Investigation report of rice scheme is expected to be with NACC next week

[Lite Beer]

Investigation report of rice scheme is expected to be with NACC next week

BANGKOK: -- An initial investigation report about alleged corruption in the rice pledging scheme implicating some members of the dissolved cabinet of former prime minister Yingluck Shinawatra is expected to be submitted to the National Anti-Corruption Commission next week.

NACC secretary-general Sansern Poljiak said today (Friday) that four witnesses had been questioned by the probe panel as part of the investigation into alleged corruption in the rice scheme and if the NACC felt that the evidences collected were not strong enough further investigation would be conducted.

Meanwhile NACC deputy secretary-general Witthaya Arkhompitak said that there was no law which would empower the anti-graft watchdog to investigate into the assets of General Prayuth Chan-ocha, head of the National Council for Peace and Order.

However, he pointed out that the general was required by law to declare his assets to the NACC because he was a senior military officer.

Source: http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/investigation-report-rice-scheme-expected-nacc-next-week/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=investigation-report-rice-scheme-expected-nacc-next-week

-- Thai PBS 2014-06-06

[Skywalker69]

Guess some people starting to getting nervous.

[Stradavarius37]

Some? Lmao

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[seabass69]

We don't mention 'Rice Scheme' in our house lest our 2 year old son chucks a hissy fit until someone goes to 7 Eleven and gets him a Magnum.

[thumper101]

We don't mention 'Rice Scheme' in our house lest our 2 year old son chucks a hissy fit until someone goes to 7 Eleven and gets him a Magnum.

Is that a 357 Magnum?

Didn't know you could get those from 7/11.... thought the police only handed tho9se out to Thaksin supporters.

[Thai at Heart]

Well. This I want to see. I wonder if it really implicates or is in the realms of "a load of money got spent so they must have nicked some."

I cannot believe there is NOTHING from anyone in the public domain being said. Why are there no whistleblowers?

[surangw]

are they sure they were given enough time to destroy/fabricate records ?

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Well. This I want to see. I wonder if it really implicates or is in the realms of "a load of money got spent so they must have nicked some."

I cannot believe there is NOTHING from anyone in the public domain being said. Why are there no whistleblowers?

There is one whistleblower - Khun Supa from the Finance Ministry, she got moved along very quickly and she is now an NACC commissioner.

Adapt from her, how many people would be brave enough to stand up to the pt / udd machine?

Unfortunately close to zero.

[WilliamCave]

I think there could be many whistle blowers , and they are keeping it under raps so others dont get to them .

would be the smart thing to do

[Thai at Heart]

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Well. This I want to see. I wonder if it really implicates or is in the realms of "a load of money got spent so they must have nicked some."

I cannot believe there is NOTHING from anyone in the public domain being said. Why are there no whistleblowers?

There is one whistleblower - Khun Supa from the Finance Ministry, she got moved along very quickly and she is now an NACC commissioner.

Adapt from her, how many people would be brave enough to stand up to the pt / udd machine?

Unfortunately close to zero.

I will wait to see it. Supas politics are plain to see. Let's wait and see.

I want them to get a bloke from a warehouse to admit they logged 1mn tons into storage that never existed or was counted twice.

They need something that big.

[Thai at Heart]

I think there could be many whistle blowers , and they are keeping it under raps so others dont get to them .

would be the smart thing to do

Twaddle. Thais can't keep a secret. Someone should be blabbing like a baby. But as yet nope.

[Robby nz]

I think there could be many whistle blowers , and they are keeping it under raps so others dont get to them .

would be the smart thing to do

Twaddle. Thais can't keep a secret. Someone should be blabbing like a baby. But as yet nope.

Another 'all Thais are silly comment'

How do you know no ones talked, are you part of the investigating team ?

We wait for the report.

[Thai at Heart]

I think there could be many whistle blowers , and they are keeping it under raps so others dont get to them .

would be the smart thing to do

Twaddle. Thais can't keep a secret. Someone should be blabbing like a baby. But as yet nope.

Another 'all Thais are silly comment'

How do you know no ones talked, are you part of the investigating team ?

We wait for the report.

No, you honestly believe there isn't on anti govt person sitting in a rice firm who wouldn't know and tell his or her story ?

There are 10s of thousands of people in this story who should know something. And the press can't find one?

