Brisbane dad hired underage girl for son in Thailand

[DP25]

If there was actually an underage girl involved, the penalty the court handed down is monstrous. A father buying an under 16 year old sex slave for his daughter, Australia should be ashamed for only giving him a $2000 fine and a suspended sentence. He should be facing 20 years, if what he is accused of is true. Of course there was almost certainly no underage girl involved, just a bog standard Samui bar girl (virtually all legal age) and the sentencing is in line with that.

[GuestHouse]

Oh my god you have all gone mad

There was no under age girl in this, she is a figment of all your wild minds ( except a few who still have working brains )

in posting 93 a correction was made on this web site from the report on Sky News Australia that threw this OP Posting out the window

In post 93 you yourself made the claim to have heard from Brisbane, I have asked you to provide the source for the claim you made at #93 in order that we can read for ourselves.

You have failed to provide any verifiable source - you expect us to take your word for your own claim as a fact.

Provide the verifiable source, a report from the court proceedings or news report please - A phone call or email from a mate back home does not cut-it.

So, again, in response to the claim you made at #93.

Please provide the source so that we can read for ourselves.

Here:

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/is-this-father-who-pleaded-guilty-to-procuring-a-child-to-engage-in-sex-overseas-the-grubbiest-dad-in-australia/story-fnihsrf2-1226884249331

Not a single mention of girl's age. Just a "prostitute".

From the link you posted

Judge Michael Shanahan said the law under which the father was charged was introduced in 2010 to stop the “evil” exploitation of foreign children.

A clear statement from the judge that the charge related to the exploitation of a foreign CHILD,

[GuestHouse]

PLEASE LISTEN

there was no underage girl involved, even if you want one

this has been stated over and over again

I want to believe - don't just tell us - show us. Black and white - something you did not write yourself, court report or press report.

[chooka]

If there was actually an underage girl involved, the penalty the court handed down is monstrous. A father buying an under 16 year old sex slave for his daughter, Australia should be ashamed for only giving him a $2000 fine and a suspended sentence. He should be facing 20 years, if what he is accused of is true. Of course there was almost certainly no underage girl involved, just a bog standard Samui bar girl (virtually all legal age) and the sentencing is in line with that.

The man, who cannot be named to protect his son’s identity, is believed to be the first person charged under recently introduced child sex tourism laws aimed at stopping Australian pedophiles from preying on foreign children.

In a case described by the judge as “bizarre”, the father pleaded guilty to procuring a child to engage in sex outside Australia.

Is this father who pleaded guilty to procuring a child to engage in sex overseas the grubbiest dad in Australia?

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/is-this-father-who-pleaded-guilty-to-procuring-a-child-to-engage-in-sex-overseas-the-grubbiest-dad-in-australia/story-fnihsrf2-1226884249331

[Showbags]

How old was she exactly chook ?

If they can quote the boys age, surely they can quote the girls also...

[DrTuner]

The thing that made the case "bizarre" was probably the fact that the underage child was the Australian 13y old. Not the original idea behind the law. I reckon the prosecutor really wanted his "test case" and found out this one from the divorce proceedings.

[DP25]

If there was actually an underage girl involved, the penalty the court handed down is monstrous. A father buying an under 16 year old sex slave for his daughter, Australia should be ashamed for only giving him a $2000 fine and a suspended sentence. He should be facing 20 years, if what he is accused of is true. Of course there was almost certainly no underage girl involved, just a bog standard Samui bar girl (virtually all legal age) and the sentencing is in line with that.

The man, who cannot be named to protect his sons identity, is believed to be the first person charged under recently introduced child sex tourism laws aimed at stopping Australian pedophiles from preying on foreign children.

In a case described by the judge as bizarre, the father pleaded guilty to procuring a child to engage in sex outside Australia.

Is this father who pleaded guilty to procuring a child to engage in sex overseas the grubbiest dad in Australia?

