Gaza school strike 'criminal' - UN

[Jingthing]

I don't know what you are on about. People who support Israel's right to defend herself against antisemitic genocidal terrorists are never going to agree with Hamas cheerleaders.

Speaking of attacks on Israel, when it rains, it pours. Now some are coming from the NORTH in Lebanon!

Stop perpetuating lies that come from the myths sprouted in propaganda!

Hamas are not antisemitic, nor are they genocidal or terrorists.

Granted they want to exterminate Zionists, but not all Jews are Zionist. Their charter makes this clear. Their charter makes it clear that, to quote from it, "... it is possible for the members of the three religions: Islam, Christianity and Judaism to coexist in safety and security...". That is NOT antisemitism.

If firing rockets at civilian populated areas is terrorism, then Israel via it's IDF is a much worse terrorist, sowing much more terror.

Hamas wants to "liberate" all of Israel and take it away from the Jews who have a state there -- ISRAEL. Israel is the manifestation of Zionism. What happens to the Jews then? If they don't run, they fight and of course the Jews will fight, so if Hamas wins, they get mass murdered -- genocide. You can try to split hairs with the Jew/Zionist thing but rational people are not fooled. If you are pushing a big lie that Israeli Jews can live in a new Palestinian state ruled by radical Islamic Jihadists like Hamas ... dude, that is just absurd. That would be just as viable as religious minorities being able to live under ISIS rule!

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[Seastallion]

I don't know what you are on about. People who support Israel's right to defend herself against antisemitic genocidal terrorists are never going to agree with Hamas cheerleaders.

Speaking of attacks on Israel, when it rains, it pours. Now some are coming from the NORTH in Lebanon!

Stop perpetuating lies that come from the myths sprouted in propaganda!

Hamas are not antisemitic, nor are they genocidal or terrorists.

Granted they want to exterminate Zionists, but not all Jews are Zionist. Their charter makes this clear. Their charter makes it clear that, to quote from it, "... it is possible for the members of the three religions: Islam, Christianity and Judaism to coexist in safety and security...". That is NOT antisemitism.

If firing rockets at civilian populated areas is terrorism, then Israel via it's IDF is a much worse terrorist, sowing much more terror.

Hamas wants to "liberate" all of Israel and take it away from the Jews who have a state there -- ISRAEL. Israel is the manifestation of Zionism. What happens to the Jews then? If they don't run, they fight and of course the Jews will fight, so if Hamas wins, they get mass murdered -- genocide. You can try to split hairs with the Jew/Zionist thing but rational people are not fooled. If you are pushing a big lie that Israeli Jews can live in a new Palestinian state ruled by radical Islamic Jihadists like Hamas ... dude, that is just absurd. That would be just as viable as religious minorities being able to live under ISIS rule!

Very interesting. Perhaps one day you will come around and see how vicious and murderous Israel is.

You have just stated that if the Jews don't run, they will fight. I can understand that. What do you think the Palestinians are doing when they don't run? Can you see their POV now?

It would not be mass murder if they are fighting, would it now? Mass murder is dropping indiscriminate weapons on populated areas. IDF does that.

Stop being so dramatic and using emotive language to support a fallacy.

It is not splitting hairs to distinguish between Zionist and other Jew. Stop using emotive language to push a fallacious point!

[Jingthing]

I don't know what you are on about. People who support Israel's right to defend herself against antisemitic genocidal terrorists are never going to agree with Hamas cheerleaders.

Speaking of attacks on Israel, when it rains, it pours. Now some are coming from the NORTH in Lebanon!

Stop perpetuating lies that come from the myths sprouted in propaganda!

Hamas are not antisemitic, nor are they genocidal or terrorists.

Granted they want to exterminate Zionists, but not all Jews are Zionist. Their charter makes this clear. Their charter makes it clear that, to quote from it, "... it is possible for the members of the three religions: Islam, Christianity and Judaism to coexist in safety and security...". That is NOT antisemitism.

If firing rockets at civilian populated areas is terrorism, then Israel via it's IDF is a much worse terrorist, sowing much more terror.

