Thai Facebook users suggest death penalty in cases of rape and murder

[DrTuner]

Nah. Just let convicted rapists have their way with the new perp as punishment. Good ol' eye for eye.

[tomyummer]

Put the death penalty out there as a definite requirement for heinous crimes and see whether the crime rates go down. Use Singapore as an example. You know the consequences of your actions. Preventive measures.

[Ve37]

Don't worry, he will loose his appetite for sex, after a week or 2, being in prison.

Testosterone does not lose its appetite,...one must lose the source of testosterone. Castration should also be extended to all forms of sexual abuse,...just think how "happy" Thailand would be with a near 100% reduction in spousal abuse.

[Morch]

So, we all know there are from time to time miscarriage of justice.

So do we execute those who testified against the executed person, the judge who passed the sentence, the executioner?

Are not those who advocate executions indirectly murderers themselves?

Not at all- they are just expressing their views on what penalty they think " fits the crime." I think where the evidence can scientifically prove beyond reasonable doubt that the accused is " guilty " of such a crime ( as this type of crime - ( not a speeding ticket ) ) then the argument should surely be based around why they should be allowed to continue to live and breath the fresh air that we breath !

Because even in such convictions, based on the best science can come up with, there's room for error, and room for

manipulation.

And because this is Thailand we're talking about, land of GT 200's....

I have said " beyond reasonable doubt " - that should be enough. Come on pal - get off the fence with this - this is about a young girl who has been raped and murdered.....I can't see any fence with this case- you either think it's ok , or you don't. Why should the murderer continue to live ?

I tell you this, if it was my child ( I'm not a keyboard warrior- just passionate ) - I would seek the perps death sentence until my own last breath !

Because as I said, even cases which were decided on solid evidence and guilt was "beyond reasonable doubt", are not 100%

proof as such. And "oops..." just doesn't cut it. Beyond reasonable doubt is good enough for sending people to prison.

And no, your moral assertion that not supporting death penalty equates with thinking such crimes are ok, is just plain wrong.

This is not about condoning crimes, this is about not taking chances with human lives. Lets say the guy goes on death row,

executed and a couple years later turns out it was another bloke? Or that police mixed up evidence? Or that evidence were

misinterpreted? Or that police needed the case solved real quick? I'm not saying this happened here, as I do not know - but

this stuff does happen from time to time.

I would understand a father seeking death penalty for someone who murdered his child. Not sure I would condone it if he took

the law into his hands, but would could be hard pressed to condemn it as well. If it is a question of which law I would support,

then still, a "No" to death penalty.

[Basil B]

I have said " beyond reasonable doubt " - that should be enough. Come on pal - get off the fence with this - this is about a young girl who has been raped and murdered.....I can't see any fence with this case- you either think it's ok , or you don't. Why should the murderer continue to live ?

I tell you this, if it was my child ( I'm not a keyboard warrior- just passionate ) - I would seek the perps death sentence until my own last breath !

Beyond "reasonable doubt" as juries are instructed, but still innocent people went to the gallows.

• In 1660, in a series of events known as the Campden Wonder, an Englishman named William Harrison disappeared after going on a walk, near the village of Charingworth, in Gloucestershire. Some of his clothing was found slashed and bloody on the side of a local road. Police interrogated Harrison’s servant, John Perry, who eventually confessed that his mother and his brother had killed Harrison for money. Perry, his mother, and his brother were hanged. Two years later, Harrison reappeared, telling the incredibly unlikely tale that he had been abducted by three horsemen and sold into slavery in Ottoman Empire. Though his tale was implausible, he indubitably had not been murdered by the Perry family.
• Timothy Evans was tried and executed in 1950 for the murder of his baby daughter Geraldine. An official inquiry conducted 16 years later determined that it was Evans's fellow tenant, serial killer John Reginald Halliday Christie, who was responsible for the murder. Christie also admitted to the murder of Evans's wife, as well as five other women and his own wife. Christie may have murdered other women, judging by evidence found in his possession at the time of his arrest, but it was never pursued by the police. Evans was posthumously pardoned in 1966. The case had prompted the abolition of capital punishment in the UK in 1965.
• Mahmood Hussein Mattan was executed in 1952 for the murder of Lily Volpert. In 1998 the Court of Appeal decided that the original case was, in the words of Lord Justice Rose, "demonstrably flawed". The family were awarded £725,000 compensation, to be shared equally among Mattan's wife and three children. The compensation was the first award to a family for a person wrongfully hanged.
• Derek Bentley was a mentally challenged young man who was executed in 1953. He was convicted of the murder of a police officer during an attempted robbery, despite the facts that it was his accomplice who fired the gun and that Bentley was already under arrest at the time of the shooting. The accomplice who actually fired the fatal shot could not be executed due to his young age.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wrongful_execution

Just thinking of other people who may have gone to the gallows had not the death penalty been repealed in 1965, the Guildford four and the Birmingham six, I am not saying they were not guilty but the evidence did cast doubt on there convictions and there are many more such cases.

