International alarm mounts over Thai coup

[inutil]

I have a VPN in china, they work. In fact they work a damned sight better than the 'regular' internet. If i try connecting to ThaiVisa without my vpn its often a coin toss on whether its going to arbitrarily time out. Try it on my phone and no chance! Switch on the VPN and even despite the massive cut in speed (can be around 1/10th the advertised speed from my Chinese ISP), its still better for all round surfing. Theyre WELL worth the cash if you live here. In thailand, im sure youre fine. But if you have a vpn, youre probably doing a bit better

[heybruce]

Well, it seems you learned something new today. Bypassing censorship is illegal, describing how to use VPN to do such is against forum rules, imagine None has anything to do with you not being sure how they can catch perpetrators.

As for how many prosecution / convictions, welcome to Thailand, and queue up. Also ALL people involved in the initial talks just before the coup were held for a week and those who still had to hear charges brought against them were escorted to the courts, with compliments of the Army. None held for a week had a lawyer, none was required, just read up on the Military Law in place currently. In general you should do some more reading, not only those bits which conform to your believes. After hearing charges and having bail granted, people go home, waiting for the court to start the case. Cases from years ago still progressing slowly, some come with hundreds of witnesses for or against. Takes time to plan, to execute.

As for depending what they are censoring, well how to define 'inappropriate', 'untruths', 'hate speeches', 'against government policy'. A very thin line. Some might even conclude that your posts are on the wrong side of that line

First paragraph: Please reference the order or law that says it is illegal to read news that originated outside of Thailand. Also, please reference the law that says it's illegal to use a VPN. Also, point out how I explained how to use a VPN; I'd have to look for instructions to set one up. In fact I didn't know they would allow access to blocked sites, and I'm still not convinced. I think when a website is blocked it's blocked, regardless of the internet link used.

As you may have guessed, I don't use a VPN.

Second paragraph: Lots of people were held for a week. That makes it ok then.

Third paragraph: Child pornography can be legally defined in reasonably precise terms. With the qualified exception of "untruths" the rest of your terms are pretty difficult to define. "Some might even conclude..." indicates the vagueness of these terms. Do you advocate censoring lots of stuff, just to make sure you don't miss anything?

You know you're coming across as a volunteer vigilante.

Volunteer vigilante's - There's been a few threats that way on this forum recently, I can't for the life of me think what possesses people like that. Some disguise it in a way that it appears that they're only providing a public service and "wouldn't want the Forum to get into trouble". Really unpleasant individuals, the lot of them.

There's a front page article in today's International New York Times (distributed legally in Thailand, so it's not censored information) that states that some people are using the internet to identify people publicly calling for elections. I wouldn't be surprised if there are some of them on the TV forum, and they may be looking for thought crimes other than calling for elections. As to what possesses them, I assume they like the restrictive security of the current military government and they don't like troublemakers.

For the record, I've described the canceled July elections as a missed opportunity, I've never called for elections since the coup. No thought crimes here.

[Luger2]

"BANGKOK: Thailand's junta said Friday that it had captured a fugitive anti-coup leader facing possible imprisonment"

http://www.thenews.com.pk/article-149928-Thailands-junta-detains-anti-coup-leader

Good to hear the one-eyed pirate was taken into custody.

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/728696-catch-me-if-you-can-red-leader/page-6#entry7924478

"catch me if you can".... indeed.

Edited June 6, 2014 by Luger2

[Publicus]

I have a VPN in china, they work. In fact they work a damned sight better than the 'regular' internet. If i try connecting to ThaiVisa without my vpn its often a coin toss on whether its going to arbitrarily time out. Try it on my phone and no chance! Switch on the VPN and even despite the massive cut in speed (can be around 1/10th the advertised speed from my Chinese ISP), its still better for all round surfing. Theyre WELL worth the cash if you live here. In thailand, im sure youre fine. But if you have a vpn, youre probably doing a bit better

China's technology is pathetic despite their high speed trains and the like. The Boyz in Beijing either steal technology from the US and the West or they buy it from Russia (and even Russia limits what it does sell). The Chinese never say, 'Look at what we invented' and instead always ask, 'How can we do that'?

Despite Thailand not being able to develop its own high speed trains, which it probably doesn't need anyway, it has gained much in technology from the US and Japan especially, but also from the UK, France, Germany, Belgium, Italy among others.

The Boyz in Beijing have no allies, to include North Korea and Moscow, and use the technology they do have to censor as completely as they can, and to oppress, suppress, repress. So I'd hate to see Thailand use the US and Western technology transfers from which it has benefited in the same ways as do the Boyz in Beijing.

The Boyz of Bangkok moreover get no advantage to import censorship technology from the Boyz in Beijing should they try.

A VPN slashes directly through the Great Firewall of China, so what chance do the Boyz of Bangkok have?

Edited June 6, 2014 by Publicus

[heybruce]

Right, military governments have a great track record when it comes to making things better. When have they ever failed?

