New German bakery/cafe Jomtien 2nd road

[Awohalitsiktoli]

As for professional bakeries, I doubt that they get their core produce from Makro. It is just not the right stuff most of the time. The German bakery in Nonkhai and others source their supplies from here: http://www.choco-schmidt.com/food.php If you look at what they offer you will see that they offer quality flour but also a lot of "mixes", "improvers" and similar stuff. No self-respecting baker would use these and you taste it. It is more work to do a proper sour dough bread and it takes also longer to produce a wheat bread without the mixes. This is what you pay the extra for. No chemicals, high-quality flour that costs more than the junk mostly used in the US and, no offense intended, also sadly in the UK. One cannot compare the breakfast toasted bread with a say a black bread.

Of course you are right about the bread flour. No one would suggest otherwise.

Makro does sell some standard white bread flour but it certainly doesnt have the range that a specialised supplier would carry. A proper baker would want these, as you point out. Makro does have several types of baker's yeast though, sold in catering sized packs (I buy that and keep it in the fridge, and I get my organic bread flour from Central, imported from Waitrose in the UK at huge cost).

When I mentioned Makro I was referring to the standard ingredients used by all restaurants: fresh produce, meat, fish, common seasonings and oils, sauces and condiments, tinned and frozen imported items etc. As far as I know most establishments in Pattaya use Makro for these. I've also seen people from local farang food manufacturers (pie-makers etc) buying items there.

I suspect that Back Fabrik also gets these to make their meals with, even if the flour for the bread that goes with it comes from elsewhere. That's why I maintain that there will be little difference, if any, in the basic ingredients of the entire breakfast they do when compared to other places.

I have no problem with Makro ingredients and products and generally offer a good value. The Makro concept parallels the big wholesalers in America like Costco, give the small mom and pop stores, the independents a fighting chance to be competitive. But high end restaurants, the big hotels, etc have their own specialty suppliers. The high end restaurants have their own suppliers of fruits and vegetables, organic, pesticide free. The food quality between Took lae Dee and Back Fabrik was like night and day, any objective person could taste the difference. The scrambled eggs at BF added seasonings and I could taste the butter/cream. Actually I am a person who prefers toast to fresh breads as served at BF. Of course, there was the ubiquitous hard, continental/German style, tennis ball sized bread roll which I skipped. If I was to throw one these at the police back in my Vietnam War protest days I would have been arrested for assault with a deadly weapon.

I will go back to Hotel Danmark since I am told I can have my eggs, bacon, ham prepared for me at my discretion. Since Took lae Dee has raised the bar so high I hope they can measure up.

Just a quick comment about Hotel Danmark. Yes, they will cook you whatever you want in terms of eggs, omelettes, etc. I often get the bell peppers from the salad bar, some fried potatoes, and cheese and ask the girl behind the counter to make me an omelette with those items, along with chopped bacon. And that is what she does, with a smile Danmark has good bacon. They also have some European style sausages (three types) and some cold cuts, like salami or something similar. I ate there this morning and it was very good and packed with customers, mostly Europeans, but there were at least three people from the USA there. Now, if they only made homemade hash brown potatoes or the Swiss version of homemade hash browns (can't have everything).

[Mojomor]

Not trying to be pedantic etc, but the Swiss Rosti is the original Hash Brown, and was around a long time before Chris discovered America.

Check out the French word Hache!

[KittenKong]

Just a quick comment about Hotel Danmark. Yes, they will cook you whatever you want in terms of eggs, omelettes, etc. I often get the bell peppers from the salad bar, some fried potatoes, and cheese and ask the girl behind the counter to make me an omelette with those items, along with chopped bacon. And that is what she does, with a smile

Worth knowing. The staff certainly are very pleasant there.

Now, if they only made homemade hash brown potatoes or the Swiss version of homemade hash browns (can't have everything).

What is wrong with the fried potato dish they do there? I've never really understood the intricacies of hash browns so I don't know if that qualifies, but it tastes nice enough to me.

[rice555]

Not trying to be pedantic etc, but the Swiss Rosti is the original Hash Brown, and was around a long time before Chris discovered America.

Check out the French word Hache!

Spuds come from The New World, AFTER Chris. Was it turnip or something else

maybe? They were domesticated 7-10,000 years ago in South America. OLD World,

only 400+ years.

rice555

[Awohalitsiktoli]

Just a quick comment about Hotel Danmark. Yes, they will cook you whatever you want in terms of eggs, omelettes, etc. I often get the bell peppers from the salad bar, some fried potatoes, and cheese and ask the girl behind the counter to make me an omelette with those items, along with chopped bacon. And that is what she does, with a smile

Worth knowing. The staff certainly are very pleasant there.

Now, if they only made homemade hash brown potatoes or the Swiss version of homemade hash browns (can't have everything).

What is wrong with the fried potato dish they do there? I've never really understood the intricacies of hash browns so I don't know if that qualifies, but it tastes nice enough to me.

Nothing is wrong with their potato dish. The Swiss Rosti/American hashbrown potato dish is a version that many "Americans" like--it is a common breakfast item that we miss (no, the fried hash brown potatoes are not the same and are, in fact, terrible). To make it right, you have to make it from scratch. Given that Danmark is catering to mostly Europeans, I would think that the Swiss Rosti version of hash browns would be a hit and not a miss.

