Body found in Bangkok canal during search for PCAD weapons

[wandasloan]

Just for our peace of mind, Lumpini lake should be dredged and grounds examined for burial sites. I bet something unpleasant will be found.

Pretty good idea. Although to be fair, quite a few unpleasant somethings have been found, thank goodness no bodies.

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[fab4]

Prbkk post # 10

But it remains ok to speculate endlessly about the role of the red shirts and indeed the Shinawatra family in violent events on dozens of threads?

There is no speculation regarding the Shinwatra clan or the Red Shirts.The evidence of their activities is freely a available via the public domain and of course also the Thai judicial system and public opinion.

It is rather sad that you are able to judge one and find them guilty on no evidence apart from what may be or actually is indoctrinated into your mind, yet the other party you idolise are judged to be lily white vestal virgins.

One is led to wonder whether your ancestors may have been leaders in lynching parties and vigilante justice parties?

Perhaps you would be so kind as to reveal to us all just how talented you are and thus able to turn a pigs ear into a silk purse.

Perish the thought though that we might be accused of considering you biased of course.

There is no speculation regarding the Shinwatra clan or the Red Shirts.

Therefore, according to you, any speculation about the activities of the UDD or the Shinawatra family is not speculation, but fact.

Siampolee, that is right up there alongside your most outrageous and stupid statements. Well done.

[englishoak]

Lets just stick to the main headline here and consider its entirely possible and likely the PDRC are involved and linked to this one, as other caches found and violent crimes are just as likely linked to other groups.

Aint no innocent parties out there and the sooner some realise that the better.

[siampolee]

fab4 post # 63

There is no speculation regarding the Shinwatra clan or the Red Shirts.

Therefore, according to you, any speculation about the activities of the UDD or the Shinawatra family is not speculation, but fact.

Siampolee, that is right up there alongside your most outrageous and stupid statements. Well done.

Yet again you deny the truth that is freely available from the public domain concerning the Shinwatra clan and the Red shirts.

You really are a sad brain washed delusional character more to be pitied that taken note of.

Still you do certainly provide a vast amount of merriment and mirth among us with your tragic comical post.

All that spinning you do must result in the most traumatic effects with vertigo for you.

Edited June 5, 2014 by siampolee

[55Jay]

The Thai Press needs to come up with another name for these small bomblets.

[Prbkk]

fab4 post # 63

There is no speculation regarding the Shinwatra clan or the Red Shirts.

Therefore, according to you, any speculation about the activities of the UDD or the Shinawatra family is not speculation, but fact.

Siampolee, that is right up there alongside your most outrageous and stupid statements. Well done.

Yet again you deny the truth that is freely available from the public domain concerning the Shinwatra clan and the Red shirts.

You really are a sad brain washed delusional character more to be pitied that taken note of.

Still you do certainly provide a vast amount of merriment and mirth among us with your tragic comical post.

All that spinning you do must result in the most traumatic effects with vertigo for you.

hah! Your spinning would make the whirling dervishes envious.

[Baerboxer]

How many others did the monk's thugs murder?

Quick with your conclusions? Do you have any evidence to show that any murder has been carried out by the guards or protesters since the diabolical amnesty bill fiasco kicked all this off?

How many did Thaksin's thugs murder? In his war on drugs extra judicial executions, in murdering people down South, in 2010 and now in their attempt to cling to power? I posit far more than any murders that can be proven to be associated with any groups that have been involved in protesting against any Thaksin political vehicle used to give him control over the last several years.

There is no evidence that this murder has any connection to the protests so far. But the Thaksin owned Khoasod eagerly make the suggestion. Which of course you lap up and expand into a much broader question with your usual sophistry.

Sadly, innocent lives have been lost. Hopefully some of the criminal thugs that carried out these outrageous attacks. and those issuing the orders and payments, will be caught, tried and if guilty punished in accordance with the law. That should be the case whatever political affiliations the murderer's have.

Noticeably more success in preventing these attacks and catching the criminals responsible since the Army took over. CAPO and the RTP couldn't seem to do either for some reason, despite their vast unaccounted for budget spend.