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/is-this-father-who-pleaded-guilty-to-procuring-a-child-to-engage-in-sex-overseas-the-grubbiest-dad-in-australia/story-fnihsrf2-1226884249331

What exactly is the point of you requoting the article? It is clear that many people realize there is no way in hell they have any idea how old the prostitute was (they must know her name if they know her age, have they contacted any Thai authorities to rescue her?) , and it fails to address the point anyway.

If the accusation is true, Australia's punishment is shameful. They gave a man who orchestrated the rape of a child sex slave a small fine, a slap on the wrist.

Of course if they had no idea how old she was, and pressured him into confessing so they could finally get a conviction for their new law, it makes a lot more sense.

[Eloelo]

If there was actually an underage girl involved, the penalty the court handed down is monstrous. A father buying an under 16 year old sex slave for his daughter, Australia should be ashamed for only giving him a $2000 fine and a suspended sentence. He should be facing 20 years, if what he is accused of is true. Of course there was almost certainly no underage girl involved, just a bog standard Samui bar girl (virtually all legal age) and the sentencing is in line with that.

The man, who cannot be named to protect his sons identity, is believed to be the first person charged under recently introduced child sex tourism laws aimed at stopping Australian pedophiles from preying on foreign children.

In a case described by the judge as bizarre, the father pleaded guilty to procuring a child to engage in sex outside Australia.

Is this father who pleaded guilty to procuring a child to engage in sex overseas the grubbiest dad in Australia?

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/is-this-father-who-pleaded-guilty-to-procuring-a-child-to-engage-in-sex-overseas-the-grubbiest-dad-in-australia/story-fnihsrf2-1226884249331

What exactly is the point of you requoting the article? It is clear that many people realize there is no way in hell they have any idea how old the prostitute was (they must know her name if they know her age, have they contacted any Thai authorities to rescue her?) , and it fails to address the point anyway.

If the accusation is true, Australia's punishment is shameful. They gave a man who orchestrated the rape of a child sex slave a small fine, a slap on the wrist.

Of course if they had no idea how old she was, and pressured him into confessing so they could finally get a conviction for their new law, it makes a lot more sense.

Orchestrating the rape of a child sex slave! you must work for a newspaper!

[EyesWideOpen]

What an odd story. The dad is definitely out of the running for dad of the year. 13 is way too young, I can see a dad perhaps doing what he did if his son was perhaps 16 or 17.. So if the bar girl was say 21, would she be charged under laws governing an older person having sex with an obvious minor ?? Thus making her a pedophile? Maybe that why everyone is quiet about her age....

In Australia or America, I am pretty sure if say a 15 year old girl has sex with a 15 year old boy, no laws have really been broken. If the girl was underage, then had sex with an underage boy, definitely moving into a strange area of the murky Thai laws regarding paid for sex in Thailand. A multi billion baht business that is illegal...

Edited April 15, 2014 by EyesWideOpen

[DrTuner]

BTW .. if the prostitute had been underage, would it not be the 13y old kid who'd take the rap ? Right now it looks like the dad got the sentence for pimping out his underage son to a Thai ho.

[SheungWan]

So according to the logic of some of the contributors above, if the father had brought his 13 year-old daughter to be deflowered by an overage Thai male that would be OK.

[DrTuner]

So according to the logic of some of the contributors above, if the father had brought his 13 year-old daughter to be deflowered by an overage Thai male that would be OK.

Boys will be boys. Equality is a nice pipe dream, innit ?

[connda]

He should have introduced his son to his choice of Thirty-something year old bar girls -- experienced and still look fine. Hand the kid a few thousand baht and tell the bar girl to make sure he comes back and 'man'.

With so many available females, why pick one who is under-aged. That's stupidity.

[Seastallion]

There is no way they have any idea of how old the prostitute was, this guy is being railroaded. It is unlikely that any random hooker he picked up in Samui was underage, and neither he nor the Australian court would have any way of knowing anyway unless there was a complaint on the Thai side of things.

