Huge amount of rice missing in Phichit

[WitawatWatawit]

^^^ Irrelevant. The privately owned warehouses were contracted to the govt, therefore the govt is responsible for overseeing them. The owners, either way, are still culpable. They're still liable to be hung, drawn and quartered and their bodies left for the crows to fight over.

[aussieinthailand]

Are all these warehouses "government" or privately owned?

If privately owned then surely any responsibility for discrepancies must lay with the warehouse owner?

If "government" owned the responsibility would surely lay with the warehouse managers and their superiors in the govt department responsible for warehousing rice?

Ahhh the voice of reason, exactly what I was saying, but the haters will continue to hate regardless.

It was the man in Dubai, and all the red's, and Yingluk, and anyone else I don't like, because uncle Suthep is coated in Teflon, nothing ever sticks, and he's the messiah don't you know.

Like I said the person in charge of what goes in and out is where you need to start people, then follow the money, and if it goes' to Mr. T then cool you can say I told you so.

[lostsoul49]

Are all these warehouses "government" or privately owned?

If privately owned then surely any responsibility for discrepancies must lay with the warehouse owner?

If "government" owned the responsibility would surely lay with the warehouse managers and their superiors in the govt department responsible for warehousing rice?

Nope.... The ultimate responsibility rests with those charged with

Putting the scam in place,

Ignoring warnings that widespread corruption was happening end to end. Even international concerns.

Policing the system.

Claiming all was checked and in order.

Claiming no loss of money when 500 Bn is actually still unaccounted for.

Faking G2G deals to bolster public support for the scheme.

Discrediting and removing whistle blowers working within the system.

This is just a few things that our red Thaksin child killer supporters love to totally ignore.

The list is actually a lot more extensive if other members who are not purely red shirt supporters would like to add to.

Of course the warehouse personnel and likely some farmer too should be singled out, and that is all going to happen. Also have all their assets seized and their extended family's wealth checked out and all found profiting to lose everything but their clothes and thrown into a dungeon for a very long time.

That may go some way to recoup a fraction of the money.

But ultimately, I would seize EVERY asset of the Shin clan and EVERY PTP government minister involved with this scheme and do the exact same to them.

The Shins must have massive investments worth billions, with their stake in Shin Corp, and all their other shares in Thai companies such as AIS, PTT etc etc must be seized and sold off to pay this money back.

If you can't nab them or allow them to escape justice... You MUST go and grab everything they have here in Thailand.

The people need that money back.

Edited July 20, 2014 by lostsoul49

[lostsoul49]

Are all these warehouses "government" or privately owned?

If privately owned then surely any responsibility for discrepancies must lay with the warehouse owner?

If "government" owned the responsibility would surely lay with the warehouse managers and their superiors in the govt department responsible for warehousing rice?

Ahhh the voice of reason, exactly what I was saying, but the haters will continue to hate regardless.

It was the man in Dubai, and all the red's, and Yingluk, and anyone else I don't like, because uncle Suthep is coated in Teflon, nothing ever sticks, and he's the messiah don't you know.

Like I said the person in charge of what goes in and out is where you need to start people, then follow the money, and if it goes' to Mr. T then cool you can say I told you so.

In a word...... Pathetic.

[bangkokheat]

i suggest there were a lot of little mice removing the grain, just cant figure out what happened to the empty bags

[Minaj82]

Hmmm, not bad only post #6 and post #13 to have Thaksin, Thaksin, Thaksin, Yingluk, you make me laugh,

AAAHHhhhhhh,,, Thaksin, did it ,Thaksin's guilty, Thaksin paid someone to take the rice, and it's on the moon with Elvis.

Hmmmm, not bad, only posts #16, #29, and #34 have the Thaksin/Yingluck defenders making deflecting posts.

The apologist herd is thinning out.

[wprime]

1. Thats a hell of a lot of rice to disappear

No it's not that much. It would only have taken about 47,000 pickup trucks(which trunk to bonnet would stretch from Phichit to somewhere near Songkla) to come and taken it away. Easily missed, perhaps the warehouse manager was having a little siesta?

