Thaiready Posted August 8, 2014 Share Posted August 8, 2014 Oooops. This is the 3Rd crane I have seen toppled over. I thought they were supposed to calculate things so they don't tip over? Calculate.....your joking right......using Common Sense also a joke. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsailor35 Posted August 8, 2014 Share Posted August 8, 2014 ZigZagMan, on 08 Aug 2014 - 08:46, said: Oooops. This is the 3Rd crane I have seen toppled over. I thought they were supposed to calculate things so they don't tip over? No one actually trains them. Probably self taught, after all if one learned to ride a Honda Click at the age of 9 then one can drive anything ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsailor35 Posted August 8, 2014 Share Posted August 8, 2014 I have seen it yesterday on Thai TV they said rain too much wind too much! Well there's your answer, easy innit ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soihok Posted August 8, 2014 Share Posted August 8, 2014 Lifting plans are pretty straight forward to do for lifts done using only one crane, the most difficult aspect I have found is the assessment of the ground condition. If in doubt, always over engineer it. Tandem lifts can be more complicated. Most large cranes are fitted with an Anemometer to measure wind speed, normal safe working practice quotes that lifting works be suspended during heavy rain. Human error is almost always to blame. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucjoker Posted August 8, 2014 Share Posted August 8, 2014 A toppling crane (also a tree ,high chimney ......) falls rather slow at the base and more rapidly on the top. But it was 50 m high ! Is there no time to stop when you are driving towards it ? Looks as if the drivers did not see it happening ,there are no tire marks ,no braking at all ? Luckily not a lot of traffic . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LennyW Posted August 8, 2014 Share Posted August 8, 2014 I wondered what held me up for 5 hours last night!! Nasty! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sena Dave Posted August 8, 2014 Share Posted August 8, 2014 We went past that section last week and the cranes and piling Rigs are feet from the passing traffic . If he fell over he was lifting too heavy and no liff analysis was done. I've working in construction in Asia for 12 years and this unnecessary rubbish happens frequently. It is very much to do with corruption and the incompetence of safety as well as quality officials the job is sold to the cheapest subby with no safety clauses or bubget for safety in the contract. I'd like to see the Risk matrix of Hazard analysis if there was one done . They will never learn 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pattaya28 Posted August 8, 2014 Share Posted August 8, 2014 Unbelievable how an accident like this happens day in day out. And is addressed by no-one. And we all know why this happened. Shouldn't affect Pattayas' good image though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deacon Bell Posted August 8, 2014 Share Posted August 8, 2014 Happens in every country. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starky Posted August 8, 2014 Share Posted August 8, 2014 There is no ballast weight fitted to the crane, the jib was over extended for what ever weight he was lifting, rear riggers set up to close to the edge of the excavation, even if the ballast weight had been fitted that embankment would have failed reducing in the same result. Waste of life due to some idiot in a crane who did not have the experience or interest to set it up correctly.. RIP Spoken like a true crane driver. I imagine, though I am only speculating that most of these "operators" don't have licences to operate, have high risk licences and think Sparrows is a bunch of birds. I doubt there are many professional crane operators in the LOS I have been working as an offshore crane ops for 15 years and some of the stuff I have seen in Thailand on site just boggles the mind. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cloudhopper Posted August 8, 2014 Share Posted August 8, 2014 [attachment=278439:things-dont-always-go-wrong-but-when-they-do-its-in-thailand.jpg] 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rimmer Posted August 8, 2014 Share Posted August 8, 2014 One unnecessary flame removed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nemesis7 Posted August 8, 2014 Share Posted August 8, 2014 Accident ....Destiny ....what ever we may call but it's shocking too, sorry for the terrible loss of a life and for the poor passengers who got injured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spidermike007 Posted August 8, 2014 Share Posted August 8, 2014 Calculating is not their strong point. What can one do when one doesn't have enough fingers and toes to make a correct calculation. you are spot on there,yesterday my wife needed a calculator to work out 500 multiplied by 10,she couldn't understand why i had a fit of laughter. They were never taught how to use simple shortcuts like adding a zero. My wowan was having a hard time with basic math. I spend 10 minutes teaching her how to move the decimal and use short cuts in her head. She figured it out. Quickly and easily. Granted, she is razor sharp. But, she said none of her teachers had ever taught her anything like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spidermike007 Posted August 8, 2014 Share Posted August 8, 2014 Lifting plans are pretty straight forward to do for lifts done using only one crane, the most difficult aspect I have found is the assessment of the ground condition. If in doubt, always over engineer it. Tandem lifts can be more complicated. Most large cranes are fitted with an Anemometer to measure wind speed, normal safe working practice quotes that lifting works be suspended during heavy rain. Human error is almost always to blame. You sound intelligent. You sound like you care. You sound experienced in what you do. What is the miracle here is that more of these kinds of accidents do not happen. Makes one wonder. Maybe this will lead to immigration allowing people like you to work legally in Thailand. An admission of sorts that we are dropping the ball? Screwing up too often? Letting people die? Under trained? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Beale Posted August 8, 2014 Share Posted August 8, 2014 Crane driver didn't run away afterwards ? must of injured his legs in the toppling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newermonkey Posted August 9, 2014 Share Posted August 9, 2014 These van driver are always driving too fast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soihok Posted August 9, 2014 Share Posted August 9, 2014 Lifting plans are pretty straight forward to do for lifts done using only one crane, the most difficult aspect I have found is the assessment of the ground condition. If in doubt, always over engineer it. Tandem lifts can be more complicated. Most large cranes are fitted with an Anemometer to measure wind speed, normal safe working practice quotes that lifting works be suspended during heavy rain. Human error is almost always to blame. You sound intelligent. You sound like you care. You sound experienced in what you do. What is the miracle here is that more of these kinds of accidents do not happen. Makes one wonder. Maybe this will lead to immigration allowing people like you to work legally in Thailand. An admission of sorts that we are dropping the ball? Screwing up too often? Letting people die? Under trained? Thanks for that. Its all about proper training, safe working practice and guidance. My profession is in tunnel construction, using Tunnel Boring Machines. I would welcome a project in Thailand as it would help with my wife being closer to her family, as it is I am finishing my contract after successfully completing about 5 km's of tunnels on the up coming new MRT network under Kuala Lumpur. Will be moving back to Singapore soon to over see 9 x TBM's, Singapore can't get enough tunnels. Planning and executing lifts are part of my job. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soutpeel Posted August 9, 2014 Share Posted August 9, 2014 I doubt there are many professional crane operators in the LOS I have been working as an offshore crane ops for 15 years and some of the stuff I have seen in Thailand on site just boggles the mind. there are quite a few in Thailand doing exactly what you do and are damn good at... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soutpeel Posted August 9, 2014 Share Posted August 9, 2014 Lifting plans are pretty straight forward to do for lifts done using only one crane, the most difficult aspect I have found is the assessment of the ground condition. If in doubt, always over engineer it. Tandem lifts can be more complicated. Most large cranes are fitted with an Anemometer to measure wind speed, normal safe working practice quotes that lifting works be suspended during heavy rain. Human error is almost always to blame. You sound intelligent. You sound like you care. You sound experienced in what you do. What is the miracle here is that more of these kinds of accidents do not happen. Makes one wonder. Maybe this will lead to immigration allowing people like you to work legally in Thailand. An admission of sorts that we are dropping the ball? Screwing up too often? Letting people die? Under trained? There are people like him working legally in Thailand and involved in much bigger lifts than 700MT on a regular basis, you basing your comments on what has happened in a few accidents in a specific sector and imply its the same across the country in all industries, its not. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reggae rancher Posted August 9, 2014 Share Posted August 9, 2014 LOK well said!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petercool Posted August 9, 2014 Share Posted August 9, 2014 post using just quotes removed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rimmer Posted August 9, 2014 Share Posted August 9, 2014 UPDATE Crane Driver Meets Police CHONBURI – August 8, 2014 [Pattaya Daily News];- Pol.Lt.Col.Pornchai Plungsiritham-inspector of the highway police-said that a crane driver had met with him to acknowledge the allegations of causing a fatal accident whilst operating a crane. The police officers have also summoned all the injured but they needed to wait for the foreigners because they needed to travel back to their countries. It’s expected that the case will be finished by the end of the month. The driver would initially be charged of driving recklessly causing injury and death to others. Mr.Kan Promsith-the crane truck driver employed by Sang Arun Ltd.- said that the accident occurred at 04.30 am as he was lifting an iron grille onto the bridge FULL STORY:http://www.pattayadailynews.com/pattaya-news/crane-driver-meets-police/ [pan]2014-08-09[/pan] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soihok Posted August 9, 2014 Share Posted August 9, 2014 Very sad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balance Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 Oooops. This is the 3Rd crane I have seen toppled over. I thought they were supposed to calculate things so they don't tip over? Calculate? You are joking, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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