Nice to see some TVF can still use their brain

This is my argument

Do not judge until you know all the facts

It is true that we don't know the whole story, however the convicted man admitted to procuring a child for sex. It is probable that he told the whole story to the police. The court would not have convicted him simply on the allegation of his wife.

It is easy to speculate that he didn't want a worn-out old whore for his son and thus deliberately sought a young girl.

We are not judging him, the Australian justice system has done that for us.

[Sayonarax]

Big deal. Apparently in Australia you can convict people of crimes not even committed inside the country.

Australia really is turning in a to a cesspool of government corruption and over reaching.

[Seastallion]

Big deal. Apparently in Australia you can convict people of crimes not even committed inside the country.

Australia really is turning in a to a cesspool of government corruption and over reaching.

1. Australia is not the only country to introduce anti-sexploitation laws.

2. All countries with these laws are being pro-active in fighting paedophilia.

3. Once upon a time, kiddy fiddlers would go to Sri Lanka, Thailand, Cambodia et al, do their heinous perversions, and return to their home country with impunity. Not so now, and this is a good thing.

4. You seem to regret that the global community is making it harder for those perverts?

[Richard W]

From the link you posted

Judge Michael Shanahan said the law under which the father was charged was introduced in 2010 to stop the evil exploitation of foreign children.

A clear statement from the judge that the charge related to the exploitation of a foreign CHILD,

No, it can equally well mean that the judge thought that the law was not being used as parliament intended. Is it possible that the judge didn't simply throw the case out because he thought that 13 was too young to be sleeping with prostitutes?

[JRSoul]

He was charged under Australian child sex tourism laws.

The father later pleaded guilty to procuring a child to engage in sex outside Australia.

This will mean that the Child prostitute he paid to entertain his son was under 16 years of age. The age of consent in Australia is 16.

It takes 2 to tango, and there is only evidence that ONE party was underage. You are letting your police-based usage of the term "procuring" distort your understanding of what is written.

How would the Australian authorities have any proof of the age of an unknown Thai prostitute?

Edited April 15, 2014 by JRSoul

[JRSoul]

Big deal. Apparently in Australia you can convict people of crimes not even committed inside the country.

Australia really is turning in a to a cesspool of government corruption and over reaching.

There is a well known case where the FBI set up a sting web-site offering child prostitution services in Mexico and arrested an Australian while in transit at LA airport.

Give that a compare and contrast.

[tezzainoz]

Oh my god you have all gone mad

There was no under age girl in this, she is a figment of all your wild minds ( except a few who still have working brains )

in posting 93 a correction was made on this web site from the report on Sky News Australia that threw this OP Posting out the window

In post 93 you yourself made the claim to have heard from Brisbane, I have asked you to provide the source for the claim you made at #93 in order that we can read for ourselves.

You have failed to provide any verifiable source - you expect us to take your word for your own claim as a fact.

Provide the verifiable source, a report from the court proceedings or news report please - A phone call or email from a mate back home does not cut-it.

So, again, in response to the claim you made at #93.

Please provide the source so that we can read for ourselves.

Here:

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/is-this-father-who-pleaded-guilty-to-procuring-a-child-to-engage-in-sex-overseas-the-grubbiest-dad-in-australia/story-fnihsrf2-1226884249331

Not a single mention of girl's age. Just a "prostitute".

From the link you posted

Judge Michael Shanahan said the law under which the father was charged was introduced in 2010 to stop the “evil” exploitation of foreign children.

A clear statement from the judge that the charge related to the exploitation of a foreign CHILD,

You do not understand Australia law, there also was no judge, it was a magistrate that sentence him

If you still had the brains that you where born with

You would know understand why the judge said the case was bizzare

If you think this is the first time in history a father has arranged for a prostitute to teach his son about sex, you are just a bizzare

It was bizzare as magistrate felt there was a breach of the act, but in reverse

and the sentence was made in line with the breach of the act

If there had be an underage girl involved he sentence is a min of 5-20 years

Edited April 15, 2014 by tezzainoz

[tezzainoz]

PLEASE LISTEN

there was no underage girl involved, even if you want one

this has been stated over and over again

I want to believe - don't just tell us - show us. Black and white - something you did not write yourself, court report or press report.