[Baerboxer]

Lets just stick to the main headline here and consider its entirely possible and likely the PDRC are involved and linked to this one, as other caches found and violent crimes are just as likely linked to other groups.

Aint no innocent parties out there and the sooner some realise that the better.

Possible, yes for sure. Likely - why, because Khoasod put the link in their article?

Could be a debtor, unwanted marital partner, unwanted lover, someone in the wrong place at the wrong time, upset the wrong people, bad business deal, knew too much, etc etc etc.

Violent crime is not unknown in Thailand. Criminals will not have missed the opportunity that murders would be blamed on "the troubles" at the moment.

It's possible that this murder is totally unconnected to political events. Could be someone murdered by one or the other of the political divide. Might even be a squabble among one of the political divide that got out of hand. All speculation and there is no evidence to suggest that one theory is more "likely" than the other.

[Baerboxer]

How many others did the monk's thugs murder?

After more news comes out it seems this was NOT near where the monk was. I guess you are now going to say you were wrong and admit it ?

But there were other anti government groups there but that does not mean that it was done by those.. if so i hope they get punished.

He won't admit he's wrong. He'll simply ignore your post, and carry on making non factual comments, based on political propaganda rather than any evidence.

[wandasloan]

I can't believe that divers are in that canal. What courage. They should receive all sorts of danger money and bravery awards!

This body could have been disposed of by anyone or any group. Thailand, like any other nation, has murders that don't have a political motive. Please don't be so quick to allocate blame.

Well, not in the sense that there are 15 or 65 million suspects, really. This was a controlled area for a very long time, during which the killing and body dumping took place. In reality, there are a small number of groups and a fairly small number of individual suspects. It's not literally true that "anyone" could have done it, the suspect pool is way smaller.

Good for the divers, you bet. And the investigators in general. One hopes this case will be pursued aggressively, and that previous cases - murders and maiming and even slight injuries as well - will be (pardon the expression) dredged up and pursued with the same or greater vigour.

Along that line, note the excellent joint task force work that has brought two of the main three suspects in the deaths of those two 5-year-olds in Trat and it looks like they're the real deal, not scapegoats. The fact these killers and attackers are red, yellow, blue or orange with purple polka dots is a never-mind to me. I couldn't care less. Almost no one in Thailand is a murderer, whatever his politics. Getting rid of those few who are is to everyone's benefit.

Only the very blindest and, yes, sorry, stupidest people cannot yet see that the group(s) they support contain a few really bad apples. The idea that one group, any group at all consists entirely of saints is, yes, again, stupid.

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[toybits]

Well, not surprised really. They have to get rid of the evidence quickly and the canal was conveniently there... Really a sad waste of precious life.

[Morch]

If the body turns out to be unrelated to the protests

A very real possibility in a city of 10 million people where unrelated-to-protests murders occur all too frequently.

No, it is a bare possibility. And I only say that because I never say "never".

The place and surrounding area where the body was found has been under constant and strong... shall we say "occupation" for quite a long time, well before the killing, which was very roughly a month ago. It's barely possible it was unrelated to the pro-Suthep mobs (plural) but the possibility is very, very close to zero that it had nothing to do with protests. When the actual pro-Suthep people were not at Government House, troops or police or some other force with protest connections WERE there. Chances this is a "10 million people in the Naked City..." event are as close to nil as possible. This is a protest murder, just as close as "damn" is to swearing.

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Probably correct.

That said, it would be better to wait for inquiry results.

While there were few sort of similar cases, and claims that they were PCAD's doing - non of them had the chance to be

thoroughly investigated yet. Hopefully this would change. Pointing fingers at the monk does seem a bit off mark, not exactly

his turf, I think.

As for weapons - they should have searched the PCAD guards before dissolving the demonstration, confiscating any illegal

weapons. May have done that, but don't recall headlines to that effect.

[Eric Loh]

As one famous man said "where is the evidence". So don't jump to conclusion over some media news. Evidence matters whether it's body in canal, child murders in Trat or even corruption in rice and tablets schemes. Spare the speculation which are never facts unless supported by evidence.