Regarding the reason and logic of the coup, nothing beyond the official explanation can be discussed here. Those who are genuinely interested in possible alternative motives of the generals need to check uncensored news sources.

Thai governments formed from ONE majority political party or as coalition with the majority partner not really needing the others, also have a wonderful track record. Has nothing to do with democracy though.

AS for the alternative motives which others like to speculate about. Well, some of us had to live with the CAPO demanding all news outlets not to publish news that they could deem to be positive about the anti-government protesters. Didn't hear you at that time, but then maybe you were blocked out by a nasty government?

Non of this is related to growing alarm, except by those who are getting more desperate and some even ridiculous in trying to blame all except Thaksin, Yingluck, Pheu Thai, UDD and so.

Alarmingly yours,

uncle rubl

Actually I've always read outside sources for my substantive news, I use the TV news forum for amusement. Nations with one dominant party, such as Japan for most of its post-war history and Mexico for most of the past 100 years, have a mixed record, but most systems have a mixed record. The record of military governments is more consistent.

But you've made yourself clear--your comfortable with censorship, you don't want news from uncensored sources, you don't need information or informed opinions that conflict with your predetermined views. Point taken.

By the way, did the CAPO back up its demands with armed soldiers and threats of being tried in military courts? Did all news outlets comply?

Well, nice for you, but those of us in Thailand cannot see all news sources outside Thailand. Even using VPN is forbidden and was already mentioned in the Criminal Computer Act the Yingluck government liked so much.

You are mistaken to conclude that I'm comfortable with censorship. I didn't say that or even indicate that. Mind you by now all countries seem to have internet censorship. Are you comfortable with that?

As for CAPO demanding, they had the government's Emergency Decree, later replaced by ISA act. Furthermore the complete police force at the bidding of the caretaker government and Pol. Captain CAPO head Chalerm. They were very generous in passing labels like 'terrorist', 'terrorist symphatiser' and 'terrorist financer'. Lots of people had to go to court to hear the charge being made.

Anyway, SET ended on 1,458. Even if TV internationals are alarmed, Thai seem not.

"Even using VPN is forbidden and was already mentioned in the Criminal Computer Act the Yingluck government liked so much."

I just checked the Computers and Internet forum; I found lots of topics about using VPN's, but couldn't find anything about VPN's being illegal. I'm pretty sure it would be a hot topic if they were illegal. Isn't there a rule against spreading false rumors in TV forums?.

[heybruce]

Right, military governments have a great track record when it comes to making things better. When have they ever failed?

Regarding the reason and logic of the coup, nothing beyond the official explanation can be discussed here. Those who are genuinely interested in possible alternative motives of the generals need to check uncensored news sources.

Never mind knocking the army, how about knocking your ridiculous non democratic, diabolical PTP led by the Shins.

3 years in office and a catastrophic collapse. They got elected and proved they could not run a effective government.

YOU have countered everybody's posts, rarely have you actually started conversations. In denial throughout, dismal poster.

Try telling us about the good there in PTP intentions---remind us all what these Mega PTP achievements in the 3 years--- I've ranted on all along about.

Again save the Suthep-Dems-elections-as being the fault. Start afresh like most eh !!! and see what we can achieve out of the rubble.

"YOU have countered everybody's posts..."

Thank you, I'm flattered. It's not easy with the current censorship.

"...rarely have you actually started conversations."

What do you want to talk about, the weather?

"In denial throughout, dismal poster."

Deny the benefits of the coup? Never. Besides, if I'm a dismal poster just ignore me.

"Try telling us about the good there in PTP intentions---remind us all what these Mega PTP achievements in the 3 years--- I've ranted on all along about."

Once again, I've repeatedly stated the PTP and Yingluck's government were incompetent. I just maintain that a July election would have allowed people the chance to express their dissatisfaction. Of course I'm not calling for elections now, that would be illegal.

I can't go into much more detail. Remember, you're allowed to freely praise the military. I'm not allowed to criticize it.

As an aside, why aren't the enthusiastic reform supporters posting suggested reforms here http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/731829-public-opinion-to-be-considered-in-reform-thailand/page-2? I posted my anti-corruption suggestions on post #33.

Fine so why in heavens name do you relentlessly say the PTP were incompetent, is that all they were.????

Time and time again you have to be informed that until some very knowledgeable people get the reforms written and completed and mulled over Elections are a no go. We must have a sound--clean base for elections not rushed ones to get a quick result. Now it's about sorting out a mega mess. No other choice than have the army in to do it------who would you suggest ??? there is no other body at this time.

I have just answered Rubes post and put my feelings, we did tolerate PTP for a while until we mostly found out what the motives were and they were not for the Thai nation.

I will say lets tolerate the army for now and see how things go, as we did 3 years ago.

Remember Yingluck saying to the Thai nation "after 1 year in office Please give me time" we did THEN ??? Give the general time.

