DSI to probe Suthep's 'people coup' speech

[bigbamboo]

There you have it. He is a raving lunitic. He has just said he wants to be dictator. With him there will be no democray. This is the same thing as "les majesty". He is going against the wishes of His Majesty the King.

Meet the new boss. Same as the old boss.

[marcusd]

Isn't vowing to,rebel,against the courts decisions in the same vain as this twaddle?

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[marcusd]

Tharits day of reckoning will come... Something between the two extremes of Thaksin government and pdrc needs to be done. Personally I think the army should have stepped in my now but then the head of the army seems to only be worried about retiring with an unblemished record?

Something between the two extremes is called an election. Let the people's voice be heard - it's about time, isn't it?

poo.. Are you for real? Is a election an election when it,is bought?

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[oldsailor35]

So all of those Suthep fans who were so vociferous in claiming Suthep has no interest in putting himself in power, what do you have to say now after this speech? <Mr. Suthep has said he would install himself as a "Sovereign Body" and present his own list of Prime Minister and Cabinet members to His Majesty the King to seek his Royal Approval. The PCAD will establish unelected legislative bodies afterwards, he explained, and implement series of "reforms" in Thailand.>

That's democracy then is it? He's bonkers and the cause of a lot of needless violence and deaths.

Its far more democratic than having members of the Shinawatra clan hand picked by one sad old fugitive in Arabia

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we hear so much crap from Suthep and the Dems saying that Thaksin is controlling everything, but is there any definate proof of this, if so please show it. Until then i will just have to believe that it is all lies and Dem/PRDC propaganda being used as their main weapon.

[pookiki]

Tharits day of reckoning will come... Something between the two extremes of Thaksin government and pdrc needs to be done. Personally I think the army should have stepped in my now but then the head of the army seems to only be worried about retiring with an unblemished record?

Something between the two extremes is called an election. Let the people's voice be heard - it's about time, isn't it?

poo.. Are you for real? Is a election an election when it,is bought?

Marcusd. Via tapatalk

Same old story. Can you come up with another excuse that isn't so lame. Or is your brain anesthetized by Suthep's rants?

[scorecard]

Yeah, refer it to chalerm and surapong for legal advice, way to go.

[scorecard]

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So all of those Suthep fans who were so vociferous in claiming Suthep has no interest in putting himself in power, what do you have to say now after this speech? <Mr. Suthep has said he would install himself as a "Sovereign Body" and present his own list of Prime Minister and Cabinet members to His Majesty the King to seek his Royal Approval. The PCAD will establish unelected legislative bodies afterwards, he explained, and implement series of "reforms" in Thailand.>
That's democracy then is it? He's bonkers and the cause of a lot of needless violence and deaths.

Its far more democratic than having members of the Shinawatra clan hand picked by one sad old fugitive in Arabia

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we hear so much crap from Suthep and the Dems saying that Thaksin is controlling everything, but is there any definate proof of this, if so please show it. Until then i will just have to believe that it is all lies and Dem/PRDC propaganda being used as their main weapon.

Are you blind? Can you read / have you not read the news reports where pt members / politicians have made direct comments about directions from the paymaster?

Can you analyze? Ever heard of beyond any reasonable doubt?

we hear so much crap from Suthep and the Dems saying that Thaksin is controlling everything, but is there any definate proof of this

[Alwyn]

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So all of those Suthep fans who were so vociferous in claiming Suthep has no interest in putting himself in power, what do you have to say now after this speech? <Mr. Suthep has said he would install himself as a "Sovereign Body" and present his own list of Prime Minister and Cabinet members to His Majesty the King to seek his Royal Approval. The PCAD will establish unelected legislative bodies afterwards, he explained, and implement series of "reforms" in Thailand.>

That's democracy then is it? He's bonkers and the cause of a lot of needless violence and deaths.