[siampolee]

Suspects in grenade attack on PDRC rally in Trat arrested

Prbkk post 69

hah! Your spinning would make the whirling dervishes envious.

fab4 post # 63

here is no speculation regarding the Shinwatra clan or the Red Shirts.

Therefore, according to you, any speculation about the activities of the UDD or the Shinawatra family is not speculation, but fact.

Siampolee, that is right up there alongside your most outrageous and stupid statements. Well done.

All rather telling that those two (we presume they are two different posters) infamous spin doctors Prbkk and fab4 seem to find it too challenging to post the forum quoted above perhaps their spinning skills are not able to beat the truth

Edited June 5, 2014 by siampolee

[wandasloan]

Probably correct.

That said, it would be better to wait for inquiry results.

While there were few sort of similar cases, and claims that they were PCAD's doing - non of them had the chance to be

thoroughly investigated yet. Hopefully this would change. Pointing fingers at the monk does seem a bit off mark, not exactly

his turf, I think.

As for weapons - they should have searched the PCAD guards before dissolving the demonstration, confiscating any illegal

weapons. May have done that, but don't recall headlines to that effect.

Now that you bring it up, the same sort of thing happened in the final days of the PAD in late 2008, the yellows of Sondhi and his mad monk. In their final demented days at the airport, bodies started turning up at the "guard posts" and thrown off the airport road bridges and so on. None of these killings was solved, of course. It's a truly weird coincidence. One must hope now that the body at Government House is the last AND the murder is accountable, both.

The other mad monk, the one of 2014, wasn't in a place to do this specific killing. But as I say, I hope they get everyone for everything, and that means this Mad Monk II has to go under the light, just like everyone else. The idea that his gang was recently sainted is of course ludicrous, Suthep lemmings to the contrary. We know they beat up several people, that's for sure.

There are more than four dozen unsolved murders and really, truly serious assaults. There are well over a dozen with no suspects at all, even by political sympathies (red, yellow, blue....). Get them all, please.

When last seen, Mad Monk 2014 was back at his Nakhon Pathom wat doing... well, the things he's been getting away with for a long time. He COULD be helping authorities with their inquiries. Let's hope he soon does so.

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[Luger2]

Lets just stick to the main headline here and consider its entirely possible and likely the PDRC are involved and linked to this one, as other caches found and violent crimes are just as likely linked to other groups.

Aint no innocent parties out there and the sooner some realise that the better.

Possible, yes for sure. Likely - why, because Khoasod put the link in their article?

Could be a debtor, unwanted marital partner, unwanted lover, someone in the wrong place at the wrong time, upset the wrong people, bad business deal, knew too much, etc etc etc.

Violent crime is not unknown in Thailand. Criminals will not have missed the opportunity that murders would be blamed on "the troubles" at the moment.

It's possible that this murder is totally unconnected to political events. Could be someone murdered by one or the other of the political divide. Might even be a squabble among one of the political divide that got out of hand. All speculation and there is no evidence to suggest that one theory is more "likely" than the other.

Indeed, hundreds of non-political murders occur in Bangkok.

Homicide rates for selected countries' most populous cities

Region - Country - City - Rate per 100,000 people

Asia - Thailand - Bangkok - 4.0

http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2012/nov/30/new-york-crime-free-day-deadliest-cities-worldwide

The body was found in pieces in a very advanced stage of decomposition, so much so that even the sex of of the victim is unknown, as well as:

they were not able to immediately identify the gender, nationality, or age of the deceased body, which was largely decomposed.

but our junior detectives here are determined and eager to crack the case by noon.

Edited June 5, 2014 by Luger2

[Robby nz]

Lets just stick to the main headline here and consider its entirely possible and likely the PDRC are involved and linked to this one, as other caches found and violent crimes are just as likely linked to other groups.

Aint no innocent parties out there and the sooner some realise that the better.

Possible, yes for sure. Likely - why, because Khoasod put the link in their article?

Could be a debtor, unwanted marital partner, unwanted lover, someone in the wrong place at the wrong time, upset the wrong people, bad business deal, knew too much, etc etc etc.