Rubbish, it could be done with one pick up truck stacked 47km high.

[laolover88]

Bit like coal missing from Newcastle, then?

[GeckosDiving]

Hmmm, not bad only post #6 and post #13 to have Thaksin, Thaksin, Thaksin, Yingluk, you make me laugh,

AAAHHhhhhhh,,, Thaksin, did it ,Thaksin's guilty, Thaksin paid someone to take the rice, and it's on the moon with Elvis.

Hmmmm, not bad, only posts #16, #29, and #34 have the Thaksin/Yingluck defenders making deflecting posts.

The apologist herd is thinning out.

And only the real pathetic one's stick around.

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[ratcatcher]

Are all these warehouses "government" or privately owned?

If privately owned then surely any responsibility for discrepancies must lay with the warehouse owner?

If "government" owned the responsibility would surely lay with the warehouse managers and their superiors in the govt department responsible for warehousing rice?

"If "government" owned the responsibility would surely lay with the warehouse managers and their superiors in the govt department responsible for warehousing rice? "

Based on your analogy, the recent tragic rape and murder of a 13 year old on a train owned and operated by the State Railway of Thailand, the conductor, as the person in charge of the train would be culpable. OTOH as has been demonstrated, Prapas, the governor of SRT was relieved of his duties as he is ultimately responsible for the operation of everything to do with the railway.

Thus Yingluck, as the Prime Minister and head of the Rice Pledging Program, is ultimately responsible for the management of said program. She was warned of irregularities yet did SFA. Credit where credit is due, blame where blame is due. Ignorance is no defense.

Edited July 20, 2014 by ratcatcher

[Pimay1]

Are all these warehouses "government" or privately owned?

If privately owned then surely any responsibility for discrepancies must lay with the warehouse owner?

If "government" owned the responsibility would surely lay with the warehouse managers and their superiors in the govt department responsible for warehousing rice?

But, but, but the Commerce Min confirmed that no rice pledged under the subsidy program has gone missing from the warehouses. Then surely any responsibility for the lies discrepancies of this confirmation as well as the discrepancies in the warehouses must lay with the YL administration.

Commerce Min asserts no rice missing from warehouses

BANGKOK, 2 May 2014 (NNT) – The Commerce Ministry has confirmed that no rice pledged under the subsidy program has gone missing from the warehouses.

Yanyong Phuangrach, Deputy Commerce Minister, has defended that no rice disappeared from the warehouses as claimed by the account-closing committee

Source:

-- NNT 2014-05-02

[mrtoad]

Yingluck as the head of the rice scam is ultimately responsible for all the missing rice. Her. Incompetence and ignorance are no defence for her lack of action. As much as one suspects that The Fugitive Camel Herder is really the one responsible, he has made sure that there are plenty of people to take the fall, whilst him and his cronies cream off the bounty.

[smedly]

didn't Yingluc make a statement saying that all stocks were in good shape and accounted for backed up by lying KiteRAT finance minister - they are all complicit in this theft on a grand scale - if they didn't know about it they should have.

IMO - senior reds - MP's - ministry officials were all involved and not to forget Thaksin who masterminded the whole thing, and lets not forget to mention the losers - all of Thailand and it's people for many years to come

[aussieinthailand]

Are all these warehouses "government" or privately owned?

If privately owned then surely any responsibility for discrepancies must lay with the warehouse owner?

If "government" owned the responsibility would surely lay with the warehouse managers and their superiors in the govt department responsible for warehousing rice?

Ahhh the voice of reason, exactly what I was saying, but the haters will continue to hate regardless.

It was the man in Dubai, and all the red's, and Yingluk, and anyone else I don't like, because uncle Suthep is coated in Teflon, nothing ever sticks, and he's the messiah don't you know.

Like I said the person in charge of what goes in and out is where you need to start people, then follow the money, and if it goes' to Mr. T then cool you can say I told you so.

In a word...... Pathetic.

Really,,, How so? You don't agree that the managers of the rice storage facility are responsible? you don't agree that the money trail needs to be followed?

