Sin Sod when parents have passed away

[krisb]

Why do you want to give money away...?

Thousands of falangs give away billions of baht every year. Look how many threads are started here and how many posters defend the paying of sinsod.

How many clowns do you know that pay sinsod for their wife who has previously been married or has children?

But but it's about respecting their culture...ka ching.

[krisb]

Sin Sod is an old business transaction. The parents created the asset, the asset then works with the family and provides financial security for the family as well as taking care of the family effort.

Those days are gone. Daughters leave home and and no longer contribute to the family.

If the parents are deceased there is no longer a reason to pay for services rendered to the parents.H

The brothers and sisters did not create the asset, therefore they are not entitled to sin sod.

Times change.

Stated another "expert" who thinks he arrogantly knows everything there is to know about this even though he isn't a Thai and has only read a few things on TV but is now the self-confessed Oracle.

Actually he's not far from being spot on imo.

Don't feel bad if you paid sin sod. It's your money after all.

[AnotherOneAmerican]

Had a similar situ a few years ago. My wife's neice had been orphaned & we stood in as the parents, accepted the sinsot and promptly turned it over to the happy newlyweds. It's not unusual, by the way, to give the sinsot to the bride as a nest egg (not the groom: remember, the women control the wealth, land, inheritance & the couple lives with the girl's family). Some of the relatives were a bit upset that we didn't share with them, since they'd had a significant hand in raising the girl.

BTW, expecting sinsot for a girl that's previously been married/had children is highly questionable among Thais.

Very strange idea here "the women control the wealth", that just isn't true.

Until fairly recently, Thai women owned nothing.

When they married, all their assets, and them became the property of their husband.

If someone has been telling you women control the wealth, that's an outright lie.

http://berkleycenter.georgetown.edu/letters/women-of-northeast-thailand-privilege-and-obligation

In the family structure, daughters are preferred over sons and they receive the advantage in terms of property rights in Northeastern Thailand. Each daughter inherits part of the familys land while sons inherit mobile capital like buffaloes and cattle.

Being a Northern Thai male.

I can say quite definitely, I inherited the farm (last year), no cattle involved.

Current Thai law divides equally between all children, unless a will specifies different.

[thaibeachlovers]

Why do you want to give money away...?

Thousands of falangs give away billions of baht every year. Look how many threads are started here and how many posters defend the paying of sinsod.

How many clowns do you know that pay sinsod for their wife who has previously been married or has children?

But but it's about respecting their culture...ka ching.

Why should I respect the culture of a people that don't want me to stay here long time and make it as difficult as possible to do so.

If I respected Thai culture, I'd have to give money to the family and the layabout idle nephew, and I'll do that NEVER.

Far as taking shoes off in the house and not pointing soles of feet at people etc, I'll do that, as just being polite.

[Strangebrew]

Look way I see it why buy the cow if your getting the milk for free Sin sod if it were asked of me I would say in my family we charge stud service 20 million baht please.

[rgs2001uk]

Why do you want to give money away...?

Thousands of falangs give away billions of baht every year. Look how many threads are started here and how many posters defend the paying of sinsod.

How many clowns do you know that pay sinsod for their wife who has previously been married or has children?

But but it's about respecting their culture...ka ching.

Why should I respect the culture of a people that don't want me to stay here long time and make it as difficult as possible to do so.

If I respected Thai culture, I'd have to give money to the family and the layabout idle nephew, and I'll do that NEVER.

Far as taking shoes off in the house and not pointing soles of feet at people etc, I'll do that, as just being polite.

Why wouldnt they ewant you to stay here long time?

Jeez for a married man Thailand must be one of the easiest countries to live in, as difficult as possible, I will take your word for it.

My experiences at CW in Bkk differ from yours, takes about 20 minutes once per year.

Wifes id and tabian baan, wedding certificate, bank statement and letter from bank, copy of passport, photo and 1,900 baht.

Perfectly straightforward and easy, no one trying to catch any one out, just officers going by the very simple rules.