[CarlTyson]

Just a quick comment about Hotel Danmark. Yes, they will cook you whatever you want in terms of eggs, omelettes, etc. I often get the bell peppers from the salad bar, some fried potatoes, and cheese and ask the girl behind the counter to make me an omelette with those items, along with chopped bacon. And that is what she does, with a smile

Worth knowing. The staff certainly are very pleasant there.

Now, if they only made homemade hash brown potatoes or the Swiss version of homemade hash browns (can't have everything).

What is wrong with the fried potato dish they do there? I've never really understood the intricacies of hash browns so I don't know if that qualifies, but it tastes nice enough to me.

Nothing is wrong with their potato dish. The Swiss Rosti/American hashbrown potato dish is a version that many "Americans" like--it is a common breakfast item that we miss (no, the fried hash brown potatoes are not the same and are, in fact, terrible). To make it right, you have to make it from scratch. Given that Danmark is catering to mostly Europeans, I would think that the Swiss Rosti version of hash browns would be a hit and not a miss.

Beyond the skill level of minimum wage staff. Lots of work too.

That's why you don't see hash browns.

[sparkey]

Out of interest

Anyone ever seen. Bubble & squeak on. B/F menu over here

[Mojomor]

Out of interest

Anyone ever seen. Bubble & squeak on. B/F menu over here

Pig and whistle had something like it. Maybe it's not on the menu and you have to ask.

[lou62]

Back Fabrik is a nice venue to visit, (I live in JBC so next door) I enjoyed my breakfast their. Good ingredients and the air con at a nice temperature.

Prefer Iss Was, 300 yards off Soi Wat Boon though, German resto and cheaper for similar quality. Actually all the meals are good that I've had their.

Edited December 12, 2014 by lou62

[KittenKong]

Prefer Iss Was, 300 yards off Soi Wat Boon though, German resto and cheaper for similar quality. Actually all the meals are good that I've had their.

That's a place I've driven past a few times and have always meant to go to. I must make more of an effort.

[balo]

Back Fabrik is a nice venue to visit, (I live in JBC so next door) I enjoyed my breakfast their. Good ingredients and the air con at a nice temperature.

Prefer Iss Was, 300 yards off Soi Wat Boon though, German resto and cheaper for similar quality. Actually all the meals are good that I've had their.

Yes, this is something that needs to be checked out. I found their german website here.

Daily German dishes for 99 baht looks promising .

iss-was.pytalhost.de/?page_id=132

[ThaiBob]

The pictures of Swiss, English and American breakfasts look interesting. All listed at only 125 baht. Unfortunately the location is out of the way for most people.

Edited December 13, 2014 by ThaiBob

[CarlTyson]

ISS WAS moved from Jomtien Beach Rd. / Soi 5, to Soi WatBoon. (Landlord had jacked up the rent I heard.)

Drive up Soi WatBoon towards Sukhumvit and make the last left turn before Sukhumvit, I believe.

The 99Bt schnitzel is the deal of the century.

[bobbin]

Yes it's a good deal, considering Back Fabrik sells their take-away precooked schnitzel for 59 baht! Then you have to take it home and make the rest of the meal yourself!

Poor guy got screwed like so many others trying to do business in Pattaya. I stopped by there just a few days after he opened at the present location. He felt it was a nice quiet (and cheaper) location. Within a few days, that quiet side road became the detour for the sewer construction on Soi Watboon. Nothing but tandem-trailer 10 wheelers and car after car speeding past his "quiet" location....

It;s back to being quiet now and worth stopping by. He is also baking bread there, though I think Back Fabrik has the edge there.

[onemorechang]

Don’t understand your idea of a quiet location at the start or being screwed

Its on a 6 lane highway, with cars doing 140 plus all day long down it.

Accidents every other day.

Are we talking about the same location ?

Or do you have a hearing problem ?

Very funny

Edited December 13, 2014 by Rimmer

[bobbin]

Don’t understand your idea of a quiet location at the start or being screwed

Its on a 6 lane highway, with cars doing 140 plus all day long down it.

Accidents every other day.

Are we talking about the same location ?

Or do you have a hearing problem ?

Very funny

No, you have a comprehension problem....

Even funnier

[onemorechang]

sorry, yes is see.

[Michaelaway]

Back Fabrik is a nice venue to visit, (I live in JBC so next door) I enjoyed my breakfast their. Good ingredients and the air con at a nice temperature.

Prefer Iss Was, 300 yards off Soi Wat Boon though, German resto and cheaper for similar quality. Actually all the meals are good that I've had their.

Yes, this is something that needs to be checked out. I found their german website here.

Daily German dishes for 99 baht looks promising .

iss-was.pytalhost.de/?page_id=132

Looks like a very good deal! FYI, not far from ISS, you can get a very big schnitzel with fried potatoes and big salad for 169 baht at Villa Germania... and it's delicious!

[boldface]

We went there when it was just open. Very good indeed however the aircon was pitiful and being a hot day we didn't enjoy the experience. Busy dirty road or steaming hot inside. Products very good though.

[CarlTyson]

i was at Back Fabrik German Bakery/Cafe and it looks like he is doing OK.

I counted 11 people having breakfast and about 10 stopping in for bakery goods.

Hard work pays off.

[ThaiSanookGuy]

How do croissant and chocolate bread compare with the French bakery sold at most supermarkets ?