Just because I don't point the finger at Thaksin every time there is a problem unlike you, (" In a word...... Pathetic)".

Waah waahh waahh, My ice-cream is to cold THAKSIN'S FAULT HE DID IT!!!

any and all government ministers that are proven to have taken money for this rice needs to be fully prosecuted regardless who they are.

If you think a PM should be held accountable for the deeds of others then be consistent and not selective, ie, MARK's 3 years in the gig, and Suthep's many years in the trough, any sly business deals, money gone missing from projects? or has their time has been perfect, squeaky clean,,,,,,, Delusional.

Edited July 20, 2014 by aussieinthailand

[smedly]

Are all these warehouses "government" or privately owned?

If privately owned then surely any responsibility for discrepancies must lay with the warehouse owner?

If "government" owned the responsibility would surely lay with the warehouse managers and their superiors in the govt department responsible for warehousing rice?

"If "government" owned the responsibility would surely lay with the warehouse managers and their superiors in the govt department responsible for warehousing rice? "

Based on your analogy, the recent tragic rape and murder of a 13 year old on a train owned and operated by the State Railway of Thailand, the conductor, as the person in charge of the train would be culpable. OTOH as has been demonstrated, Prapas, the governor of SRT was relieved of his duties as he is ultimately responsible for the operation of everything to do with the railway.

Thus Yingluck, as the Prime Minister and head of the Rice Pledging Program, is ultimately responsible for the management of said program. She was warned of irregularities yet did SFA. Credit where credit is due, blame where blame is due. Ignorance is no defense.

that could possibly be true if the conductor had the full authority to hire and fire those responsible and also was aware of what was taking place on the train - it's all about being able to prove his involvement by knowing about it, he is then implicated in the crime like any other employee - was it part of his responsibility to know - which is a different matter entirely.

[lostsoul49]

Are all these warehouses "government" or privately owned?

If privately owned then surely any responsibility for discrepancies must lay with the warehouse owner?

If "government" owned the responsibility would surely lay with the warehouse managers and their superiors in the govt department responsible for warehousing rice?

Ahhh the voice of reason, exactly what I was saying, but the haters will continue to hate regardless.

It was the man in Dubai, and all the red's, and Yingluk, and anyone else I don't like, because uncle Suthep is coated in Teflon, nothing ever sticks, and he's the messiah don't you know.

Like I said the person in charge of what goes in and out is where you need to start people, then follow the money, and if it goes' to Mr. T then cool you can say I told you so.

In a word...... Pathetic.

Really,,, How so? You don't agree that the managers of the rice storage facility are responsible? you don't agree that the money trail needs to be followed?

Just because I don't point the finger at Thaksin every time there is a problem unlike you, (" In a word...... Pathetic)".

Waah waahh waahh, My ice-cream is to cold THAKSIN'S FAULT HE DID IT!!!

any and all government ministers that are proven to have taken money for this rice needs to be fully prosecuted regardless who they are.

If you think a PM should be held accountable for the deeds of others then be consistent and not selective, ie, MARK's 3 years in the gig, and Suthep's many years in the trough, any sly business deals, money gone missing from projects? or has their time has been perfect, squeaky clean,,,,,,, Delusional.

I already said that everyone connected with the warehouses, millers and farmers etc are all going to be rounded up and punished and that all their assets should be seized.

I also make the point that it should not stop there, it should go right to the top for those who not only put this scam in place but REFUSED to police it and make false claims all was good backed up by so called inspections.

A bit different from what you are saying.... The Shins and PTP officials involved should be above punishment.

I suppose you agree with the unbalanced judicial system then?..... Jail is for the poor, not the rich.

And by the way, I think your style of posting is beyond childishness.... how old are you?... 14????.... Like I said.... Pathetic. But hang around and entertain us.

Edited July 20, 2014 by lostsoul49

[FangFerang]

Are all these warehouses "government" or privately owned?

If privately owned then surely any responsibility for discrepancies must lay with the warehouse owner?

If "government" owned the responsibility would surely lay with the warehouse managers and their superiors in the govt department responsible for warehousing rice?