Its far more democratic than having members of the Shinawatra clan hand picked by one sad old fugitive in Arabia

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we hear so much crap from Suthep and the Dems saying that Thaksin is controlling everything, but is there any definate proof of this, if so please show it. Until then i will just have to believe that it is all lies and Dem/PRDC propaganda being used as their main weapon.

Are you blind? Can you read / have you not read the news reports where pt members / politicians have made direct comments about directions from the paymaster?

Can you analyze? Ever heard of beyond any reasonable doubt?

we hear so much crap from Suthep and the Dems saying that Thaksin is controlling everything, but is there any definate proof of this

what amazes me, when something is said about Thaksin eg, he's the paymaster etc - the Suthep fans will say it's all true despite any lack of evidences and become quite insulting to anybody who doesn't agree with them. Yet when something is said about Suthep, "it's not true, don't believe what you read".. Talk about brainwashing and rose-tinted glasses!

[Crushdepth]

What took them so long he made is mad max speech on Saturday.

What's the rush?

[rebelplatoon]

So all of those Suthep fans who were so vociferous in claiming Suthep has no interest in putting himself in power, what do you have to say now after this speech? <Mr. Suthep has said he would install himself as a "Sovereign Body" and present his own list of Prime Minister and Cabinet members to His Majesty the King to seek his Royal Approval. The PCAD will establish unelected legislative bodies afterwards, he explained, and implement series of "reforms" in Thailand.>

That's democracy then is it? He's bonkers and the cause of a lot of needless violence and deaths.

Maybe a good idea you read the other threads.... It was a nonsense article, he never said it as such. All he did was say: We will drive Ms. flower out of office. Be ready for action when I blow my whistle. It might take as long as 15 days.

I do however agree that both sides need to be made redundant as they are not adding anything. That is the PDRC and the Red militia of the Sae Khu clan (the original Chinese name of the Shins, only changed in 1938). They are only causing a wider divide where there is still possibility for a solution. In order to do so certain laws need to be adjusted as well as the electoral laws, which now serve the Phue Thai regime (formerly the PPP formerly the TRT, both undone by electoral fraud). This would cause an interval in which a business government would be a good idea. Then elections when all is done and then maybe, just maybe the possibility to put all this behind us and even work together. This polarizing society, using the masses for their own benefit, both sides, has been going on long enough.

[Thait Spot]

So all of those Suthep fans who were so vociferous in claiming Suthep has no interest in putting himself in power, what do you have to say now after this speech? <Mr. Suthep has said he would install himself as a "Sovereign Body" and present his own list of Prime Minister and Cabinet members to His Majesty the King to seek his Royal Approval. The PCAD will establish unelected legislative bodies afterwards, he explained, and implement series of "reforms" in Thailand.>

That's democracy then is it? He's bonkers and the cause of a lot of needless violence and deaths.

Its far more democratic than having members of the Shinawatra clan hand picked by one sad old fugitive in Arabia

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we hear so much crap from Suthep and the Dems saying that Thaksin is controlling everything, but is there any definate proof of this, if so please show it. Until then i will just have to believe that it is all lies and Dem/PRDC propaganda being used as their main weapon.

If you can't see it then there's no optician in the world that can help

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[Yunla]

Democracy actually divides.

I read both your two long posts, and enjoyed your analysis. If its ok I will just quote this line above for brevity.

I don't see democracy the system, as any problem, not here or anywhere else. Democracy is a vehicle, say a car, if it has faults that makes it break down then you need to re-tune it to improve the performance. But that still leaves the biggest problem, which is not pre-election (voting fraud etc.), or during election - but post election. Staying with the car metaphor, you can have a car that works fine but if people can't drive it responsibly then it will just crash. That is Thailand. They mismanage the system, but that is not the fault of the democratic system itself. Also I'm sure there are people in Thailand who could 'take the wheel' and do a great job as PM, so it isn't that Thailand can not have a successful functioning democracy, it is just that currently it still has a political culture painted thinly onto feudalism and more importantly idolatry / hero-worship. The Thaksin merchandise, for example, is not remotely political or relating to democracy - it is like obsessive fan-club behaviour. And this is the problem with Suthep too.