Literally 10s of thousands of people who won't speak up? Not one warehouseman in the whole country? Not one accountant up country who will speak up?

They find people who shoot people in days in Thailand. The entire local community of govt, bankers and local govt wouldn't happen to know that politicians stole bazillion?

And no, the vast majority of Thais are horrendous gossips.

Edited June 6, 2014 by Thai at Heart

[Robby nz]

I think there could be many whistle blowers , and they are keeping it under raps so others dont get to them .

would be the smart thing to do

Twaddle. Thais can't keep a secret. Someone should be blabbing like a baby. But as yet nope.

Another 'all Thais are silly comment'

How do you know no ones talked, are you part of the investigating team ?

We wait for the report.

No, you honestly believe there isn't on anti govt person sitting in a rice firm who wouldn't know and tell his or her story ?

There are 10s of thousands of people in this story who should know something. And the press can't find one?

Literally 10s of thousands of people who won't speak up? Not one warehouseman in the whole country? Not one accountant up country who will speak up?

They find people who shoot people in days in Thailand. The entire local community of govt, bankers and local govt wouldn't happen to know that politicians stole bazillion?

And no, the vast majority of Thais are horrendous gossips.

Who said anything about the press ?

It is the NACC who will be finding these people and could it possibly be that the ones who are talking are doing so in confidence.

Even though some of the heads are removed there will still be fear of reprisals, there are hundreds of billions involved here, people have been killed for a lot less.

A good example are the weapons finds, someone is talking but nowhere do we see it said who it is.

Your post would appear to suggest that you think that because no one has come out publicly and told on anyone else that there is no corruption in the rice scheme, would that be correct ?

[chainarong]

Right from the beginning this stunk , so the question remains to be said who was involved , to what extent and how much disappeared , nothing short of convictions would suit anybody that is a Thai watcher , anything less would be another white washed verdict and its business as usual under the new government.

[Stradavarius37]

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I think there could be many whistle blowers , and they are keeping it under raps so others dont get to them .


would be the smart thing to do

Twaddle. Thais can't keep a secret. Someone should be blabbing like a baby. But as yet nope.

Another 'all Thais are silly comment'

How do you know no ones talked, are you part of the investigating team ?

We wait for the report.

No, you honestly believe there isn't on anti govt person sitting in a rice firm who wouldn't know and tell his or her story ?

There are 10s of thousands of people in this story who should know something. And the press can't find one?

Literally 10s of thousands of people who won't speak up? Not one warehouseman in the whole country? Not one accountant up country who will speak up?

They find people who shoot people in days in Thailand. The entire local community of govt, bankers and local govt wouldn't happen to know that politicians stole bazillion?

And no, the vast majority of Thais are horrendous gossips.

You think it WASN'T corrupt? You realize how foolish that makes you look right?

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I think there could be many whistle blowers , and they are keeping it under raps so others dont get to them .

would be the smart thing to do

Well yes, but two more points:

- There may well be a tipping point (an event / a comment / a time relationship / a law) where more people / a lot more people suddenly gain the confidence to speak out. When. ?

- Corruption very often entangles lots of people. And experts / old hands at corruption know well how to deliberately entangle others. There will undoubtedly be folks who are entangled in a major way or a minor way who may be now wanting to speak out, but they don't because they have become entrapped, and speaking out lands them in the pxx also. This can have many faces, some simple examples:

- Government officials who are required (because of the authority invested in the position they are assigned to) pushed / intimidated to sign off various documents and knowing full well that there are 'dirty dealings' involved, with strong concerns that if they don't sign off they will lose their job / family could be harassed, etc.

- Government official who receives an envelope from a person never seen before wearing dark glasses, very limited words spoken, government official says nothing. Now entrapped, sometimes with non identified phone call 'we have a video of you accepting an envelope last week....'

- The university lecturer who answers the door bell to find a stranger at his/her front door. Stranger says 'my daughter is in your class, here's your new MB'.

Lecturer unsure what to do next: just be polite and accept the keys / refuse with concern that there will be some form of punishment for not accepting the bribe.

And many more entanglement games.

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I think there could be many whistle blowers , and they are keeping it under raps so others dont get to them .


would be the smart thing to do

Twaddle. Thais can't keep a secret. Someone should be blabbing like a baby. But as yet nope.

