Thousands march for Gaza in London, clashes in Paris over Israeli onslaught

[Ulysses G.]

You seem to be ignoring the fact that the Muslim Brotherhood were "subsidised  [sic} with $$billions by US" too. What utter nonsense. 

[dexterm]

You seem to be ignoring the fact that the Muslim Brotherhood were "subsidised  [sic} with $$billions by US" too. What utter nonsense. 

 

USA sent military aid including F16 jets to Egypts armed forces not the democratically elected Muslim Brotherhood..and you know what the military have done with that aid..murdered and imprisoned 1000s of their own citizens, and with phoney elections appointed Sisi the new dictator.

 

My original post stands. Egypt is the puppet of USA and Israel. It's certainly very convenient for Israel to have Egypt blocking tunnels and exits on one side of Gaza while they reciprocate on the other.

[Ulysses G.]

Huh? The USA was scheduled to provide those jets to the Muslim Brotherhood government (for some bizarre reason), but the Egyptian people rose up and threw them out (with the aid of the military)  before they could be delivered. However, that  doesn't quite fit your ridiculous scenario does it? 

Edited July 22, 2014 by Ulysses G.

[Scott]

Posts removed.  

[simple1]

 

You seem to be ignoring the fact that the Muslim Brotherhood were "subsidised  [sic} with $$billions by US" too. What utter nonsense. 

 

USA sent military aid including F16 jets to Egypts armed forces not the democratically elected Muslim Brotherhood..and you know what the military have done with that aid..murdered and imprisoned 1000s of their own citizens, and with phoney elections appointed Sisi the new dictator.

 

My original post stands. Egypt is the puppet of USA and Israel. It's certainly very convenient for Israel to have Egypt blocking tunnels and exits on one side of Gaza while they reciprocate on the other.

 

 

US Administration provided funding to the Morsi government, I guess keeping options open in the forlorn hope that Morsi would keep his election promises not to go down the path of creating an extremist Islamist government. At the same time backdoor channels were used by some US politicians to provide some funds for anti Morsi political activities.

 

Current Egyptian government is deeply anti-Muslim Brotherhood, but in parallel Sisi continues to seek legitimacy for military rule by associating it with Islamism; I suggest this policy is not reflective of a puppet like mentality towards the US/Israel.

 

Sisi’s Islamist agenda

 

http://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/139605/robert-springborg/sisis-islamist-agenda-for-egypt

 

Any policies that you consider "puppet", I beleive, would be better interpreted as realpolitik.

Edited July 22, 2014 by simple1

[kingalfred]

Huh? The USA was scheduled to provide those jets to the Muslim Brotherhood government (for some bizarre reason), but the Egyptian people rose up and threw them out (with the aid of the military)  before they could be delivered. However, that  doesn't quite fit your ridiculous scenario does it? 

All of your posts are an epitomy of lies and ridicule.Murder civilians and then claim it was an accident or weapons are under or next to site the killers hit,Never verified only propaganda from Israel .Lets keep contributing funds to palestine.Israel will discover the hate that is going to reign down on it worldwide in the near future.


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[Ulysses G.]

If so, why can't you ever point out my "lies" and refute them with a legitimate source? All you do is hurl delusional rhetoric and silly insults. 

[Ulysses G.]

All you did was spew a bunch of unfounded accusations with absolutely nothing to back them up. See?  I can read just fine.  

[kingalfred]

http://m.aljazeera.com/story/2014721124111171397 I can add as many links as UG . I dont need to prove the lies of Israel and its supporters.


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[kingalfred]

http://m.aljazeera.com/story/2014721124111171397 I can add as many links as UG . I dont need to prove the lies of Israel and its supporters.


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[Ulysses G.]

I can add as many links as UG . I dont need to prove the lies of Israel and its supporters.
 

 Actually, you DO have to prove it or never be taken seriously and it helps to add some sort of sane commentary on your links .

 

 

The Israeli military said an initial investigation suggests that anti-tank missiles were stored near the hospital and that the cache was successfully targeted. "Civilian casualties are a tragic inevitability of the brutal and systematic exploitation of homes, hospitals and mosques in Gaza," the army said.
The military has consistently said it makes great efforts to minimize civilian casualties but Hamas puts Gazans in danger by hiding weapons and fighters in residential areas.

http://m.aljazeera.c...721124111171397 I

Edited July 22, 2014 by Ulysses G.