If your brain is not capable of working this out from the facts provided.

please learn to read

and you will see in an earlier post of mine where the information was obtained

[tezzainoz]

There is no way they have any idea of how old the prostitute was, this guy is being railroaded. It is unlikely that any random hooker he picked up in Samui was underage, and neither he nor the Australian court would have any way of knowing anyway unless there was a complaint on the Thai side of things.

Nice to see some TVF can still use their brain

This is my argument

Do not judge until you know all the facts

It is true that we don't know the whole story, however the convicted man admitted to procuring a child for sex. It is probable that he told the whole story to the police. The court would not have convicted him simply on the allegation of his wife.

It is easy to speculate that he didn't want a worn-out old whore for his son and thus deliberately sought a young girl.

We are not judging him, the Australian justice system has done that for us.

The convicted man admitted to procuring a child for sex.

You like to rewrite the truth to suit your own feelings, he procured a sex worker, no where in the charges was it stated it was a child, that was the act he was charged under, it was his son who was underage

so your saying the Australian law lets people off when they have sex with young girls

AGAIN .....Open your eyes the reason he got a good behaviour Bond as there was no a young girl involved

now go and prove that Joe is a car as he was born in a garage

Edited April 15, 2014 by tezzainoz

[Publicus]

If there was actually an underage girl involved, the penalty the court handed down is monstrous. A father buying an under 16 year old sex slave for his daughter, Australia should be ashamed for only giving him a $2000 fine and a suspended sentence. He should be facing 20 years, if what he is accused of is true. Of course there was almost certainly no underage girl involved, just a bog standard Samui bar girl (virtually all legal age) and the sentencing is in line with that.

You demand 20 years for the father but Australia has been tougher in its sentencing than has the UK in a case that is similar to and even like the Oz case. (You also say in your post the guy bought "an under 16 year old sex slave for his daughter," when in fact it was for his son.)

This dad, who cannot be identified for legal reasons, is the first to be charged under new child sex laws, for taking his son to Thailand and letting him have sex with a prostitute. Source: News Limited

Hey, a UK immigrant father of 8 years who tried to rent a prostitute for his 14 year old son got 10 months suspended for a year and five years on the sex offender register. The Oz dad got two years suspended sentence, $2000 fine/punishment and five years probation registering as a sex offender, which is a clearly tougher sentencing..

The UK father drove his 14 year old son to a red light district and picked out a hooker that turned to be an undercover cop. The UK judge said the widower father's character was otherwise upstanding so dad had only to learn not to try to introduce his son to sex via prostitution.

The Oz judge was of course enforcing a new law addressing international issues centered on trafficking in sex, prostitution, and child sex, whereas the UK case was entirely domestic with a recent immigrant angle (Poland).

You might like the US model where last year a good ol' pawh in North Carolina got 10 years for renting a hooker for his 14 year old son. The father stayed to watch the gal engage the son in oral sex and vaginal intercourse.

Commonwealth prosecutor Laura-Leigh Manville said the father got drunk at the Buck’s Party and told his son he did not want him returning to Australia “without losing his virginity”. Source: News Corp Australia

.

[Publicus]

PLEASE LISTEN

there was no underage girl involved, even if you want one

this has been stated over and over again

I want to believe - don't just tell us - show us. Black and white - something you did not write yourself, court report or press report.

I've been looking at several press reports in Oz and in other English language countries and the Thai female is not mentioned - she's completely omitted from the reports, the discussion. The reports I've found say only that the dad took his son to a prostitute while the family wuz on a family vacation trip to Thailand.

Even in Oz the MSM focus on the father and the son, the new law and its purposes, mentioning the divorce in passing while saying nothing about the female or of/from the Thai authorities and any actions they may (or may not) have taken. (May not.)