"If "government" owned the responsibility would surely lay with the warehouse managers and their superiors in the govt department responsible for warehousing rice? "

Based on your analogy, the recent tragic rape and murder of a 13 year old on a train owned and operated by the State Railway of Thailand, the conductor, as the person in charge of the train would be culpable. OTOH as has been demonstrated, Prapas, the governor of SRT was relieved of his duties as he is ultimately responsible for the operation of everything to do with the railway.

Thus Yingluck, as the Prime Minister and head of the Rice Pledging Program, is ultimately responsible for the management of said program. She was warned of irregularities yet did SFA. Credit where credit is due, blame where blame is due. Ignorance is no defense.

that could possibly be true if the conductor had the full authority to hire and fire those responsible and also was aware of what was taking place on the train - it's all about being able to prove his involvement by knowing about it, he is then implicated in the crime like any other employee - was it part of his responsibility to know - which is a different matter entirely.

"it's all about being able to prove his involvement by knowing about it"

Ok, so hire some psychics.

[Pimay1]

didn't Yingluc make a statement saying that all stocks were in good shape and accounted for backed up by lying KiteRAT finance minister - they are all complicit in this theft on a grand scale - if they didn't know about it they should have.

IMO - senior reds - MP's - ministry officials were all involved and not to forget Thaksin who masterminded the whole thing, and lets not forget to mention the losers - all of Thailand and it's people for many years to come

BANGKOK, 24 April 2014 – Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra has asserted that rice in the government's stockpile has not gone missing as suspected by the National Anti-Corruption Commission (NACC),

Source:

Pattaya Mail

[aussieinthailand]

No'p I don't think (jail)(American) gaol is for the poor not the rich, It's for the proven guilty not assumed guilty be they rich or poor red or yellow. But I guess you think Suthep is innocent and should never be held accountable for his little bit of corrupt dealings huh? be consistent not selective.

[djjamie]

1. Thats a hell of a lot of rice to disappear

No it's not that much. It would only have taken about 47,000 pickup trucks(which trunk to bonnet would stretch from Phichit to somewhere near Songkla) to come and taken it away. Easily missed, perhaps the warehouse manager was having a little siesta?

As has been said many times by the forum neutrals. The rice scheme was designed to win Thaksin an election, and enable him, his clan and his cronies to steal unprecedented amounts of money. That it would be totally ruinous for the farmers it was trumpeted to benefit was known from the first, check back on ThaiVisa to when the scam started and you will see the results were obvious to nearly all TVF members. Anybody that raises an eyebrow to the growing list of evidence of the thieving should be ashamed of themselves. You were warned.

Hmmm, not bad only post #6 and post #13 to have Thaksin, Thaksin, Thaksin, Yingluk, you make me laugh,

your first port of call should be the head honcho of the storage facility, he is responsible for what go's in and what comes out, end of story, and then do you really think the rice ever existed? AAAHHhhhhhh,,, Thaksin, did it ,Thaksin's guilty, Thaksin paid someone to take the rice, and it's on the moon with Elvis.

your first port of call should be the head honcho of the storage facility

No, yinglucks first point of call should have been the head honcho of the storage facility and she should have held him accountable. She didn't because when she had the Phichit warehouse investigated for irregularities they found none.

Whether it existed or not is beside the point. Yinglucks investigations found nothing missing and no irregularities. They didn't even conclude that it may not have existed in the first place.

It makes me laugh that some people forget she investigated the scheme and found no irregularities. Do you get it? She investigated the scheme and found nothing? Do you understand that?

So I laugh when ONLY 2 posts mention yingluck. They all should! Remember, she investigated the scheme and found nothing. Zero. Zip, 0. Ziltch. Understand?

Thaksin, did it ,Thaksin's guilty,

Who said thaksin did it? That is absurd. Your misrepresentation of the argument to build a straw man to suit your agenda makes me laugh. The old straw man in the hat trick. The oldest trick in a debaters repertoire. You know who is directly responsible? The head honcho of the storage facility. But he was never held accountable because yinglcuk said there was no rice missing. Do you understand that? She investigated the scheme and found none missing.