[brewsterbudgen]

Good post above. Should be required reading for anyone supporting the death penalty.

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[Beetlejuice]

I am against death penalty.

Nobody has the right to take another humans life.

But, in cases like that I would be happy to see this scum going to prison for the rest of his life.

Especially to a Thai prison.

Depends.

I believe in the death penalty for the mad dogs of human society but also, perhaps spending a whole lifetime in a Thai stink-hole prison could be considered as a fate worst than death?

I know if I was given the options of either doing a life sentence here or being put down, I am sure I would choose the death penalty as a mercy killing.

So whether or not in Thailand it be a death sentence for rape and murder or even just murder or a life sentence is really up for debate and a matter or opinion.

Some are always going to be in favour of the death penalty and others will always be against it, I don`t think there are any rights or wrongs to this question.

[Traveler19491]

The problem with the death penalty is three fold: First, it is about revenge, not justice. Second, it is final, no appeal, and the risk of executing an innocent person has been adequately demonstrated in my home country of the US, where over 200 innocent people have been released from death row after being found to be not guilty, and third, it relieves the guilty of their torment. The guilty will serve the rest of their lives without hope of ever seeing the outside world again. Timothy McVey, the Oklahoma City bomber, WANTED to be executed, because he did not want to spend the rest of his life in prison. Spending one's life in a hell hole, unable to procure any form of relief, is a far, far worse punishment than death. Death ends their torment. Way too good for this kind of scum. Makes us feel good, but makes them feel relief. I'll pay the taxes, just for the knowledge that they are in misery.

[IMA_FARANG]

No, death is to good for him.

Now if I were the judge, and I could legally do it, ...... I would first castrate him.

So he could not satisfy his "sexual urges", shall we say.

Then he would be locked up in solitary confinement for life.

And every day, at least 12 hours hardcore porno would be played for him which he would be forced to watch.t

Which he couldn't respond to, having been castrated.

Now that would be "appropriate punishment".

[kurtgruen]

Kill 'em all - Let God sort 'em out! Too many bleeding hearts out there. Get rid of the scum. Why should society be at risk again, from the same person? Why should the tax payer have to feed them for the next 5 years to life?

[englishoak]

You have to allow for false imprisonment, appeals and new evidence... immediate death penalty is a mistake and will at some point kill an innocent.

Rather this kind of thing carry a sentence of 20 years after which time, should there be no doubt then the death penalty can be carried out.

There is a few reasons for this.

1 appeals and wrongful arrest etc would over 20 years be ample opportunity.

2 these people should pay with loss of freedom and ponder their crimes first, immediate execution is too good and final.

3 Knowing they will be put to death only after serving 20 years in a Thai prison would be appropriate punishment,

No chance of a pardon, 20 years of incarceration and finally only execution to look forward to.would be I think a good compromise.

As for paying for these people for 20 years and feeding them, no problem.I do not see why they need to be put out of their misery before they have had an extended taste of prison with only death to look forward to

[Krataiboy]

Emotion is a bad basis for good law. While public outrage at the dreadful death of this girl is understandable, cool heads are needed before turning to institutional violence in the form of the death penalty as a remedy. Most civilised countries have abandoned capital punishment for number of good reasons - not least because the death penalty inevitably results in some innocent lives being taken and its deterrent value is unproven.

In any event, Thailand already has capital punishment for what is called "aggravated" rape (which would presumably apply in the case of this abused and murdered girl), as the following extract from WickiPedia makes clear.