But I don't see why democracy can not succeed here, there are a lot of smart Thais who could take the lead, with new moderate parties. But it is clear that a sort of political cataclysm has to occur first, there has to be a crash with very little of the two current parties emerging in the aftermath. People have to get to the point where they won't allow any more of this non-politics that PTP and PDRC/Dem are standing on, these are both extremist parties. And the democratic ideal was founded on the moderate politics not the extremist politics, so we have to wait for a seachange or a dying-off of these extremists and the arrival of new moderate groups, which many Thais have been demanding for years.

[Alwyn]

So all of those Suthep fans who were so vociferous in claiming Suthep has no interest in putting himself in power, what do you have to say now after this speech? <Mr. Suthep has said he would install himself as a "Sovereign Body" and present his own list of Prime Minister and Cabinet members to His Majesty the King to seek his Royal Approval. The PCAD will establish unelected legislative bodies afterwards, he explained, and implement series of "reforms" in Thailand.>

That's democracy then is it? He's bonkers and the cause of a lot of needless violence and deaths.

Maybe a good idea you read the other threads.... It was a nonsense article, he never said it as such. All he did was say: We will drive Ms. flower out of office. Be ready for action when I blow my whistle. It might take as long as 15 days.

I do however agree that both sides need to be made redundant as they are not adding anything. That is the PDRC and the Red militia of the Sae Khu clan (the original Chinese name of the Shins, only changed in 1938). They are only causing a wider divide where there is still possibility for a solution. In order to do so certain laws need to be adjusted as well as the electoral laws, which now serve the Phue Thai regime (formerly the PPP formerly the TRT, both undone by electoral fraud). This would cause an interval in which a business government would be a good idea. Then elections when all is done and then maybe, just maybe the possibility to put all this behind us and even work together. This polarizing society, using the masses for their own benefit, both sides, has been going on long enough.

some fair points. Regarding whether Suthep said this or not, I'll wait and see what happens with the DSI investigation as everybody here is posting opinions, not facts. Because their opinion is he didn't say these things doesn't mean he didn't say these things - although when you read some of the posts here sometimes it would seem some people believe they are in among all the private meetings held between Suthep or YL and the military - for example!

[Alwyn]

So all of those Suthep fans who were so vociferous in claiming Suthep has no interest in putting himself in power, what do you have to say now after this speech? <Mr. Suthep has said he would install himself as a "Sovereign Body" and present his own list of Prime Minister and Cabinet members to His Majesty the King to seek his Royal Approval. The PCAD will establish unelected legislative bodies afterwards, he explained, and implement series of "reforms" in Thailand.>

That's democracy then is it? He's bonkers and the cause of a lot of needless violence and deaths.

Its far more democratic than having members of the Shinawatra clan hand picked by one sad old fugitive in Arabia

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we hear so much crap from Suthep and the Dems saying that Thaksin is controlling everything, but is there any definate proof of this, if so please show it. Until then i will just have to believe that it is all lies and Dem/PRDC propaganda being used as their main weapon.

If you can't see it then there's no optician in the world that can help

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methinks your optician kitted you out with yellow tinted glasses

[JAG]

So all of those Suthep fans who were so vociferous in claiming Suthep has no interest in putting himself in power, what do you have to say now after this speech? <Mr. Suthep has said he would install himself as a "Sovereign Body" and present his own list of Prime Minister and Cabinet members to His Majesty the King to seek his Royal Approval. The PCAD will establish unelected legislative bodies afterwards, he explained, and implement series of "reforms" in Thailand.>

That's democracy then is it? He's bonkers and the cause of a lot of needless violence and deaths.