Seems I need to reinforce this investigation by yingluck because it just seems to always be conveniently overlooked when arguing the failures of this scheme that have only been uncovered when yingluck is no longer in power because she was being investigated for guess what?………..Yep, irregularities in the rice scheme.

I must say I am glad you're not the only Aussie representation we have in Thailand.

<EDIT> And just like the weapons finds starting off small the excuses were "tiny finds", "insignificant" and "not worth mentioning" to when the finds became 10% of the finds over a 14 year period making the arguments evolve to "the news stories are fake" because the truth cannot be accepted by red apologists so silly childish excuses are all they have left. Watch this space. As the rice finds pile up the excuse will shift from the current ones of yours above to "these are fake news stories" Just wait and see.

Edited July 20, 2014 by djjamie

[selftaopath]

Are all these warehouses "government" or privately owned?

If privately owned then surely any responsibility for discrepancies must lay with the warehouse owner?

If "government" owned the responsibility would surely lay with the warehouse managers and their superiors in the govt department responsible for warehousing rice?

Nope.... The ultimate responsibility rests with those charged with

Putting the scam in place,

Ignoring warnings that widespread corruption was happening end to end. Even international concerns.

Policing the system.

Claiming all was checked and in order.

Claiming no loss of money when 500 Bn is actually still unaccounted for.

Faking G2G deals to bolster public support for the scheme.

Discrediting and removing whistle blowers working within the system.

This is just a few things that our red Thaksin child killer supporters love to totally ignore.

The list is actually a lot more extensive if other members who are not purely red shirt supporters would like to add to.

Of course the warehouse personnel and likely some farmer too should be singled out, and that is all going to happen. Also have all their assets seized and their extended family's wealth checked out and all found profiting to lose everything but their clothes and thrown into a dungeon for a very long time.

That may go some way to recoup a fraction of the money.

But ultimately, I would seize EVERY asset of the Shin clan and EVERY PTP government minister involved with this scheme and do the exact same to them.

The Shins must have massive investments worth billions, with their stake in Shin Corp, and all their other shares in Thai companies such as AIS, PTT etc etc must be seized and sold off to pay this money back.

If you can't nab them or allow them to escape justice... You MUST go and grab everything they have here in Thailand.

The people need that money back.

Oh how I agree the "people need the money back."

We live in a village in Isaan. Some of the money could be used for so many things. Hell the electricity doesn't even stay on for prolonged periods of time. Having trash picked up would be a fantastic improvement to people's lives. The list is great, but the funds to be allocated to these people/villages are small.

[lostsoul49]

No'p I don't think (jail)(American) gaol is for the poor not the rich, It's for the proven guilty not assumed guilty be they rich or poor red or yellow. But I guess you think Suthep is innocent and should never be held accountable for his little bit of corrupt dealings huh? be consistent not selective.

But isn't your argument purely based on the fact that you feel they shouldn't even be accused and are nothing more than scapegoats and victims?

Plenty of posters including myself have pointed out in numerous ways all the things that have occurred are IN FACT provable of gross neglect and incompetence and almost certainly INVOLVEMENT.

Yet you think they shouldn't even be culpable of any blame whatsoever?

So they are above the law in your estimation?

For your information..... The facts are such that it is pretty almost proven that they are guilty as charged.

One question.... are you in love with the Shin regime or are you motivated just by hatred of Suthep (who without his actions hundreds of billions more will be exiting the country).?????

Ahh there is the answer... It is your hatred of Suthep.... I suppose you blame him for bringing this scam to an end.

Edited July 20, 2014 by lostsoul49

[Robby nz]

The commerce ministry not only told us there was no rice missing :

Commerce Min asserts no rice missing from warehouses

BANGKOK, 2 May 2014 (NNT) – The Commerce Ministry has confirmed that no rice pledged under the subsidy program has gone missing from the warehouses.

But Yingluck herself then asserted there was none missing and urged the NACC to do an inspection to confirm her assertion.