Aggravated Murder.
Committing murder “by employing torture or acts of cruelty.” [1] Murder of an ascendant, murder of an official, or murder of those who assist officials. [2] The murder or attempted murder of a foreign head of state that has good relations with Thailand. [3] Murder “for the purpose of securing the benefit obtained through any other offence or of concealing any other offence or of escaping punishment for any other offence committed by him.” [4] Rape of a woman or a girl under the age of 15, if it results in death. [5] Acts of indecency against minors resulting in death of the victim, [6] and slavery or human trafficking in and out of Thailand resulting in death of the victim. [7] Kidnapping, detainment, or forced confinement that results in death of the victim. [8]Murder for pecuniary gain. [9] Simple Murder (Not Including Felony Murder)

Thailand is not tardy in using the ultimate deterrent. In 2012, the latest year for which figures are available figures, there were over 100 prisoners on death row (including a number convicted of drug trafficking for which the death penalty is also available). However, having the ultimate punishment for some kinds of rape and murder as well as drug offences seems to have little effect on curbing the incidence of these crimes.

Reported sexual assaults in Thailand run at around 80 a day and the murder rate is five times that of the UK, with a similar-size population and no death penalty. Drug abuse and trafficking has become increasingly widespread in Thailand despite the lethal sanctions and an ongoing "war on drugs" which has claimed the lives of thousands of alleged drug traffickers and addicts and which is still being vigorously pursued under the new military regime.

The high incidence of murder, rape and other crimes of sex in Thailand are clearly a reflection and symptom of the macho Thai culture, which does little to discourage violent behavior and is blatantly discriminatory and sexist in regard to women. The casual attitude towards sexual crimes on the part of the forces of law and order is legendary and actual rape and sexual abuse figures are believed to be many times higher than the reported number. The latest list of rapists includes, at one end of the scale, a boy of ten implicated in a gang rape, and, at the other a man of 85, with rape victims ranging from infants to geriatrics.

If this latest horrific rape case has a message it is surely one which goes beyond the natural desire of an outraged public to exact revenge and retribution. Now is the time for an increasingly lawless, misogynistic and violent society to take a long, cool look at itself and ask how it can change for the better. We know the generals, unlike some previous administrations, are prepared to listen.

[joecoolfrog]

I felt sick reading about the rape and murder of that poor child and would have no moral objection to the murderer being put to death in a slow and hideous fashion...but !

The death penalty does not work , its not a deterrent and there have simply been far too many miscarriages of justice over the years.

Lock the animals away and throw away the key , make every day a living hell , but you gotta keep the option open of redressing an incorrect verdict.

[dieter1]

to all from the

hang him high brigade:

As far as I remember,(sorry I forgot the source), there is a research, where about 20 % did show sexual reaction when looking ad naked children !!

(no, not paedophil man, just "normal" people)

This explains a lot. I think, many of these totally aggressive reaction (I mean the reaction of the "hang him high" brigade!) could be, because these people feel sexual stimulated, by children, or, at least, they are in fear, that they could have these reaction.

For me, people of this "hang him high, torture him, castrate him etc. brigade" are dangerous people. They tend to have very aggressive reactions, brutal reactions with low control of their destructive emotions.

I would not trust these people to care for my children!

Typically, these people were raised in societies with a high number of cruel crimes (homicides ...)

[Andre0720]

I am against death penalty.

Nobody has the right to take another humans life.

But, in cases like that I would be happy to see this scum going to prison for the rest of his life.

Especially to a Thai prison.

I am also against the death penalty..

But do not let that get in the way of putting this individual to death...

[rhythmworx]

Really can't argue with it. I'm sick of hearing how these monsters deserve "human rights" etc, etc when they take away the lives of young children. Incarceration of this type of scum is a burden on society.

I totally agree with you mrtoad but what happens when someone pulls that card on an innocent tourist?

Edit: or is forced to pull that card by a family member/boyfriend.

[webfact]

SOCIAL MEDIA
Rape-and-murder convicts must face death: netizens
The Nation

Amid furore over the grisly fate of 13-year-old on a train, pressure mounts on SRT governor to resign

BANGKOK: -- CONCERNED NETIZENS have called for mandatory death sentence for rape-and-murder crimes, in an angry and swift reaction to the tragic rape and murder on Sunday night of a 13-year-old victim by a State Railway of Thailand employee on a moving train.

Administrators and members of many Facebook pages have launched campaigns to rally public support for the legal-amendment drive, while similar attempts were under way on the online petition service www.change.org even before Sunday's tragedy.

A Facebook account with more than 6,000 members has arranged a public gathering in front of Siam Paragon shopping mall in downtown Bangkok at 11am on Saturday. Attendees have been urged to dress in black in memory of the victim, an unnamed eighth-grade student identified by the nickname of Kaem, who studied at a Nonthaburi school.

