Jatuporn, Redshirts promise uprising against coup, appointed PM

[pkspeaker]

no they wont. The army is not going to mow down the reds after letting the pdrc facists to cause chaos for months, especially since they would only be asking for a new election to depose the appointed PM that was put in place to appease the pads/pdrcs.

The army is not as pro-pdrc as people think, the upper echelons of it may be, but ultimatly the ranks are filled with alot of poorer conscripts that come anywhere north of bangkok, the reason the reds win elections by landslides is because the majority of the population supports PT-dah.. so the army has to tread lightly, the rally against the appointed dictator will force another election.

I hope the red scumbags a-la Thai Rouge do not march on BKK again but if they do it will not drag on for months. This time the army will kick their sorry asses out on day 1. Lessons learned from 2010. For this reason I doubt if the gutless swine will take on the army.

[marcusd]

It's becoming more and more apparent that Jatuporn, Thida, and the UDD are a spent force. After their last rally only drew 6,000 attendees, when it was touted to be 100,000 plus, and their poorly attended 'leaders' meeting (which gloried over the killing of children) it is obvious they no longer have broad support. People are disillusioned with the current government and no longer consider them as representing their interests, as evidenced by the very low turnout in Red districts for the February 2 elections. Jatuporn can shout all he wants but nobody is listening except the news media, those on the payroll, and a hand full of fanatics. All these grand pronouncements he makes and veiled threats are just so much hot air. He is like a barking soi dog; annoying but of no consequence. If it weren't for Dr. Thaksin's continued funding, this organization would have dissipated and vanished already. It only exists now to be used as a stick by Thaksin. So sad that beautiful Thailand is marred my this soi dog's incessant barking.

I agree and as I have said before.... they are espousing MILLIONS OF REDSHIRTS and can hardly get a rabble mob together now.

All talk hot air and garbage and that is why the army is not doing a coup and why the courts - non political appointees (supposedly) are looking at the law and applying it to the PTP which they cannot stand because they are as corrupt as hell.

As for all those like Fryslan Boppe and Kikomans and so forth, DEMOCRACY is acting for the people when that trust is by an election - not democracy being for a petty few who steal everything and want absolute power. That is how dictatorships and Communism played out.

[HonestQuietBob]

Fact

The Thai people did note Vote Yingluck in at the Thai PM

They voted in their local area MP

These MP then voted for Yingluck to represent them as a Figurehead

If at any time these same MP's decide they want to change the PM, this is totally democratic

If at any time the numbers of MP's in the government become less that the opposition

The the opposition MP's have the majority of votes and can vote in their own PM

This is the democratic system used in Western Countries

I wish many posters on TVF and the crazy Red Shirts would get this into their heads

Yingluck was the number 1 on the list for PM...all votors knew this well in advance of the election.

What "list for PM" ?

Yingluck was number-1 on the party-list for PTP-MPs, that's something different.

When voting for PPP in December-2007, did people know they'd later get PM-Somchai as a result, I doubt it.

The PM is elected by the MPs, not directly by the people.

Can anyone seriously be this dim?

The number 1 position is traditionally reserved for the parties choice as PM.

No conspiracy here.

The voters in 2007 didn't know Samak would get tossed out for hosting a cooking show and there would be a need to elect a new PM. What the 2007 electors did know is that should Samak no longer be PM,for whatever reason, the PPP MP's would elect another member of THEIR OWN party.

No conspiracy here.

The people elect MP's to represent them who then vote for a PM on their behalf. The MP's are the people - appointed senators are not!

Only stupidity here.

[Ricardo]

Fact

The Thai people did note Vote Yingluck in at the Thai PM

They voted in their local area MP

These MP then voted for Yingluck to represent them as a Figurehead

If at any time these same MP's decide they want to change the PM, this is totally democratic

If at any time the numbers of MP's in the government become less that the opposition

The the opposition MP's have the majority of votes and can vote in their own PM

This is the democratic system used in Western Countries

I wish many posters on TVF and the crazy Red Shirts would get this into their heads

Yingluck was the number 1 on the list for PM...all votors knew this well in advance of the election.