One Oz newspaper said the father told his wife about it during custody disputes rather than the wife finding out for herself. "He got f***ed in Thailand," the Herald-Sun reported the guy shouted to his wife. The paper however also reported the father and son had an "altercation" during the divorce disputes..

.http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/national/australian-man-hired-thai-prostitute-for-teenage-son/story-fni0xqrb-1226884556862

[Seastallion]

There is no way they have any idea of how old the prostitute was, this guy is being railroaded. It is unlikely that any random hooker he picked up in Samui was underage, and neither he nor the Australian court would have any way of knowing anyway unless there was a complaint on the Thai side of things.

Nice to see some TVF can still use their brain

This is my argument

Do not judge until you know all the facts

It is true that we don't know the whole story, however the convicted man admitted to procuring a child for sex. It is probable that he told the whole story to the police. The court would not have convicted him simply on the allegation of his wife.

It is easy to speculate that he didn't want a worn-out old whore for his son and thus deliberately sought a young girl.

We are not judging him, the Australian justice system has done that for us.

The convicted man admitted to procuring a child for sex.

You like to rewrite the truth to suit your own feelings, he procured a sex worker, no where in the charges was it stated it was a child, that was the act he was charged under, it was his son who was underage

so your saying the Australian law lets people off when they have sex with young girls

AGAIN .....Open your eyes the reason he got a good behaviour Bond as there was no a young girl involved

now go and prove that Joe is a car as he was born in a garage

You are quite fond of casting aspersions about people's brain power when your brain seems to be the one struggling to cope with some fairly easy concepts.

"A Brisbane father has been convicted of hiring an underage prostitute for his 13-year-old son"

What part of "underage prostitute" do you not understand?

"The father later pleaded guilty to procuring a child to engage in sex outside Australia."

What part of "pleaded guilty" and "procuring a child" do you not understand?

procure

prəˈkjʊə/

verb

1. 1.

   obtain (something), especially with care or effort.

   "food procured for the rebels"

   synonyms: obtain, acquire, get, find, come by, secure, pick up, get possession of;More

[HooHaa]

What is not at all clears, is how anyone in Austrailia knows the age of the girl in question?

Sure it's dodgy to take you kid to a hooker to get laid for the first time, and I can see the

mother getting bent out of shape about it. But there is nothing that says there was a legal

issue on Samui. Not that I ever heard about.

So this seems a he said she said, mother against father, and they just arbitrarily believed

the mothers accusation. That there are Thai girls of legal age, that look very underage

by western standards is a give for anyone with time here.

Not agreeing the dad should have done this, but how did they actually determine

this was a under age sex crime unless they used the boys age as the line of illegality?

Some thing just seems off with the whole thing.

Sent from my iPad using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app

I was wondering this myself. While I am certainly against the exploitation of children how did it come about that the girls age was known in aus.and did the man knowingly procure an underage girl for his underage son.

[tezzainoz]

You are quite fond of casting aspersions about people's brain power when your brain seems to be the one struggling to cope with some fairly easy concepts.

The convicted man admitted to procuring a child for sex.

You like to rewrite the truth to suit your own feelings, he procured a sex worker, no where in the charges was it stated it was a child, that was the act he was charged under, it was his son who was underage

so your saying the Australian law lets people off when they have sex with young girls

AGAIN .....Open your eyes the reason he got a good behaviour Bond as there was no a young girl involved

now go and prove that Joe is a car as he was born in a garage

"A Brisbane father has been convicted of hiring an underage prostitute for his 13-year-old son"

What part of "underage prostitute" do you not understand?

"The father later pleaded guilty to procuring a child to engage in sex outside Australia."

What part of "pleaded guilty" and "procuring a child" do you not understand?

procure

prəˈkjʊə/

verb

1. 1.

   obtain (something), especially with care or effort.