The campaign site www.change.org had drawn more than 21,000 signatures out of a total of 50,000 required to push for a legal amendment after a rape-and-murder case in Bangkok last year. Some other activities on Change.org include campaigns to ensure that producers of television series do not play up scripts about sexual offences against females in their shows, and stricter supervision in this area by the broadcast regulator.

The reaction on social media and a public rally are a rare swift response in Thailand over a sexual crime. The response is comparable to the uproar in India last year over the gang rape of a woman on a bus, who was later thrown off the moving vehicle.

Apart from seeking mandatory execution of rape-and-murder convicts, the campaigners also called on the judicial authorities not to pardon or commute prison terms of convicted sexual offenders.

The Criminal Code sentences rapists to jail terms from four to 20 years in general cases of rape, while aggravated offences in which the rape victim is killed on purpose or where death is caused through violent sex acts are punishable by death. The campaigners, however, want rape-and-murder convicts to face the death penalty without exception.

A number of female celebrities posted messages on their social-media sites offering their condolences to the victim and her family while joining awareness campaigns and the drive for legal amendment.

Former Miss Thailand Panadda Wongphudee issued a statement calling on sympathisers to supply photocopies of their identity cards to push for the amendment to increase penalties for convicted sex offenders.

The Women and Men Progressive Movement Foundation demanded that SRT governor Prapat Chongsanguan take responsibility and resign. Director Chadet Chaowilai said the crime was not acceptable and would cause great concern among Thai and foreign passengers.

The StopDrink organisation said the sale of alcohol on the trains was deemed one of the reasons behind nuisances, quarrels, accidents and sexual violations that affected general passengers, citing a survey it conducted late last year on 1,160 respondents. A large majority of the respondents backed a ban on alcohol consumption on trains and the sale of liquor at train stations, said Theera Watcharapranee.

Child-rights activist Wallop Tangkhananurak voiced his support for heavier penalties. He also opposed pardon or reduced prison sentences for convicted sex offenders on auspicious occasions. He said the SRT could give no excuses for such an incident and in other countries senior officials would have handed in their resignations.

The National Council for Peace and Order has assigned military and police units to take care of security measures on trains. NCPO spokesman Colonel Winthai Suvari said that although yesterday's meeting did not discuss the murder in particular, the junta leadership expressed concern over the issue.

Source: http://www.nationmultimedia.com/national/Rape-and-murder-convicts-must-face-death-netizens-30238074.html


-- The Nation 2014-07-09

[submaniac]

Death penalty is too lenient. I support tying up the murderer alive covered in honey next to an ant hill.

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[simple1]

I guess it is actually about enforcing/executing the death penalty. To my knowledge the death penalty has not been abolished and can still be handed out. "Only" that there has been no execution for a long time. But a reasonable number of inmates on death row.

In such a case it is hard to argue against.

I believe I am correct that carrying out the death penalty has been suspended since 2009. A review will be undertaken next year on whether to abolish the death sentence in Thailand or not.

Thailand, one of 21 countries where capital punishment is still in use. Currently, 706 Thais are under sentence of death. The link to the content is not permitted as it's another forum.

[brewsterbudgen]

I guess it is actually about enforcing/executing the death penalty. To my knowledge the death penalty has not been abolished and can still be handed out. "Only" that there has been no execution for a long time. But a reasonable number of inmates on death row.

In such a case it is hard to argue against.

I believe I am correct that carrying out the death penalty has been suspended since 2009. A review will be undertaken next year on whether to abolish the death sentence in Thailand or not.

Thailand, one of 21 countries where capital punishment is still in use. Currently, 706 Thais are under sentence of death. The link to the content is not permitted as it's another forum.

And long may it remain suspended.

[Albertosez]

I have said " beyond reasonable doubt " - that should be enough. Come on pal - get off the fence with this - this is about a young girl who has been raped and murdered.....I can't see any fence with this case- you either think it's ok , or you don't. Why should the murderer continue to live ?

I tell you this, if it was my child ( I'm not a keyboard warrior- just passionate ) - I would seek the perps death sentence until my own last breath !

Beyond "reasonable doubt" as juries are instructed, but still innocent people went to the gallows.