Try getting your mrs to your country and then come back here and complain about Thailand.

Many farang should be grateful Thailand doesnt introduce reciprocal arangements for farang.

Eg a Brit will be treated the same way the UK treats Thais, Australians will be treated the same way Australia treat Thais, etc etc, you get the picture.

Why the heck should you be giving money to some idle nephew?

As one married to a Thai, neither I nor my wife give ANY money to her family.

[sae57]

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Almost forgot: If the husband has a job & brings in wages, he turns them all over to his wife on payday, then asks for cigarette & whiskey money. Fairly strictly observed.

As someone who lives in Bkk, what you describe is like something form a different country or era.

Most of the Thai couples I know of, either the girl goes to the husbands family house or the newly marrieds get a place of their own.

Good gawd man these days most Thais I know of are paid electronically and they are the provider, they aint handing money over on pay day.

Example, one guy controls everything, pays all the bills, school fees etc, gives his mrs 8,000 baht per month pocket money.

Another guy, his father owns his house and car, if the marriage goes tits up there is nothing to split because the guys owns nothing, and will only own via inheritance laws, which means again the girl will have no claim on inherited property.

If you are talking about alcoholic upcountry labourers paid daily, yes I agree it makes sense for the wife to take control.

Yup Different world! I suspect too, that most of the people you know are Chinese. Tho Isan folks in BKK follow their own customs pretty much. Know a Khon Kaen woman who married a BKK Chinese--no sinsot & when he died she got very little of his fortune (I don't think they ever formalized the marriage). I also know a Roiet woman in BKK married to a Chinese. She tells people "of course I'm rich. I'm married to a Chinese! They're dirt poor. The custom of giving the wife your wages isn't just drunken laborers (tho it certainly does make sense there!), but a strong custom regardless of sobriety. Wife's brother in law, dishonest thugish (but sober) taxi driver does this. My wife asked why he doesn't keep back cigarette money--"But, but that would violate our culture!" A sort of map of differing customs in Thailand would be interesting and informative (for one thing to counter the myth of "Thainess")

[thaibeachlovers]

Thousands of falangs give away billions of baht every year. Look how many threads are started here and how many posters defend the paying of sinsod.

How many clowns do you know that pay sinsod for their wife who has previously been married or has children?

But but it's about respecting their culture...ka ching.

Why should I respect the culture of a people that don't want me to stay here long time and make it as difficult as possible to do so.

If I respected Thai culture, I'd have to give money to the family and the layabout idle nephew, and I'll do that NEVER.

Far as taking shoes off in the house and not pointing soles of feet at people etc, I'll do that, as just being polite.

Why wouldnt they ewant you to stay here long time?

Jeez for a married man Thailand must be one of the easiest countries to live in, as difficult as possible, I will take your word for it.

My experiences at CW in Bkk differ from yours, takes about 20 minutes once per year.

Wifes id and tabian baan, wedding certificate, bank statement and letter from bank, copy of passport, photo and 1,900 baht.

Perfectly straightforward and easy, no one trying to catch any one out, just officers going by the very simple rules.

Try getting your mrs to your country and then come back here and complain about Thailand.

Many farang should be grateful Thailand doesnt introduce reciprocal arangements for farang.

Eg a Brit will be treated the same way the UK treats Thais, Australians will be treated the same way Australia treat Thais, etc etc, you get the picture.

Why the heck should you be giving money to some idle nephew?

As one married to a Thai, neither I nor my wife give ANY money to her family.

<Perfectly straightforward and easy, no one trying to catch any one out, just officers going by the very simple rules.>

Sure about that? I was jerked about on my last extension with a really stupid thing I had to do ( and I posted that before so not going into it again ).

<Try getting your mrs to your country>

Wouldn't be any problem to get her in on a one or two year work visa, and then she could apply for residency. Far simpler than what I have to do here.

<As one married to a Thai, neither I nor my wife give ANY money to her family.>

Nor do I, but it has caused a lot of ill will.