Suthep Will Ask HM King To Appoint Himself As Coup Leader

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/716941-suthep-will-ask-hm-king-to-appoint-himself-as-coup-leader/

WOW, 10 bloody pages, so far, and only one, single, poster realized that this [Kaosad] headline DOES NOT REFER TO SUTHEP being appointed as coup leader, and still they go on...........

wow.

THE PDRC from the beginning advocates the role of the king.

And yet when a Royal Decree is issued, to call an election, they oppose it?

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Maybe if you read a little you would understand the reasons why

I read plenty my friend, I also understand why. They didn't expect to win so they put the boot into the democratic process.

The only "reform" on the cards is the one which will ensure that the majority vote will never win an election again.

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[djjamie]

My Thai friends have confirmed that Suthep did not say such things.

Instead of incriminating Suthep, the DSI should probe the incendiary speech of Robert Amsterdam at the UDD rally via Skype.

Robert Amsterdam insulted Royal Thai institutions like the Constitutional Court, the National Anti-Corruption Commission, the Judicial System…

If we compare the speech of Robert Amsterdam with the speech of Sathit Segal, Sathit did not showed disrespect or attacked any person or institution; Sathit basically said that for the goodness of Thailand there should be more transparency and less corruption. And yet they wanted to deport him.

Robert Amsterdam is Anti-Thai (or in other words, 100% Pro-Thaksinista)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQE-xFD-p08&feature=youtu.be

Love the speech. I wonder how much he gets paid?

I rebut your claim (with all due respect) that amsterdam is "anti Thai" or even "pro thaksin". He is a lawyer. Lawyers defend their clients. thaksin is his client. amsterdam puts on the good show and says :"we" and "us throughout his speech as if he is fighting for whats right as opposed to fighting for his client. It is a physiologic approach used to ensure that he is on thaksin's side. The side of good and pure truth. He will never state "my client" or "the accused". It detracts from his wonderful story telling of which is denouncing everyone, every entity and every rule of law that stacked against his client, "The accused". You will never see a defense lawyer state his client is a criminal and deserves everything he has coming to him. He demonizes the enemies of the PTP and I chuckled when he used his repetitive works that are a sign of a skilled propagandist that can incite a mob into a frantic belief of what ever rhetoric is spouted.

He may demonize Suthep and Ahbisit all he likes and the only regret that Suthep and Ahbsisit may have is that they didn't hire amsterdam first. As a lawyer he is doing his job and going by his other clients then thaksin is not far off ethically and criminally than the clientele he represents.

I despise thaksin, but pay me enough I will parrot amsterdam. Not because I am anti Thai or pro thaksin, but because I have a family to feed and the money will come in handy.

What I found amusing is when he ranted on about an appointed senate being undemocratic, but he comes from a country that has an appointed senate. It has served Canadians well for 140 years too. Of course when he is getting paid he will say what the money tells him to say.

Edited April 7, 2014 by djjamie

[rwdrwdrwd]

So all of those Suthep fans who were so vociferous in claiming Suthep has no interest in putting himself in power, what do you have to say now after this speech? <Mr. Suthep has said he would install himself as a "Sovereign Body" and present his own list of Prime Minister and Cabinet members to His Majesty the King to seek his Royal Approval. The PCAD will establish unelected legislative bodies afterwards, he explained, and implement series of "reforms" in Thailand.>

That's democracy then is it? He's bonkers and the cause of a lot of needless violence and deaths.

Its far more democratic than having members of the Shinawatra clan hand picked by one sad old fugitive in Arabia

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we hear so much crap from Suthep and the Dems saying that Thaksin is controlling everything, but is there any definate proof of this, if so please show it. Until then i will just have to believe that it is all lies and Dem/PRDC propaganda being used as their main weapon.