Violent crime is not unknown in Thailand. Criminals will not have missed the opportunity that murders would be blamed on "the troubles" at the moment.

It's possible that this murder is totally unconnected to political events. Could be someone murdered by one or the other of the political divide. Might even be a squabble among one of the political divide that got out of hand. All speculation and there is no evidence to suggest that one theory is more "likely" than the other.

Indeed, hundreds of non-political murders occur in Bangkok.

Homicide rates for selected countries' most populous cities

Region - Country - City - Rate per 100,000 people

Asia - Thailand - Bangkok - 4.0

http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2012/nov/30/new-york-crime-free-day-deadliest-cities-worldwide

The body was found in pieces in a very advanced stage of decomposition, so much so that even the sex of of the victim is unknown, as well as:

they were not able to immediately identify the gender, nationality, or age of the deceased body, which was largely decomposed.

but our junior detectives here are determined and eager to crack the case by noon.

By noon, they are better than that.

Go back and have a look one of them had done it by post number 4.

[Artisi]

Lets just stick to the main headline here and consider its entirely possible and likely the PDRC are involved and linked to this one, as other caches found and violent crimes are just as likely linked to other groups.

Aint no innocent parties out there and the sooner some realise that the better.

Possible, yes for sure. Likely - why, because Khoasod put the link in their article?

Could be a debtor, unwanted marital partner, unwanted lover, someone in the wrong place at the wrong time, upset the wrong people, bad business deal, knew too much, etc etc etc.

Violent crime is not unknown in Thailand. Criminals will not have missed the opportunity that murders would be blamed on "the troubles" at the moment.

It's possible that this murder is totally unconnected to political events. Could be someone murdered by one or the other of the political divide. Might even be a squabble among one of the political divide that got out of hand. All speculation and there is no evidence to suggest that one theory is more "likely" than the other.

Indeed, hundreds of non-political murders occur in Bangkok.

Homicide rates for selected countries' most populous cities

Region - Country - City - Rate per 100,000 people

Asia - Thailand - Bangkok - 4.0

http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2012/nov/30/new-york-crime-free-day-deadliest-cities-worldwide

The body was found in pieces in a very advanced stage of decomposition, so much so that even the sex of of the victim is unknown, as well as:

they were not able to immediately identify the gender, nationality, or age of the deceased body, which was largely decomposed.

but our junior detectives here are determined and eager to crack the case by noon.

Followed by the official police finding of suicide by 5pm today.

[wandasloan]

Please explain what land and what 100m Bht.?

This land. It was in every single Thai newspaper, on radio and TV.... heck it was even on Thai Visa. The only place it hasn't appeared is from the mouth of Mr Suthep. But the land papers are there. Until HE speaks, the documents speak for him and people with nasty minds will think the worst, just like they're entitled.

ThaiVisa link aka "the last to know": http://goo.gl/Mr91qB

As for being in power - neither is / was the camel herder and look at the damage he's unleashed on Thailand.

And careful of the slanderous accusations you are making - Thai prison from all accounts isn't all that nice.

And since you have no idea what "slander" is, you might as well drop that nonsense too. You're beclowning yourself all over this thread. You're as threatening as

.

[Morch]

Probably correct.

That said, it would be better to wait for inquiry results.

While there were few sort of similar cases, and claims that they were PCAD's doing - non of them had the chance to be

thoroughly investigated yet. Hopefully this would change. Pointing fingers at the monk does seem a bit off mark, not exactly

his turf, I think.

As for weapons - they should have searched the PCAD guards before dissolving the demonstration, confiscating any illegal

weapons. May have done that, but don't recall headlines to that effect.

Now that you bring it up, the same sort of thing happened in the final days of the PAD in late 2008, the yellows of Sondhi and his mad monk. In their final demented days at the airport, bodies started turning up at the "guard posts" and thrown off the airport road bridges and so on. None of these killings was solved, of course. It's a truly weird coincidence. One must hope now that the body at Government House is the last AND the murder is accountable, both.