Another 'all Thais are silly comment'

How do you know no ones talked, are you part of the investigating team ?

We wait for the report.

No, you honestly believe there isn't on anti govt person sitting in a rice firm who wouldn't know and tell his or her story ?

There are 10s of thousands of people in this story who should know something. And the press can't find one?

Literally 10s of thousands of people who won't speak up? Not one warehouseman in the whole country? Not one accountant up country who will speak up?

They find people who shoot people in days in Thailand. The entire local community of govt, bankers and local govt wouldn't happen to know that politicians stole bazillion?

And no, the vast majority of Thais are horrendous gossips.

There is no such thing as investigative journalist in this country. There's a similarity here to the various activists who have spoken out (environmental activists, Muslim lawyer, and many more) who quickly disappeared and never seen again, and in every one of these cases (and there are many) the police have made zero progress.

Local warehouseman - will never speak up for fear of violence and for fear that his/her family will be punished: children stopped from going to school, family harassed / ostracized by the local red propaganda machine, etc.

Edited June 7, 2014 by scorecard

[Artisi]

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I think there could be many whistle blowers , and they are keeping it under raps so others dont get to them .

would be the smart thing to do

Twaddle. Thais can't keep a secret. Someone should be blabbing like a baby. But as yet nope.

Another 'all Thais are silly comment'

How do you know no ones talked, are you part of the investigating team ?

We wait for the report.

No, you honestly believe there isn't on anti govt person sitting in a rice firm who wouldn't know and tell his or her story ?

There are 10s of thousands of people in this story who should know something. And the press can't find one?

Literally 10s of thousands of people who won't speak up? Not one warehouseman in the whole country? Not one accountant up country who will speak up?

They find people who shoot people in days in Thailand. The entire local community of govt, bankers and local govt wouldn't happen to know that politicians stole bazillion?

And no, the vast majority of Thais are horrendous gossips.

There is no such thing as investigative journalist in this country. There's a similarity here to the various activists who have spoken out (environmental activists, Muslim lawyer, and many more) who quickly disappeared and never seen again, and in every one of these cases (and there are many) the police have made zero progress.

Local warehouseman - will never speak up for fear of violence and for fear that his/her family will be punished: children stopped from going to school, family harassed / ostracized by the local red propaganda machine, etc.

Or worse retribution for opening your mouth.

[Chris Lawrence]

We don't mention 'Rice Scheme' in our house lest our 2 year old son chucks a hissy fit until someone goes to 7 Eleven and gets him a Magnum.

Is that a 357 Magnum?

Didn't know you could get those from 7/11.... thought the police only handed tho9se out to Thaksin supporters.

[kurnell]

Are you allowed to wear Gucci's in gaol?

[lomatopo]

However, he pointed out that the general was required by law to declare his assets to the NACC because he was a senior military officer.

Yeah, let us know how that works out.

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Well. This I want to see. I wonder if it really implicates or is in the realms of "a load of money got spent so they must have nicked some."

I cannot believe there is NOTHING from anyone in the public domain being said. Why are there no whistleblowers?

There is one whistleblower - Khun Supa from the Finance Ministry, she got moved along very quickly and she is now an NACC commissioner.

Adapt from her, how many people would be brave enough to stand up to the pt / udd machine?

Unfortunately close to zero.

I will wait to see it. Supas politics are plain to see. Let's wait and see.

I want them to get a bloke from a warehouse to admit they logged 1mn tons into storage that never existed or was counted twice.

They need something that big.

Why do you say Khun Supa's politics are plain to see. Some possibilities are:

- She spoke up, maybe she's just a professional sincere person who couldn't allow herself to be quiet any longer.

- Because she spoke up, therefore she is absolutely anti red shirt. If that's true, well she's entitled to her opinion about what flavor of politics she likes. Or is it that anti red people are therefore bad people and should not be listened to and perhaps even silenced?

- Or perhaps (in some peoples minds) red followers are good people if they don't speak up when they see evidence of dirty dealings. Good people - good for the development of Thailand (and for the enrichment of a select few - the members of the get very rich very quickly club - club owned, managed, directed by a person abroad).

- Bottom line - she revealed some dirty dealings - in essence the theft of the common wealth of all Thais.. For that she absolutely should be applauded, regardless of her personal political beliefs.