What "list for PM" ?

Yingluck was number-1 on the party-list for PTP-MPs, that's something different.

When voting for PPP in December-2007, did people know they'd later get PM-Somchai as a result, I doubt it.

The PM is elected by the MPs, not directly by the people.

Can anyone seriously be this dim?

The number 1 position is traditionally reserved for the parties choice as PM.

No conspiracy here.

The voters in 2007 didn't know Samak would get tossed out for hosting a cooking show and there would be a need to elect a new PM. What the 2007 electors did know is that should Samak no longer be PM,for whatever reason, the PPP MP's would elect another member of THEIR OWN party.

No conspiracy here.

The people elect MP's to represent them who then vote for a PM on their behalf. The MP's are the people - appointed senators are not!

Only stupidity here.

Flames and sneers aside, if I accept your logic that the party-list for MPs is actually a vote for who should be PM (which I don't), then shouldn't Samak's replacement logically have been whoever was number-2 on PPP's party-list ?

And how to justify MPs who vote for someone from another party, as PM, as often happens with a coalition ?

My point was, and remains, that there is no such thing as a "list for PM", merely a party-list for MPs.

[stickylies]

"don't blame the politicians [for your problems]. they are merely a reflection of yourselves"

(prot, 1995)

[seajae]

As with previous red shirt protests, it will be fully justified. Without them to uphold democracy the country would be run by the judges and army generals.

yes, we have all seen red shirt democracy, "do as we say or we will start shooting and burning", there is nothing democratic about it. They are against the courts not because of the truth but because their people are being found rightly guilty and that p*sses them off as they think they should be able to do as they please.

The courts are the voice of reason and of the people but the ptp/red and their supporters dont like the because they are doing their job and finding guilt where it lies, in the ptp. Democracy is what all people want not just for the reds with their biased propaganda

[HonestQuietBob]

Flames and sneers aside, if I accept your logic that the party-list for MPs is actually a vote for who should be PM (which I don't), then shouldn't Samak's replacement logically have been whoever was number-2 on PPP's party-list ?

And how to justify MPs who vote for someone from another party, as PM, as often happens with a coalition ?

My point was, and remains, that there is no such thing as a "list for PM", merely a party-list for MPs.

Nobody is claiming that there is a list for PM - there isn't.

ChrisY1 obviously meant that Yingluck was number 1 on the party list and as such the parties nominee for PM and everyone knew that.

Anyone not hell bent on pushing a cause can see what he meant and wouldn't bother dishonestly veering off on a disingenuous tangent, at most they would politely correct him.

This forum is not a place for pedants, there are too many non native English speakers here to be holding everyone to too high a grammatical and spelling standard.

In a parliamentary system, the party with the majority in the lower house (the people's house) elect a PM from within their own ranks. If they so desire the can elect a new PM every week (although this would probably annoy the King as he has to sign off on a new PM).

The OP is claiming that as there are no longer any MP's it is perfectly fine for the senators to select a new PM when YL gets impeached - it's not.

Senators are not lower house MP's and unelected senators are not representative of the people, therefore under normal circumstances they have no right to elect a PM.

The anti-democratic forces have twisted and contorted the system into something unrecognisable to try and illegitimately get their way.

Their actions should be opposed by all right minded and honest individuals.

[allan michaud]

"Experts fear that the ruling meant Thailand would lack a functioning government in weeks to come,"

Errm, I think 'weeks' is more than a little optimistic, it will be months or possibly even years at this rate.

[nong38]

I find it worrying that a Jatuporn has risen to his current position and its not inconceivable that he might get to be PM one day, man whose brain and mouth often dont seem linked to reality. He seems happy to lead the red shirts into a possible civil war rather than to build bridges and hand out olive branches. A typical Thai politician then, my way or no way, we must hope for a new strain of politicians to come forward to save the country and its democracy, people who are willing to listen and consider things that are not their ways and things they may not have heard before.