Elected governments can be replaced with elections. Since rubl is playing thought-crime vigilante I won't ask the obvious follow-on question.

[chotthee]

A must watch.

Accurate, concise, non-bias, well presented clip about Thailand.

I hope it made it to compulsory curriculum of every school in the world, especially US & NK schools.

[Publicus]

"Cowardly hiding behind older women and even children." - would you make the same criticism of the PDRC, then? Because as I see they were also largely peaceful but also had a heavily armed group of militants who emerged during violent clashes with police & at Lak Si against the red shirts. If the MiB were justification for the army in 2010 to crackdown, why weren't the PDRC's armed militia justification for a forceful crackdown earlier this year? Of course scores would've died... just like in 2010. Difference in 2010 was Abhisit wasn't willing to dissolve house whereas Yingluck had already done that.

Why would I or even should I?

My dear empty, you waive a story full of holes, you suggest links which are not there.

1. The UDD sponsored violence started way before a crackdown and only really surprised all when the army was seen retreating under fire from 'unarmed peaceful protesters' on the 10th of April, 2010. That was moments after a colonel and staff got a few grenades lobbed on them.

2. The anti-(Yingluck-)government protesters were harassed from day one, shot at, got grenades lobbed on them. This may not completely justify those violent guards, but can be justified up to a point because of being targeted without the police being able (or willing) to offer protection.

3. The LakSI violence started with red-shirts looking for problems, starting to shoot and a few militants arriving to help protect the anti-government protesters.

4. The 2010 justification for the Army crackdown was the clear reluctance of the police to do something about the protesters. With the recent protests the police was more than willing to support the government, and seemingly also prepared to turn a blind eye on violence to anti-government protesters while really at it on violence by the protesters.

5. The dissolution of the House by Yingluck and the strong push by Pheu Thai for new elections was only meant to try to get another 'mandate' to break laws, push blanket amnesty bills and the like.

Obfuscation seems your game, but no set, no match.

Still stuck in the past with tired cliches and the usual bile.But the world has moved on -

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mary-buffett/my-heart-breaks-for-thail_b_5440670.html

Mary Buffett is the world ???

My god.

There's more to the world than the news stories and posts at ThaiVisa and the orders of the current rulers of Thailand.

My god.

[Dr Bruce]

A must watch.

Accurate, concise, non-bias, well presented clip about Thailand.

I hope it made it to compulsory curriculum of every school in the world, especially US & NK schools.

Accurate? Non-Biased?

I do agree that it should be on the school curriclum, along side with the strength through joy films and the stuff China was putting out in the 60s. Did they bring a director in from N.Korea or just copy the style?

[brewsterbudgen]

A must watch.

Accurate, concise, non-bias, well presented clip about Thailand.

I hope it made it to compulsory curriculum of every school in the world, especially US & NK schools.

[i claudius]

A must watch.

Accurate, concise, non-bias, well presented clip about Thailand.

I hope it made it to compulsory curriculum of every school in the world, especially US & NK schools.

I tried to watch this ,but was sick after seeing Tony Liar speak . have only just recovered.

[ginjag]

Fine so why in heavens name do you relentlessly say the PTP were incompetent, is that all they were.????

Time and time again you have to be informed that until some very knowledgeable people get the reforms written and completed and mulled over Elections are a no go. We must have a sound--clean base for elections not rushed ones to get a quick result. Now it's about sorting out a mega mess. No other choice than have the army in to do it------who would you suggest ??? there is no other body at this time.

I have just answered Rubes post and put my feelings, we did tolerate PTP for a while until we mostly found out what the motives were and they were not for the Thai nation.

I will say lets tolerate the army for now and see how things go, as we did 3 years ago.

Remember Yingluck saying to the Thai nation "after 1 year in office Please give me time" we did THEN ??? Give the general time.

Elected governments can be replaced with elections. Since rubl is playing thought-crime vigilante I won't ask the obvious follow-on question.

Normally YES. With all this dung to hit the fan I'm afraid in the circumstances this time there is NO second chance PTP pushed the boat over the falls.

See sense please your asking for elections that are impossible to carry out in the climate created by diabolical government .

Will not have a decent admittance reply unless you have seen the light. then admit it all has to be cleaned up before any elections are to be held.

If this is not common sense then there is not much more to discuss only Suthep and Dems.

If your main point is to ignore the mega dung governing and hold elections whatever, then your motive on TVF must be to try to disrupt rather than adjust.

[fab4]

Fine so why in heavens name do you relentlessly say the PTP were incompetent, is that all they were.????

Time and time again you have to be informed that until some very knowledgeable people get the reforms written and completed and mulled over Elections are a no go. We must have a sound--clean base for elections not rushed ones to get a quick result. Now it's about sorting out a mega mess. No other choice than have the army in to do it------who would you suggest ??? there is no other body at this time.