[kingalfred]

You so immersed in your Israeli propaganda you did what I accused you of "spouting IDF copy" , easy to say there are rockets next to hospital, fits Israel's agenda to deflect criticism.

I wonder where the Hamas rockets were when the Israel Navy fired at  and murdered 4 children on a beach.

 

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/22/world/middleeast/questions-about-tactics-and-targets-as-civilian-toll-climbs-in-israeli-strikes.html?_r=0

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/16/gaza-children-killed_n_5591281.html

Edited July 22, 2014 by kingalfred

[kblaze]

 

Which ever side your on does not matter, at the moment there is a wholesale slaughter of innocents in Gazza, who have nothing to do with the rockets being fired, or can do anything to stop them

You are right that something have to be done, but i am sure that you agree with me that the "right thing" have to be done.

Lets look at the facts:

1. until 2005 Israel controlled Gaza. It later left it unilaterally.

2. The people of Gaza chose Hamas in democratic elections (which the Americans pushed for, btw)...

3. Hamas took over Gaza, and killed anyone who objected (mostly from the PLO). 

4. Hamas is a Jihadist terror organization who clearly calls for the destruction and murder of Israel and Jews.

5. Hamas is shooting rockets into Israel for the past 8 years.

6. Hamas built and store most of its artillery and weaponry inside civilian centers (kindergartens, Mosques, Hospitals).

7. Hamas support a death culture which calls for Shahida (martyrdom).

8. The heads of Hamas became billionaires from tunnel smuggling commodities into Gaza, and donations from Muslims around the world.

9. Hamas was starting to loose the favor of the street, so it kidnapped and murdered 3 young Israeli men.

10. Israel calls for the evacuation of the areas from civilian before they bomb it- Hamas forbid it, and threatens anyone who leaves.

11. Hamas refused all the cease fire proposed by Egypt, and broke the short term Humanitarian cease fires.

12. Hamas cynically uses the death of civilians for propaganda and to steer hate against Israel.

 

If anyone have any problem with any point i made, i am ready to prove each one of them.

 

if you consider the fact, you can understand that it is Hamas interest that the Palestinians will continue to die.

The only way for them to have a better life, is to reject Hamas leadership, sit to negotiate peace with Israel.

But Hamas will never willingly go down from power, or let anyone voice its opinion against theirs.

 

 

"If anyone have any problem with any point i made, i am ready to prove each one of them"

 

Oh goodie!

 

So lets start with number 8! "Hamas billionaires!" wow, I thought I saw a couple extra bearded fellows on the Forbes list this year...didn't realize they were Hamas. Link please.

 

Next, lets go to number 9! "Hamas kidnapped the 3 young men to gain more favor on the street." This is news to me, I thought all the reports I read detailing how the men were affiliated with Hamas but had no directive from Hamas to kidnap were pretty fishy anyway. Link please.

 

Finally, Hamas "forbidding" Gazans to evacuate. Now I'm going to ask you the same question I have asked many others (but haven't gotten any responses).

 

If the Gazans are being held against their will from evacuating, as you imply by using the term "forbid" and "threatened", then that means they are hostages right? And Hamas is the hostage taker?

So it brings up the next question; Would you agree that the IDF is the most inept army in the world that they kill 3 hostages to get to 1 hostage taker (im not even counting injuries)?

[kblaze]

 

 

 

Important people keep that in mind when they hide behind the defense; "it's the Gazans' fault for not moving to safer places". Where are they supposed to go?

Israel is letting Palestinians with foreign passports leave the country and the U.N. refugee agency for Palestinians has set up special shelters set up in 20 United Nations schools in Gaza. That is where they should go, but Hamas is still ordering them not to leave their houses even after they have been warned. The Hamas terrorists want them to die for the PR value. 