Hamas wants to "liberate" all of Israel and take it away from the Jews who have a state there -- ISRAEL. Israel is the manifestation of Zionism. What happens to the Jews then? If they don't run, they fight and of course the Jews will fight, so if Hamas wins, they get mass murdered -- genocide. You can try to split hairs with the Jew/Zionist thing but rational people are not fooled. If you are pushing a big lie that Israeli Jews can live in a new Palestinian state ruled by radical Islamic Jihadists like Hamas ... dude, that is just absurd. That would be just as viable as religious minorities being able to live under ISIS rule!

Very interesting. Perhaps one day you will come around and see how vicious and murderous Israel is.

You have just stated that if the Jews don't run, they will fight. I can understand that. What do you think the Palestinians are doing when they don't run? Can you see their POV now?

It would not be mass murder if they are fighting, would it now? Mass murder is dropping indiscriminate weapons on populated areas. IDF does that.

Stop being so dramatic and using emotive language to support a fallacy.

It is not splitting hairs to distinguish between Zionist and other Jew. Stop using emotive language to push a fallacious point!

Zionism and Israel are indistinguishable. Thus the Jews of Israel, except for a tiny minority that may be active anti-Zionists, are in actuality Zionists in the sense of their support of the existence of Israel.

I am fully aware that Israel demonization hides behind the more polite SOUNDING concept of anti-Zionism. But most Jews at least are not fooled and see a cover for what it is. These "polite" "anti-Zionists" want Israel to not exist, they don't think JEWISH PEOPLE specifically should be allowed to self determine in their one small state (while Arabs and Muslims have SEVERAL states that they dominate). This is a special kind of discriminatory attitude towards Jewish people specifically. That is not reasonable. It's hate actually.

Imagine if someone said Thai people don't deserve their own state.

You see, it's not Zionism that is racism but the opposite: ANTI-Zionism is the real racism.

As far as HAMAS in Gaza, one doesn't have to look hard to see actual explicit Jew hatred in their propaganda and rhetoric without even the need for the cover of so called anti-Zionism.

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[cheeryble]

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Can the UN order them to stop, fine them or send troops in to help the Palestine?

Tried it a lot of times Neeranam but were handcuffed by the US with it's Israeli lobby

http://www.phon.ucl.ac.uk/home/geoff/UNresolutions.htm

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[Thorgal]

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Can the UN order them to stop, fine them or send troops in to help the Palestine?

Tried it a lot of times Neeranam but were handcuffed by the US with it's Israeli lobby

http://www.phon.ucl.ac.uk/home/geoff/UNresolutions.htm

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Nowadays also difficult to find troops without weaponry, social and financial links to US and Israel...

[GentlemanJim]

I wonder - if a US or British school were taken over by terrorists who were firing from within its walls would everybody on here be saying - Bomb the school - send in an airstrike? "But what about the children? - 'Well the terrorists are using them as human shields - tough!

I just soooooo much doubt it.

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[Jingthing]

I wonder - if a US or British school were taken over by terrorists who were firing from within its walls would everybody on here be saying - Bomb the school - send in an airstrike? "But what about the children? - 'Well the terrorists are using them as human shields - tough!

I just soooooo much doubt it.

Oh please. What a ridiculous and irrelevant distortion.

Hamas rules ALL of Gaza.

Not just a school.

ALL of Gaza.

Yes the Gazan people voted for them and if they were allowed, maybe they would again, who knows.

The analogy is totally irrelevant to the actual situation.

[GentlemanJim]

I wonder - if a US or British school were taken over by terrorists who were firing from within its walls would everybody on here be saying - Bomb the school - send in an airstrike? "But what about the children? - 'Well the terrorists are using them as human shields - tough!

I just soooooo much doubt it.

Oh please. What a ridiculous and irrelevant distortion.

Hamas rules ALL of Gaza.

Not just a school.

ALL of Gaza.

Yes the Gazan people voted for them and if they were allowed, maybe they would again, who knows.

The analogy is totally irrelevant to the actual situation.

Ah the children voted for them did they. Kill the children for the sins of their fathers. I think the analogy is very relevant to the situation. The UN say the bombing of the school was criminal. Mind you when ever did Israel listen to the UN, apart from when they said "here have this land'. I guess to understand truly the gravity of the crime you need to be able to empathise as to what it would be like to lose a child.