I have just answered Rubes post and put my feelings, we did tolerate PTP for a while until we mostly found out what the motives were and they were not for the Thai nation.

I will say lets tolerate the army for now and see how things go, as we did 3 years ago.

Remember Yingluck saying to the Thai nation "after 1 year in office Please give me time" we did THEN ??? Give the general time.

Elected governments can be replaced with elections. Since rubl is playing thought-crime vigilante I won't ask the obvious follow-on question.

Normally YES. With all this dung to hit the fan I'm afraid in the circumstances this time there is NO second chance PTP pushed the boat over the falls.

See sense please your asking for elections that are impossible to carry out in the climate created by diabolical government .

Will not have a decent admittance reply unless you have seen the light. then admit it all has to be cleaned up before any elections are to be held.

If this is not common sense then there is not much more to discuss only Suthep and Dems.

If your main point is to ignore the mega dung governing and hold elections whatever, then your motive on TVF must be to try to disrupt rather than adjust.

Whereas your references to a "diabolical government" and "mega dung governing" are not disruptive in the least and are purely in the interests of reconciliation.

[fab4]

In other news Gen Prayuth had this to say about the three fingered salute and foreign influences:

Speaking on the television programme named Bring Happiness Back to Thais last night, Gen Prayuth mentioned the anti-coup three-fingered gesture of defiance copied from the Hollywood movie The Hunger Games. The coup leader said Thais should not copy foreign cultural influences.

Gen Prayuth suggested people who love the nation should hold up five fingers instead. Two fingers would be for the nation and the others for the King, religion and people, he said.

It probably reads better in the Thai language.................

[rabas]

Fine so why in heavens name do you relentlessly say the PTP were incompetent, is that all they were.????

Time and time again you have to be informed that until some very knowledgeable people get the reforms written and completed and mulled over Elections are a no go. We must have a sound--clean base for elections not rushed ones to get a quick result. Now it's about sorting out a mega mess. No other choice than have the army in to do it------who would you suggest ??? there is no other body at this time.

I have just answered Rubes post and put my feelings, we did tolerate PTP for a while until we mostly found out what the motives were and they were not for the Thai nation.

I will say lets tolerate the army for now and see how things go, as we did 3 years ago.

Remember Yingluck saying to the Thai nation "after 1 year in office Please give me time" we did THEN ??? Give the general time.

Elected governments can be replaced with elections. Since rubl is playing thought-crime vigilante I won't ask the obvious follow-on question.

Normally YES. With all this dung to hit the fan I'm afraid in the circumstances this time there is NO second chance PTP pushed the boat over the falls.

See sense please your asking for elections that are impossible to carry out in the climate created by diabolical government .

Will not have a decent admittance reply unless you have seen the light. then admit it all has to be cleaned up before any elections are to be held.

If this is not common sense then there is not much more to discuss only Suthep and Dems.

If your main point is to ignore the mega dung governing and hold elections whatever, then your motive on TVF must be to try to disrupt rather than adjust.

Whereas your references to a "diabolical government" and "mega dung governing" are not disruptive in the least and are purely in the interests of reconciliation.

"diabolical government" and "mega dung governing" are what's being reconciled and reformed, leading to normalcy.

[heybruce]

Fine so why in heavens name do you relentlessly say the PTP were incompetent, is that all they were.????

Time and time again you have to be informed that until some very knowledgeable people get the reforms written and completed and mulled over Elections are a no go. We must have a sound--clean base for elections not rushed ones to get a quick result. Now it's about sorting out a mega mess. No other choice than have the army in to do it------who would you suggest ??? there is no other body at this time.

I have just answered Rubes post and put my feelings, we did tolerate PTP for a while until we mostly found out what the motives were and they were not for the Thai nation.

I will say lets tolerate the army for now and see how things go, as we did 3 years ago.

Remember Yingluck saying to the Thai nation "after 1 year in office Please give me time" we did THEN ??? Give the general time.

Elected governments can be replaced with elections. Since rubl is playing thought-crime vigilante I won't ask the obvious follow-on question.

Normally YES. With all this dung to hit the fan I'm afraid in the circumstances this time there is NO second chance PTP pushed the boat over the falls.

See sense please your asking for elections that are impossible to carry out in the climate created by diabolical government .

Will not have a decent admittance reply unless you have seen the light. then admit it all has to be cleaned up before any elections are to be held.

If this is not common sense then there is not much more to discuss only Suthep and Dems.

If your main point is to ignore the mega dung governing and hold elections whatever, then your motive on TVF must be to try to disrupt rather than adjust.

"elections that are impossible to carry out in the climate created by diabolical government ."

Was Suthep part of the diabolic government? I didn't know that.

There is one obvious flaw in the assumption that the military will clean up corruption and create a system leading to fair elections, one so "in your face" obvious that only the intentionally blind can not see it. Under censorship rules I can not state it, if you refuse to see it you are beyond help. In a couple of years we'll see how wonderful the new Thailand is.

