Any tips on losing a beer gut ?

[Dannyboy6]

I think also muscle training increases the testosterone.

What I always worry is if you add testosterone the body produces less itself and you get more and more depending on the replacement.

If the therapy is administered by a qualified specialist then one would probably not suffer from dependence and the therapy might only be needed short term until the fat is lost.

I have done replacement therapy off and on for about 14 years. My doctor is very good and ethical; he will not give any patient more than the physiological dose that one's body would normally produce so no one is going to become a bodybuilder with him.

Weight training, in moderation, does increase testosterone production but if done beyond moderation testosterone availability will decrease. There's a reason "musclemen" have a reputation for be under performers in bed.

Well overdoing weight training leads to overtraining which has exactly the opposite effects of what we want.....

That under performer in bed is a complete different story.....On steroids they a horny like a tree full of monkeys and surely perform perfect. But when they are off steroids they are lack of one testosterone and way too much estrogen and sexual active as a dead fish....

Beside that in their testosterone time their nuts are shrinking....

Even natural athletes and bodybuilders will have low serum testosterone levels during their training months. This is because the testosterone they have is being used up to recuperate from the training and the more muscle one has the more testosterone is used to maintain the muscle.

There a reason soldiers in basic training don't wake up with erections: their bodies are adjusting to the new physical demands required of them and their testosterone is going to their muscles and not to the other body part.

Take the middle way in everything. Not enough exercise and the body produces less testosterone. Do too much exercise and the body uses the testosterone to repair and other things like sex will have to wait.

That testosterone is used up is a new theory to me......In my time at military they put us something in the drinks to prevent erections....When they later let us out on weekend it needed approx. 1 day till you could have sex again.

. Wasn't it called SaltPeter... I thought it was added to food.

[healthbkkbkk]

Quote: Wasn't it called SaltPeter... I thought it was added to food.

Saltpeter is Potassium Nitrate and some people refer to Potassium Chloride as Saltperter as well.

Potassium Nitrate has diuretic properties but does not cause impotence because if it did the world's population would be in a negative growth state. it is used in many foods as a preservative.

It has been added to food for hundreds, if not thousands, of years.

[h90]

That testosterone is used up is a new theory to me......In my time at military they put us something in the drinks to prevent erections....When they later let us out on weekend it needed approx. 1 day till you could have sex again.

Other than certain psychotropics and androgen blockers there is nothing that can be put in drinks to stop erections. That is a myth created when so many soldiers in basic training noticed they no longer had morning erections. They don't have the erections because the body has priorities and sex is below survival and physical repair.

It's a simple question of Maths: testosterone is limited and it goes there where it is most needed. We need to repair our bodies but we do not need to have sex to survive.

You can find all this information on the internet but I am very surprised you believe the myth about putting something in the drinks to stop erections. Anything that would really stop erections would also stop a lot of other functions and would render the man incapable of military training.

It isn't a myth and I was for a long time there in the hospital, so surely not too much basic training. It was in the drink. In the times of my father at the army it was openly told and it was in the chocolate "Brom-Schokolade" was the term they used. He gave it his mother (who was beside female a widow). And in this time it was more than enough tested....by mixing it someone unknowingly into the chocolate cake, etc etc.

It definitely happened and has no other side effects than being exactly the opposite of Viagra. It doesn't stop the desire only you aren't able anymore.

[h90]

I think also muscle training increases the testosterone.

What I always worry is if you add testosterone the body produces less itself and you get more and more depending on the replacement.

If the therapy is administered by a qualified specialist then one would probably not suffer from dependence and the therapy might only be needed short term until the fat is lost.

I have done replacement therapy off and on for about 14 years. My doctor is very good and ethical; he will not give any patient more than the physiological dose that one's body would normally produce so no one is going to become a bodybuilder with him.

Weight training, in moderation, does increase testosterone production but if done beyond moderation testosterone availability will decrease. There's a reason "musclemen" have a reputation for be under performers in bed.

Well overdoing weight training leads to overtraining which has exactly the opposite effects of what we want.....

That under performer in bed is a complete different story.....On steroids they a horny like a tree full of monkeys and surely perform perfect. But when they are off steroids they are lack of one testosterone and way too much estrogen and sexual active as a dead fish....

Beside that in their testosterone time their nuts are shrinking....

Even natural athletes and bodybuilders will have low serum testosterone levels during their training months. This is because the testosterone they have is being used up to recuperate from the training and the more muscle one has the more testosterone is used to maintain the muscle.