What do you consider proof? Obviously given what's now happening PTP aren't going to come out and say 'Thaksin is in control', however if you go back 12 months before the trouble started, numerous sources within the party pretty much did say this.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/30/world/asia/thaksin-shinawatra-of-thailand-wields-influence-from-afar.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

Not to mention the running slogan of PTP during the election that led to the installation of Yingluck - 'Thaksin Thinks, Pheu Thai Acts' - http://www.dw.de/thaksin-thinks-pheu-thai-acts/a-6561741

It was only with the addition of Thaksin to the now failed Amnesty Bill that members of PTP began denying that he was in control. Prior to this they were perfectly happy to mention Skype cabinet meetings and flying out of country for instruction from him, such behaviour is even reported by Khaosod of all sources - http://www.khaosod.co.th/en/view_newsonline.php?newsid=TVRNM016QXdNVEk1TkE9PQ==

Also known to schedule such meetings with UDD - http://www.bangkokpost.com/breakingnews/342300/tida-jatuporn-to-see-thaksin-in-hk

Edited April 7, 2014 by rwdrwdrwd

[FangFerang]

What took them so long he made is mad max speech on Saturday.

Did he actually say what khaosod reported though?

On another note, how is tarit's own dodgy land deal case going?

No, Khaosod out and out lied in their "reporting".

Wrong. Wife's mum supports pdrc and said khoasad was accurate, for once. She was there, and the quotes are accurate, and had lots of other innuendo that does not translate into english well. He stuck both feet in his mouth. Why is anyone surprised?

Amazing Thailand.

[sawadee1947]

DSI....? What is that? Is this the nice group which tried to arrest that famous monk with flat in Paris, a house in USA and some expensive cards? And then they let him escape??? Huh, Suthep will be very much afraid....Hahaha

[Tatsujin]

What took them so long he made is mad max speech on Saturday.

Did he actually say what khaosod reported though?

On another note, how is tarit's own dodgy land deal case going?

No, Khaosod out and out lied in their "reporting".

Wrong. Wife's mum supports pdrc and said khoasad was accurate, for once. She was there, and the quotes are accurate, and had lots of other innuendo that does not translate into english well. He stuck both feet in his mouth. Why is anyone surprised?

Amazing Thailand.

Amazing Thailand indeed. That's the opposite of what my friends at the rally reported back to me. Fiery speech yes but not to the extent Khaosod quoted him as saying.

[city]

My Thai friends have confirmed that Suthep did not say such things.

Instead of incriminating Suthep, the DSI should probe the incendiary speech of Robert Amsterdam at the UDD rally via Skype.

Robert Amsterdam insulted Royal Thai institutions like the Constitutional Court, the National Anti-Corruption Commission, the Judicial System…

If we compare the speech of Robert Amsterdam with the speech of Sathit Segal, Sathit did not showed disrespect or attacked any person or institution; Sathit basically said that for the goodness of Thailand there should be more transparency and less corruption. And yet they wanted to deport him.

Robert Amsterdam is Anti-Thai (or in other words, 100% Pro-Thaksinista)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQE-xFD-p08&feature=youtu.be

Top bloke that Bob. A lot of truth spoken there

[puanddavid]

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Alwyn, people like you, who have been backing Suthep no matter what stupid remarks come out of his mouth, had soon better realize that this guy really is crazy. Stop torturing yourself with trying to come up with ways to justify his madness. PCAD in itself is an oxymoron. If the King is head of state, then it can't be a bloody Democracy now can it? Give it a rest, and tell your Thai wife that you can't logically support her cause anymore. She'll be pissed, but hopefully she'll see the light.

[DonThaiToMe]

Tharits day of reckoning will come... Something between the two extremes of Thaksin government and pdrc needs to be done. Personally I think the army should have stepped in my now but then the head of the army seems to only be worried about retiring with an unblemished record?

Something between the two extremes is called an election. Let the people's voice be heard - it's about time, isn't it?

poo.. Are you for real? Is a election an election when it,is bought?

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Are you for real? When will you and every yellow fanboi on here get in to their thick skulls that vote-buying by the reds isn´t a valid argument?