[Roadman]

When the vacuum hits then "He who knows best" should appoint the Army as the political adjudicator. This time around the Army needs to stay out of setting Law and coach and mentor those from all walks of life to set Law and have these people administer and abide by them. If you wanted to find the best persons for each reform group then hold quickfire pick your candidate Television show...elimination heats first week then knock out voting through quarters, semis and finals for each set of group positions in second week. Make appointments then have a one night knock out selection for each group leader .... of course you would worry that the candidates are being government selected by number plates...

Edited March 22, 2014 by Roadman

[rametindallas]

This time, it’s serious: Thailand’s upcountry is preparing for civil war

http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/regions/asia-pacific/thailand/140320/time-it-s-serious-thailand-s-upcountry-preparing-

Edited March 22, 2014 by rametindallas

[Fat Haggis]

Neither do the yellows, So who is left?

who are the yellows?

My Thai wife from Issan was in the protest

and you would have a very sore face if you say to her face she is a Yellow Shirt

They went out of style years ago

This protest was about thai upset "Thai people"

of I see that does not suit your argument

Oh , so you're not a Thai then? Just as well your opinions, just like mine then mean Jack Shyt to the real Thai people that can and want to vote, but are being impeded from doing so..

[fab4]

"Let me just say this," he continued, "the day Thailand loses democracy, either by a military coup or the appointment of the so-called neutral Prime Minister, it would be the 'D-Day' for all Redshrits".

What does the "D" stand for, Jatuporn?

Duped.

Why would the D stand for "duped" when he is referring to the day Thailand loses democracy by a coup or an appointed PM?

Do you think he is wrong and that those two actions are justified? Or is this just the continuing saga of your hatred of anything Jatuporn or UDD? Thailand has been duped by those idiots cheering because the election has been nullified by the CC.

Edited March 22, 2014 by fab4

[Roadman]

It's becoming more and more apparent that Jatuporn, Thida, and the UDD are a spent force. After their last rally only drew 6,000 attendees, when it was touted to be 100,000 plus, and their poorly attended 'leaders' meeting (which gloried over the killing of children) it is obvious they no longer have broad support. People are disillusioned with the current government and no longer consider them as representing their interests, as evidenced by the very low turnout in Red districts for the February 2 elections. Jatuporn can shout all he wants but nobody is listening except the news media, those on the payroll, and a hand full of fanatics. All these grand pronouncements he makes and veiled threats are just so much hot air. He is like a barking soi dog; annoying but of no consequence. If it weren't for Dr. Thaksin's continued funding, this organization would have dissipated and vanished already. It only exists now to be used as a stick by Thaksin. So sad that beautiful Thailand is marred my this soi dog's incessant barking.

"Soi dog"...I like...apt description.

[Fryslan boppe]

Neither do the yellows, So who is left?

who are the yellows?

My Thai wife from Issan was in the protest

and you would have a very sore face if you say to her face she is a Yellow Shirt

They went out of style years ago

This protest was about thai upset "Thai people"

of I see that does not suit your argument

"This protest was about thai upset "Thai people"

This thing is not a "protest"

It is a power-move by unelectables to force their way into governance via non-electoral means.

A power-play exactly like the one in 2006, with many of the same players.

A power-play they are trying to obscure by phony self-righteous and indignant huffing and puffing about Political issues...Issues that in a normal, non-coup-intentioned circumstance, would be 'huffed and puffed' about in Parliament by the Opposition.

Unlike 2006, there is some apprehension I notice...They haven't barged in this time, with all military guns ablaze..They are still trying to make a coup not appear to be a coup, by using their Independent organization and judicial tools..... But this time the political landscape is different.

Their 2006 caper had the unintended consequence of spawning a huge uprising of a Pro-Democracy Movement, which has used the intervening period to politicize millions. They are walking gingerly to a confrontation with this Movement but somewhat concerned about the consequences.

We will soon see if they take the plunge, Pro-democracy Movement be damned.