• In 1660, in a series of events known as the Campden Wonder, an Englishman named William Harrison disappeared after going on a walk, near the village of Charingworth, in Gloucestershire. Some of his clothing was found slashed and bloody on the side of a local road. Police interrogated Harrisons servant, John Perry, who eventually confessed that his mother and his brother had killed Harrison for money. Perry, his mother, and his brother were hanged. Two years later, Harrison reappeared, telling the incredibly unlikely tale that he had been abducted by three horsemen and sold into slavery in Ottoman Empire. Though his tale was implausible, he indubitably had not been murdered by the Perry family.

• Timothy Evans was tried and executed in 1950 for the murder of his baby daughter Geraldine. An official inquiry conducted 16 years later determined that it was Evans's fellow tenant, serial killer John Reginald Halliday Christie, who was responsible for the murder. Christie also admitted to the murder of Evans's wife, as well as five other women and his own wife. Christie may have murdered other women, judging by evidence found in his possession at the time of his arrest, but it was never pursued by the police. Evans was posthumously pardoned in 1966. The case had prompted the abolition of capital punishment in the UK in 1965.
• Mahmood Hussein Mattan was executed in 1952 for the murder of Lily Volpert. In 1998 the Court of Appeal decided that the original case was, in the words of Lord Justice Rose, "demonstrably flawed". The family were awarded £725,000 compensation, to be shared equally among Mattan's wife and three children. The compensation was the first award to a family for a person wrongfully hanged.
• Derek Bentley was a mentally challenged young man who was executed in 1953. He was convicted of the murder of a police officer during an attempted robbery, despite the facts that it was his accomplice who fired the gun and that Bentley was already under arrest at the time of the shooting. The accomplice who actually fired the fatal shot could not be executed due to his young age.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wrongful_execution

Just thinking of other people who may have gone to the gallows had not the death penalty been repealed in 1965, the Guildford four and the Birmingham six, I am not saying they were not guilty but the evidence did cast doubt on there convictions and there are many more such cases.

Yeah- but the science and reliability of DNA evidence in year 2014 is massively difference. I will say it one more time ( only ) ; " beyond reasonable doubt " with the support of DNA evidence is enough for me- and yes, I'm still for the death penalty in such cases of the rape and murder of children. I'm not for the death sentence for lessee crimes ( and I would need to think where I would draw the line ), but 100% for this one !

[Albertosez]

Let's not get too emotional here and start mixing apples and oranges together !!

The death penalty is one thing - and I would support that, but banning alcohol on long journeys - I think that's just a knee jerk reaction and hopefully common sense will prevail !!

( before someone reports me ( again) - just a bit of black humor to break the tone of this thread ).

[spidermike007]

If there are multiple eyewitnesses, and if there is scientific evidence to support it, when a rape and murder has been committed, I think the death penalty is totally justifiable. I have had many debates with my liberal friends about this over the years. I just think there are certain acts that you commit, and once you commit them you have revoked your right to breathe oxygen. I do think breathing oxygen is a gift, and to do something that heinous is simply stepping over the line. So, no sympathy here. A man has to have some twisted wiring to think it is ok to rape a woman, under any circumstances. But a 13 year old girl? And then to kill her? To just dump her out the window like a piece of garbage? What about her family? Was there no consideration for anything or anybody?

[Kabula]

I suggest castration and shove him off a moving train!

The next time he is detained for violence, perhaps considering boiling him in hot oil, beheading, or catapult him into a brick wall!

Seriously, we know we have lost many of our younger generation from abandonment, one or both parents. Little hope for the future thinking. Joining gangs for protection. Lack of quality education and good mentors.

The biggest problem being chemical warfare, including legal and illegal drugs, pesticides, environmental chemicals, GMO, toxic vaccines, contaminated water, and many more. Over time, toxic chemicals affect the neurotransmitters in the brain which affect younger people more than adults. A very sad and grim situation.

In most cases a child in poverty, who remains close to the family, is unable to escape poverty. It is easy to understand with all of the above why a young male would have anger and control issues when many females by necessity are forced to chase the money he does not have.

[marsstar14]

Raping and murdering an innocent child is a heinous crime. The young girl was tossed out of the train like a piece of garbage after she was raped twice. She had a bright future ahead of her and that was destroyed by some low-life scum who happened to be high on drugs.

Speaking of the death penalty, it surely has been a topic of constant debate. Evidently, there has been a lot of argument on this thread. Proponents claim that it is a totally appropriate sentence to punish the wrongdoer and it should be done to set an example so that others don't follow suit. However, there are opponents who state about the possibility that a person might be wrongfully convicted.