 

 

Wow thats so nice of Israel to "let" Palestinians leave, oh wait! just the ones with foreign passports. Gee what is that .00001%? What about Palestinians in Gaza that have family in the West Bank whom would take them in? Give me a reason other than the vague "security" crutch why they shouldn't be allowed to go to another Palestinian land to flee the violence? Seriously, look at what's happening, a 1000x more powerful country locks down a smaller neighbor, keeps the population from leaving, then bombs it to oblivion. Where else has this happened in history..

 

Oh and 20 Schools for 1.8 million. 

 

90,000 people per "school". (go ahead cut the numbers by 1/10...its still uninhabitable)

 

And what about those Gazans that don't trust the security of the UN buildings? I thought I heard rockets had been found at one recently?

If on another planet you were a Gazan and those reports start buzzing around, wouldn't you be pretty reluctant to go to a UN shelter, knowing what happened in 2009? http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7814054.stm

 

 

The Gaza Strip got a border pass with Egypt. Egypt is not currently being attacked by Hamas and other organizations, although relationship have gone sour. Still a wee bit better than how things stand between Israel and the Hamas. The Egyptians could let them in, even as a temporary measure - and yet they choose not to. Somehow not getting anywhere near the flack Israel does.
 

 

 

Wow, all that, and the best you come up with is. "bu bu bu but Egypt isn't letting them in either!!"

 

How about just admitting that its atrocious on the Israeli side? Is that so hard to do?

 

Of-freaking-course Egypt isn't going to let them in, they have cozied up to Bibi since throwing out the previous Egyptian government over their common hatred of the Muslim Brotherhood, which Hamas is a part of. 

[kblaze]

 

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Blogs/Message.aspx/5989

 

These are the people who brought you 9-11, whose ideology is the same as those who bombed London, Madrid and Mumbai.  In calling for death to the Jews, they distort the same religious teachings as those responsible for the massacre of kids in the Beslan school and the audience of a Moscow theatre.  All told there have been over 23,300 deadly terror attacks by Islamists since September 11 2001*.    

These militant friends of yours are followers of the same religious perversion as the barbarians who decapitated soldier Lee Rigby in broad daylight on a London street in a grotesque show before horrified witnesses.

This is the brotherhood which tries to blow people up at 30,000 feet with explosives hidden in shoes, underwear, water bottles and inkjet cartridges. Whose footsoldiers even now are developing new methods of murder in the skies. They are the reason why all passengers have to take off shoes and belts to go through all that scanning and frisking before getting on a plane. Without these new friends of yours, air travel might still be the enjoyable experience it used to be before another of their brothers,Yasser Arafat, brought terrorist hijackings into our peaceful world in 1969.

For those of you in academia: know that the folks you join hands with on Sunday are in the same tent as those who bullied English headteachers out of their jobs in order to radicalise the next generation in Britain’s own state schools.  The ‘Trojan Horse’ scandal is thought by investigators to be just the tip of a very ugly iceberg.

And to those of you who work in the media: spare a thought for the 100 and more journalists imprisoned in Islamic countries. Mr Erdogan’s brotherhood government of Turkey (a NATO country!) holds top spot for the 3rd year running, with more jailed reporters than even Iran. 

And do you even remember the name Daniel Pearl?  He was the Washington Post reporter who was decapitated on camera by the same brotherhood you stand with.  I don’t recall any of you media hacks protesting against that outrage on one of your own people. Maybe that’s because he also happened to be one of our people.

 

I think most of us on here expressing concern about Israel's disproportionate reaction to Hamas also don't support killers who happen to be Islamic. Because people support the general thrust of USA policy does not mean they are "friends" and "supporters" of Staff Sargeant Robert Bales, who murdered 16 unarmed Afghani civilians. Objecting to the murder of Palestinian women and children by Israeli weapons does not mean one also supports extreme acts of terrorists.

Similarly, I would like to assume that while you obviously support the Israeli viewpoint, that you would condemn those Jews responsible for the kidnapping, torture and murder of 16 year old Mohammed Abu Khdeir a few weeks ago. Which, by the way, the Israeli media is not allowed to comment on.....

 

 

great post. 

[kblaze]

 

 

We should be able to by now to find better ways of dealing with issues than this. Yes Hamas are a nut group but so is Israels consistant response and its lack of will to find a solution or allow things to progress, The US is absolutely part of this by backing Israel 100% when its in the wrong.. It knows it can get away with it.

