70 alleged prostitutes rounded up in Pattaya

[Jingthing]

Round up the johns as well? This isn't a one way street you know.

Oh no you di'int!

[BigC]

Hmmm, 70 "alleged" prostitutes ? So they what, cleaned up the first 7 meters of Walking Street ? And 7 minutes after they left, those 7 meters were probably filled by 70 other "alleged" prostitutes. If they are "allegedly" prostitutes, do they have to pay "alleged" fines for "alleged" offenses they may (or may not) have "allegedly" committed ? And were those 7 Madagascan women really Madagascan (and women) or is it only "alleged" that they were one, the other, or both ?

(Note: Neither the number 7 no the word "alleged" were harmed (irreparably) in the typing of this post.)

Could some pay fine in hotel???

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[HerbalEd]

It still makes me chuckle that prostitution is illegal in Thailand...

Just make it legal already and make them start paying tax... Imagine the revenue!... ££££££££

Excellent idea.....because the girls will always disclose their full income to the tax authorities, right?

You do, right?

[Basil B]

Round up the johns as well? This isn't a one way street you know.

What is actually wrong if both are consenting adults?

Assuming both are:

• of legal age.
• sound in mind
• not subject to any coercion

[gchurch259]

It still makes me chuckle that prostitution is illegal in Thailand...

Just make it legal already and make them start paying tax... Imagine the revenue!... ££££££££

Making prostitution legal and make them pay taxes only benefit the tax department.

Asking tea money to keep them out of jail makes more benefit to the people who are actually arresting them and need a day of paperwork.

70 x 1,000 = 70,000 Baht in one day.

And release them as soon as possible so that the they can arrest them again the next day.

70 X 1,500 (Short Time) = 105,000 loss revenue for Pattaya, less money to send up country for Grandmother to keep the kids !!

[mrfaroukh]

Yes they charge them 100 Baht each and will be released, so you will see them again the next day.

[ScotBkk]

It still makes me chuckle that prostitution is illegal in Thailand...

Just make it legal already and make them start paying tax... Imagine the revenue!... ££££££££

Excellent idea.....because the girls will always disclose their full income to the tax authorities, right?

Sure they will and will hand back the wallets they found in your pockets - Little Angels lol !!!

[ScotBkk]

It still makes me chuckle that prostitution is illegal in Thailand...

Just make it legal already and make them start paying tax... Imagine the revenue!... ££££££££

Excellent idea.....because the girls will always disclose their full income to the tax authorities, right?

Sure they will NOT and will hand back the wallets they found in your pocket after you wake up in the morning after their special cocktail drinks they made especially for YOU lol !!!

Edited June 27, 2014 by ScotBkk

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[captspectre]

wait until it moves to the bars

70 alleged prostitues? what hapened to the other six thousand and thirty?

[TomYumpoochai]

It still makes me chuckle that prostitution is illegal in Thailand...

Just make it legal already and make them start paying tax... Imagine the revenue!... ££££££££

Excellent idea.....because the girls will always disclose their full income to the tax authorities, right?

nah, they'll add it to the barfine. i will require a full reciept with vat when that happens.......so i can claim a refund on the way out

[spidermike007]

It still makes me chuckle that prostitution is illegal in Thailand...

Just make it legal already and make them start paying tax... Imagine the revenue!... ££££££££

You got pretty close to the heart of the matter. Why are they not arresting "prostitutes" in the bars? Because the bars pay money to the police? Because they have licenses? So, they are essentially legal pimps, right? They are focusing on the "civilians" on walking street or the boardwalk. They are sort of helpless. They have no one to stand up for them. It is a false show of something. Who knows what? It means nothing, to anybody, except the poor girls getting harassed.

[Basil B]

It still makes me chuckle that prostitution is illegal in Thailand...

Just make it legal already and make them start paying tax... Imagine the revenue!... ££££££££

You got pretty close to the heart of the matter. Why are they not arresting "prostitutes" in the bars? Because the bars pay money to the police? Because they have licenses? So, they are essentially legal pimps, right? They are focusing on the "civilians" on walking street or the boardwalk. They are sort of helpless. They have no one to stand up for them. It is a false show of something. Who knows what? It means nothing, to anybody, except the poor girls getting harassed.

I think this was not a crack down on prostitution but more on undesirables...

The ratio of real ladies to fake even on Walking St is very disproportionate to those picked up the other night, they went for the lady boy and none Thai's.

[spidermike007]

It still makes me chuckle that prostitution is illegal in Thailand...

Just make it legal already and make them start paying tax... Imagine the revenue!... ££££££££

You got pretty close to the heart of the matter. Why are they not arresting "prostitutes" in the bars? Because the bars pay money to the police? Because they have licenses? So, they are essentially legal pimps, right? They are focusing on the "civilians" on walking street or the boardwalk. They are sort of helpless. They have no one to stand up for them. It is a false show of something. Who knows what? It means nothing, to anybody, except the poor girls getting harassed.