There a reason soldiers in basic training don't wake up with erections: their bodies are adjusting to the new physical demands required of them and their testosterone is going to their muscles and not to the other body part.

Take the middle way in everything. Not enough exercise and the body produces less testosterone. Do too much exercise and the body uses the testosterone to repair and other things like sex will have to wait.

That testosterone is used up is a new theory to me......In my time at military they put us something in the drinks to prevent erections....When they later let us out on weekend it needed approx. 1 day till you could have sex again.

. Wasn't it called SaltPeter... I thought it was added to food.

In my case in the drinks....before in the chocolate.

[healthbkkbkk]

That testosterone is used up is a new theory to me......In my time at military they put us something in the drinks to prevent erections....When they later let us out on weekend it needed approx. 1 day till you could have sex again.

Other than certain psychotropics and androgen blockers there is nothing that can be put in drinks to stop erections. That is a myth created when so many soldiers in basic training noticed they no longer had morning erections. They don't have the erections because the body has priorities and sex is below survival and physical repair.

It's a simple question of Maths: testosterone is limited and it goes there where it is most needed. We need to repair our bodies but we do not need to have sex to survive.

You can find all this information on the internet but I am very surprised you believe the myth about putting something in the drinks to stop erections. Anything that would really stop erections would also stop a lot of other functions and would render the man incapable of military training.

It isn't a myth and I was for a long time there in the hospital, so surely not too much basic training. It was in the drink. In the times of my father at the army it was openly told and it was in the chocolate "Brom-Schokolade" was the term they used. He gave it his mother (who was beside female a widow). And in this time it was more than enough tested....by mixing it someone unknowingly into the chocolate cake, etc etc.

It definitely happened and has no other side effects than being exactly the opposite of Viagra. It doesn't stop the desire only you aren't able anymore.

Believe whatever you like but it isn't true. You are referring to bromide which is a sedative. It is impossible to give this to anyone without the person becoming sedated and incapable of performing military duties. Furthermore, prolonged use causes toxicity or poisoning. It is a myth.

Why don't you just look it up on the internet?

Edited May 3, 2014 by healthbkkbkk

[JSixpack]

Sigh. Anything to try to substitute some pill, magic supplement, or injection for the simple effort of actual dieting or of staying fit.

[healthbkkbkk]

Sigh. Anything to try to substitute some pill, magic supplement, or injection for the simple effort of actual dieting or of staying fit.

What you say is true in a perfect world. For some there are verifiable medical reasons to administer medication. No ethical medical doctor would prescribe Testosterone if it wasn't necessary. My advice was to have a lab test performed to determine if testosterone levels were pathologically low. If they are that low then replacement therapy is the most reasonable course of action. Once the patient's health has recovered it is often possible for his body to recommence a normal production of Testosterone and medical intervention is no longer required.

We left the Middle Ages long ago and there is no reason for anyone to suffer from a condition that medical science can alleviate.

[billybatson]

Can we stick to the topic please guys.

After 5 days on this very low carb diet, I've lost 3 pounds. I'm still feeling hungry most of the time. Hoping that will get better.

[healthbkkbkk]

Can we stick to the topic please guys.

After 5 days on this very low carb diet, I've lost 3 pounds. I'm still feeling hungry most of the time. Hoping that will get better.

Have you done low carb before? If not why did you choose that method?

Thanks

[h90]

Can we stick to the topic please guys.

After 5 days on this very low carb diet, I've lost 3 pounds. I'm still feeling hungry most of the time. Hoping that will get better.

eat more.....

1-2 pounds (that is 0.5-1 kg, right??) per week are a good number. Attention there can be a lot fluctuation in the measurements, you might be 1 day 1 pound heavier and the next day 2 pounds lighter......Don't let that make you crazy.

[h90]

Can we stick to the topic please guys.

After 5 days on this very low carb diet, I've lost 3 pounds. I'm still feeling hungry most of the time. Hoping that will get better.

Have you done low carb before? If not why did you choose that method?

Thanks

I guess because the forum here is full with people who had good success and recommended it.....

[JSixpack]

Consider avoiding saturated fats and replace with healthier fats. Definitely eliminate ALL transfats (but its hidden in commercial foods so not easy).

Some research links SATURATED fat more to fat stomachs. More modern obesity scientists understand calories from different sources are NOT the same in how the body deals with them.