   "food procured for the rebels"

   synonyms: obtain, acquire, get, find, come by, secure, pick up, get possession of;More

If you go through life believing every thing that you read in the newspapers you will have a very sad life my friend

My posting is based on fact not on highlighting false editorial

The fact is and has been stated over and over again he was sentanced for abetting sex for his underage son, the reason the magistrate said it was a bizzare case

The was not, is not and never was an underage girl

if there was he would be doing 5-20

but you can dream on and try to convince every one that courts in Australia are unfair and have no idea what they are doing

[Seastallion]

What is not at all clears, is how anyone in Austrailia knows the age of the girl in question?

Sure it's dodgy to take you kid to a hooker to get laid for the first time, and I can see the

mother getting bent out of shape about it. But there is nothing that says there was a legal

issue on Samui. Not that I ever heard about.

So this seems a he said she said, mother against father, and they just arbitrarily believed

the mothers accusation. That there are Thai girls of legal age, that look very underage

by western standards is a give for anyone with time here.

Not agreeing the dad should have done this, but how did they actually determine

this was a under age sex crime unless they used the boys age as the line of illegality?

Some thing just seems off with the whole thing.

Sent from my iPad using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app

I was wondering this myself. While I am certainly against the exploitation of children how did it come about that the girls age was known in aus.and did the man knowingly procure an underage girl for his underage son.

We are not told but since the father pleaded guilty, we have to assume he confessed. I know it's speculation, but it's quite reasonable to imagine he didn't want a dirty old whore, he didn't want his son to be with someone much older, and deliberately sought a young girl. He may even have paid for a "virgin". It does happen you know.

It is easy to imagine he confessed to the hookers age when the wife went ballistic at him for exposing the son to the risk of AIDS. "No Dear, I made sure she was a virgin...she was only 15"

The thing we do know is he pleaded guilty.

[Seastallion]

You are quite fond of casting aspersions about people's brain power when your brain seems to be the one struggling to cope with some fairly easy concepts.

The convicted man admitted to procuring a child for sex.

You like to rewrite the truth to suit your own feelings, he procured a sex worker, no where in the charges was it stated it was a child, that was the act he was charged under, it was his son who was underage

so your saying the Australian law lets people off when they have sex with young girls

AGAIN .....Open your eyes the reason he got a good behaviour Bond as there was no a young girl involved

now go and prove that Joe is a car as he was born in a garage

"A Brisbane father has been convicted of hiring an underage prostitute for his 13-year-old son"

What part of "underage prostitute" do you not understand?

"The father later pleaded guilty to procuring a child to engage in sex outside Australia."

What part of "pleaded guilty" and "procuring a child" do you not understand?

procure

prəˈkjʊə/

verb

1. 1.

   obtain (something), especially with care or effort.

   "food procured for the rebels"

   synonyms: obtain, acquire, get, find, come by, secure, pick up, get possession of;More

If you go through life believing every thing that you read in the newspapers you will have a very sad life my friend

My posting is based on fact not on highlighting false editorial

The fact is and has been stated over and over again he was sentanced for abetting sex for his underage son, the reason the magistrate said it was a bizzare case

The was not, is not and never was an underage girl

if there was he would be doing 5-20

but you can dream on and try to convince every one that courts in Australia are unfair and have no idea what they are doing

There was no empirical proof of the girl's age, just (we must suppose) the father's confession. That's why a heavier sentence was not passed down I suppose)

So, if I should not pay heed to everything in a newspaper, where do you get your information from?

[Shurup]

Don't know and don't care - there was no underage girl there so your question is irrelevant.

See the link in post #193

Not irrelevant as a few people keep referring to it as the main priority of the story....an ex copper for one.....so entirely relevant.

Was the said ex-cooper investigating the case himself? No? Then it doesn't mater what cooper said.

Read the darn article from a link in post 193! No underage girls involved so the prostitute's age is irrelevant!

Thought you were one of the defenders of the "underage girl" nonsense, just like ex-coop chooka, reread some of the pages and see I was wrong.

My apologies.