Edited March 22, 2014 by Fryslan boppe

[Jawnie]

It's becoming more and more apparent that Jatuporn, Thida, and the UDD are a spent force. After their last rally only drew 6,000 attendees, when it was touted to be 100,000 plus, and their poorly attended 'leaders' meeting (which gloried over the killing of children) it is obvious they no longer have broad support. People are disillusioned with the current government and no longer consider them as representing their interests, as evidenced by the very low turnout in Red districts for the February 2 elections. Jatuporn can shout all he wants but nobody is listening except the news media, those on the payroll, and a hand full of fanatics. All these grand pronouncements he makes and veiled threats are just so much hot air. He is like a barking soi dog; annoying but of no consequence. If it weren't for Dr. Thaksin's continued funding, this organization would have dissipated and vanished already. It only exists now to be used as a stick by Thaksin. So sad that beautiful Thailand is marred my this soi dog's incessant barking.

Saying all of this doesn't make it true. PM Yingluck is the elected PM. If she is removed from office by something other than another election, her supporters have every right to protest. I mean, if Suthep can shut down Bkk for months, surely those who voted for the PM have the same rights, also. Respect their votes!

[Fat Haggis]

Neither do the yellows, So who is left?

who are the yellows?

The yellows are not wearing yellow anymore and the red shirts are not wearing red. That does not change the fact that both sides are still dishonest and corrupt.

This has to be one of the most relevant posts regarding the current situation but the blind hatred by so many Farangs over a Thai Political issue is staggering..

[wolfmanjack]

Yingluck was the number 1 on the list for PM...all votors knew this well in advance of the election.

What "list for PM" ?

Yingluck was number-1 on the party-list for PTP-MPs, that's something different.

When voting for PPP in December-2007, did people know they'd later get PM-Somchai as a result, I doubt it.

The PM is elected by the MPs, not directly by the people.

Can anyone seriously be this dim?

The number 1 position is traditionally reserved for the parties choice as PM.

No conspiracy here.

The voters in 2007 didn't know Samak would get tossed out for hosting a cooking show and there would be a need to elect a new PM. What the 2007 electors did know is that should Samak no longer be PM,for whatever reason, the PPP MP's would elect another member of THEIR OWN party.

No conspiracy here.

The people elect MP's to represent them who then vote for a PM on their behalf. The MP's are the people - appointed senators are not!

Only stupidity here.

Flames and sneers aside, if I accept your logic that the party-list for MPs is actually a vote for who should be PM (which I don't), then shouldn't Samak's replacement logically have been whoever was number-2 on PPP's party-list ?

And how to justify MPs who vote for someone from another party, as PM, as often happens with a coalition ?

My point was, and remains, that there is no such thing as a "list for PM", merely a party-list for MPs.

Actually under that logic Samsak should never have been replaced. He was eligible to be re voted in as PM so if he was the peoples choice then he should have been re voted in. Instead thaksin decided he was not following orders anymore and decided to replace him with someone that would.

[Fryslan boppe]

Fact

The Thai people did note Vote Yingluck in at the Thai PM

They voted in their local area MP

These MP then voted for Yingluck to represent them as a Figurehead

If at any time these same MP's decide they want to change the PM, this is totally democratic

If at any time the numbers of MP's in the government become less that the opposition

The the opposition MP's have the majority of votes and can vote in their own PM

This is the democratic system used in Western Countries

I wish many posters on TVF and the crazy Red Shirts would get this into their heads

Yingluck was the number 1 on the list for PM...all votors knew this well in advance of the election.

and a fine job she has done too ....... right ?

Right.

Consult the election just nullified, for affirmation.

[fab4]

Whatever the arguments are, we have a corrupt moron "acting" prime minister now, who doesn't even know which box to put her own ballot in and who lies, cries and tries to pull the wool over uneducated people's eyes so that her corrupt, evil brother can come back to Thailand.

Thaksin is a coward. Can't even face the music. You do something wrong, you pay the price. What a sissy coward punk.

I think you may have missed a cliche

[Fryslan boppe]

Well the army are not going to give Jatuporn the coup he and his paymaster have been doing their best to incite so it looks like plan B has to come into operation.

