued an artists impression of the Mr.Men they are seeking:

They`re also seeking this man following the planting of 2 bombs in Bangkok.

[Dr Bruce]

As usual by now the police only 'finds' evidence against violence by possibly PDRC related people AFTER those anti-government protesters had been harassed from protest day one by government, Pheu Thai MP's and members, police, DSI, CAPO and 'peceful' red-shirts. AFTER the police failed to give protection.

Blame the protesters of course, they should have gone home as then PM Yingluck asked them to.

Plenty of Red Shirts in prison from the last protest. And if this idiot hadn't started shooting meters away from the international press who took dozens of pictures oh him including close ups of his face he wouldn't have been caught.

The last protest? You mean one in 2014? As for 2010 it would seem that all 'important' red-shirts are out on bail, provided by this benevolent government.

Now back to the shooter, interesting that he seemed to return fire, as anti-government protesters were shot at, but no pictures or clips of that.

The place was full of International Press. They took photos of the people who threw bombs from the bridge, they took photos of the car that rammed the people trying to vote, they took photos of the PDRC guards in green headbands firing at the people trying to vote, they took photos of the popcorn shooter firing at the people trying to vote.

They did not take any photos of Red-shirts, they did not take any photos of gunmen firing at the protesters. Maybe the International Press are all corrupt red-shirt allies or maybe there were no redshirts of people firing at the protesters.

In my opinion it was another case of the PDRC opening fire in response to a bang from one of thier own bombs.

[Spalpeen]

Well, it sure rules out the theory that he was a Thai Navy SEAL if he can't tell the difference between an M16 and a Tavor.

Also rules out the comments that he was a "professional" as he was working with a "spotter" that some members stated as well..

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So you believe the yarn that a balaclava-wearing gunman put an assault rifle in a popcorn bag because he wanted to avoid littering the streets? And you don't believe the more likely conclusion that he was trying to conceal a TAR21, a weapon only available to the Thai military? And his mate with the radio was doing what, checking the lottery numbers?

[Scamper]

These " confessions " that are magically extracted behind closed doors, without legal representation, and then paraded in front of the cameras for " reenactments " is a familiar sight. Whether this man is justly accused or not, this whole spectacle leaves a cautionary impression.

Edited March 20, 2014 by Scamper

[HonestQuietBob]

"For Mr 'Men' who heads a guard group in the PDRC movement, Gen Winai said his real name has been identified. He also provided shelter for the popcorn gunman while he was in Surat Thani."

Police have issued an artists impression of the Mr.Men they are seeking:

I await the sequel 'Little Miss' series with baited breath......

Little Miss Innocence

Little Miss Absent

Little Miss Puppet

Little Miss Rice Scam

Etc!

The shirts would make a fortune .

[casualbiker]

Oops. Still as long as he was only firing his Tavor in a defensive way, as some of our more enlightened posters claim, it will all turn out OK.

I suppose that as the ammunition was supplied by the peace loving PDRC it does explain the use of the popcorn bag. He had to keep the shells so that he could explain how many he had used to the PDRC accountants. Suthep is running a tight ship now that the rallies have been going on for 5 months - he's getting a bit low on the readies.

Strange how the Tavor has changed into an M16! !!

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Very strange indeed. The way he worked with a spotter and used a Tavor show he has much closer links to the military than has been admitted so far.

But Spalpeen according to the OP the shooter used an M16.

It says it there in black and white.

M16 or Tavor doesn't much matter as BOTH went missing during the 2010 riots!

Also the Police are issued M16's there are a few at every main police station.

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[BigMountain]

These " confessions " that are magically extracted behind closed doors, without legal representation, and then paraded in front of the cameras for " reenactments " is a familiar sight. Whether this man is justly accused or not, this whole spectacle leaves a cautionary impression.

Nothing magical about it. He also confessed at a press conference: not exactly behind closed doors

[Fat Haggis]

Well, it sure rules out the theory that he was a Thai Navy SEAL if he can't tell the difference between an M16 and a Tavor.

Also rules out the comments that he was a "professional" as he was working with a "spotter" that some members stated as well..

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So you believe the yarn that a balaclava-wearing gunman put an assault rifle in a popcorn bag because he wanted to avoid littering the streets? And you don't believe the more likely conclusion that he was trying to conceal a TAR21, a weapon only available to the Thai military? And his mate with the radio was doing what, checking the lottery numbers?

How can you deduct what I believed compared to what I said??

Did I say I believed the "Yarn" ..nope, I said it's clear that he wasn't a Navy SEAL.. especially when I said He cannot tell the difference between the 2 weapons.. as in this guy keeps referring to the weapon being an M16.. one is long, the other is short (tavor) very hard for a Military person to mix those up

Did I say anything about the fact he was concealing the weapon for any reason? I posted the other day in a seperate thread that he was smart to cover the weapon to prevent the empty cases from being left behind for fingerprints

It's pretty clear in the picture that the Tavor that's being used, and by this guys confession that at the time, it WASN'T in the hands of the Military, they need to hold their own inquiries once they recover that weapon, and check of the serial numbers, and from which unit it came from..