[rickirs]

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I think there could be many whistle blowers , and they are keeping it under raps so others dont get to them .


would be the smart thing to do

Twaddle. Thais can't keep a secret. Someone should be blabbing like a baby. But as yet nope.

Another 'all Thais are silly comment'

How do you know no ones talked, are you part of the investigating team ?

We wait for the report.

No, you honestly believe there isn't on anti govt person sitting in a rice firm who wouldn't know and tell his or her story ?

There are 10s of thousands of people in this story who should know something. And the press can't find one?

Literally 10s of thousands of people who won't speak up? Not one warehouseman in the whole country? Not one accountant up country who will speak up?

They find people who shoot people in days in Thailand. The entire local community of govt, bankers and local govt wouldn't happen to know that politicians stole bazillion?

And no, the vast majority of Thais are horrendous gossips.

The alleged theft of millions of tons of rice does beg the question for where and what the proof is?

The alleged corruption would nescesitate a large foreign conspiracy led by high-level government officials for a foreign state like North Korea or China, assuming the rice was exported. There would also have to be a substantial domestic conspiracy to hide the loading, transport, and trans-shipment of the rice either for export or for domestic buyers like a major grocery chain and/or nongovernmental or NGO parties. There would also have to be a conspiracy among other international rice providers who would no doubt discover the loss of customer demand due to mysterious, covert rice sales not moving through traditional marketplaces. With the movement of large sums of money in payment for the rice, there should be one or more banks involved in the conspiracy as well. So literally hundreds of people and governments would be necessary to conspire to successfully hide such unauthorized sales, documented by a bounty of paper documents, electronic mail, and ledgers.

So I look forward to see NACC's evidence should it determine that there was beyond a shadow of doubt that the Yingluck administration is guilty of corruption regarding the rice program. It should be able to produce a dozen or more of witnesses and a mound of documents to demonstrate its decision.

[Bakseeda]

We don't mention 'Rice Scheme' in our house lest our 2 year old son chucks a hissy fit until someone goes to 7 Eleven and gets him a Magnum.

Why would you give a 2year old a gun..?

[Bakseeda]

We don't mention 'Rice Scheme' in our house lest our 2 year old son chucks a hissy fit until someone goes to 7 Eleven and gets him a Magnum.

Why would you give a 2year old a gun..?

[Thai at Heart]

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I think there could be many whistle blowers , and they are keeping it under raps so others dont get to them .

would be the smart thing to do

Twaddle. Thais can't keep a secret. Someone should be blabbing like a baby. But as yet nope.

Another 'all Thais are silly comment'

How do you know no ones talked, are you part of the investigating team ?

We wait for the report.

No, you honestly believe there isn't on anti govt person sitting in a rice firm who wouldn't know and tell his or her story ?

There are 10s of thousands of people in this story who should know something. And the press can't find one?

Literally 10s of thousands of people who won't speak up? Not one warehouseman in the whole country? Not one accountant up country who will speak up?

They find people who shoot people in days in Thailand. The entire local community of govt, bankers and local govt wouldn't happen to know that politicians stole bazillion?

And no, the vast majority of Thais are horrendous gossips.

You think it WASN'T corrupt? You realize how foolish that makes you look right?

Have you ever worked in agribusiness?

Every agribusiness purchasing system the world over has opportunity for a con. The scales might be duff for gods sake.

That doesn't mean that the head of the government 1000 miles away is involved. To make this work so that the boss can cream billions off personally needs a.massive conspiracy, and I mean massive.

Treasury, agriculture ministry, excise ministries all the way down to the guy with the key at the warehouse have to be in on it. Then everyone not in on it, has to have the IQ of a knat because if you have 5 buildings with 1mn tons inside you have to then have a paper claiming it has 10mn inside.

So, no, until it is proven I am holding my mouth shut because to have done this needs the complicit assistance of hundreds. A bit like when they counted how many acres of olives were grown in Italy and it was more than all the arable land in the country.

When the numbers get really big in agri business frauds tend to jump off the page.

[Thai at Heart]

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I think there could be many whistle blowers , and they are keeping it under raps so others dont get to them .

would be the smart thing to do

Twaddle. Thais can't keep a secret. Someone should be blabbing like a baby. But as yet nope.