[thaibeachlovers]

"Cowardly hiding behind older women and even children." - would you make the same criticism of the PDRC, then? Because as I see they were also largely peaceful but also had a heavily armed group of militants who emerged during violent clashes with police & at Lak Si against the red shirts. If the MiB were justification for the army in 2010 to crackdown, why weren't the PDRC's armed militia justification for a forceful crackdown earlier this year? Of course scores would've died... just like in 2010. Difference in 2010 was Abhisit wasn't willing to dissolve house whereas Yingluck had already done that.

Why would I or even should I?

My dear empty, you waive a story full of holes, you suggest links which are not there.

1. The UDD sponsored violence started way before a crackdown and only really surprised all when the army was seen retreating under fire from 'unarmed peaceful protesters' on the 10th of April, 2010. That was moments after a colonel and staff got a few grenades lobbed on them.

2. The anti-(Yingluck-)government protesters were harassed from day one, shot at, got grenades lobbed on them. This may not completely justify those violent guards, but can be justified up to a point because of being targeted without the police being able (or willing) to offer protection.

3. The LakSI violence started with red-shirts looking for problems, starting to shoot and a few militants arriving to help protect the anti-government protesters.

4. The 2010 justification for the Army crackdown was the clear reluctance of the police to do something about the protesters. With the recent protests the police was more than willing to support the government, and seemingly also prepared to turn a blind eye on violence to anti-government protesters while really at it on violence by the protesters.

5. The dissolution of the House by Yingluck and the strong push by Pheu Thai for new elections was only meant to try to get another 'mandate' to break laws, push blanket amnesty bills and the like.

Obfuscation seems your game, but no set, no match.

Still stuck in the past with tired cliches and the usual bile.But the world has moved on -

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mary-buffett/my-heart-breaks-for-thail_b_5440670.html

Still unable to comment on posts rather the person who writes the posts I see.

Interesting how it seems possible to write pro-UDD dictatorship while condemning others as fascists.

BTW I like this part from the article you provide a link to. It really shows the objectiveness, importance and no doubt the positive influence on others this will create.

"Even during Watergate, the worst constitutional crisis in the United States since the Civil War, there were no tanks on the streets. Nobody was arrested or detained. Nobody was tortured or killed. Life moved on."

The US is probably not a great example to use. While they may not have had tanks on American streets etc, the US was responsible for such and atrocities in many countries eg Peru, Vietnam, Nicaragua and other middle American continent countries.

[ginjag]

Fine so why in heavens name do you relentlessly say the PTP were incompetent, is that all they were.????

Time and time again you have to be informed that until some very knowledgeable people get the reforms written and completed and mulled over Elections are a no go. We must have a sound--clean base for elections not rushed ones to get a quick result. Now it's about sorting out a mega mess. No other choice than have the army in to do it------who would you suggest ??? there is no other body at this time.

I have just answered Rubes post and put my feelings, we did tolerate PTP for a while until we mostly found out what the motives were and they were not for the Thai nation.

I will say lets tolerate the army for now and see how things go, as we did 3 years ago.

Remember Yingluck saying to the Thai nation "after 1 year in office Please give me time" we did THEN ??? Give the general time.

Elected governments can be replaced with elections. Since rubl is playing thought-crime vigilante I won't ask the obvious follow-on question.

Normally YES. With all this dung to hit the fan I'm afraid in the circumstances this time there is NO second chance PTP pushed the boat over the falls.

See sense please your asking for elections that are impossible to carry out in the climate created by diabolical government .

Will not have a decent admittance reply unless you have seen the light. then admit it all has to be cleaned up before any elections are to be held.

If this is not common sense then there is not much more to discuss only Suthep and Dems.

If your main point is to ignore the mega dung governing and hold elections whatever, then your motive on TVF must be to try to disrupt rather than adjust.

Whereas your references to a "diabolical government" and "mega dung governing" are not disruptive in the least and are purely in the interests of reconciliation.

A judge in the UK example will not turn round and say lets just talk about things, rather than send you DOWN.

My words are true--hard but fact. OR would you not agree again ???

Thaksin wanted freedom of his conviction--and his further 10 ?? others pending---NO WAY.

The turmoil created was not just someone dreamed up to get PTP out they self destructed........reconciliation ??? what ?? you want them cleared of what happened -like they were mistakes ??? they were not errors the wrongs were meant.

you want The army and others to meet PTP and say let us sort something out ??? pewk again.

[ginjag]

Fine so why in heavens name do you relentlessly say the PTP were incompetent, is that all they were.????

Time and time again you have to be informed that until some very knowledgeable people get the reforms written and completed and mulled over Elections are a no go. We must have a sound--clean base for elections not rushed ones to get a quick result. Now it's about sorting out a mega mess. No other choice than have the army in to do it------who would you suggest ??? there is no other body at this time.