They will now come out and fight against an appointed PM and of course any reforms that would diminish their ability to rip off the country.

No problem if those they lead (from behind or the other side of the world) die or the country is wrecked in the process.

Power and the ability to enrich themselves must be held on to at any cost.

"Well the army are not going to give Jatuporn the coup he and his paymaster have been doing their best to incite so it looks like plan B has to come into operation."

Back to the "White is black, and black is white" nonsense.

[Roadman]

The day the red terrorists try to replicate their 2010 actions in Bangkok will be a turning point for the country ,It will determine if the security forces can and will clamp down ,with force,immediately.If they dont because of their red political masters,its over for Thailand economic development and foreign presence

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The Army will this time around and they will do it correctly and swiftly at the leaders at the start of UDD/Red violence ...hence the rightful and correct warning to Jatuporn from Khun General Prayuth that he is not going to take any of his terrorism activity this time around. And good job too.

[Roadman]

Neither do the yellows, So who is left?

who are the yellows?

The yellows are not wearing yellow anymore and the red shirts are not wearing red. That does not change the fact that both sides are still dishonest and corrupt.

This has to be one of the most relevant posts regarding the current situation but the blind hatred by so many Farangs over a Thai Political issue is staggering..

Its not staggering that westerners can spot corruption, theft and low life peddlers of dictatorial rule on all sides. But when it is on the scale that these Shinawatra and Phea Thai soi dogs are applying it and with immunity above the law cause oh let me see the only requirement for democracy is to win an election then the hatred is very understandable for low life scum.

Edited March 22, 2014 by Roadman

[Fryslan boppe]

Fact

The Thai people did note Vote Yingluck in at the Thai PM

They voted in their local area MP

These MP then voted for Yingluck to represent them as a Figurehead

If at any time these same MP's decide they want to change the PM, this is totally democratic

If at any time the numbers of MP's in the government become less that the opposition

The the opposition MP's have the majority of votes and can vote in their own PM

This is the democratic system used in Western Countries

I wish many posters on TVF and the crazy Red Shirts would get this into their heads

Those voting for PT were well aware of who was going to be made PM given a PT victory. Duh!

The same is true in Canada, however there isn't a requirement that the person named before the election as the likely head of government will be the head of government (Prime Minister in this case). The elected MP's could change their mind and elect someone different than the person the party said would be the Prime MInister. So you are both right.

"So you are both right"

No they are not.

Only "Rich Teacher' is correct.

There was not a smidgin of doubt by Thai voters, that Ms. Y. would be the PM if they voted for the PTP......They did, and got the PM they voted for.

To suggest that technically in Canada:

"....however there isn't a requirement that the person named before the election as the likely head of government will be the head of government (Prime Minister in this case). The elected MP's could change their mind and elect someone different than the person the party said would be the Prime MInister"

That has never occurred to my knowledge, and yours probably either...To suggest the possibility of an aberation from the moon is relevant, doesn't fly.

I emphasize this in order not to give succor to PAD-dem's, who desperately want to believe that Ms. Y. has limited electoral support, while at the same time being scared out-of-their-wits about facing her in another election.

Edited March 22, 2014 by Fryslan boppe

[Dogmatix]

D-day for all red shirts. Does that mean they will arrive by boat?

[bkkjames]

D-day for all red shirts. Does that mean they will arrive by boat?

Yea by boat from ayutthaya escorted by the police

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[Fryslan boppe]

As with previous red shirt protests, it will be fully justified. Without them to uphold democracy the country would be run by the judges and army generals.

Abject nonsense. There is no democracy in Thailand. The current regime can be best described as kleptocracy mixed with blatant nepotism from the top to the bottom. It is so obvious that even students with learning difficulties should be able to spot it. Let alone teachers.

The moment you let any country be run by a convicted criminal via social media you automatically lose your credibility and legitimacy. In any western democracy, there is no way the electorate would allow their government to be run by a convicted criminal. The government would be gone. As simple as that.