[Jingthing]

I wonder - if a US or British school were taken over by terrorists who were firing from within its walls would everybody on here be saying - Bomb the school - send in an airstrike? "But what about the children? - 'Well the terrorists are using them as human shields - tough!

I just soooooo much doubt it.

Oh please. What a ridiculous and irrelevant distortion.

Hamas rules ALL of Gaza.

Not just a school.

ALL of Gaza.

Yes the Gazan people voted for them and if they were allowed, maybe they would again, who knows.

The analogy is totally irrelevant to the actual situation.

Ah the children voted for them did they. Kill the children for the sins of their fathers. I think the analogy is very relevant to the situation. The UN say the bombing of the school was criminal. Mind you when ever did Israel listen to the UN, apart from when they said "here have this land'. I guess to understand truly the gravity of the crime you need to be able to empathise as to what it would be like to lose a child.

Ignoring what I take to be a disgusting personal insinuation, I will just reply with a link quote:

http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/MY-WORD-Gaza-is-no-ghetto-371911

Israel is not indiscriminately bombarding Gaza (if it were, the casualties would of course be far higher during the period of fighting). It is making every effort to avoid hurting the civilian population. It is Hamas that has a deliberate policy of endangering its own population and using them as human shields.

It has even abused UN-affiliated schools, turning them into depots for arms and ammunition.

Every death of an innocent person is a tragedy, but that doesn’t automatically make it a war crime.

Edited August 27, 2014 by Jingthing

[Jay Sata]

Nero fiddled while Rome burned and the same goes for the Zionist apologists who are happy to use USA funded bombs and missiles

to inflict hardship on the bulk of the Gaza population who are innocent.

[Jingthing]

Nero fiddled while Rome burned and the same goes for the Zionist apologists who are happy to use USA funded bombs and missiles

to inflict hardship on the bulk of the Gaza population who are innocent.

Israel went after military targets.

The targets were largely in populated areas.

Mistakes were also made as happens in wartime.

Yes innocents always get hurt and killed in wartime.

Israel demonizers keep trying to make Zionist a dirty word.

Zionism is a political movement of self determination for the Jewish people manifested in the existence of Israel. Israel is as legitimate a nation as whatever nation you are from.

Your nation too would not tolerate thousands of incoming rockets and terror tunnels.

Your nation too would not tolerate a neighbor government dedicated to your nation's non-existence.

Edited August 27, 2014 by Jingthing

[GentlemanJim]

Oh please. What a ridiculous and irrelevant distortion.

Hamas rules ALL of Gaza.

Not just a school.

ALL of Gaza.

Yes the Gazan people voted for them and if they were allowed, maybe they would again, who knows.

The analogy is totally irrelevant to the actual situation.

Ah the children voted for them did they. Kill the children for the sins of their fathers. I think the analogy is very relevant to the situation. The UN say the bombing of the school was criminal. Mind you when ever did Israel listen to the UN, apart from when they said "here have this land'. I guess to understand truly the gravity of the crime you need to be able to empathise as to what it would be like to lose a child.

Ignoring what I take to be a disgusting personal insinuation, I will just reply with a link quote:

Can you point out where I have made a 'disgusting personal insinuation'?

you also say

Your nation too would not tolerate a neighbor government dedicated to your nation's non-existence.

Mmm, reflect on that one!

[Ulysses G.]

Hamas are not antisemitic, nor are they genocidal or terrorists.

The big LIE. They are all three and their charter makes that very clear.

"The Day of Judgment will not come until Muslims fight the Jews, when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say, 'O Muslims, O Abdullah, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him.' Only the Gharkad tree would not do that, because it is one of the trees of the Jews." [article 7]

[Ulysses G.]

Hamas wants to "liberate" all of Israel and take it away from the Jews who have a state there -- ISRAEL. Israel is the manifestation of Zionism. What happens to the Jews then? If they don't run, they fight and of course the Jews will fight, so if Hamas wins, they get mass murdered -- genocide. You can try to split hairs with the Jew/Zionist thing but rational people are not fooled.