I have just answered Rubes post and put my feelings, we did tolerate PTP for a while until we mostly found out what the motives were and they were not for the Thai nation.

I will say lets tolerate the army for now and see how things go, as we did 3 years ago.

Remember Yingluck saying to the Thai nation "after 1 year in office Please give me time" we did THEN ??? Give the general time.

Elected governments can be replaced with elections. Since rubl is playing thought-crime vigilante I won't ask the obvious follow-on question.

Normally YES. With all this dung to hit the fan I'm afraid in the circumstances this time there is NO second chance PTP pushed the boat over the falls.

See sense please your asking for elections that are impossible to carry out in the climate created by diabolical government .

Will not have a decent admittance reply unless you have seen the light. then admit it all has to be cleaned up before any elections are to be held.

If this is not common sense then there is not much more to discuss only Suthep and Dems.

If your main point is to ignore the mega dung governing and hold elections whatever, then your motive on TVF must be to try to disrupt rather than adjust.

"elections that are impossible to carry out in the climate created by diabolical government ."

Was Suthep part of the diabolic government? I didn't know that.

There is one obvious flaw in the assumption that the military will clean up corruption and create a system leading to fair elections, one so "in your face" obvious that only the intentionally blind can not see it. Under censorship rules I can not state it, if you refuse to see it you are beyond help. In a couple of years we'll see how wonderful the new Thailand is.

One lop sided poster aren't you.??

Suthep is mentioned in near all your clan can come up with.

The army are starting to clean up, no problem more so than PTP did in 3 years so don't give me this dung again and again.

You will always relentlessly defend the PTP that seems your purpose on this forum, and why shouldn't I think otherwise. It is blatant and way OTT to back criminal--Shin -the desert nomad. and whoever else ends up in the court---but then when guilty--it is politically motivated, as always--save you breath and wait for it to unravel--but you cannot as it's going against the purpose of your posts.

[TimCM]

In other news Gen Prayuth had this to say about the three fingered salute and foreign influences:

Speaking on the television programme named Bring Happiness Back to Thais last night, Gen Prayuth mentioned the anti-coup three-fingered gesture of defiance copied from the Hollywood movie The Hunger Games. The coup leader said Thais should not copy foreign cultural influences.

Gen Prayuth suggested people who love the nation should hold up five fingers instead. Two fingers would be for the nation and the others for the King, religion and people, he said.

It probably reads better in the Thai language.................

There was a guy in Germany last century that was also a fan of the 5 finger salute, that ended well

[heybruce]

Elected governments can be replaced with elections. Since rubl is playing thought-crime vigilante I won't ask the obvious follow-on question.

Normally YES. With all this dung to hit the fan I'm afraid in the circumstances this time there is NO second chance PTP pushed the boat over the falls.

See sense please your asking for elections that are impossible to carry out in the climate created by diabolical government .

Will not have a decent admittance reply unless you have seen the light. then admit it all has to be cleaned up before any elections are to be held.

If this is not common sense then there is not much more to discuss only Suthep and Dems.

If your main point is to ignore the mega dung governing and hold elections whatever, then your motive on TVF must be to try to disrupt rather than adjust.

"elections that are impossible to carry out in the climate created by diabolical government ."

Was Suthep part of the diabolic government? I didn't know that.

There is one obvious flaw in the assumption that the military will clean up corruption and create a system leading to fair elections, one so "in your face" obvious that only the intentionally blind can not see it. Under censorship rules I can not state it, if you refuse to see it you are beyond help. In a couple of years we'll see how wonderful the new Thailand is.

One lop sided poster aren't you.??

Suthep is mentioned in near all your clan can come up with.

The army are starting to clean up, no problem more so than PTP did in 3 years so don't give me this dung again and again.

You will always relentlessly defend the PTP that seems your purpose on this forum, and why shouldn't I think otherwise. It is blatant and way OTT to back criminal--Shin -the desert nomad. and whoever else ends up in the court---but then when guilty--it is politically motivated, as always--save you breath and wait for it to unravel--but you cannot as it's going against the purpose of your posts.

You have a very Dick Cheney "with us or against us" thought process. I have repeatedly called the PTP and Yingluck governments incompetent and acknowledged these governments were part of a long tradition of corruption in Thailand. I have also reminded you of this repeatedly, but that doesn't conform to your view of things, so you ignore these and other facts that confuse you.

I guess recognizing a choice of evils and choosing the lesser of the two is beyond you. One side is bad so the other side must be good, that's as complex as your binary thinking gets, isn't it?

Edited June 7, 2014 by heybruce

[ginjag]

"elections that are impossible to carry out in the climate created by diabolical government ."

Was Suthep part of the diabolic government? I didn't know that.