Vote-buying is done on both sides, yes, and even yellow MPs have admitted that the democrats spend more money on vote-buying than PTP does/did.

And you guys keep on ranting about democracy is about more than voting.

Sure, it is, but voting is a major part of democracy, and as long as even democrats admits to spending more money on vote-buying than the opposition, your argument is horse manure!

Let the thai people decide who they want as leaders regardless how ´bad´ they are. That is still their choice.

If the PTP are so bad (maybe they are, I´m not defending nor am I speaking for them being outlawed), then surely the opposition will win the next election!?

Easy as that.

But I know the yellow sheeple on here will never admit that, and will keep on rooting for Dear Leader, Secretary General of the People, Herr Thaugsuban and his attempt to throw this country into being a tyrrany.

Edited April 7, 2014 by DonThaiToMe

[realenglish1]

I applaud the DSI for seeing Suthep as he really is

[brownbear]

sorry if I am repeating what someone else has posted but this OP only requires to letters in response: BS.

[BestBitterPhuket]

The Thaksin regime needs to go......but not before there are any credible candidates to take over. Suthep says and does so many stupid things, that he is certainly not qualified, and he has never apologized or come clean on his past wrong doings. He has a spine like a worm.

[Arkady]

Meanwhile, Mr Tharit from the DSI is being investigated by a group of senators for allegedly purchasing a resort in Khao Yai for more money than he could have saved from his salary as a policeman and a DSI man. All good stuff for the lawyers.

[Roadman]

So all of those Suthep fans who were so vociferous in claiming Suthep has no interest in putting himself in power, what do you have to say now after this speech? <Mr. Suthep has said he would install himself as a "Sovereign Body" and present his own list of Prime Minister and Cabinet members to His Majesty the King to seek his Royal Approval. The PCAD will establish unelected legislative bodies afterwards, he explained, and implement series of "reforms" in Thailand.>

That's democracy then is it? He's bonkers and the cause of a lot of needless violence and deaths.

Its far more democratic than having members of the Shinawatra clan hand picked by one sad old fugitive in Arabia

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How can you say that? Were they or were they not duly elected by the populace? Part of democracy is freedom to vote unhindered, right? Unlike your hero Suthep who wants the exact opposite of democracy and the freedom to vote unhindered (or otherwise)

Yes.... they were elected, and for the most part were left in peace by the people to run riot over every other principle of democracy and the rule of law with an attitude that mirrors your own.... 'We were elected so we can do what the f^^k we want and you can't stop us ..... ever!'

They raped the country by abusing populist policies that not only put them into power but also facilitated huge theft and corruption to the point that those policies collapsed and the voters are left in despair with HUGE debts and a rice industry that is over the next 2 years going to run at a loss for all 4.5 million rice farming families. Thrusting them into not only massive debt, but also vast swathes of poverty.

They then chose the final straw of the amnesty bill to bring back a convicted and disgraced dictator as a free man, and absolve 25,000 cases of fraud and corruption. and the nobbling of the senate so they could elect their family members as senators on a 'lifetime term' basis... Completely destroying the democratic check and balance over parliament.... effectively allowing them to change every single law to suit their cling to power.

So yes........ They WERE democratically elected and were given their chance for two and a half years totally unimpeded to prove they were worthy of running Thailand for the people of who's mandate they held.... They proved themselves an out and out disgrace to democracy and therefore have behaved in such a way as to justify their removal before any further damage is done.

If there were elections and this lot were allowed to run and were duly elected back to power to continue their rape and pillage of the nation, then it would be time to declare that democracy is actually the enemy of Thailand. Because the democracy can NEVER work when all the principles are abused and broken. Democracy ONLY works in a country where the principles are adhered to.

It is quite simply as basic as that.