From a moral standpoint, I feel that execution is a totally appropriate punishment to fit the crime. However, I am also concerned about possible repercussions that will follow. Enforcing the death penalty may also increase the tendency for other rapists to kill their victim immediately after committing rape in order to prevent the victim from giving testimony to the police and eventually identifying the killer.

Although I mentioned both the positives and negatives of the death penalty, I must say I support it in this case. The Thai justice system has long been a cruel joke against people who commit such atrocious acts. There are several rapists in Thailand who get sentenced to jail, only to be released a couple of years later and commit the same rape cases against other women. Unless something is done about this, there will always be cases like this happening in the future.

Posted below is also an attachment of the killer's identity (the one sitting at the bottom). Look at the expression on his face. He doesn't seem to show any remorse for his actions. Do you think people like him deserve a second chance in the society? Absolutely not. As for the opponents of the death penalty, I am also eager to see whether you would change your mind to support it if one of your sons or daughters was brutally raped and murdered.

[Nemesis7]

I'm not a legal expert, but the story made me sad. Nothing can justify the rape of a minor and throwing her from a moving train.

Such heinous crime must not ever take place no matter where. And if it did than there should not be any mercy shown to the rappist who should face the same consequence and thus death penalty justifies at least in my opinion

[brewsterbudgen]

I'm not a legal expert, but the story made me sad. Nothing can justify the rape of a minor and throwing her from a moving train.

Such heinous crime must not ever take place no matter where. And if it did than there should not be any mercy shown to the rappist who should face the same consequence and thus death penalty justifies at least in my opinion

Yes, death to rappers!

[Mudcrab]

I suggest castration and shove him off a moving train!

The next time he is detained for violence, perhaps considering boiling him in hot oil, beheading, or catapult him into a brick wall!

Seriously, we know we have lost many of our younger generation from abandonment, one or both parents. Little hope for the future thinking. Joining gangs for protection. Lack of quality education and good mentors.

The biggest problem being chemical warfare, including legal and illegal drugs, pesticides, environmental chemicals, GMO, toxic vaccines, contaminated water, and many more. Over time, toxic chemicals affect the neurotransmitters in the brain which affect younger people more than adults. A very sad and grim situation.

In most cases a child in poverty, who remains close to the family, is unable to escape poverty. It is easy to understand with all of the above why a young male would have anger and control issues when many females by necessity are forced to chase the money he does not have.

Understatement of the century!!

Many millions of people are subject to the same environmental and social conditions this piece of scum was subjected to but don't go around raping and killing.

Stop making excuses for him!!

However do not blame any girl for being raped and murdered. Those ideas may still be prevalent in the middle east and India but not in the modern world.

[NeilSA1]

Let's not get too emotional here and start mixing apples and oranges together !!

The death penalty is one thing - and I would support that, but banning alcohol on long journeys - I think that's just a knee jerk reaction and hopefully common sense will prevail !!

( before someone reports me ( again) - just a bit of black humor to break the tone of this thread ).

"The suspect confessed that he was high on drugs "

The Junta is pursuing the drug dealers, yet more law enforcement. Well done. I hope the death penalty is not done away with.

My home country did away with the death sentence 20 years ago - "...A survey for the period 1998–2000 compiled by the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime ranked South Africa second for assault and murder (by all means) per capita and first for rapes per capita in a data set of 60 countries..." The crime has not reduced.

[GoNavy]

Really can't argue with it. I'm sick of hearing how these monsters deserve "human rights" etc, etc when they take away the lives of young children. Incarceration of this type of scum is a burden on society.

Whilst I'm all in favour of the death penalty in instances like this where there is no doubt about the identity of the perpetrator problems arise when it is left to the justice system to determine the guilt or otherwise of defendants. The system of law throughout the world nowadays seems to be a game between lawyers who appear only interested in making themselves rich and 'winning' their cases with little or no attention paid to actually achieving true justice.

I totally agree with your comment. I also am not so in favor of the death penalty because man does make mistakes. In the USA there are many who have been freed due to DNA results. And those were done only because some benevolent judge or even DA went for it. Governors have stopped executions in some US states.

IMO, spending life behind bars........not a soft prison, but like solitary confinement would be far worse then a quick execution. The cost is not all that much. Punishment should be that, and the state should be willing to pay for it. The building is maintained whether empty or one. Bulk food is not that expensive.