There is one obvious flaw in the assumption that the military will clean up corruption and create a system leading to fair elections, one so "in your face" obvious that only the intentionally blind can not see it. Under censorship rules I can not state it, if you refuse to see it you are beyond help. In a couple of years we'll see how wonderful the new Thailand is.

One lop sided poster aren't you.??

Suthep is mentioned in near all your clan can come up with.

The army are starting to clean up, no problem more so than PTP did in 3 years so don't give me this dung again and again.

You will always relentlessly defend the PTP that seems your purpose on this forum, and why shouldn't I think otherwise. It is blatant and way OTT to back criminal--Shin -the desert nomad. and whoever else ends up in the court---but then when guilty--it is politically motivated, as always--save you breath and wait for it to unravel--but you cannot as it's going against the purpose of your posts.

You have a very Dick Cheney "with us or against us" thought process. I have repeatedly called the PTP and Yingluck governments incompetent and acknowledged these governments were part of a long tradition of corruption in Thailand. I have also reminded you of this repeatedly, but that doesn't conform to your view of things, so you ignore these and other facts that confuse you.

I guess recognizing a choice of evils and choosing the lesser of the two is beyond you. One side is bad so the other side must be good, that's as complex as your binary thinking gets, isn't it?

If you say all this then repeatedly keep slagging off opposing factors.

We are these days talking of 1 evil and it's just been kicked in the head. PTP. Now because of PTP are out the picture, and Sutheps gone, what are you trying to prove????

All you and I should be doing is focusing on what the army is trying to achieve, It is not the lesser of two evils ,it is a way out of the dung.

Any thing is better than the last lot-and you have admitted it, but still your rhetoric is the same, give it time, your painting the army black before you give the guy the chance.

We do not have other choices yet, give all the BS a break and for now give the army a break, as it stands he is the new manager, so give some verbal support on here or STAY shut until you can see if things turn out bad. If they do I will be shouting with you and be a critic of--the same I was with the last regime.

Isn't this fair comment ?? but it's what I have been posting all along and all I get from the SAY 4 of you is knock on the head replies.

[Publicus]

I see that the powers that be have sort of decided not to hold meetings they'd sought in Japan and Singapore with executives of Google Inc. and Facebook Inc.

Some Thai government officials initially had planned to travel to Singapore and Japan to meet with executives of Google and Facebook concerning content on the search engine and also at the social media site.

It seems Asia executives of the two companies had agreed to hear out representatives of the current powers that be but then decided not to meet.

I read that:

“At this point, things look fine, so there is no need to make any trip now,” Pisit Pao-In, an adviser to Thailand’s Ministry of Information and Communication Technology , told a New York journal. .

I'd also read that,

Before the meeting with Google and Facebook was canceled, Pao-In had explained to Reuters also what the junta was looking for from the companies.

“We do not ask them to install any additional software. We just ask them to help filtering content,” he said.

The global beat goes on.

[northernjohn]

A must watch.

Accurate, concise, non-bias, well presented clip about Thailand.

I hope it made it to compulsory curriculum of every school in the world, especially US & NK schools.

It was a great clip. I am defiantly on the anti government side. But in all honesty the before the coup shots were cherry picked to show the most extreme. The after the coup scenes were Accurate, concise and non-bias.

Hopefully the people of the world will see this clip. The governments already know it is true but in the name of democracy they can not admit it is the best thing that could have happened to Thailand with the Mess the Shinawatra clan had made of it.

[northernjohn]

Fine so why in heavens name do you relentlessly say the PTP were incompetent, is that all they were.????

Time and time again you have to be informed that until some very knowledgeable people get the reforms written and completed and mulled over Elections are a no go. We must have a sound--clean base for elections not rushed ones to get a quick result. Now it's about sorting out a mega mess. No other choice than have the army in to do it------who would you suggest ??? there is no other body at this time.

I have just answered Rubes post and put my feelings, we did tolerate PTP for a while until we mostly found out what the motives were and they were not for the Thai nation.

I will say lets tolerate the army for now and see how things go, as we did 3 years ago.

Remember Yingluck saying to the Thai nation "after 1 year in office Please give me time" we did THEN ??? Give the general time.

Elected governments can be replaced with elections. Since rubl is playing thought-crime vigilante I won't ask the obvious follow-on question.

Normally YES. With all this dung to hit the fan I'm afraid in the circumstances this time there is NO second chance PTP pushed the boat over the falls.

See sense please your asking for elections that are impossible to carry out in the climate created by diabolical government .

Will not have a decent admittance reply unless you have seen the light. then admit it all has to be cleaned up before any elections are to be held.

If this is not common sense then there is not much more to discuss only Suthep and Dems.

If your main point is to ignore the mega dung governing and hold elections whatever, then your motive on TVF must be to try to disrupt rather than adjust.

Whereas your references to a "diabolical government" and "mega dung governing" are not disruptive in the least and are purely in the interests of reconciliation.

Sad to say but you are rite the truth must be out for reconciliation. Ask any Rice farmer that committed suicide over the rice scam if he believes in covering up all the dirt will make it all better.