 

 

 

Dont worry, i dont call you Anti Semite, but i will call you a "useful idiot", and again im not mocking you. It is a term used by the soviets to describe their supporters in the west.

You are with your posts support Hamas, while their leaders let their people be killed, and sit in far away Qatar, starting a new real estate project worth billions, which they stole/ earned due to this conflict (khaled Mashel if you are wondering who), and that is thanks to people like you.

 

So you are not helping the Gazans, you just contributing to the continuation of this statuesque...  

 

 

See folks, no matter what, if you are against Israel's actions, you MUST be supporting Hamas. 

[kblaze]

We are not talking about the world here but the poor people locked inside Gaza who have no escape and no future.

If you want to stir a hornets nest poke it with a stick.

The casualties on both sides originate from the death of three 'settler' Israeli teenagers who were hitchhiking back to their home in a settler village in the West Bank.

Israel has no rights to 'settle' the West Bank. The UN has already decided that.

The emotions of people robbed of their land owned for decades and an apartheid regime run high.

Every Palestinian youngster who sees their family destroyed by Israeli militia and with no future is another freedom fighter hell bent
on getting revenge.
And so the cycle continues.

 

This is what needs to be said a thousand times. 

[dexterm]

You so immersed in your Israeli propaganda you did what I accused you of "spouting IDF copy" , easy to say there are rockets next to hospital, fits Israel's agenda to deflect criticism.

I wonder where the Hamas rockets were when the Israel Navy fired at  and murdered 4 children on a beach.

 

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/22/world/middleeast/questions-about-tactics-and-targets-as-civilian-toll-climbs-in-israeli-strikes.html?_r=0

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/16/gaza-children-killed_n_5591281.html

 

Israeli apologists always claim the IDF never makes mistakes and never deliberately targets civilians , and when they are caught redhanded, use the Big Lie technique ....blame the other side.

 

When all else fails UG invokes his Hamas mobile rocket launchers script.

[dexterm]

 

I can add as many links as UG . I dont need to prove the lies of Israel and its supporters.
 

 Actually, you DO have to prove it or never be taken seriously and it helps to add some sort of sane commentary on your links .

 

 

The Israeli military said an initial investigation suggests that anti-tank missiles were stored near the hospital and that the cache was successfully targeted. "Civilian casualties are a tragic inevitability of the brutal and systematic exploitation of homes, hospitals and mosques in Gaza," the army said.
The military has consistently said it makes great efforts to minimize civilian casualties but Hamas puts Gazans in danger by hiding weapons and fighters in residential areas.

http://m.aljazeera.c...721124111171397 I

 

 

Is it OK then to murder Israeli children, the elderly and disabled in a hospital if there is an IDF or Israeli police security on the front door, knowing full well that the projectile you are firing will inevitably kill civilians too?

Edited July 22, 2014 by dexterm

[johna]

Israel's peace plan.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9KDhsFFfGU

[DPIZZA]

 

Total garbage. Israel drops leaflets to warn civilians to vacate targeted areas, Hamas stop them leaving. Every Palestinian death is greeted as a propaganda op by Hamas, eagerly lapped up by guillible and ignorant western leftists. Incidentally people are taking to the streets of western cities because of uncontrolled mass immigration from the largely anti-Semitic third world. Even the socialist French government can see this and are now clamping down on demos in support of a totalitarian foreign ideology. Incidentally the foreign culture enrichers let into France have been persecuting it's Jewish population for years prior to Gaza even being handed over so don't confuse motive with pretext, but then again leftists with an agenda knowingly do so.


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"Hamas stop them leaving."

 

Ok so it sounds like Hamas is holding the people of Gaza hostage? 

 

 

 

So Israel is killing 3+ hostages to kill one hostage-taker?

 

Interesting

 

You still dont get it, dont you?

 

There is no one that stands with a board and a chalk and makes the tally here...

There is also no one and no way to control the situation, this is a war.

Everybody knows how it starts, but nobody knows how it ends...

It is a chaotic situation, with new sometimes unpredictable situations everyday.

Israel or any other nation can try 100% to try avoid civilian casualties, but there is no way it can be done, especially in Gaza.