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[Sirbergan]

Damn you guys sound frustrated and perma negative!

Lets see how I will sound like in a couple of years!

Thanks for all the input!

You are so right, OP.

But what do you expect from old farts?

My advice..........doesn't matter if they ask for sin sod or not.

You give, and you give generously, at least 2 to 3 million.

Build a house, buy a car and get some cows, so her status in community will stand high.

Don't be a cheap Charlie and never believe these dubious posters that have some experience in life.

An old fool's advice is still the advice of a fool, and my oh my are fools a dime a dozen here on TV.

OP: My wife's parents were already deceased when I got married, just like yours. I paid 125.000 baht and 1 baht of gold, but of course this was just for show and a payment from ourselves to ourselves. I wouldn't think your wife's family will ask for any dowry, but if they do you can always discuss how to handle it with your wife and try to find an arrangement you're comfortable with.

Never invest more money than you're ready to lose.

[rgs2001uk]

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Almost forgot: If the husband has a job & brings in wages, he turns them all over to his wife on payday, then asks for cigarette & whiskey money. Fairly strictly observed.

As someone who lives in Bkk, what you describe is like something form a different country or era.

Most of the Thai couples I know of, either the girl goes to the husbands family house or the newly marrieds get a place of their own.

Good gawd man these days most Thais I know of are paid electronically and they are the provider, they aint handing money over on pay day.

Example, one guy controls everything, pays all the bills, school fees etc, gives his mrs 8,000 baht per month pocket money.

Another guy, his father owns his house and car, if the marriage goes tits up there is nothing to split because the guys owns nothing, and will only own via inheritance laws, which means again the girl will have no claim on inherited property.

If you are talking about alcoholic upcountry labourers paid daily, yes I agree it makes sense for the wife to take control.

Yup Different world! I suspect too, that most of the people you know are Chinese. Tho Isan folks in BKK follow their own customs pretty much. Know a Khon Kaen woman who married a BKK Chinese--no sinsot & when he died she got very little of his fortune (I don't think they ever formalized the marriage). I also know a Roiet woman in BKK married to a Chinese. She tells people "of course I'm rich. I'm married to a Chinese! They're dirt poor. The custom of giving the wife your wages isn't just drunken laborers (tho it certainly does make sense there!), but a strong custom regardless of sobriety. Wife's brother in law, dishonest thugish (but sober) taxi driver does this. My wife asked why he doesn't keep back cigarette money--"But, but that would violate our culture!" A sort of map of differing customs in Thailand would be interesting and informative (for one thing to counter the myth of "Thainess")

No far from all being Chinese.

Its fair to say most are from other areas who came to Bkk for either study or work and met their partners whilst in Bkk.

The numer of pure Issan/Isaan partners I know are very few and far between.

One thing I have observed and commented on before, its like a whole new world opening up to these Issan girls when they come to Bkk and avail themeselves of the opportunities presented.

Some very hardworking girls out there with a can do attitude, not all of these girls are gold diggers.

I will concede the 2 week millionaires are unlikely to ever meet them, coz for sure they are not to be found in any of the farang bars of lower Suk.

[Strangebrew]

As I see it if asked for Sin Sod agree but also say I understand that Sinsod goes to her parents. So what you do is write a check for say 50,000,000 Baht the payees being both her parents photocopy it place in an envelope go to her parents grave dig hole place in hole . If anything is said say I paid her parents 50,000,000.00 baht. Up to them to cash it. Future wife saves face you save cash. One your not lying two they can't cash it Three relative can F- off.

[krisb]

Damn you guys sound frustrated and perma negative!

Lets see how I will sound like in a couple of years!

Thanks for all the input!

You are so right, OP.

But what do you expect from old farts?

My advice..........doesn't matter if they ask for sin sod or not.

You give, and you give generously, at least 2 to 3 million.

Build a house, buy a car and get some cows, so her status in community will stand high.