Get back to me on that will you.

In the mean time crusade on. You are accomplishing miracle's.

Edited June 7, 2014 by northernjohn

[heybruce]

One lop sided poster aren't you.??

Suthep is mentioned in near all your clan can come up with.

The army are starting to clean up, no problem more so than PTP did in 3 years so don't give me this dung again and again.

You will always relentlessly defend the PTP that seems your purpose on this forum, and why shouldn't I think otherwise. It is blatant and way OTT to back criminal--Shin -the desert nomad. and whoever else ends up in the court---but then when guilty--it is politically motivated, as always--save you breath and wait for it to unravel--but you cannot as it's going against the purpose of your posts.

You have a very Dick Cheney "with us or against us" thought process. I have repeatedly called the PTP and Yingluck governments incompetent and acknowledged these governments were part of a long tradition of corruption in Thailand. I have also reminded you of this repeatedly, but that doesn't conform to your view of things, so you ignore these and other facts that confuse you.

I guess recognizing a choice of evils and choosing the lesser of the two is beyond you. One side is bad so the other side must be good, that's as complex as your binary thinking gets, isn't it?

If you say all this then repeatedly keep slagging off opposing factors.

We are these days talking of 1 evil and it's just been kicked in the head. PTP. Now because of PTP are out the picture, and Sutheps gone, what are you trying to prove????

All you and I should be doing is focusing on what the army is trying to achieve, It is not the lesser of two evils ,it is a way out of the dung.

Any thing is better than the last lot-and you have admitted it, but still your rhetoric is the same, give it time, your painting the army black before you give the guy the chance.

We do not have other choices yet, give all the BS a break and for now give the army a break, as it stands he is the new manager, so give some verbal support on here or STAY shut until you can see if things turn out bad. If they do I will be shouting with you and be a critic of--the same I was with the last regime.

Isn't this fair comment ?? but it's what I have been posting all along and all I get from the SAY 4 of you is knock on the head replies.

"Any thing is better than the last lot-and you have admitted it,"

I agreed things were bad, I never said anything would be better. I am convinced things can get much worse, and I could provide good reasons and examples not too distant in history and geography. Unfortunately censorship makes this a very one-sided discussion.

Edited June 7, 2014 by heybruce

[michaeljordan]

It is interesting how Thailands current puppet dictatorship, which takes orders from the same group that has given orders for over 50 years, is cracking down so so hard.

People posting are afraid. If they are in Thailand, well they should be.

This in itself is very sad indeed.

Perhaps the closer a group gets to losing what they have, the more desperate they act.

Thailand is not what it once was. Hard to be happy when someone has a gun to your head.

The Baht is 33 or so against the US dollar. It likely will head past 40.

This is great for tourist if they were not afraid of this place. Yet it is not so good for you boys and girls working and making baht is it.

Pluses and minuses

Plus--girls look good.

Plus--girls look good

Minus-Air pollution

Minus- crime

Minus-Dictatorship

Minus- poor pay

Plus--girls

Are you staying?

I bet the vast majority of you will leave should this get even a little worse.

Even a site like this could be completely closed down soon.

The only reason it has not been is because it is English and nobody gives a rats what farang think anyway.

Who would have though that Cambodia would become more free than Thailand.

it is you know.

[Fat Haggis]

I dunno where you are getting the idea that the Baht will head to 40 ( i'd be happy as I get paid in $) through the week it peaked around 32.8 according to xe.com on my iphone and is now back down to 32.4.. It has remained quite steady for the past couple of months, the coup hasn't effected the exchange rate by much, if anything at all.

[englishoak]

Quite a bit in international press over the last few days about things that are not allowed to be mentioned, digging deeper into the reasons and back room power play. Quite regular papers too, UK Financial times, the independent, US Washington post. seems to be a real interest in discussing that which cannot be in LOS. A lot of interest from Amnesty International on infringements of basic human rights.

Id say nothing about the international community's concern has changed, if anything the reporters are digging deeper than a week ago and bringing items to the foreground that might have otherwise been ignored or considered uninteresting.

[Publicus]

Quite a bit in international press over the last few days about things that are not allowed to be mentioned, digging deeper into the reasons and back room power play. Quite regular papers too, UK Financial times, the independent, US Washington post. seems to be a real interest in discussing that which cannot be in LOS. A lot of interest from Amnesty International on infringements of basic human rights.

Id say nothing about the international community's concern has changed, if anything the reporters are digging deeper than a week ago and bringing items to the foreground that might have otherwise been ignored or considered uninteresting.

This time the takeover of the country to quash democracy is of such a serious and unprecedentedly profound nature the foreign MSM and NGOs are going where they hadn't ever gone before.

The global reaction is already sparing no inward looking or parochial interests or institutions.

This one is going to cost, and its wages have only begun to be exacted globally.