Can you bring me an example of a war with no casualties (not talking about the cold war ofcourse)?

 

 

[kblaze]

 

 

"Hamas stop them leaving."

 

Ok so it sounds like Hamas is holding the people of Gaza hostage? 

 

 

 

So Israel is killing 3+ hostages to kill one hostage-taker?

 

Interesting

 

You still dont get it, dont you?

 

There is no one that stands with a board and a chalk and makes the tally here...

There is also no one and no way to control the situation, this is a war.

Everybody knows how it starts, but nobody knows how it ends...

It is a chaotic situation, with new sometimes unpredictable situations everyday.

Israel or any other nation can try 100% to try avoid civilian casualties, but there is no way it can be done, especially in Gaza.

Can you bring me an example of a war with no casualties (not talking about the cold war ofcourse)?

 

 

 

 

- Yes, actually, there are numerous international organizations such as the UN, with people in hospitals, counting bodies. 

- War can be controlled by those waging it.

- Yes, no one knows how it ends.

- Yes, it is chaotic, unpredictable.

- Um, ok.

- A war with no casualties? You mean no civilian casualties? I have no idea.

[Ulysses G.]

You still dont get it, dont you?
 
There is no one that stands with a board and a chalk and makes the tally here...
There is also no one and no way to control the situation, this is a war.
Everybody knows how it starts, but nobody knows how it ends...
It is a chaotic situation, with new sometimes unpredictable situations everyday.
Israel or any other nation can try 100% to try avoid civilian casualties, but there is no way it can be done, especially in Gaza.
Can you bring me an example of a war with no casualties (not talking about the cold war ofcourse)?

Of course. Anyone with common sense disputes those figures. Khaled Abu Toameh, an Arab Israeli journalist, on the fictitious casualty figures for civilians in 2009.

According to Palestinians in the Gaza Strip, on the first day of the war Hamas ordered its gunmen to take off their uniforms to avoid being detected by the IDF. The Hamas gunmen who participated in the fighting against the IDF were all dressed as civilians and the majority arrived at hospitals without their weapons or any other signs revealing their status as gunmen.
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2168234/posts

[Ulysses G.]

Israeli apologists always claim the IDF never makes mistakes

Another one of your many dishonest, erroneous or fabricated posts that are easily disproved. Please provide even ONE post by an "Israeli apologist", on this forum, claiming that the IDF "never makes mistakes". We are ALL waiting. 

Edited July 22, 2014 by Ulysses G.

[DPIZZA]

 

 

Important people keep that in mind when they hide behind the defense; "it's the Gazans' fault for not moving to safer places". Where are they supposed to go?

Israel is letting Palestinians with foreign passports leave the country and the U.N. refugee agency for Palestinians has set up special shelters set up in 20 United Nations schools in Gaza. That is where they should go, but Hamas is still ordering them not to leave their houses even after they have been warned. The Hamas terrorists want them to die for the PR value. 

 

 

Very common for Palestinians to have dual passports then?, I doubt it, please stop defending this slaughter

 

You know I never cared when I see the Middle East killing each other before, but this has touched me, to think these poor children have nowhere to hide, and have to except that they might be dead soon.

 

What mentality bombs civilian homes on purpose. Its a war crime on a massive scale, coming from a race that should know so much better.

 

Your obviously Israeli Ulysses, but put your hand on your heart and tell me you feel proud about what they are doing to these innocents, there has to be a better solution, this is the "final solution" and not exceptable in the 21st century

 

Actually many Palestinians do have foreign nationalities, since they are considered refugees, and as such, in western countries they have the right to claim citizenship. But on the other hand, in all Arab countries Palestinians cant get citizenship and are discriminated in all aspects of life (except Jordan for citizenship). Dont you think it is funny that the countries which most supportive for Palestinian people's right for a country, dont find it adequate to ease some of their suffer, at least in their own countries?

 

For the other subjects you raised:

I really appreciate people who take a stand or act out of conscience.

Unfortunately, i found that sometimes they might do the wrong thing with good intentions ofcourse...

Sometimes it is due to prevalent perceptions in their area or country, which do not coincide with cultural perceptions in another part of the world, where they wish to help out.

