Citizenship by Decent Australia

[Shauno]

Hi All,

Going through the process of doing our Newborn Babies Citizenship by Decent.. and have hit a Snag.

The Form 118 Asks for 1x Photo ID for the Child and for his Passport Information.

He currently does not have a Passport and I am only over in Thailand for a week to get this Application in and Processing.

Does he need a Thai Passport to apply for Citizenship by Decent? and if not what can we use as Photo ID as he has no Photo ID.

Thai Passports can take up to 2 Weeks which would render this Trip Useless... which would not be good as I am straining my relationship with Work!

[Shauno]

He is only 14 Days Old.

We have already gathered the Doctor that he had for his Birth is the one that signs the Part D on the Form 118

But this Passport Issue is a Big Worry!

[secretariat]

You might want to check this out with the Australian Embassy in Thailand. I have been through this process myself (Australian Citizen by Descent) in Bangkok. The form says "A passport or other travel document, IF ANY".

Surely as he is only 14 days old this does not apply. And he can't get an Australian passport without the Citizen by Descent certificate.

For what it's worth, what I did late last year for my daughter was as follows -

Got Thai birth certificate translated to English

Applied for Citizenship by Descent with the basic information - passport sized photo (signed by doctor), birth certificate (Thai & English), etc at Australian Embassy

Returned to Australian Embassy a few days later to collect Citizenship by Descent document.

Took that Citizenship document & formally applied for my daughter's Australian passport (I was in Thailand for limited time myself, so got an emergency passport (7 month validity) within 2/3 working days)

Whilst this was happening, visited the Thai Consular to get my daughter's Thai passport

I got both my daughter's Thai & Australian passports around the same time, and they were processed totally independent of each other.

I recommend contacting the Australian Embassy in Bangkok & seeking clarification - I think you'll find the 'passport' requirement does not apply in your circumstances.

[samran]

Am a bit confused given when we did ours a few months ago I don't recall the need for what you describe.

Note the post above, make sure you have all translations of the birth certificate and anything else you need certified by the ministry if foreign affairs. This can take a few days so best get it done before you arrive.

By the way, thai passports take 3 days. Given you are here best you get one of those sorted too for bubs, as they require both parents to be present. Don't stress though, thai passports are a piece of cake.

Edited July 14, 2014 by samran

[David48]

He is only 14 Days Old.

We have already gathered the Doctor that he had for his Birth is the one that signs the Part D on the Form 118

But this Passport Issue is a Big Worry!

Firstly, no, your New Born does not need a Passport of any kind to apply for the Citizenship by Descent.

Remember, that form you refer to is a Universal document and is intended to cater for applicants of all ages.

Some of those applicants will be of mature age and indeed have a Passport.

No requirement as such for your Bub.

As for the Part D bit ... not necessarly does it have to be the birth Doctor.

What it does need is that authorised person who signs the back of the photo be the same person to complete that part of the form.

Just that it's usually easier for that to be the birth doctor.

Ours wasn't signed by the birthing doctor but by the Hospitials Paediatrician.

[scorecard]

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You might want to check this out with the Australian Embassy in Thailand. I have been through this process myself (Australian Citizen by Descent) in Bangkok. The form says "A passport or other travel document, IF ANY".

Surely as he is only 14 days old this does not apply. And he can't get an Australian passport without the Citizen by Descent certificate.

For what it's worth, what I did late last year for my daughter was as follows -

Got Thai birth certificate translated to English

Applied for Citizenship by Descent with the basic information - passport sized photo (signed by doctor), birth certificate (Thai & English), etc at Australian Embassy

Returned to Australian Embassy a few days later to collect Citizenship by Descent document.

Took that Citizenship document & formally applied for my daughter's Australian passport (I was in Thailand for limited time myself, so got an emergency passport (7 month validity) within 2/3 working days)

Whilst this was happening, visited the Thai Consular to get my daughter's Thai passport

I got both my daughter's Thai & Australian passports around the same time, and they were processed totally independent of each other.

I recommend contacting the Australian Embassy in Bangkok & seeking clarification - I think you'll find the 'passport' requirement does not apply in your circumstances.

I support the suggestion to visit the Australian Embassy on South Sathorn road to get a clear understanding of the steps etc.

Don't speak to the Thai staff, push (politely) to speak to one of the Australian officers. In my experience they know what they are talking about, they listen, they're friendly and you get clear answers.

Call first to check what days / what time that section is open.

Good luck.

Don't drive to the embassy, you cannot park on the embassy grounds and nearby parking is not good. Take a taxi.

[woody087]

We got my youngest daughter citizenship a few months ago,no need for passport,and we just got the local village doctor who knows my wife and daughter to sign photo.They more interested in your passport and birth certificate.

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