If you've got a fat stomach, sorry, you do have a weight related issue with potential health implications regardless of the scale number/BMI number.

http://www.diabetesselfmanagement.com/Blog/Diane-Fennell/saturated-fat-linked-to-accumulation-of-dangerous-belly-fat/

Saturated Fat Linked to Accumulation of Dangerous Belly Fat

Diane Fennell

Eating saturated fat leads to the accumulation of more visceral fat and less muscle mass than eating polyunsaturated fat, according to new research published in the journal Diabetes. Visceral fat, a dangerous type of abdominal fat that wraps itself around the internal organs, has been linked to metabolic disturbances such as Type 2 diabetes.

To determine the effects of dietary fat composition on fat storage in the body, researchers at Uppsala University in Sweden looked at 39 young adults who were randomly assigned to eat 750 extra calories per day from high-fat muffins

Muffins?

Specifically relevant for our Thailand residents:

Diets enriched with saturated fatty acids protect against alcohol-induced liver injury, whereas diets containing polyunsaturated fatty acids promote liver injury (Nanji and French, 1989; Nanji et al., 1989, 1994a). Saturated fatty acids have also been reported to reverse established alcoholic liver injury (Nanji et al., 1995, 1996,1997b).

Now, the fats that promote liver injury are vegetable oils, typically in these tests corn oil and soy oil*. Thanks to the campaign against saturated fats, these are the kind of oils that the fast food eaten by drunken New Zealanders is prepared with today. This seems to be a failure in public health planning.

--http://hopefulgeranium.blogspot.com/2014/04/saturated-fat-is-good-for-you-but-how.html

[Dannyboy6]

How about Coconut Oil, look on Internet you will lose weight... I mentioned walking earlier, but was panned, but anything to boost your Metabolism is good idea.

[h90]

Consider avoiding saturated fats and replace with healthier fats. Definitely eliminate ALL transfats (but its hidden in commercial foods so not easy).

Some research links SATURATED fat more to fat stomachs. More modern obesity scientists understand calories from different sources are NOT the same in how the body deals with them.

If you've got a fat stomach, sorry, you do have a weight related issue with potential health implications regardless of the scale number/BMI number.

http://www.diabetesselfmanagement.com/Blog/Diane-Fennell/saturated-fat-linked-to-accumulation-of-dangerous-belly-fat/

Saturated Fat Linked to Accumulation of Dangerous Belly Fat

Diane Fennell

Eating saturated fat leads to the accumulation of more visceral fat and less muscle mass than eating polyunsaturated fat, according to new research published in the journal Diabetes. Visceral fat, a dangerous type of abdominal fat that wraps itself around the internal organs, has been linked to metabolic disturbances such as Type 2 diabetes.

To determine the effects of dietary fat composition on fat storage in the body, researchers at Uppsala University in Sweden looked at 39 young adults who were randomly assigned to eat 750 extra calories per day from high-fat muffins

Muffins?

Specifically relevant for our Thailand residents:

Diets enriched with saturated fatty acids protect against alcohol-induced liver injury, whereas diets containing polyunsaturated fatty acids promote liver injury (Nanji and French, 1989; Nanji et al., 1989, 1994a). Saturated fatty acids have also been reported to reverse established alcoholic liver injury (Nanji et al., 1995, 1996,1997b).

Now, the fats that promote liver injury are vegetable oils, typically in these tests corn oil and soy oil*. Thanks to the campaign against saturated fats, these are the kind of oils that the fast food eaten by drunken New Zealanders is prepared with today. This seems to be a failure in public health planning.

--http://hopefulgeranium.blogspot.com/2014/04/saturated-fat-is-good-for-you-but-how.html

So the natural instinct is right...when you drink, eat some fat meat :-)

So you must decide....

belly and good liver

or

no belly and broken liver

or

no belly, good liver but no fun....

[JSixpack]

Consider avoiding saturated fats and replace with healthier fats. Definitely eliminate ALL transfats (but its hidden in commercial foods so not easy).

Some research links SATURATED fat more to fat stomachs. More modern obesity scientists understand calories from different sources are NOT the same in how the body deals with them.

If you've got a fat stomach, sorry, you do have a weight related issue with potential health implications regardless of the scale number/BMI number.

http://www.diabetesselfmanagement.com/Blog/Diane-Fennell/saturated-fat-linked-to-accumulation-of-dangerous-belly-fat/

Saturated Fat Linked to Accumulation of Dangerous Belly Fat

Diane Fennell

Eating saturated fat leads to the accumulation of more visceral fat and less muscle mass than eating polyunsaturated fat, according to new research published in the journal Diabetes. Visceral fat, a dangerous type of abdominal fat that wraps itself around the internal organs, has been linked to metabolic disturbances such as Type 2 diabetes.

