Popular Post webfact Posted June 13, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted June 13, 2014 Prayuth supports double-track projectThe NationBANGKOK: -- National Council for Peace and Order Gen Prayuth Chan-ocha said Friday that he supports the double-track railway project while indicating his opposition to the high-speed train project.He said the construction of a double-track railway would facilitate both goods and passengers transportation.But he added he did not believe that any firm or country would build a high-speed train project in Thialand for free."It's been said that the electric [high-speed] train lines would be built for free. I would like to ask if there is anything free in this world," said Prayuth during a budget meeting that was broadcast live."You should ask yourselves whether you can accept a 50-year concession that would see more than 100,000 workers being brought to the country and the constructor insisting on land along the route for development."The Pheu Thai government, which proposed a high-speed train project, claimed that China would build it for Thailand free of charge.-- The Nation 2014-06-13 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doctorproc156 Posted June 13, 2014 Share Posted June 13, 2014 So this sort of suggests that the dual tracked lines won't be electrified and they will continue to run diesel train services. This is exactly why we can't have military generals who have no idea what they are talking about from running the country.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Searat7 Posted June 13, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted June 13, 2014 A good double track train system with some new equipment would be a huge improvement over what they have now.... I can't see who would pay to build a Japanese like bullet train here Sent from my iPad using Thaivisa Connect Thailand 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JesseFrank Posted June 13, 2014 Share Posted June 13, 2014 So this sort of suggests that the dual tracked lines won't be electrified and they will continue to run diesel train services. This is exactly why we can't have military generals who have no idea what they are talking about from running the country.... Don't be so depressed, they have it in Birma for many years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DrTuner Posted June 13, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted June 13, 2014 Good to see Prayuth isn't puckering up to the old motherland. Unlike the former rulers who's genes hail from there. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrTuner Posted June 13, 2014 Share Posted June 13, 2014 Apropos trains in ASEAN ... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post marcusd Posted June 13, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted June 13, 2014 So this sort of suggests that the dual tracked lines won't be electrified and they will continue to run diesel train services. This is exactly why we can't have military generals who have no idea what they are talking about from running the country....your comments show why you are here retired and not an employer. My country has one of the best long distance goods and passenger services in the world. DIESEL TRAINS. Prayuth is stopping Chinese takeover 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcusd Posted June 13, 2014 Share Posted June 13, 2014 Ps that country is Australia is you know how to spell it 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JRSoul Posted June 13, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted June 13, 2014 So this sort of suggests that the dual tracked lines won't be electrified and they will continue to run diesel train services. This is exactly why we can't have military generals who have no idea what they are talking about from running the country.... Double tracking precludes later electrification???? Why? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lomatopo Posted June 13, 2014 Share Posted June 13, 2014 Good to see Prayuth isn't puckering up to the old motherland. Unlike the former rulers who's genes hail from there. Believe the "Chan" in the name is indicative of Chinese heritage/ancestry? Not that it should make any difference, I think both Thaksin Shinawatra and Abhisit Vejjajiva are both ethnic Han. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just1Voice Posted June 13, 2014 Share Posted June 13, 2014 So this sort of suggests that the dual tracked lines won't be electrified and they will continue to run diesel train services. This is exactly why we can't have military generals who have no idea what they are talking about from running the country....your comments show why you are here retired and not an employer. My country has one of the best long distance goods and passenger services in the world. DIESEL TRAINS. Prayuth is stopping Chinese takeover Is that why, at 40kph they keep derailing and falling off the tracks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thait Spot Posted June 13, 2014 Share Posted June 13, 2014 I would have though that replacing single tracks with double would be a good step in upgrading the rail network. There may well be other factors - such as which guage to use and what rolling stock is the future....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doctorproc156 Posted June 13, 2014 Share Posted June 13, 2014 (edited) So this sort of suggests that the dual tracked lines won't be electrified and they will continue to run diesel train services. This is exactly why we can't have military generals who have no idea what they are talking about from running the country....your comments show why you are here retired and not an employer. My country has one of the best long distance goods and passenger services in the world. DIESEL TRAINS. Prayuth is stopping Chinese takeover No, electrified trains provide much faster acceleration and deceleration due to the fact that power lines can provide a lot more power to the electric motors compared to a diesel electric system, and allow for much smaller headway between different services operating on the same line as well as allowing for much greater speeds (meter gauge electrified lines can run trains up to 160 km/h which is more than enough for Thailand right now). And what does this have anything to do with a Chinese takeover? I'm talking about electrified meter gauge lines like what they have just done in Malaysia, not high speed rail. Australia is far less dense than Thailand so it is not economically viable to electrify the majority of its lines. But it does have about 2500 KM worth of electrified train lines in the densely populated South-Eastern regions. Please read more about railway electrification and its advantages and where it is viable to be implemented. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Railway_electrification_system#Advantages Edited June 13, 2014 by anantha92 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post wealth Posted June 13, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted June 13, 2014 good call. Why high speed trains when neighbouring countries are too not developed? It's economically and practically not feasible, while the double track projects benefits all ... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRSoul Posted June 13, 2014 Share Posted June 13, 2014 So this sort of suggests that the dual tracked lines won't be electrified and they will continue to run diesel train services. This is exactly why we can't have military generals who have no idea what they are talking about from running the country....your comments show why you are here retired and not an employer. My country has one of the best long distance goods and passenger services in the world. DIESEL TRAINS. Prayuth is stopping Chinese takeover No, electrified trains provide much faster acceleration and deceleration due to the fact that power lines can provide a lot more power to the electric motors compared to a diesel electric system, and allow for much smaller headway between different services operating on the same line as well as allowing for much greater speeds (meter gauge electrified lines can run trains up to 160 km/h which is more than enough for Thailand right now). And what does this have anything to do with a Chinese takeover? I'm talking about electrified meter gauge lines like what they have just done in Malaysia, not high speed rail. Australia is far less dense than Thailand so it is not economically viable to electrify the majority of its lines. But it does have about 2500 KM worth of electrified train lines in the densely populated South-Eastern regions. Please read more about railway electrification and its advantages and where it is viable to be implemented. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Railway_electrification_system#Advantages What does this strawman argument have to do with double tracking? Why does double tracking preclude future electrification? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doctorproc156 Posted June 13, 2014 Share Posted June 13, 2014 So this sort of suggests that the dual tracked lines won't be electrified and they will continue to run diesel train services. This is exactly why we can't have military generals who have no idea what they are talking about from running the country....your comments show why you are here retired and not an employer. My country has one of the best long distance goods and passenger services in the world. DIESEL TRAINS. Prayuth is stopping Chinese takeover No, electrified trains provide much faster acceleration and deceleration due to the fact that power lines can provide a lot more power to the electric motors compared to a diesel electric system, and allow for much smaller headway between different services operating on the same line as well as allowing for much greater speeds (meter gauge electrified lines can run trains up to 160 km/h which is more than enough for Thailand right now). And what does this have anything to do with a Chinese takeover? I'm talking about electrified meter gauge lines like what they have just done in Malaysia, not high speed rail. Australia is far less dense than Thailand so it is not economically viable to electrify the majority of its lines. But it does have about 2500 KM worth of electrified train lines in the densely populated South-Eastern regions. Please read more about railway electrification and its advantages and where it is viable to be implemented. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Railway_electrification_system#Advantages What does this strawman argument have to do with double tracking? Why does double tracking preclude future electrification? There is a loss of opportunity here if it isn't done in 1 go, Thailand will lose its competitive edge compared to countries like Malaysia which have already completed their electrification of their systems. Malaysia did the dual tracking and electrification in 1 go and it has been extremely successful for them. This is a mid step and a compromise between high speed rail and a basic dual track train system. Seriously have you seen how slow things are done here, if you are going to wait for the entire double tracking to be done and then wait for the electrification and wait for the electric rolling stock later then countries like Vietnam will swallow Thailand's competitive edge of which it is already seriously lacking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricardo Posted June 13, 2014 Share Posted June 13, 2014 "The Pheu Thai government, which proposed a high-speed train project, claimed that China would build it for Thailand free of charge." I don't recall that bit, surely the Chinese were willing to build their High-speed freight-line China-Singapore-via-Thailand, but then PTP decided it should be a passenger-network serving anywhere there were voters, and that Thailand should borrow 50-year loans to pay for it ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRSoul Posted June 13, 2014 Share Posted June 13, 2014 What does this strawman argument have to do with double tracking? Why does double tracking preclude future electrification? There is a loss of opportunity here if it isn't done in 1 go, Thailand will lose its competitive edge compared to countries like Malaysia which have already completed their electrification of their systems. Malaysia did the dual tracking and electrification in 1 go and it has been extremely successful for them. This is a mid step and a compromise between high speed rail and a basic dual track train system. Seriously have you seen how slow things are done here, if you are going to wait for the entire double tracking to be done and then wait for the electrification and wait for the electric rolling stock later then countries like Vietnam will swallow Thailand's competitive edge of which it is already seriously lacking. So the General should borrow a huge amount (say B2.2 trillion?) to do everything at once, and hope that his grandchildren won't mind the debt burden? Where have I heard that tripe before? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GinBoy2 Posted June 13, 2014 Share Posted June 13, 2014 This is even more of a waste of money than building HSR. Dual tracking the existing 3ft 3in gauge is almost worthless. You cant run heavy freight and certainly nothing that approaches relatively high speed passenger services. So what exactly is the point? Unless they want to rip up the existing track and replace it with good quality standard gauge track, you'd actually be better off wasting money on HSR...at least that would actually be capable of doing what is supposed to do! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chainarong Posted June 13, 2014 Share Posted June 13, 2014 <script type='text/javascript'>window.mod_pagespeed_start = Number(new Date());</script> So this sort of suggests that the dual tracked lines won't be electrified and they will continue to run diesel train services. This is exactly why we can't have military generals who have no idea what they are talking about from running the country.... Not necessary, you can have narrow gage electric trains, however, if ever the time was right to change to standard gage , where the goods can carry a heavier/longer load is now , it would be remiss of Thailand to stay with narrow gage and not come up to 2014, the advantages far out way the disadvantages , in the future, as you can keep adding on with standard gage 5Klm trains , narrow gage you are restricted in length, 72.wagons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doctorproc156 Posted June 13, 2014 Share Posted June 13, 2014 What does this strawman argument have to do with double tracking? Why does double tracking preclude future electrification? There is a loss of opportunity here if it isn't done in 1 go, Thailand will lose its competitive edge compared to countries like Malaysia which have already completed their electrification of their systems. Malaysia did the dual tracking and electrification in 1 go and it has been extremely successful for them. This is a mid step and a compromise between high speed rail and a basic dual track train system. Seriously have you seen how slow things are done here, if you are going to wait for the entire double tracking to be done and then wait for the electrification and wait for the electric rolling stock later then countries like Vietnam will swallow Thailand's competitive edge of which it is already seriously lacking. So the General should borrow a huge amount (say B2.2 trillion?) to do everything at once, and hope that his grandchildren won't mind the debt burden? Where have I heard that tripe before? Well he just approved a 3 trillion baht plan so.... And it won't cos anywhere near as much as a a true high speed rail system. To be honest I don't understand how his plan excluding the high speed rail system costs 800 billion more than PTPs proposition even including the airport upgrades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhunBENQ Posted June 13, 2014 Share Posted June 13, 2014 (edited) Apropos trains in ASEAN ... Nice fake / photoshop Of course these highspeed trains in Cambodia, Burma, Indonesia, Laos and Malaysia (from upper left) do not exist. In reality the pictures are from Germany, Russia, Japan, China, France. An "original" picture shows an oldish USA train in the lower right. Replaced by the Thai train in this photoshop. Laos has basically no train system at all e.g. Edited June 13, 2014 by KhunBENQ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Cyclist Posted June 13, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted June 13, 2014 "You should ask yourselves whether you can accept a 50-year concession that would see more than 100,000 workers being brought to the country and the constructor insisting on land along the route for development." I suspect this is the real reason. Whenever China does big infrastructure projects in other countries like Laos, Cambodia, Myanmar and even African countries they bring in Chinese laborers. Often times these laborers don't return to China and stay put whether they have a visa or not. The General is right to be concerned. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cuchulainn Posted June 13, 2014 Share Posted June 13, 2014 .......The Pheu Thai government, which proposed a high-speed train project, claimed that China would build it for Thailand free of charge.......... and they'd pocket the money, of course. Typical PTP. Corrupt and arrogant to the core. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lungmi Posted June 13, 2014 Share Posted June 13, 2014 (edited) Believe the "Chan" in the name is indicative of Chinese heritage/ancestry? Not that it should make any difference, I think both Thaksin Shinawatra and Abhisit Vejjajiva are both ethnic Han. They are ethnic Han but cultural Hakka, no Mandarin speakers but Hakka language. Thailand has some different group of Sino-Thais. 1. The old chinese group of Siam (Taksin of TAK was a Chinese King of Thailand), short time. 2. The Mandarin group in the North, most Kuomintang refugees after their defeat in China. 3. The Hakka Chinese (read "letters from Thailand" by Botan) as refugees by the sea. 4. The"sea gypsies" in Phuket area are an other group of chinese refugees the last centuries. Edited June 13, 2014 by lungmi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubl Posted June 13, 2014 Share Posted June 13, 2014 (edited) So this sort of suggests that the dual tracked lines won't be electrified and they will continue to run diesel train services. This is exactly why we can't have military generals who have no idea what they are talking about from running the country.... You think the OP suggests and therefor you state "that's why we can't have ..." Now just for a moment imagine that dual-tracking doesn't implicitly nor explicitly mean 'no electrification' Edited June 13, 2014 by rubl 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thumper101 Posted June 13, 2014 Share Posted June 13, 2014 So this sort of suggests that the dual tracked lines won't be electrified and they will continue to run diesel train services. This is exactly why we can't have military generals who have no idea what they are talking about from running the country.... What the hell are you talking about? He was saying he didn't back 'high speed' electric projects. Nothing said about they were staying diesel... In fact in the last report he actually said they are backing 10 electric lines. So your argument is based on nothing more than your terrible ability to read and understand basic English. Prayuth is doing an amazing job and I would love to see him as a PM on a permanent basis.... he is getting things done at lightening speed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belg Posted June 13, 2014 Share Posted June 13, 2014 a train that does not derail every other week would be a good start maybe some education for the drivers & maintenance? why 100.000 foreign workers , thais to good to build ? why not the army, while they are not at war with anybody, for the benefit of the country... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ginjag Posted June 13, 2014 Share Posted June 13, 2014 So this sort of suggests that the dual tracked lines won't be electrified and they will continue to run diesel train services. This is exactly why we can't have military generals who have no idea what they are talking about from running the country.... Hey stop knocking the guy --walk before you can run is what the guy is saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outre99 Posted June 13, 2014 Share Posted June 13, 2014 So this sort of suggests that the dual tracked lines won't be electrified and they will continue to run diesel train services. This is exactly why we can't have military generals who have no idea what they are talking about from running the country.... Yes, because all of the recent civilian governments paid so much attention to the rail network and did such a great job of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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