This guy has stated he had limited training, so that doesn't make him a professional by a long shot (pardon the pun) I've no idea what the guy beside him was doing, the logical thing would be to say he was trying to identify targets, but that again in itself, doesn't make him a professional either.

So the next time you're at the fair and you shoot your BB gun, or your air rifle at upside down cups, and your girlfriend tells you what ones to aim at, will you look upon yourselves as a professional pair of shooter/spotters??

What do I think? I think there's no place for such weapons to be in the wrong hands no matter which side is carrying out the act, especially if they're illegal ones, and you're breaking the Laws of the land whilst doing so

[Fat Haggis]

These " confessions " that are magically extracted behind closed doors, without legal representation, and then paraded in front of the cameras for " reenactments " is a familiar sight. Whether this man is justly accused or not, this whole spectacle leaves a cautionary impression.

How do you know he didn't have a legal representative? you're just speculating, and it's clear you've lived in Thailand for a very long time too, and to that end, why is this such a big surprise to you? This is the Thai way,they been doing these PR shows for a long time too, and they don't give a flying frak about what you think, don't do something stupid that it puts you in front of the cops, and the media and confess all in the first place..

[Morch]

There are, supposedly, over 2000 guards protecting the demonstrations, and according to Mr. Popcorn, but a fraction of them are armed with assault rifles.

That sounds pretty reasonable as those are harder to conceal (I'm sure many of them carry handguns).

Now....out of 2000 guards, some surely with military experience, you hand out an m-16 (or Tavor, whatever) to someone who never handled a firearm before?

Seems a bit far-fetched. Would have thought they would keep those for trusted, experienced guards rather than a "green" newcomer. Maybe someone who wouldn't confess and implicate his buddies in a blink of an eye.

Not saying he isn't the shooter, and not trying to defend shooting into a crowd.

As stated in another post, this whole thing of parading suspects in front of the press prior to trial is just wrong. Not to mention getting those quick confessions.

If the guy is indeed guilty, then Chalerm's jovial attitude (back slapping Mr. Popcorn, making jokes with the reporters) is sorely out of place.

Edit: BUT definitely keep the finger pointing photo ops....they are priceless.

Edited March 20, 2014 by Morch

[firestar]

As usual by now the police only 'finds' evidence against violence by possibly PDRC related people AFTER those anti-government protesters had been harassed from protest day one by government, Pheu Thai MP's and members, police, DSI, CAPO and 'peceful' red-shirts. AFTER the police failed to give protection.

Blame the protesters of course, they should have gone home as then PM Yingluck asked them to.

Plenty of Red Shirts in prison from the last protest. And if this idiot hadn't started shooting meters away from the international press who took dozens of pictures oh him including close ups of his face he wouldn't have been caught.

The last protest? You mean one in 2014? As for 2010 it would seem that all 'important' red-shirts are out on bail, provided by this benevolent government.

Now back to the shooter, interesting that he seemed to return fire, as anti-government protesters were shot at, but no pictures or clips of that.

Any all "important" yellow-shirts, PAD, PDRC or Red Shirt not out on bail? Of course not. But is this guy "all important"? No, he's just a peon, like the dozen Red Shirts currently in prison.

Now back to the shooter, indeed interesting with neutral international journos sitting on both sides there is no pictures or clips of anything but a couple of people waving sticks and all you can go by is it "seems".

[djjamie]

"They should come because popcorn vendors have made popcorn for them," Suthep said, referring to the gunmen at the clash between the red shirts and PDRC protesters before election day. The clash saw some gunmen covering their rifles with popcorn bags.

"Natthawut Saikuar and Jatuporn Promphan should really come … I don't know these popcorn vendors but I really love them."

I don't know these popcorn vendors, but I EMPLOY THEM!

Yes, agreed. You have actually highlighted an aspect of the PDRC that is often misrepresented by the UDD supporters on TVF. That is that the PDRC are majority driven. An organization like the PDRC that is so extensive that Sutehp could not possibly know who all his "employees" are. Like Microsoft, Bill Gates won't be held to account for an employee's actions which in this case was defending innocent civilians against hardened terrorist criminals. Thank you Rich teacher for your highlighting this critical misunderstanding by your peers.

I am a big fan of Vivat for showing courage under fire to protect civilians that were being attacked by the red shirts terrorists overseen by the notorious Ko Tee who by the evident one sided accountability by thakins little helpers shows he acted with impunity. Where is Chalerm bringing Ko Tee to account? He was on the other side firing back at the defender of innocent protestors.