To determine the effects of dietary fat composition on fat storage in the body, researchers at Uppsala University in Sweden looked at 39 young adults who were randomly assigned to eat 750 extra calories per day from high-fat muffins

Muffins?

Specifically relevant for our Thailand residents:

Diets enriched with saturated fatty acids protect against alcohol-induced liver injury, whereas diets containing polyunsaturated fatty acids promote liver injury (Nanji and French, 1989; Nanji et al., 1989, 1994a). Saturated fatty acids have also been reported to reverse established alcoholic liver injury (Nanji et al., 1995, 1996,1997b).

Now, the fats that promote liver injury are vegetable oils, typically in these tests corn oil and soy oil*. Thanks to the campaign against saturated fats, these are the kind of oils that the fast food eaten by drunken New Zealanders is prepared with today. This seems to be a failure in public health planning.

--http://hopefulgeranium.blogspot.com/2014/04/saturated-fat-is-good-for-you-but-how.html

So the natural instinct is right...when you drink, eat some fat meat :-)

So you must decide....

belly and good liver

or

no belly and broken liver

or

no belly, good liver but no fun....

no belly, good liver, and fun

[h90]

Consider avoiding saturated fats and replace with healthier fats. Definitely eliminate ALL transfats (but its hidden in commercial foods so not easy).

Some research links SATURATED fat more to fat stomachs. More modern obesity scientists understand calories from different sources are NOT the same in how the body deals with them.

If you've got a fat stomach, sorry, you do have a weight related issue with potential health implications regardless of the scale number/BMI number.

http://www.diabetesselfmanagement.com/Blog/Diane-Fennell/saturated-fat-linked-to-accumulation-of-dangerous-belly-fat/

To determine the effects of dietary fat composition on fat storage in the body, researchers at Uppsala University in Sweden looked at 39 young adults who were randomly assigned to eat 750 extra calories per day from high-fat muffins

Muffins?

Specifically relevant for our Thailand residents:

Diets enriched with saturated fatty acids protect against alcohol-induced liver injury, whereas diets containing polyunsaturated fatty acids promote liver injury (Nanji and French, 1989; Nanji et al., 1989, 1994a). Saturated fatty acids have also been reported to reverse established alcoholic liver injury (Nanji et al., 1995, 1996,1997b).

Now, the fats that promote liver injury are vegetable oils, typically in these tests corn oil and soy oil*. Thanks to the campaign against saturated fats, these are the kind of oils that the fast food eaten by drunken New Zealanders is prepared with today. This seems to be a failure in public health planning.

--http://hopefulgeranium.blogspot.com/2014/04/saturated-fat-is-good-for-you-but-how.html

So the natural instinct is right...when you drink, eat some fat meat :-)

So you must decide....

belly and good liver

or

no belly and broken liver

or

no belly, good liver but no fun....

no belly, good liver, and fun

fun without alcohol...that is an alien concept...

(I actually stopped drinking and smoking a while ago.....but since then I am an healthy old grumpy cynic.....no belly, happy liver but no fun....

[Som wat]

Simple.

Fruit for breakfast.

Sex.

Salad for lunch.

Sex, if you can.

Steamed chicken or fish for dinner with veg around 6pm.

Followed by hot green tea or some sort of hot tea.

Evening walk with the missus an hour later.

Do for 3 months.

Guaranteed.

Just don't immediately return to your previous eating habits.

Thread can be closed.

Edited May 5, 2014 by Som wat

[healthbkkbkk]

fun without alcohol...that is an alien concept...

(I actually stopped drinking and smoking a while ago.....but since then I am an healthy old grumpy cynic.....no belly, happy liver but no fun....

No alcohol!? Who's the Pinko Commie Radical that came up with that idea?

Actually I don't drink but I have often wondered how many heavy drinkers remain slim.

[h90]

Simple.

Fruit for breakfast.

Sex.

Salad for lunch.

Sex, if you can.

Steamed chicken or fish for dinner with veg around 6pm.

Followed by hot green tea or some sort of hot tea.

Evening walk with the missus an hour later.

Do for 3 months.

Guaranteed.

Just don't immediately return to your previous eating habits.

Thread can be closed.

Green tea is great....but better ice cold than hot....I like to drink it hot, but after drinking 0.25 liter of it I have to take shower because I sweat too much and after take shower I have to return and take shower again....

[h90]

fun without alcohol...that is an alien concept...

(I actually stopped drinking and smoking a while ago.....but since then I am an healthy old grumpy cynic.....no belly, happy liver but no fun....