" The current regime can be best described as...."

And the above quote is followed by PAD-Dem, Elitist, coup-mongering mantra's and insight that somehow the Electoral Majority of Thailand have missed completely.

So that litany of PAD-Dem demonization of the PTP is correct and millions of voters are blind?....Really?...or could it be vice-versa

I believe the 'versa"

However, that mantra certainly serves a purpose.....The gullible among us could come to believe that these alleged bad things are the motive for the coup-mongers, instead of just the make-believe cover for their self-serving, unelected power-grab intentions.

Edited March 22, 2014 by Fryslan boppe

[Wombat6]

Not sure why all these people have their signs written in English.??? Respect is something earned. How can anyone repect a person who sells their vote or votes for people who are intelligence deficient or are useless in their job and are blatantly corrupt.. How can anyone repect a voter who cheers when the killing of Children was announced at a rally. How can these voters be respected when their elected Government engages in various schemes that only benefits themseves (at the Taxpayers expense), I challenge them to advise anything good that this "elected" Government has done.

[Baerboxer]

As with previous red shirt protests, it will be fully justified. Without them to uphold democracy the country would be run by the judges and army generals.

Your usual nonsense. Who decides what's "justified" a terrorist out on bail, known thug, and breaker of his bail terms countless times? A veteran communist whose idea of democracy is a one party state with self appointed people like herself as "being more equal"? Or the convicted criminal fugitive on the run from a prison sentence and 15 serious outstanding court cases.

PTP should set an example - obey the law, follow all procedures, and set out policies that will win them the people's mandate. They can't because they have their own agenda, have skimmed too much through greed, and proven to be totally inept through nepotism and cronyism.

UDD/PTP/Red Shirts are no more interested in democracy, the people or the rule of real law than Stalin, Mugabe, Marcos or Hun Set.

They are either playing a big poker style bluff, seeing which side as the biggest balls, or it really is going to get very nasty. I hope the former for the sake of Thailand and its people. I suspect it may be the latter as Thaksin's mob are like rats backed into a corner. If their activities of the last 2 years are opened to public - well maybe they have to go all or nothing.

They will never run this country in anyway other than for the benefit of themselves.

[AleG]

Fact

The Thai people did note Vote Yingluck in at the Thai PM

They voted in their local area MP

These MP then voted for Yingluck to represent them as a Figurehead

If at any time these same MP's decide they want to change the PM, this is totally democratic

If at any time the numbers of MP's in the government become less that the opposition

The the opposition MP's have the majority of votes and can vote in their own PM

This is the democratic system used in Western Countries

I wish many posters on TVF and the crazy Red Shirts would get this into their heads

Those voting for PT were well aware of who was going to be made PM given a PT victory. Duh!

The same is true in Canada, however there isn't a requirement that the person named before the election as the likely head of government will be the head of government (Prime Minister in this case). The elected MP's could change their mind and elect someone different than the person the party said would be the Prime MInister. So you are both right.

"So you are both right"

No they are not.

Only "Rich Teacher' is correct.

There was not a smidgin of doubt by Thai voters, that Ms. Y. would be the PM if they voted for the PTP......They did, and got the PM they voted for.

To suggest that technically in Canada:

"....however there isn't a requirement that the person named before the election as the likely head of government will be the head of government (Prime Minister in this case). The elected MP's could change their mind and elect someone different than the person the party said would be the Prime MInister"

That has never occurred to my knowledge, and yours probably either...To suggest the possibility of an aberation from the moon is relevant, doesn't fly.

I emphasize this in order not to give succor to PAD-dem's, who desperately want to believe that Ms. Y. has limited electoral support, while at the same time being scared out-of-their-wits about facing her in another election.

There was not a smidgin of doubt by Thai voters, that Ms. Y. would be the PM if they voted for the PTP......They did, and got the PM they voted for.

Actually they got Thaksin, the unelected. Yingluck is nothing but a figurehead so that intellectually dishonest supporters can talk about legitimetely elected governments.