The other mad monk, the one of 2014, wasn't in a place to do this specific killing. But as I say, I hope they get everyone for everything, and that means this Mad Monk II has to go under the light, just like everyone else. The idea that his gang was recently sainted is of course ludicrous, Suthep lemmings to the contrary. We know they beat up several people, that's for sure.

There are more than four dozen unsolved murders and really, truly serious assaults. There are well over a dozen with no suspects at all, even by political sympathies (red, yellow, blue....). Get them all, please.

When last seen, Mad Monk 2014 was back at his Nakhon Pathom wat doing... well, the things he's been getting away with for a long time. He COULD be helping authorities with their inquiries. Let's hope he soon does so.

.

Sorry, I don't subscribe to the "Mad Monk" thing.

He's clearly not mad, and this sort of rhetoric, directed at anyone isn't really constructive (not being saintly on this,

but to my defense, Charlem makes it too tempting at times). He's also not, as others here repeatedly portray him,

an earthly manifestation of all that's evil. As far as I know he's not doing anything spectacularly illegal at his wat.

Not saying he and his group should not be investigated, as they are obviously responsible for some wrongdoing (which

even he admitted). It should also be established just how responsible he is for their actions and steps taken in case he's

found guilty. Being a monk, in Thailand, this is not very likely to happen.

If memory serves, there was one body found at the airport, post PAD-demonstrations. I think I linked the article a

while back, with police citing results were inconclusive about that one (but could be wrong, will try to look later).

[fab4]

fab4 post # 63

There is no speculation regarding the Shinwatra clan or the Red Shirts.

Therefore, according to you, any speculation about the activities of the UDD or the Shinawatra family is not speculation, but fact.

Siampolee, that is right up there alongside your most outrageous and stupid statements. Well done.

Yet again you deny the truth that is freely available from the public domain concerning the Shinwatra clan and the Red shirts.

You really are a sad brain washed delusional character more to be pitied that taken note of.

Still you do certainly provide a vast amount of merriment and mirth among us with your tragic comical post.

All that spinning you do must result in the most traumatic effects with vertigo for you.

Comprehension of the English Language is a wonderful thing. You ought to try it some time.

[Eric Loh]

Please explain what land and what 100m Bht.?

This land. It was in every single Thai newspaper, on radio and TV.... heck it was even on Thai Visa. The only place it hasn't appeared is from the mouth of Mr Suthep. But the land papers are there. Until HE speaks, the documents speak for him and people with nasty minds will think the worst, just like they're entitled.

ThaiVisa link aka "the last to know": http://goo.gl/Mr91qB

As for being in power - neither is / was the camel herder and look at the damage he's unleashed on Thailand.

And careful of the slanderous accusations you are making - Thai prison from all accounts isn't all that nice.

And since you have no idea what "slander" is, you might as well drop that nonsense too. You're beclowning yourself all over this thread. You're as threatening as unthreat.jpg

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Scraping the bottom of the barrel now, quoting Khaosod English as a reliable news source.

Didn't see Suthep replying to the allegation or sue. Lots of unaccountable donation in hands of a corrupted politician. Says a lot.

[Emptyset]

How many others did the monk's thugs murder?

Quick with your conclusions? Do you have any evidence to show that any murder has been carried out by the guards or protesters since the diabolical amnesty bill fiasco kicked all this off?

How many did Thaksin's thugs murder? In his war on drugs extra judicial executions, in murdering people down South, in 2010 and now in their attempt to cling to power? I posit far more than any murders that can be proven to be associated with any groups that have been involved in protesting against any Thaksin political vehicle used to give him control over the last several years.

There is no evidence that this murder has any connection to the protests so far. But the Thaksin owned Khoasod eagerly make the suggestion. Which of course you lap up and expand into a much broader question with your usual sophistry.

Sadly, innocent lives have been lost. Hopefully some of the criminal thugs that carried out these outrageous attacks. and those issuing the orders and payments, will be caught, tried and if guilty punished in accordance with the law. That should be the case whatever political affiliations the murderer's have.

Noticeably more success in preventing these attacks and catching the criminals responsible since the Army took over. CAPO and the RTP couldn't seem to do either for some reason, despite their vast unaccounted for budget spend.