Nope? Forgot that principle of democracy again? Yep, thought so.

[Fat Haggis]

Now....out of 2000 guards, some surely with military experience, you hand out an m-16 (or Tavor, whatever) to someone who never handled a firearm before?

Seems a bit far-fetched. Would have thought they would keep those for trusted, experienced guards rather than a "green" newcomer.

Why does it seem far fetched, how do you think Armies teach their recruits? They hand them a nice big gun, and then start from basics some Instructors are anal, and it's all by the book, but some are more relaxed and will let you get a feel of the weapon, how it feels, the weight etc, before starting the serious business of teaching you how to shoot and kill.

An M16/Tavor/Any assault rifle isn't designed to shoot clay pigeons, they're designed to kill the enemy before he kills you, it really is that simple.

[Fat Haggis]

"They should come because popcorn vendors have made popcorn for them," Suthep said, referring to the gunmen at the clash between the red shirts and PDRC protesters before election day. The clash saw some gunmen covering their rifles with popcorn bags.

"Natthawut Saikuar and Jatuporn Promphan should really come … I don't know these popcorn vendors but I really love them."

I don't know these popcorn vendors, but I EMPLOY THEM!

Like Microsoft, Bill Gates won't be held to account for an employee's actions which in this case was defending innocent civilians against hardened terrorist criminals. Thank you Rich teacher for your highlighting this critical misunderstanding by your peers.

But you can and DO hold Yingluck accountable for the actions of all the red shirts though Jamie ? double standard young man, double standards

You still just cannot accept the fact that even in the act of protecting the PDRC protestors, he did so by BREAKING THE LAW !!!!! What's more is that he isn't accountable for his actions, should he have shot and killed innocent bystanders , by your logic??? And don't say ah but he didn't though, that's irrelevant, I'm asking what IF, would you still think he was a hero if one of your friends was on the receiving end ??

[pedro01]

Talk about putting words into somebody's mouth. This guy is being used as a tool by Chalerm to make his case against the PDRC. Chalerm seems to have found his next new best buddy in the accused.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?list=UU6S1mez4I0c86zEyObiYiKA&v=1KVJCsQ7ObQ#t=314

So it can't be true then?

[Pimay1]

The so-called 'Popcorn Gunman' arrested in relation to the shooting attack in Bangkok's Lak Si district on the eve of the Feb 2 general election confessed that his ammunition was provided by an armed faction of the anti-government People's Democratic Reform Committee (PDRC).

Of couse they failed to mention the confession was after a one sided discussion with a rubber hose.

[Local Drunk]

The so-called 'Popcorn Gunman' arrested in relation to the shooting attack in Bangkok's Lak Si district on the eve of the Feb 2 general election confessed that his ammunition was provided by an armed faction of the anti-government People's Democratic Reform Committee (PDRC).

Of couse they failed to mention the confession was after a one sided discussion with a rubber hose.

Or a pit filled with cobras...

[firestar]

The so-called 'Popcorn Gunman' arrested in relation to the shooting attack in Bangkok's Lak Si district on the eve of the Feb 2 general election confessed that his ammunition was provided by an armed faction of the anti-government People's Democratic Reform Committee (PDRC).

Of couse they failed to mention the confession was after a one sided discussion with a rubber hose.

And the half dozen pictures of him with PDRC paraphernalia, in surrounding of other "guards" are all Photoshopped too right? Everybody is at it, including the BBC and the AFP well known corrupt Red allies trying to discredit the paid southern rubber farmers angelic grass root protesters right?

Edited March 20, 2014 by firestar

[Morch]

Now....out of 2000 guards, some surely with military experience, you hand out an m-16 (or Tavor, whatever) to someone who never handled a firearm before?

Seems a bit far-fetched. Would have thought they would keep those for trusted, experienced guards rather than a "green" newcomer.

Why does it seem far fetched, how do you think Armies teach their recruits? They hand them a nice big gun, and then start from basics some Instructors are anal, and it's all by the book, but some are more relaxed and will let you get a feel of the weapon, how it feels, the weight etc, before starting the serious business of teaching you how to shoot and kill.

An M16/Tavor/Any assault rifle isn't designed to shoot clay pigeons, they're designed to kill the enemy before he kills you, it really is that simple.

Mr. Popcorn said he's been with them for two months. Assuming they do not run a proper army-style training program, one doesn't acquire anything remotely operational level in this time frame. You're just not sent out to the front that quickly.

And again....they have quite a pool of potential shooters to choose from, somehow I don't see Mr. Popcorn as a natural candidate. Probably many got experience with firearms, some even army training. No sense in choosing a raw recruit and start teaching him how to shoot.

Never met anyone who was a natural shot from the minute he touched a firearm. Takes practice.