Posted 2014-04-24 09:59:53

PM urges NACC to inspect rice stock to determine whether rice was really missing

BANGKOK, 24 April 2014 (NNT) – Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra has asserted that rice in the government's stockpile has not gone missing as suspected by the National Anti-Corruption Commission (NACC), urging the latter to conduct an inspection of the government's rice stock to determine whether rice was really missing.

Ms. Yingluck wrote on her Facebook that figures in the documents from the rice mortgage accounting sub-committee did not take into account the 2.9 million tons of rice in the possession of the Government Warehouse Organization and the Marketing Organization for Farmers, refuting the claim that some rice had gone missing.

She suggested that for the purpose of transparency, the NACC should seek more evidence and inspect the rice stock itself. The suggestion has been forwarded to the NACC through Deputy Commerce Minister Yanyong Phuang-rat.

Minister Yanyong visited the NACC on Wednesday to submit a letter asserting that inspections of the rice stock in warehouses, carried out in March by Ministry of Commerce officials and members of the rice stock inspection committee, found that the entire 18.7 million tons of rice was intact and another 1.1 million tons was being fumigated.

Well she has her wish now and the NACC along with all the other agencies involved are finding out that whatever her assertions were based on were more than a little out of order.

I see minister Yanyong has submitted the lie that everything was fine in writing, a letter that will make great evidence against him when the time comes.

As for likely penalties we can only go on the one case that has so far been decided :

Rice miller gets 20 years in jail for rice pledging frauds

BANGKOK: -- The Chaiyaphum Provincial Court has sentenced a rice miller to serve 20 years in prison and nine farmers six months after finding them in rice pledging fraud conspiracy involving the missing of 750 tonnes of paddy and rice from government stocks.

Accused by police and sued in the court is the owner of Nopporn rice mill in Ban Kwao district after 621 tonnes of paddy and 129 tonnes of white rice worth 11 million baht went missing from the warehouse of the mill which joined the previous government’s rice pledging scheme.

Investigations by the police revealed conspiracy between the miller and a number of farmers to cheat the government.

Charges include falsifying official documents, falsify rice vouchers with no rice in stocks, removal of rice in government stocks for multiple pledging, causing 750 tons of paddy and white rice to go missing from government stocks.

The nine farmers were sentenced to six months in prison for the frauds. But they were given two years probation for the imprisonment sentence.

However for the miller, he faced embezzlement charge for the 750 tonnes of rice and paddy which went missing.

The court handed down 20 years in prison with no probation.

The miller can appeal the verdict to the Appeals Court.

Source: http://englishnews.t...ledging-frauds/


-- Thai PBS 2014-06-10

I note that the few red supporters, on other related topics, suggested that the NACC should have waited till the inspection was over before making a decision on forwarding a case against Yingluck to the AGO .

There will be no doubt that should the AGO decide to send Yingluck on to face court proceedings that the full result of the inspection and probably an audit will be available as evidence in court although I somehow doubt any of it will be of use to her as defense.

[noitom]

More Thai missing rice and the Shinawatras aren't around to take the blame.

[northernjohn]

No it's not that much. It would only have taken about 47,000 pickup trucks(which trunk to bonnet would stretch from Phichit to somewhere near Songkla) to come and taken it away. Easily missed, perhaps the warehouse manager was having a little siesta?

As has been said many times by the forum neutrals. The rice scheme was designed to win Thaksin an election, and enable him, his clan and his cronies to steal unprecedented amounts of money. That it would be totally ruinous for the farmers it was trumpeted to benefit was known from the first, check back on ThaiVisa to when the scam started and you will see the results were obvious to nearly all TVF members. Anybody that raises an eyebrow to the growing list of evidence of the thieving should be ashamed of themselves. You were warned.

Hmmm, not bad only post #6 and post #13 to have Thaksin, Thaksin, Thaksin, Yingluk, you make me laugh,

your first port of call should be the head honcho of the storage facility, he is responsible for what go's in and what comes out, end of story, and then do you really think the rice ever existed? AAAHHhhhhhh,,, Thaksin, did it ,Thaksin's guilty, Thaksin paid someone to take the rice, and it's on the moon with Elvis.