"Do you have any evidence to show that any murder has been carried out by the guards or protesters since the diabolical amnesty bill fiasco kicked all this off?"

Well, it seems pretty clear that they at least killed 3 cops and 3 red shirts at Ramkhamhaeng. The evidence is more murky for the Ramkhamhaeng incident, but at least one was shot from a dorm and the student gunmen caught. The evidence for the protesters killing the cops is a lot clearer, in clashes between the two groups in which both sides were armed. So yes is the answer to your question.

As for sophistry, your second paragraph is a non sequitur. What does the WOD have to do with the body in the canal? Absolutely nothing, I'd suggest. Presumably you intended to suggest that Thaksin has killed more in the past, so even if the PCAD did kill people (which you claim you've seen no evidence for), it'd be OK because Thaksin is super evil and whatever is necessary to win the battle against him is justified? Otherwise I can see no connection.

Anyway, despite Thaksin's influence within Matichon, I don't see Khao Sod as anymore biased than The Nation or Post. It got boring when people kept going on about the "yellow" Nation (yes, obviously the vast majority of journalists and the editor are anti-TS but that alone doesn't discredit every single article) and now this thing is getting dull unless someone can actually prove Khao Sod has lied about something. The Post also has ties with the junta, but as they've still published a few critical articles, some crazed PDRC fans are starting to call it a "red" newspaper. Quite absurd. Be aware of the possible bias, but judge each article on its merits, looking at the evidence and arguments. In this case, Khao Sod would be remiss not to suggest a link to the PCAD, for the reasons Wandasloane has enumerated on this thread.

Recall that there have been several cases - this may be the fourth? - of bodies being found dumped near the protest sites, and evidence of torture was found on at least one of the bodies. If you combine that with the reports of people who claim to have escaped from the PCAD guards after being subjected to torture (one man claimed to have been held for five days, beaten, tied up and thrown in the river), then it's hardly a stretch to think that this could be a similar story. Of course we'll have to wait for more evidence to conclude decisively, but taking the other cases into account and the proximity of the corpse to the protest site, the implication that the PCAD guards were involved seems stronger than a lot of things people allege about the red shirts.

[gemini81]

How many others did the monk's thugs murder?

Still haven't given up on the troll posts, huh?

[wandasloan]

Scraping the bottom of the barrel now, quoting Khaosod English as a reliable news source.

Scraping the bottom of the barrel REFUSING to look for other sources apart from the official source authorised on this site. Not only scraping the bottom of the barrel, but once again making yourself look every silly.

It's completely your choice whether to participate in this forum. I'd like to repeat that, slowly: y-o-u-r choice. You can address this story, in effect a charge against Suthep.

Or

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[Artisi]

Please explain what land and what 100m Bht.?

This land. It was in every single Thai newspaper, on radio and TV.... heck it was even on Thai Visa. The only place it hasn't appeared is from the mouth of Mr Suthep. But the land papers are there. Until HE speaks, the documents speak for him and people with nasty minds will think the worst, just like they're entitled.

ThaiVisa link aka "the last to know": http://goo.gl/Mr91qB

And since you have no idea what "slander" is, you might as well drop that nonsense too. You're beclowning yourself all over this thread. You're as threatening as unthreat.jpg

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Scraping the bottom of the barrel now, quoting Khaosod English as a reliable news source.

So what have they lied about? Posters accusing them of misquoting and making things up have been proven wrong in the past. Of course, as a tabloid they're more likely to publish stuff that's just rumour, but if you read some of the stories that other Thai tabloids think acceptable, you'd probably conclude Khao Sod was one of the better ones (see this, for instance: http://asiancorrespondent.com/123408/naew-na-columnist-exposes-the-western-superpower-plot-to-destroy-thailand/). They did get a story about Issara wrong and later retracted it. I'd never claim they were 100% reliable but the opprobrium they get on here is just ridiculous. Mind you, I think the same about Nick Nostitz, so most posters on here would no doubt question my judgement.

As I said, the Post and Nation are also biased so it's not like there's a 100% reliable paper of record you can trust. Khao Sod definitely takes an overt pro-red stance but at least you know where they're coming from. As I've said, if you can prove they've lied about something, I'd be interested to see the evidence.