Another 'all Thais are silly comment'

How do you know no ones talked, are you part of the investigating team ?

We wait for the report.

No, you honestly believe there isn't on anti govt person sitting in a rice firm who wouldn't know and tell his or her story ?

There are 10s of thousands of people in this story who should know something. And the press can't find one?

Literally 10s of thousands of people who won't speak up? Not one warehouseman in the whole country? Not one accountant up country who will speak up?

They find people who shoot people in days in Thailand. The entire local community of govt, bankers and local govt wouldn't happen to know that politicians stole bazillion?

And no, the vast majority of Thais are horrendous gossips.

You think it WASN'T corrupt? You realize how foolish that makes you look right?

Have you ever worked in agribusiness?

Every agribusiness purchasing system the world over has opportunity for a con. The scales might be duff for gods sake.

That doesn't mean that the head of the government 1000 miles away is involved. To make this work so that the boss can cream billions off personally needs a.massive conspiracy, and I mean massive.

Treasury, agriculture ministry, excise ministries all the way down to the guy with the key at the warehouse have to be in on it. Then everyone not in on it, has to have the IQ of a knat because if you have 5 buildings with 1mn tons inside you have to then have a paper claiming it has 10mn inside.

So, no, until it is proven I am holding my mouth shut because to have done this needs the complicit assistance of hundreds. A bit like when they counted how many acres of olives were grown in Italy and it was more than all the arable land in the country. Then beyond that, where did it go into the bank? How does one bank hundreds of billionsn of BAHT and no one notices?

When the numbers get really big in agri business frauds tend to jump off the page.

[Artisi]

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I think there could be many whistle blowers , and they are keeping it under raps so others dont get to them .

would be the smart thing to do

Twaddle. Thais can't keep a secret. Someone should be blabbing like a baby. But as yet nope.

Another 'all Thais are silly comment'

How do you know no ones talked, are you part of the investigating team ?

We wait for the report.

No, you honestly believe there isn't on anti govt person sitting in a rice firm who wouldn't know and tell his or her story ?

There are 10s of thousands of people in this story who should know something. And the press can't find one?

Literally 10s of thousands of people who won't speak up? Not one warehouseman in the whole country? Not one accountant up country who will speak up?

They find people who shoot people in days in Thailand. The entire local community of govt, bankers and local govt wouldn't happen to know that politicians stole bazillion?

And no, the vast majority of Thais are horrendous gossips.

The alleged theft of millions of tons of rice does beg the question for where and what the proof is?

The alleged corruption would nescesitate a large foreign conspiracy led by high-level government officials for a foreign state like North Korea or China, assuming the rice was exported. There would also have to be a substantial domestic conspiracy to hide the loading, transport, and trans-shipment of the rice either for export or for domestic buyers like a major grocery chain and/or nongovernmental or NGO parties. There would also have to be a conspiracy among other international rice providers who would no doubt discover the loss of customer demand due to mysterious, covert rice sales not moving through traditional marketplaces. With the movement of large sums of money in payment for the rice, there should be one or more banks involved in the conspiracy as well. So literally hundreds of people and governments would be necessary to conspire to successfully hide such unauthorized sales, documented by a bounty of paper documents, electronic mail, and ledgers.

So I look forward to see NACC's evidence should it determine that there was beyond a shadow of doubt that the Yingluck administration is guilty of corruption regarding the rice program. It should be able to produce a dozen or more of witnesses and a mound of documents to demonstrate its decision.

It is probably rice that was never there in the first place, phantom deliveries, recorded as delivered with paperwork issued for eventual claim. Guess you have heard of dodgy invoices, issued daily for all types of transactions.

[Thai at Heart]

Indeed, the non existent rice is the quickest.

But what to do with this supposedly gargantuan number that numpties on here say came in from Cambodia? Ah yes, that was quantified at a couple of hundred thousand tons. In 30mn that is piddling, barely worth worrying about.

So basically there will had to have been an inflated volume bought that ranks to the millions of tonnes. Possible, but as I said, that needs to complicit assistance of hundreds if not thousands of people to all keep their mouth shut at once.

Maybe a completely shill company was added to the ledger. Issue receipts, get paid. Once again that need the assistance of many. Forget a dozen witnesses.

They should be able and have to produce hundreds.

Edited June 7, 2014 by Thai at Heart