Good post

[Baerboxer]

It's not often I agree with you but you are absolutely correct in what you say. My problem with it all is that the alternative (at this present moment at least) is just as bad if not worse than what's in place at the moment. Suthep himself is guilty of most of the above - particularly the nepotism part. If the government is overthrown with (if one can believe what's written) by Suthep being Royally appointed as "sovereign body" it's all a bit of a kick in the face for democracy. If the people are really sick of Thaksin's puppet government why does he obstruct elections instead of embracing them to show he's correct. Others have said that unless corruption is eradicated democracy cannot work. In a way they're half correct but democracy works in other countries where corruption is rife, Ital and even the UK are examples. I just feel that no particular party is less corrupt than any other.

How can you say that? Were they or were they not duly elected by the populace? Part of democracy is freedom to vote unhindered, right? Unlike your hero Suthep who wants the exact opposite of democracy and the freedom to vote unhindered (or otherwise)

Its far more democratic than having members of the Shinawatra clan hand picked by one sad old fugitive in Arabia

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Corruption exits - just like sh1t happens. We have to deal with it.

The problem here is that you have 2 factions fighting for control. To benefit themselves, no one else. The situation is made worse by having an inefficient and inconsistent judicial system, partisan law enforcement and independent agencies and a general apathy towards the possibility of changing the status quo.

The chances of Thailand ever changing is remote, unless there is a massive paradigm shift in Thai society,

In the meantime, those farang who come from countries where there is a modicum of justice and democracy, and countries from where millions gave their lives to preserve those ideals, will continue to get wound up and frustrated by the exploitation of the Thai people by fraudsters and charlatans. But I can't think of any other country which would tolerate such outrageous constant lying or allow a government to be run by a convicted fugitive. The opposition may well be from the same mold but at least they haven't fled yet.

[northernjohn]

Suthep Will Ask HM King To Appoint Himself As Coup Leader

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/716941-suthep-will-ask-hm-king-to-appoint-himself-as-coup-leader/

WOW, 10 bloody pages, so far, and only one, single, poster realized that this [Kaosad] headline DOES NOT REFER TO SUTHEP being appointed as coup leader, and still they go on...........

wow.

THE PDRC from the beginning advocates the role of the king.

And yet when a Royal Decree is issued, to call an election, they oppose it?

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Maybe if you read a little you would understand the reasons why

I read plenty my friend, I also understand why. They didn't expect to win so they put the boot into the democratic process.

The only "reform" on the cards is the one which will ensure that the majority vote will never win an election again.

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Thailand does not have a democracy. No discussion on it. It is in the constitution. We have a parliamentary government. The Prime Minister is not elected by the people that would be democracy.

Now that we have that out of the way why would any one in their right mind support corruption because it was done by some one who claims they are a member of a democracy. That they were democratically elected by the people. (We all know a lot of them bought the vote but that is not germane to the point at hand)

Crooks and westerners who don't know any better claim that if some one is elected it is democracy and what that person does is OK because he was democratically elected. A feeble dementia old blind man can see that what Thailand has is not good for Thailand. Change is needed.

When the garbage is thrown out the people can go back to electing their ministers.

But the garbage must be thrown out.

Suthep has done a great job against over whelming odds it is time for him to maintain the role he is in and let the system operate as it should. The Senate can pick a suitable interim P M and Suthep is not that man. But he should retain the forces he has in case the senate picks another corrupt individual. That is some thing I highly doubt the Senate would do in the atmosphere we have now here in Thailand. Suthep may as Yingluck may suggest to them who to pick. But he may not seize there power and name the interim P M.

Still bad as his speech was it was and is preferable to the red shirts wanting to split the nation and raise 600,000 men for their army.

As was said earlier some times you have to pick the lesser of two evils.

The truth is we don't know if Suthep would be evil he has never sat in the power chair. Always an attendant. We do know the PTP is evil. Unless you think taking food out of babies mouth is not evil. Which is what the PTP is doing to farmers and new car buyers. Also to the people they gave credit cards to so they could buy what they already were buying and now pay interest on it.

That was not a rant just a statement of facts and an opinion on Suthep.