No alcohol!? Who's the Pinko Commie Radical that came up with that idea?

Actually I don't drink but I have often wondered how many heavy drinkers remain slim.

Well the Commies never had any problem with drinking....Might be the only topic I am full in agreement with the comrades.

I think professional drinkers don't eat much and you don't build fat from alcohol easily, and even less when your liver is already fighting for survival. And of course you won't build any muscle....As well the liver will need all the protein it gets for enzymes and repairs.

Recreational drinkers do get fat....

Some women beauty magazine brought some alcohol diet. I don't know the details, only heard the aftershocks in the German media when the Political Correct went into rage.

I think the base was something like instead of eating dinner you go to a party and get a couple of vodka.

[Dannyboy6]

Green Tea boosts Your metabolism and don't forget all the antioxidants you get, and if you drink alcohol don't eat...

[Jingthing]

Simple.

Fruit for breakfast.

Sex.

Salad for lunch.

Sex, if you can.

Steamed chicken or fish for dinner with veg around 6pm.

Followed by hot green tea or some sort of hot tea.

Evening walk with the missus an hour later.

Do for 3 months.

Guaranteed.

Just don't immediately return to your previous eating habits.

Thread can be closed.

Guaranteed to fail because that's a crash diet and nobody can sustain that later.

Sent from my Lenovo S820_ROW using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app

[h90]

Simple.

Fruit for breakfast.

Sex.

Salad for lunch.

Sex, if you can.

Steamed chicken or fish for dinner with veg around 6pm.

Followed by hot green tea or some sort of hot tea.

Evening walk with the missus an hour later.

Do for 3 months.

Guaranteed.

Just don't immediately return to your previous eating habits.

Thread can be closed.

Guaranteed to fail because that's a crash diet and nobody can sustain that later.

Sent from my Lenovo S820_ROW using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app

Can not sustain what? the sex? That depends on the partner.

or can not sustain the food? that depends on the will power and on the time of the sex

[Runamile]

"Darling, part of my new diet is that I have to have lots of sex. I don't want to inconvenience you, even less to hurt you, so I'll need to be seeing a large number of bar girls. But, don't worry, I won't take any alcohol at the bar - that's another part of the diet"!

[Som wat]

^^ The drama queen has problems reading. Never mind the thing.

Edited May 5, 2014 by Som wat

[Tony125]

http://healthyliving.msn.com/weight-loss/11-reasons-why-youre-not-losing-belly-fat free tips to lose beer belly

[Wrong Turn]

A good thread that is relevant for many of us. Below, I think this applies to some of us but not all. I think the comments below apply to regular beer drinkers that are over 30.

I have a beer gut now. My grandpa and my uncles had big bellies.

In my mid-40s now, even when I stop drinking beer, the gut does not go away. In fact it has gotten a little bigger in the last 6 months.

As noted in this thread, spot-reduction cannot happen and reducing overall body fat, and cleaning up your diet (macros: Protein/fat/carb) ratio and smart food choices is mandatory.

Secondly, you have to exercise. Period. And you have to work out hard. Regularly.

One this that work well for me is a moderate form of HIIT cardio in the morning on an empty stomach right after I get up. Glycogen store will have your body tap into fat for energy.

Reduce beer intake and try Gin-Tonics or Vodka-Tonic as a replacement for some beer.

Switching will help some (yes there are lots of calories in wine.

[h90]

A good thread that is relevant for many of us. Below, I think this applies to some of us but not all. I think the comments below apply to regular beer drinkers that are over 30.

I have a beer gut now. My grandpa and my uncles had big bellies.

In my mid-40s now, even when I stop drinking beer, the gut does not go away. In fact it has gotten a little bigger in the last 6 months.

As noted in this thread, spot-reduction cannot happen and reducing overall body fat, and cleaning up your diet (macros: Protein/fat/carb) ratio and smart food choices is mandatory.

Secondly, you have to exercise. Period. And you have to work out hard. Regularly.

One this that work well for me is a moderate form of HIIT cardio in the morning on an empty stomach right after I get up. Glycogen store will have your body tap into fat for energy.

Reduce beer intake and try Gin-Tonics or Vodka-Tonic as a replacement for some beer.

Switching will help some (yes there are lots of calories in wine.

No you don't need to exercise.....It works better with exercise and your shape looks better with exercise, but it works exactly the same well without any exercise. Just you must eat even less.

And without exercise I don't see any space for alcohol anymore.

[cnx37]

Don't drink!

[h90]

Don't drink!

Specially when on diet you should drink as much as possible