I think this was not a crack down on prostitution but more on undesirables...

The ratio of real ladies to fake even on Walking St is very disproportionate to those picked up the other night, they went for the lady boy and none Thai's.

That is a good thing. Would it be safe to say a good percentage of Pattaya ladyboys are scheming and looking to trick their tricks into more than they bargained for? And I am not referring to their anatomy.

Spidermike007

[Eloelo]

If prostitution is illegal in Thailand and he wants to protect tourists from getting robbed, the bars and gogos will soon be empty, hotels will soon not allow overnighters. if I were a lady of the night they may soon find themselves on the wanted list along with thieves and drug dealers I hope they have started building more prisons and as for the customers good luck boys! engaging in illegal activities .

[Malthus101]

"Police said the crackdown would continue to protect tourists from being deceived and robbed."

Yes, because most tourists in Pattaya are not there for the prostitutes.

[smotherb]

It still makes me chuckle that prostitution is illegal in Thailand...

Just make it legal already and make them start paying tax... Imagine the revenue!... ££££££££

Excellent idea.....because the girls will always disclose their full income to the tax authorities, right?

The businesses which offer prostitutes could more easily be taxed. Once the businesses are registered, the prostitutes could be required to be licensed and undergo health checks to be certified STD-free. However, the johns would still have to make sure the licenses and health certificates were up to date--that is, if they can still read after the drinking, and their other head hasn't taken over better judgement.

[smotherb]

Don't those foreign hookers know that prostitution is a "protected Thai Only" job?

Yeah, not even a falang would buy a foreign prostitute a house here.

[brewsterbudgen]

It still makes me chuckle that prostitution is illegal in Thailand...

Just make it legal already and make them start paying tax... Imagine the revenue!... ££££££££

You got pretty close to the heart of the matter. Why are they not arresting "prostitutes" in the bars? Because the bars pay money to the police? Because they have licenses? So, they are essentially legal pimps, right? They are focusing on the "civilians" on walking street or the boardwalk. They are sort of helpless. They have no one to stand up for them. It is a false show of something. Who knows what? It means nothing, to anybody, except the poor girls getting harassed.

Soliciting in public, particularly if done "promiscuously" is illegal. Dancing or working in bars where barfines are payable is not illegal. Paying a consenting adult for sexual favours in private is very unlikely to be committing any offence.

[chiang mai]

"Police said the crackdown would continue to protect tourists from being deceived and robbed."

Yes, because most tourists in Pattaya are not there for the prostitutes.

I'm curious, why do you think they are there?

[rebelplatoon]

Good on em'. But how is this possible? It was always illegal and there was a "fact finding mission" a while ago and they found there was no prostitution??!

[belg]

hope they had a valip WP (whore permit = 1000 baht if caught)

[Porkster]

Hmmmm? Number 10...

Somebody hasn't been to Thailand....

[Lokie]

Wont be long till they are doing the same on Bangle Rd in Phuket.

Bangle Rd, Phuket? Wheres that then?? I thought I'd been to most of the places Phuket has to offer,.. is it anything like Bangla Rd???

That would be better if they got shut of all the Touts for Ping Pong shows, Russian Girl dance shows, and other Hawkers... Constant mither and having to dodge these cretins to go about your business... Hookers can line up the edge of the rd anytime, at least they are not in your bloody way!

[simple1]

It still makes me chuckle that prostitution is illegal in Thailand...

Just make it legal already and make them start paying tax... Imagine the revenue!... ££££££££

Making prostitution legal and make them pay taxes only benefit the tax department.

Asking tea money to keep them out of jail makes more benefit to the people who are actually arresting them and need a day of paperwork.

70 x 1,000 = 70,000 Baht in one day.

And release them as soon as possible so that the they can arrest them again the next day.

The sweeps of Beach Road occur every 4 / 6 weeks and very time it's reported on TV with all the same comments. The fine is 100 baht, details recorded and then released and the cycle continues. Unless outstanding arrest warrant no prison, tea money etc

Edited June 28, 2014 by simple1

[wealth]

Almost 400 ago ...

-- The Nation

History's wanton women The journal of a 17th-century Austrian merchant offers a lopsided view of Siam's lewd ladies

Published on July 23, 2007

There are few things that raise Thai hackles more than hearing their beloved country branded by foreigners as a sex paradise.

Yet this reputation does not date back, as one might imagine, to the Vietnam War, when American serviceman flooded into Bangkok and Pattaya for rest and recreation and the sex trade thrived.

In fact, the image can be traced back to the 17th century when junk merchants regularly passed through the kingdom. Christoph Carl Fernberger von Egenberg, for example, described Siamese women as "excessively lewd".

"They are always approaching the men and urging them to go with them into their houses and have sex with them," he wrote in his diary, which was discovered in 1972.