Don't be a cheap Charlie and never believe these dubious posters that have some experience in life.

Your son can marry my daughter anytime Costas.

[smotherb]

Congratulations on your upcoming wedding.

No sin sod is required. If your wife to be doesn't yet have a car buy her one. If you can't afford a car, buy her a new motorbike. Sin sod is all about face. Give her some. You can even buy her a big gold chain and then sell it back to the goldsmith after the wedding. Give her something to show.

May your marriage be a long and happy one!

note: you can drive the motorbike or car you bought for her after the wedding. :-)

Gee, what to do if your fiancee already has a car, a bike, several gold chains--and before you say it--a house. Seems to me your advice is for marrying poor girls.

[Chriso12]

As I see it if asked for Sin Sod agree but also say I understand that Sinsod goes to her parents. So what you do is write a check for say 50,000,000 Baht the payees being both her parents photocopy it place in an envelope go to her parents grave dig hole place in hole . If anything is said say I paid her parents 50,000,000.00 baht. Up to them to cash it. Future wife saves face you save cash. One your not lying two they can't cash it Three relative can F- off.

I fear my future wife might not find it that amusing.

My fiancee is not that rich unfortunately...she has condo and car...but I think beside the ring and a new smartphone she will not be getting anything else! The marriage party will cost enough on its own and will roughly have 80 % of her guests.

> Sibergan

Thanks for the comparison. I was expecting a similar plan for our wedding to give a dowry as "show" however it got turned down from my fiancee....maybe I consider some minor presents for the family kids. They are adorable and I am sure I might find out what is on their wish list. (not gonna have to find out... probably tablets and more smartphones) And you are of course right that there are a couple fools and excessive Thai haters on TV. However you just gotta skip those posts and read the once that are worthwhile. If you open a marriage thread then this is the nature of the business to attract the sharks! I got a good insight nevertheless on where to stand! Thanks to you and everyone else!

Edited August 18, 2014 by Chriso12

[sae57]

The guests at your wedding will likely bring envelopes that will help to defray the costs significantly. Don't forget to bring your own envelope to any future events! Money (and I think this is true throughout Thailand and in a great many other cultures) carries emotional as well as economic capital. Giving money, then is a way of showing affection, respect, etc. (so when a girl asks for money it may be something beyond pure greed). The money cycles around so that in the end nothing is lost--but the effect is some income redistribution toward the poorer members of the community.

[transam]

The guests at your wedding will likely bring envelopes that will help to defray the costs significantly. Don't forget to bring your own envelope to any future events! Money (and I think this is true throughout Thailand and in a great many other cultures) carries emotional as well as economic capital. Giving money, then is a way of showing affection, respect, etc. (so when a girl asks for money it may be something beyond pure greed). The money cycles around so that in the end nothing is lost--but the effect is some income redistribution toward the poorer members of the community.

Thats the theory but..........................

[Cosmo28]

I read most of the posts here, i think people (many of them) are not aware it is different culture before they arrive in Thailand. Most of them didnt visit before and look pictures and videos, speak with cute Thai lady and decide to go to Thailand marry there and stay long time. Fact is you cannot change culture since you are visitor and not somebody who is allowed to change something. If Sin sod is part of Thai culture ( and i dont see nothing bad in Sin sod because it is different everything from western countries, somebody must take care for family after marriage it is simple thing) i have nothing against it. I see many people say i will not pay this i will not pay that, no trust family no trust wife, i mean why you want marry with that lady in first place? And many say i want pay 30 baht for marriage 500 baht for suit and thats it. come on do you pay in western country for marriage 50 euros LOL last marriage i went for my friend it costed 20.000 euro ONLY marriage and it is not considered as expensiva marriage, many farang come and say i dont want pay "dowry" i see that big disrespect for Thai culture, would you like somebody come to your country and want change culture, something that is happening for hundred of years i think you wouldnt like. Many people want have beautiful Thai lady but not think that Thais are connected with family and culture too much. Many of them come barely to survive and want to stay there because life is cheap, girls are cheap. Funny people really. I have Thai girlfriend and her parents passed away but when we marry it should be still about that she say we will have money together from that, i will give to her it doesnt matter, i not want marry in some shithole pay 30 baht and thats it. Many of you want marry because of visa, and cheap life, but dont want accept culture. I really dont understand most of people here who post all that.