Did anyone say they lied, the statement inferred they are not a reliable news source - and for the record neither are The Nation or Bangkok Post.

[JRSoul]

I can't believe that divers are in that canal. What courage. They should receive all sorts of danger money and bravery awards!

This body could have been disposed of by anyone or any group. Thailand, like any other nation, has murders that don't have a political motive. Please don't be so quick to allocate blame.

Well, not in the sense that there are 15 or 65 million suspects, really. This was a controlled area for a very long time, during which the killing and body dumping took place. In reality, there are a small number of groups and a fairly small number of individual suspects. It's not literally true that "anyone" could have done it, the suspect pool is way smaller.

Good for the divers, you bet. And the investigators in general. One hopes this case will be pursued aggressively, and that previous cases - murders and maiming and even slight injuries as well - will be (pardon the expression) dredged up and pursued with the same or greater vigour.

Along that line, note the excellent joint task force work that has brought two of the main three suspects in the deaths of those two 5-year-olds in Trat and it looks like they're the real deal, not scapegoats. The fact these killers and attackers are red, yellow, blue or orange with purple polka dots is a never-mind to me. I couldn't care less. Almost no one in Thailand is a murderer, whatever his politics. Getting rid of those few who are is to everyone's benefit.

Only the very blindest and, yes, sorry, stupidest people cannot yet see that the group(s) they support contain a few really bad apples. The idea that one group, any group at all consists entirely of saints is, yes, again, stupid.

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You seem to have a lot to say about a body found in a canal, with absolutely no proof presented so far that it was a case of murder, or even that the disposal of that body occurred anywhere near where it was found.

[Luger2]

This land. It was in every single Thai newspaper, on radio and TV.... heck it was even on Thai Visa. The only place it hasn't appeared is from the mouth of Mr Suthep. But the land papers are there. Until HE speaks, the documents speak for him and people with nasty minds will think the worst, just like they're entitled.

ThaiVisa link aka "the last to know": http://goo.gl/Mr91qB

And since you have no idea what "slander" is, you might as well drop that nonsense too. You're beclowning yourself all over this thread. You're as threatening as unthreat.jpg

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Scraping the bottom of the barrel now, quoting Khaosod English as a reliable news source.

So what have they lied about? Posters accusing them of misquoting and making things up have been proven wrong in the past. Of course, as a tabloid they're more likely to publish stuff that's just rumour, but if you read some of the stories that other Thai tabloids think acceptable, you'd probably conclude Khao Sod was one of the better ones (see this, for instance: http://asiancorrespondent.com/123408/naew-na-columnist-exposes-the-western-superpower-plot-to-destroy-thailand/). They did get a story about Issara wrong and later retracted it. I'd never claim they were 100% reliable but the opprobrium they get on here is just ridiculous. Mind you, I think the same about Nick Nostitz, so most posters on here would no doubt question my judgement.

As I said, the Post and Nation are also biased so it's not like there's a 100% reliable paper of record you can trust. Khao Sod definitely takes an overt pro-red stance but at least you know where they're coming from. As I've said, if you can prove they've lied about something, I'd be interested to see the evidence.

Did anyone say they lied, the statement inferred they are not a reliable news source - and for the record neither are The Nation or Bangkok Post.

Even less reliable is their source for the allegation, the Pheu Thai Spokesman.

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How many others did the monk's thugs murder?

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fab4 post # 63

There is no speculation regarding the Shinwatra clan or the Red Shirts.

Therefore, according to you, any speculation about the activities of the UDD or the Shinawatra family is not speculation, but fact.

Siampolee, that is right up there alongside your most outrageous and stupid statements. Well done.

Yet again you deny the truth that is freely available from the public domain concerning the Shinwatra clan and the Red shirts.

You really are a sad brain washed delusional character more to be pitied that taken note of.

Still you do certainly provide a vast amount of merriment and mirth among us with your tragic comical post.

All that spinning you do must result in the most traumatic effects with vertigo for you.

Comprehension of the English Language is a wonderful thing. You ought to try it some time.

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