Fernberger arrived in the harbour of Ayutthaya in November 1624 during the reign of King Songtham. He was 26 at the time. His accounts of his travels in the region, which include Siam and Pattani, are almost unknown to foreign scholars but many Austrian historians believe Fernberger was the first of their countrymen to set foot in the two Southeast Asian harbour cities.

The first Austrian in Ayutthaya was impressed by the wealth of the kingdom and the wise rule of the Siamese king as well as his "open door policy" and strict law enforcement, says associate professor Helmut Lukas who recently talked about Fernberger's diary at a Siam Society lecture organised in cooperation with Chulalongkorn University's Centre for European Studies.

Lukas, however, doesn't agree with Fernberger's perspective of the women in Ayutthaya.

"Like any big port, Ayutthaya had a well-established prostitution ring catering to foreign seamen. But it would be wrong to assume that their behaviour was indicative of Thai women of that era," says Lukas, an academic with the Social Anthropology Research Unit, Centre for Studies in Asian Cultures, Austrian Academy of Science.

As an independent observer with no obligations to a trading company, Fernberger's diary may offer an alternative perspective to the often one-sided Dutch sources, the Austrian anthropologist adds.

"But his pages on the women in Ayutthaya were based on his impressions of a very limited area, which he wrongly extrapolated to the entire country," Lukas points out.

Unfortunately, many Dutch merchants held similar views of the woman they took as their "wives" in Ayutthaya, according to professor Barbara Watsan Andaya, author of the paper "From Temporary Wife to Prostitute: Sexuality and Economic Change in Early Modern Southeast Asia" published in the Journal of Women's History in 1998.

"VOC employees in Ayutthaya even referred to their 'wives' as whores, sluts and trollops and the like," writes the professor of History and Asian Studies at the University of Hawaii.

While researching her paper, Andaya discovered that other than several works covering prostitution, no historical investigation has been carried out into the changing attitudes toward sexuality in Southeast Asia, despite the fact that the "high status" of women is often cited as characteristic of the region.

Siamese women in the 17th century are also mentioned in the diary of French ambassador Simon de La Loub�re, who arrived in Ayutthaya some 30 years after Fernberger.

The ambassador writes in his memoirs about a brothel in the capital of Ayutthaya, which was home to some 600 women from different levels of society, including the daughters and wives of the court's noblemen.

La Loub�re, who was in Siam during the reign of King Narai, also relates how prostitution tax, collected from those with permission to run brothels, was first imposed in this reign and that the largest brothel was run by one of the king's noblemen.

Prostitution in the port city of Pattani is also mentioned in the journals of several 17th-century foreign traders

The Dutch merchant Van Neck, who arrived in Pattani in the early 1600s, describes the women at the harbour and their services.

"When foreigners come from other lands to do their business�men come and ask them whether they desire a woman. The young women and girls also come and present themselves, from whom they may choose the one most agreeable to them, provided they agree what he shall pay for certain months. Once they agree about the money (which does not amount to much for so great a convenience), she comes to his house, and serves him by day as his maidservant and by night as his wedded wife."

For his part, the foreign trader had to agree not to consort with other women while the temporary wife was similarly forbidden to converse with other men. The "marriage" was deemed to last for as long as the man kept up his residence, "in good peace and unity".

Fernberger, who arrived in Pattani in December 1624, wasn't interested in hooking up with a woman at the harbour. His attention was on the female ruler with whom he had been granted an audience.

Pattani was under the rule of Raja Ungu, the third of four successive queens to take the throne. Fernberger describes her as an absolutist ruler who did not listen to any council.

In his diary he describes the royal entourage of 200 women. As a sign of royal power, she kept about 50 elephants and possessed some 50 men who she used for her sexual pleasure.

Lukas says the women of Pattani, and especially the queen, enjoyed many liberties.

"This proves that being a Muslim doesn't mean being "macho" or a misogynist. The gender equality in the old Pattani kingdom sets an example for modern times," he says.

But some of Fernberger's accounts about the queen are much less credible.

Lukas smiles as he recounts Fernberger's reason for leaving Pattani.

He writes that after being granted an audience with Raja Ungu, she provided him with a house and 10 slaves. He later helped her fight the Siam invasion in January 1625 in which Pattani won the battle. The young Austrian describes how the queen expressed her gratitude by sending him a present and passing on a message that she would visit him at night.

"Fernberger says a Malay colonel gave him to understand that the queen intended to make love with him. As he'd heard that men who had failed to meet her high expectations were ordered to be killed, Fernberger clandestinely sneaked down to the shore, boarded a small sailboat and went back to Ayutthaya. His stay in Pattani lasted 71 days," says the professor, laughing.

Subhatra Bhumiprabhas

[Basil B]

Well Genghis Khan pre dates the 17th century

I think Telly Savalas enjoyed himself.

[mrwebb8825]

It still makes me chuckle that prostitution is illegal in Thailand...

Just make it legal already and make them start paying tax... Imagine the revenue!... ££££££££

Imagine the "Proof of Skills" for getting a work permit for non-Thais