Edited August 18, 2014 by Cosmo28

[sometimewoodworker]

While we are at it: Does it matter at which Amphur we make the registration?

No. We used Lak-Si because it's almost walking distance to the MOF where you will probably have to go anyway for certified copies of your marrage documents anyway, they are familiar with mixed marriages, have an interpreter/translator (who is needed) on staff, and know the drill. We tried a different BKK amphur before, which didn't work as we had no translater.

[atyclb]

Had a similar situ a few years ago. My wife's neice had been orphaned & we stood in as the parents, accepted the sinsot and promptly turned it over to the happy newlyweds. It's not unusual, by the way, to give the sinsot to the bride as a nest egg (not the groom: remember, the women control the wealth, land, inheritance & the couple lives with the girl's family). Some of the relatives were a bit upset that we didn't share with them, since they'd had a significant hand in raising the girl.

BTW, expecting sinsot for a girl that's previously been married/had children is highly questionable among Thais.

Very strange idea here "the women control the wealth", that just isn't true.

Until fairly recently, Thai women owned nothing.

When they married, all their assets, and them became the property of their husband.

If someone has been telling you women control the wealth, that's an outright lie.

Not completely true. In a % of cases they use a hi tech device to control the money... i believe it is called a "pussy whip"

[AnotherOneAmerican]

Try getting your mrs to your country and then come back here and complain about Thailand.

Many farang should be grateful Thailand doesnt introduce reciprocal arangements for farang.

Eg a Brit will be treated the same way the UK treats Thais, Australians will be treated the same way Australia treat Thais, etc etc, you get the picture.

Most western countries, a stack of paperwork, proof of income, once or twice in their lifetime. Passport and citizenship issued. Free to come and go as they like.

In Thailand, a stack of paperwork every year, proof of income every year, plus 4x 90 day reports a year, every year for the rest of your life. Plus re-entry permits.

Not to mention, reporting where you are staying every day of your life in Thailand.

Which one would I prefer?

Hmmmm, let me think!

Edited August 18, 2014 by AnotherOneAmerican

[atyclb]

I read most of the posts here, i think people (many of them) are not aware it is different culture before they arrive in Thailand. Most of them didnt visit before and look pictures and videos, speak with cute Thai lady and decide to go to Thailand marry there and stay long time. Fact is you cannot change culture since you are visitor and not somebody who is allowed to change something. If Sin sod is part of Thai culture ( and i dont see nothing bad in Sin sod because it is different everything from western countries, somebody must take care for family after marriage it is simple thing) i have nothing against it. I see many people say i will not pay this i will not pay that, no trust family no trust wife, i mean why you want marry with that lady in first place? And many say i want pay 30 baht for marriage 500 baht for suit and thats it. come on do you pay in western country for marriage 50 euros LOL last marriage i went for my friend it costed 20.000 euro ONLY marriage and it is not considered as expensiva marriage, many farang come and say i dont want pay "dowry" i see that big disrespect for Thai culture, would you like somebody come to your country and want change culture, something that is happening for hundred of years i think you wouldnt like. Many people want have beautiful Thai lady but not think that Thais are connected with family and culture too much. Many of them come barely to survive and want to stay there because life is cheap, girls are cheap. Funny people really. I have Thai girlfriend and her parents passed away but when we marry it should be still about that she say we will have money together from that, i will give to her it doesnt matter, i not want marry in some shithole pay 30 baht and thats it. Many of you want marry because of visa, and cheap life, but dont want accept culture. I really dont understand most of people here who post all that.

A truly amazing FIRST post

[ericthai]

Damn you guys sound frustrated and perma negative!