The rice sceme was Thaksins idea.

Nobody is claiming that Thaksin made money from this particular case. However he very cynically, even by Thai standards, fostered and augmented the atmosphere of corruption for his own ends. The results are still visible everywhere. I could go on but I would be banned from TV.

I say he made big money on the scam. rice farmers on Shinawatra land were the first ones paid before the scam ran out of money.

[smedly]

Are all these warehouses "government" or privately owned?

If privately owned then surely any responsibility for discrepancies must lay with the warehouse owner?

If "government" owned the responsibility would surely lay with the warehouse managers and their superiors in the govt department responsible for warehousing rice?

"If "government" owned the responsibility would surely lay with the warehouse managers and their superiors in the govt department responsible for warehousing rice? "

Based on your analogy, the recent tragic rape and murder of a 13 year old on a train owned and operated by the State Railway of Thailand, the conductor, as the person in charge of the train would be culpable. OTOH as has been demonstrated, Prapas, the governor of SRT was relieved of his duties as he is ultimately responsible for the operation of everything to do with the railway.

Thus Yingluck, as the Prime Minister and head of the Rice Pledging Program, is ultimately responsible for the management of said program. She was warned of irregularities yet did SFA. Credit where credit is due, blame where blame is due. Ignorance is no defense.

that could possibly be true if the conductor had the full authority to hire and fire those responsible and also was aware of what was taking place on the train - it's all about being able to prove his involvement by knowing about it, he is then implicated in the crime like any other employee - was it part of his responsibility to know - which is a different matter entirely.

"it's all about being able to prove his involvement by knowing about it"

Ok, so hire some psychics.

That is exactly my point Sherlock

[GuestHouse]

I have my suspicions that Red Shirt Farangs stole the rice.

They, like the rice, can't be found anywhere.

They're on the Lam just like their hero architect of this disgraceful scam.

[ratcatcher]

More Thai missing rice and the Shinawatras aren't around to take the blame.

Isn't that the whole idea? Flee the scene?

The Rice Pledging was Thaksin's idea and Yingluck was his clone in charge. They could all be on the moon, but fact is they were responsible.

[cooked]

The rice sceme was Thaksins idea.

Nobody is claiming that Thaksin made money from this particular case. However he very cynically, even by Thai standards, fostered and augmented the atmosphere of corruption for his own ends. The results are still visible everywhere. I could go on but I would be banned from TV.

I say he made big money on the scam. rice farmers on Shinawatra land were the first ones paid before the scam ran out of money.

Of course he did, directly but mostly indirectly. I was trying to show that the worst thing that he did was that he took corruption to a new level.

[aussieinthailand]

No'p I don't think (jail)(American) gaol is for the poor not the rich, It's for the proven guilty not assumed guilty be they rich or poor red or yellow. But I guess you think Suthep is innocent and should never be held accountable for his little bit of corrupt dealings huh? be consistent not selective.

But isn't your argument purely based on the fact that you feel they shouldn't even be accused and are nothing more than scapegoats and victims?

Plenty of posters including myself have pointed out in numerous ways all the things that have occurred are IN FACT provable of gross neglect and incompetence and almost certainly INVOLVEMENT.

Yet you think they shouldn't even be culpable of any blame whatsoever?

So they are above the law in your estimation?

For your information..... The facts are such that it is pretty almost proven that they are guilty as charged.

One question.... are you in love with the Shin regime or are you motivated just by hatred of Suthep (who without his actions hundreds of billions more will be exiting the country).?????

Ahh there is the answer... It is your hatred of Suthep.... I suppose you blame him for bringing this scam to an end.

"So they are above the law in your estimation" No'p I never said that, you just did. I say start with the manager and follow the money.

"For your information.... The facts are that it is pretty almost proven that they are guilty as charged" Did you read this before you posted it?

Question please,

define "the facts are pretty almost" Really....WOW, If ya can't dazzle em with brains baffle em with bullsh*t, you make me laugh, more plz

Lostsoul49, Maybe it more than just your soul you lost?