Anti-Zionism IS anti-Semitism and the anti-Semites are not fooling anyone.

As for anti-Zionists claiming to be just anti-Zionist, but not anti-Semitic, this is nonsensical to anyone who knows what anti-Zionism is. Anti-Zionists are not just critical of Israels policies or actions (like the war with Gaza or the occupation); they believe that the State of Israel does not have a right to exist. They oppose Israels very existence and survival, yet do not oppose the existence and survival of any other country, including those with human rights records infinitely worse than Israels. As Irwin Cotler points out, the fact that Israel - the only Jewish country in the world - is singled out for this condemnation is inherently anti-Semitic.

http://www.haaretz.com/jewish-world/the-jewish-thinker/.premium-1.612817

[Thorgal]

Hamas wants to "liberate" all of Israel and take it away from the Jews who have a state there -- ISRAEL. Israel is the manifestation of Zionism. What happens to the Jews then? If they don't run, they fight and of course the Jews will fight, so if Hamas wins, they get mass murdered -- genocide. You can try to split hairs with the Jew/Zionist thing but rational people are not fooled.

Anti-Zionism IS anti-Semitism and the anti-Semites are not fooling anyone.

As for anti-Zionists claiming to be just anti-Zionist, but not anti-Semitic, this is nonsensical to anyone who knows what anti-Zionism is. Anti-Zionists are not just critical of Israels policies or actions (like the war with Gaza or the occupation); they believe that the State of Israel does not have a right to exist. They oppose Israels very existence and survival, yet do not oppose the existence and survival of any other country, including those with human rights records infinitely worse than Israels. As Irwin Cotler points out, the fact that Israel - the only Jewish country in the world - is singled out for this condemnation is inherently anti-Semitic.

http://www.haaretz.com/jewish-world/the-jewish-thinker/.premium-1.612817

Haaretz was first published in 1918 and sponsored by the British military government in Palestine.

In 1919 is was taken over by a socialist oriented Zionist group from Russia.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haaretz

Salman Schoken, a wealthy German Jewish Zionist who owned a chain of department stores in Germany bought the newspaper in 1937. Schoken co founded the Zionist journal Der Jude in Germany. His son became chief editor of Haaretz in 1939 and kept that position till 1990.

Another son, Gideon Schoken became Haganah fighter and later a general and the head of the Manpower Dictorate of the IDF.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salman_Schocken

Do you expect objectivity from this newspaper for the Gaza war ?

Edited August 28, 2014 by Thorgal

[Ulysses G.]

Do you expect objectivity from this newspaper for the Gaza war ?

You are kidding right? You missed this somehow in YOUR link:

It is known for its staunch left-liberal stance on domestic and foreign issues.

The Israel-bashers quote from it all the time - when it supports their agenda.

[Ulysses G.]

It is interesting how every single source is "suspect", unless it says what you want it to say, in which case, very questionable, unsubstantiated YouTube videos, Jewish publications and anything else are just fine.

Edited August 28, 2014 by Ulysses G.

[Thorgal]

It is interesting how every single source is "suspect", unless it says what you want it to say, in which case, very questionable, unsubstantiated YouTube videos, Jewish publications and anything else are just fine.

In your post #666 you added 4 video's :

1st video : Hamas : human shield confession :

Was uploaded on 18th of March 2008

2nd video : Hamas using children as human shield 1

Was uploaded on 2nd of January 2009

3rd video : Hamas using children as human shield 2

Was uploaded on 12 of January 2009

4th video : A soldiers account from Gaza : Hamas used human shields

Uploaded on 24 th of Aughust 2014 after Netanyahu forced US politicians and AIPAC members to vote against UN and ICC

OP highlighted the criminal acts of Israel by bombing a school with no military reasons.

Why turning the truth by showing biased previous war footage ?

[Scott]

Off-topic,inflammatory posts and replies have been deleted.

[Ulysses G.]

Why turning the truth by showing biased previous war footage ?

You claimed there was no evidence of Hamas using human shields and I provided some. Stop being pedantic. These are ALL from 2014 - like it makes any difference - and there are LOTS more.