Lets see how I will sound like in a couple of years!

Thanks for all the input!

No, just seen and witnessed a lot..........

More bad stuff than good........... ...................Food for thought chap.........

My mother-in-law died a few years ago. About 6-7 month later my wife and her sisters, aunts etc all decide it's time for my father-in-law to get married again so someone can take care of him. Word gets out and word comes back there is this lady her husband died and looking to get married. They take FIL to go meet this lady at her house. All is good they like each other. The soon to be wife comes to our house 4-5 days later for a surprise visit (when the mother-in-law died father moved in with us.) Well the future wife thinks she is moving in with us and not only her but her 3 kids that are in their late teens early twenty's and she wants a dowry!! I could not stop from laughing when I heard all of this. My wife her face was turning red minute by minute. It was priceless. This old hagg thought she hit the lotto falang, nice house, lots of land. She went home happy as can be. All hell broke loose in our house. That was it no marriage. They inform the lady and she starts this shit that she already spent 20K on getting ready for the wedding buying a dress, this that. Dam my wife and her sisters had to pay this lady. Poor old dad was told that's it no new wife for you!

[rgs2001uk]

Try getting your mrs to your country and then come back here and complain about Thailand.

Many farang should be grateful Thailand doesnt introduce reciprocal arangements for farang.

Eg a Brit will be treated the same way the UK treats Thais, Australians will be treated the same way Australia treat Thais, etc etc, you get the picture.

Most western countries, a stack of paperwork, proof of income, once or twice in their lifetime. Passport and citizenship issued. Free to come and go as they like.

In Thailand, a stack of paperwork every year, proof of income every year, plus 4x 90 day reports a year, every year for the rest of your life. Plus re-entry permits.

Not to mention, reporting where you are staying every day of your life in Thailand.

Which one would I prefer?

Hmmmm, let me think!

Wonder how many Brits on here could pass the Thai equivalent of lets say, living and working in the UK tests.

How many Brits on here can actually write their own name in Thai never mind that of their mrs.

90 day reports, send the maid, send the mrs, send a motocy taxi driver, take a long weekend in Singapore, no hassle there.

I believe some get PR, others even get citizenship, best of luck to them.

I dont need proof of income, bank book and letter from bank.

Stack of paperwork, already explained, wifes id card, tabian baan marriage certificate and copy of marriage registry, passport and application form.

Now head over to the visa section and read up on the horror stories of guys trying to get their partners to the UK.

I dont need to think, I know which I prefer.

[rgs2001uk]

I read most of the posts here, i think people (many of them) are not aware it is different culture before they arrive in Thailand. Most of them didnt visit before and look pictures and videos, speak with cute Thai lady and decide to go to Thailand marry there and stay long time. Fact is you cannot change culture since you are visitor and not somebody who is allowed to change something. If Sin sod is part of Thai culture ( and i dont see nothing bad in Sin sod because it is different everything from western countries, somebody must take care for family after marriage it is simple thing) i have nothing against it. I see many people say i will not pay this i will not pay that, no trust family no trust wife, i mean why you want marry with that lady in first place? And many say i want pay 30 baht for marriage 500 baht for suit and thats it. come on do you pay in western country for marriage 50 euros LOL last marriage i went for my friend it costed 20.000 euro ONLY marriage and it is not considered as expensiva marriage, many farang come and say i dont want pay "dowry" i see that big disrespect for Thai culture, would you like somebody come to your country and want change culture, something that is happening for hundred of years i think you wouldnt like. Many people want have beautiful Thai lady but not think that Thais are connected with family and culture too much. Many of them come barely to survive and want to stay there because life is cheap, girls are cheap. Funny people really. I have Thai girlfriend and her parents passed away but when we marry it should be still about that she say we will have money together from that, i will give to her it doesnt matter, i not want marry in some shithole pay 30 baht and thats it. Many of you want marry because of visa, and cheap life, but dont want accept culture. I really dont understand most of people here who post all that.