As someone who lives in Thailand, i think you know very well about cultural differences, and what kind of misunderstandings it can cause.

Let it be clear, I feel sorry for any children who dies from both sides.

But my question to you is why "you been touched" by the death of Palestinian children, but you never "been touched" by the death of Syrian children? in Syria about 200,000 people have died until now, from that about 11,000 children, and that in 3 years! 

Is the death of Syrian children doesnt "touch you"? even when hundreds were gassed and tortured to death?

That is compared to about 8,000 Palestinians dead since 1987 due to the conflict in Israel, thats in 27 years!

What about the 300 school girls who were kidnapped by Boko Haram in Nigeria and are said to be sold as sex slaves? or the more than 2,000 people, women and children they killed? that "didnt touch" you?

If it did, can you point me to the comments you posted back then?

[kblaze]

But my question to you is why "you been touched" by the death of Palestinian children, but you never "been touched" by the death of Syrian children? in Syria about 200,000 people have died until now, from that about 11,000 children, and that in 3 years! 

 

 

Is the death of Syrian children doesnt "touch you"? even when hundreds were gassed and tortured to death?

That is compared to about 8,000 Palestinians dead since 1987 due to the conflict in Israel, thats in 27 years!

What about the 300 school girls who were kidnapped by Boko Haram in Nigeria and are said to be sold as sex slaves? or the more than 2,000 people, women and children they killed? that "didnt touch" you?

If it did, can you point me to the comments you posted back then?

 

 

Why do some people like football and some like rugby? Why do some want to visit Italy, but not Germany? Why do some read Hunter S. Thompson while others read William S. Burroughs?

 

The human life doesn't give us enough time to do everything. We pick and choose. Everyday. Does it mean "you dont care" about the other things happening in the world? No. Why do people pick and choose the things they care about? Its different in every.single.case. 

[Jingthing]

 

But my question to you is why "you been touched" by the death of Palestinian children, but you never "been touched" by the death of Syrian children? in Syria about 200,000 people have died until now, from that about 11,000 children, and that in 3 years! 

 

 

Is the death of Syrian children doesnt "touch you"? even when hundreds were gassed and tortured to death?

That is compared to about 8,000 Palestinians dead since 1987 due to the conflict in Israel, thats in 27 years!

What about the 300 school girls who were kidnapped by Boko Haram in Nigeria and are said to be sold as sex slaves? or the more than 2,000 people, women and children they killed? that "didnt touch" you?

If it did, can you point me to the comments you posted back then?

 

 

Why do some people like football and some like rugby? Why do some want to visit Italy, but not Germany? Why do some read Hunter S. Thompson while others read William S. Burroughs?

 

The human life doesn't give us enough time to do everything. We pick and choose. Everyday. Does it mean "you dont care" about the other things happening in the world? No. Why do people pick and choose the things they care about? Its different in every.single.case. 

 

Nice dodge. Not buying. The irrational, wildly imbalanced global obsession with Israel's faults (coincidentally  the one and only Jewish state on the planet) over the greater faults of numerous other nations is an objective fact. Look at the UN. Look at European lefties (not to mention their fascists). Yes, we know the reason. It ain't rocket science. 

Edited July 22, 2014 by Jingthing

[Steely Dan]

 

 

Important people keep that in mind when they hide behind the defense; "it's the Gazans' fault for not moving to safer places". Where are they supposed to go?

Israel is letting Palestinians with foreign passports leave the country and the U.N. refugee agency for Palestinians has set up special shelters set up in 20 United Nations schools in Gaza. That is where they should go, but Hamas is still ordering them not to leave their houses even after they have been warned. The Hamas terrorists want them to die for the PR value. 
 

 
Very common for Palestinians to have dual passports then?, I doubt it, please stop defending this slaughter
 
You know I never cared when I see the Middle East killing each other before, but this has touched me, to think these poor children have nowhere to hide, and have to except that they might be dead soon.
 
What mentality bombs civilian homes on purpose. Its a war crime on a massive scale, coming from a race that should know so much better.
 