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/07/hamas-caught-using-civilians-as-human-shields-in-gaza

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[Thorgal]

Why turning the truth by showing biased previous war footage ?

You claimed there was no evidence of Hamas using human shields and I provided some. Stop being pedantic. These are ALL from 2014 - like it makes any difference - and there are LOTS MORE.

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/07/hamas-caught-using-civilians-as-human-shields-in-gaza

Palestinian Media Watch is an Israeli 'non'-governemental media watchdog. Founded in 1996 by Israeli political activist Itamar Marcus and former vice president of the Central Fund of Israel, an American non-profit association who funds projects in Israel for Israeli pro-settler groups. Originally from New York, he now lives -illigal- in the Israeli settlement of Efrat in the Palestinian West. Bank.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_Media_Watch

ICTV is a part from Herzliya United Studios. Founded by Margot Klausner. A Berlin born devout Zionist who emigrated in 1932 to Palestine. United Studios owns 9 digital studios.

http://via.lib.harvard.edu/via/deliver/deepcontent?recordId=olvwork464610

Again, from the OP a school was bombed with civilian casualities.

Do you expect objectivity from biased Israeli media ?

Edited August 28, 2014 by Thorgal

[Ulysses G.]

You nitpick about EVERY source of any type that does not say what you want them to say. Who do you think you are fooling?

[dr_lucas]

UG, the guy is just trolling and you play along...

following his same logic, all these sources constantly being quoted by his Israeli defamation gang:

haaretz is owned by Zionist Israeli and Jewish members - biased & not objective

AlJazeera is owned by Qatar (which funds & supports Hamas) - biased & not objective

Youtube is owned by Google (which is owned by Jews) - biased & not objective

Google is owned by Jews - biased & not objective

B'tselem NGO is owned by Zionist Israelis - biased & not objective

And I can go on and on

Let's just all stop quoting every single source because it's seems that nobody is objective and anything that shows Israel in a shred of positive light or being honest or shows Hamas in a negative light is a biased Israeli propaganda, for him.

When the facts are impossible to refute, they start searching for ways to discredit the sources.

Nice strategy, but won't work as it indeed doesn't fool anyone, Hamas friends.

[Ulysses G.]

UG, the guy is just trolling and you play along...

Of course, but I enjoy pointing out how dishonest so many of the Israel-bashers are and pointing out these kind of ruses provides lots of opportunities.

[Thorgal]

All these threads start the same way, an alleged crime by Israel resulting in a circle jerk of the usual suspects repeating ad-nauseum the same old discredited allegations maybe in the off chance they will sway the opinion of any passing reader who has not the time or inclination to delve deeply into the issue.

Never does a thread start with Hamas being accused of anything, though their crimes and evidence of their guilt are so much easier to demonstrate. It is high time Hamas leaders were held accountable for their actions and perhaps the UN, NATO, the ICC etc should go after the Hamas leaders as this might encourage them to moderate their behavior.

http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/4646/hamas-war-crimes

Gatestone Institute was founded in 2012 by Nina Rosenwald. In 2003 she was a receipient of the Louis Brandeis award given by the Zionist Organization of America for her pro-Israel advocacy.

Her family fund has given financial support to two Israeli settlements in the disputed Palestinian territory of the West Bank. It also donates to the Central Fund of Israel, a New York based NGO which reportedly supports serves as a major vehicle for the transfer of American donations to hard-core settlements on the West Bank.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gatestone_Institute

Again, do you expect objectivity from Gatestone Institute when IDF is bombing civilians in schools ?

Edited August 28, 2014 by Thorgal

[Ulysses G.]

Gatestone Institute was founded in 2012 by Nina Rosenwald.

That sounds like a Jewish name. Can't believe her.

[Seastallion]

Lying is the national sport in the middle earth.

...but wait...it's also sanctioned in the Koran

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/quran/011-taqiyya.htm

http://www.islam-watch.org/warner/taqiyya-islamic-principle-lying-for-allah.htm

I've read The Lord of the Rings trilogy, and seen the movies. Also read the Silmarillion. I don't recall any mention of lying being a sport.

By the way, Middle Earth is comprised of many nations so it can hardly be "the national sport". Elves and hobbits strike me as being quite honest actually.