A truly amazing FIRST post

A truly naive first post.

He talks about Thai culture, what culture would that be, Northern hill tribe Thai, Southern Thai, Issan Thai, Chinese Thai, Thai Muslim?

Concur, truly amazing.

[Mosha]

Stupid question, but have you asked your lass? Mine said her mum was just happy to see her married.

[AnotherOneAmerican]

Now head over to the visa section and read up on the horror stories of guys trying to get their partners to the UK.

18,600GBP/year income or 64kGBP in the bank

And a clear TB X-ray.

I think you will find all the Brits having problems have dodgy income streams or no savings.

Edited August 18, 2014 by AnotherOneAmerican

[Trouble]

Went to a wedding over the weekend of a friend. He's 68, she's 27. Tried to talk to this guy many times over the past few months, and always got the standard, and well used phrases:

"This one isn't like that."

"She's different."

"She would never do those things to me."

Has bought a truck, new PCX for himself, one for her, and planning on building their "dream house" on property he is buying from her parents.

It was a nice wedding in a Catholic church, with her wearing an expensive, tailor made white gown. Then the reception for about 60+ people at a restaurant where the food was laid out. Nicest wedding any Hill Tribe girl has probably ever seen. And, yes, she's Hill Tribe. Nice girl, or so she seems. Smarter than most, and had a good job, till he insisted she quit so she could stay home with him all the time.

The whole time I'm wondering which will happen first: his death or the bleeding of his money. I hope it works out for him, but I just have the feeling that in a few years I'm gonna be saying: "Hey, I tried to warn you.".

Being 68 myself and having "dated" some of the younger generation, I finally came to the realization that there is just no way that kind of age difference works. I am just to old and set and they are too young and at another place in their lives. As much as one can feel younger by being around youth, the reality is that you are old and might as well admit it. You tried your best to talk to your friend but he will be learning the hard way. I hope he enjoys what he has, while he has it, but you can bet it will cost him plenty. It would probably have been better just to "date" as it is a lot less expensive.

[canarysun]

Well written my "old " friend...lol but you are absolutely correct.Why do people not date first at least for a year before this need to " live together " over to you viewers?

[seancbk]

Damn you guys sound frustrated and perma negative!

Lets see how I will sound like in a couple of years!

Thanks for all the input!

You are so right, OP.

But what do you expect from old farts?

My advice..........doesn't matter if they ask for sin sod or not.

You give, and you give generously, at least 2 to 3 million.

Build a house, buy a car and get some cows, so her status in community will stand high.

Don't be a cheap Charlie and never believe these dubious posters that have some experience in life.

What is she going to do with a couple of cows at her condo in Thonglor?

Not all Thai girls are from farms in nakhon nowhere.

[benalibina]

Damn you guys sound frustrated and perma negative!

Lets see how I will sound like in a couple of years!

Thanks for all the input!

No, just seen and witnessed a lot..........

More bad stuff than good........... ...................Food for thought chap.........

My mother-in-law died a few years ago. About 6-7 month later my wife and her sisters, aunts etc all decide it's time for my father-in-law to get married again so someone can take care of him. Word gets out and word comes back there is this lady her husband died and looking to get married. They take FIL to go meet this lady at her house. All is good they like each other. The soon to be wife comes to our house 4-5 days later for a surprise visit (when the mother-in-law died father moved in with us.) Well the future wife thinks she is moving in with us and not only her but her 3 kids that are in their late teens early twenty's and she wants a dowry!! I could not stop from laughing when I heard all of this. My wife her face was turning red minute by minute. It was priceless. This old hagg thought she hit the lotto falang, nice house, lots of land. She went home happy as can be. All hell broke loose in our house. That was it no marriage. They inform the lady and she starts this shit that she already spent 20K on getting ready for the wedding buying a dress, this that. Dam my wife and her sisters had to pay this lady. Poor old dad was told that's it no new wife for you!

Amazing Thailand !