Your obviously Israeli Ulysses, but put your hand on your heart and tell me you feel proud about what they are doing to these innocents, there has to be a better solution, this is the "final solution" and not exceptable in the 21st century
 

Actually many Palestinians do have foreign nationalities, since they are considered refugees, and as such, in western countries they have the right to claim citizenship. But on the other hand, in all Arab countries Palestinians cant get citizenship and are discriminated in all aspects of life (except Jordan for citizenship). Dont you think it is funny that the countries which most supportive for Palestinian people's right for a country, dont find it adequate to ease some of their suffer, at least in their own countries?
 
For the other subjects you raised:
I really appreciate people who take a stand or act out of conscience.
Unfortunately, i found that sometimes they might do the wrong thing with good intentions ofcourse...
Sometimes it is due to prevalent perceptions in their area or country, which do not coincide with cultural perceptions in another part of the world, where they wish to help out.
As someone who lives in Thailand, i think you know very well about cultural differences, and what kind of misunderstandings it can cause.
Let it be clear, I feel sorry for any children who dies from both sides.
But my question to you is why "you been touched" by the death of Palestinian children, but you never "been touched" by the death of Syrian children? in Syria about 200,000 people have died until now, from that about 11,000 children, and that in 3 years! 
Is the death of Syrian children doesnt "touch you"? even when hundreds were gassed and tortured to death?
That is compared to about 8,000 Palestinians dead since 1987 due to the conflict in Israel, thats in 27 years!
What about the 300 school girls who were kidnapped by Boko Haram in Nigeria and are said to be sold as sex slaves? or the more than 2,000 people, women and children they killed? that "didnt touch" you?
If it did, can you point me to the comments you posted back then?

I think the answers to all your questions reside in the following link, moral arguments are being used as a tactic concealing a political or ideological motive.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/2014/bruce-thornton/the-incoherent-excuses-for-hating-israel/


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[kblaze]

 

 

But my question to you is why "you been touched" by the death of Palestinian children, but you never "been touched" by the death of Syrian children? in Syria about 200,000 people have died until now, from that about 11,000 children, and that in 3 years! 

 

 

Is the death of Syrian children doesnt "touch you"? even when hundreds were gassed and tortured to death?

That is compared to about 8,000 Palestinians dead since 1987 due to the conflict in Israel, thats in 27 years!

What about the 300 school girls who were kidnapped by Boko Haram in Nigeria and are said to be sold as sex slaves? or the more than 2,000 people, women and children they killed? that "didnt touch" you?

If it did, can you point me to the comments you posted back then?

 

 

Why do some people like football and some like rugby? Why do some want to visit Italy, but not Germany? Why do some read Hunter S. Thompson while others read William S. Burroughs?

 

The human life doesn't give us enough time to do everything. We pick and choose. Everyday. Does it mean "you dont care" about the other things happening in the world? No. Why do people pick and choose the things they care about? Its different in every.single.case. 

 

Nice dodge. Not buying. The irrational, wildly imbalanced global obsession with Israel's faults (coincidentally  the one and only Jewish state on the planet) over the greater faults of numerous other nations is an objective fact. Look at the UN. Look at European lefties (not to mention their fascists). Yes, we know the reason. It ain't rocket science. 

 

 

This is interesting...do you discount global opinion on all matters? Or only those related to Israel?

 

Please go ahead and finish the thought...why do you think the world has a global obsession with Israel's faults?

[Jingthing]

I think the answers to all your questions reside in the following link, moral arguments are being used as a tactic concealing a political or ideological motive.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/2014/bruce-thornton/the-incoherent-excuses-for-hating-israel/


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Sadly, spot on, from your link:

 

Finally, there is no question that hatred of Israel reflects the continuing existence of anti-Semitism in Europe, intensified by millions of Muslim immigrants for whom hating Israel is theologically justified. As the generation responsible for the Holocaust dies off, as the current generation grows increasingly tired of guilt for atrocities they had nothing to do with, and as the Holocaust becomes just another distant historical attraction in the museum circuit, a space is created for a return of anti-Semitism, one disguised as “anti-Zionism” and “compassion” for the suffering of “Palestinians.” The “Jew of nations,” Israel is burdened with all the old slanders and bigoted stereotypes, now given a patina of leftist ideology and sentimental Third-Worldism. But it is still the same old ancient evil.