I daresay this is not your only reference to fantasy.

Present a liberal with facts and he talks bs.

The 'middle earth' thing, was an oblique reference to Sacha Baron Cohen's hilarious movie, Bruno.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tihMVlNb76A

Lying is the national sport of the middle earth is a fact?? C'mon! get real. Besides you knew I was being facetious.

Your Bruno reference I missed but is very good.

[Seastallion]

UG, the guy is just trolling and you play along...

following his same logic, all these sources constantly being quoted by his Israeli defamation gang:

haaretz is owned by Zionist Israeli and Jewish members - biased & not objective

AlJazeera is owned by Qatar (which funds & supports Hamas) - biased & not objective

Youtube is owned by Google (which is owned by Jews) - biased & not objective

Google is owned by Jews - biased & not objective

B'tselem NGO is owned by Zionist Israelis - biased & not objective

And I can go on and on

Let's just all stop quoting every single source because it's seems that nobody is objective and anything that shows Israel in a shred of positive light or being honest or shows Hamas in a negative light is a biased Israeli propaganda, for him.

When the facts are impossible to refute, they start searching for ways to discredit the sources.

Nice strategy, but won't work as it indeed doesn't fool anyone, Hamas friends.

Wow, there really is a lot of biased and unobjective material on the web. That doesn't make biased and unobjective reports reliable, nor does it make them "proof". If the only material that paints Israel in a positive light is biased, then the logical conclusion would be that there may indeed be very little positive to say about Israel.

Accusing someone of trolling just because he can consistantly prove your sources are biased is not a convincing tactic to get him to stop.

Saying "Lets just stop uncovering the truth about biased sources.." is simply running away from the truth.

You're basically saying, "Stop showing us we're wrong", we don't like it.

Here's an idea....how about quoting sources that are reliable to prove your points?

[dr_lucas]

UG, the guy is just trolling and you play along...

following his same logic, all these sources constantly being quoted by his Israeli defamation gang:

haaretz is owned by Zionist Israeli and Jewish members - biased & not objective

AlJazeera is owned by Qatar (which funds & supports Hamas) - biased & not objective

Youtube is owned by Google (which is owned by Jews) - biased & not objective

Google is owned by Jews - biased & not objective

B'tselem NGO is owned by Zionist Israelis - biased & not objective

And I can go on and on

Let's just all stop quoting every single source because it's seems that nobody is objective and anything that shows Israel in a shred of positive light or being honest or shows Hamas in a negative light is a biased Israeli propaganda, for him.

When the facts are impossible to refute, they start searching for ways to discredit the sources.

Nice strategy, but won't work as it indeed doesn't fool anyone, Hamas friends.

Wow, there really is a lot of biased and unobjective material on the web. That doesn't make biased and unobjective reports reliable, nor does it make them "proof". If the only material that paints Israel in a positive light is biased, then the logical conclusion would be that there may indeed be very little positive to say about Israel.

Accusing someone of trolling just because he can consistantly prove your sources are biased is not a convincing tactic to get him to stop.

Saying "Lets just stop uncovering the truth about biased sources.." is simply running away from the truth.

You're basically saying, "Stop showing us we're wrong", we don't like it.

Here's an idea....how about quoting sources that are reliable to prove your points?

Wow, talking about reading miscomprehension and usual-twisting.

I am basically saying "Stop telling us our sources are wrong when you are basically using similar or same sources when it's convenient for you".

[Thorgal]

Yes, I agree...This really is shameful.

http://themuslimissue.wordpress.com/2014/08/01/hamas-terrorist-hangs-position-kids-on-a-fence-in-front-of-a-house-to-ensure-the-idf-will-not-strike-the-building/

That photo is shocking, but appears to be typical Hamas.

Hamas terrorist position kids on a fence in front of a house to ensure the #IDF will not strike the building

http://themuslimissue.wordpress.com/2014/08/01/hamas-terrorist-hangs-position-kids-on-a-fence-in-front-of-a-house-to-ensure-the-idf-will-not-strike-the-building/

When was this picture posted the first time on the net ?

What kind of website is this : The Muslim Issue ?

Edited August 28, 2014 by Thorgal