1400 children sexually exploited in UK town Rotherham: report

[joecoolfrog]

No Cambodger you dont think , well certainly not much.

[nontabury]

From Rotherham Joint Strategic Needs Assessment website

Rotherham had 236,438 (91.9%) White British and 20,842 (8.1%) Black and Minority Ethnic (BME) residents in the 2011 Census.

The largest BME community is Pakistani & Kashmiri who numbered 7,912 in 2011 or 3.1% of the population.

http://www.rotherham.gov.uk/jsna/info/23/people/54/ethnicity_and_cultural_identity

Just 3.1 % makes it even worse, that's about 1.5% males responsible for all this abuse, animals

Shhh!

Don't quote facts here. The apologists get rather upset when they see their arguments disappearing down the drain.

Obviously, jacky54 and H1w4yR1da, neither of you are very good at maths!

5 men have been convicted; that's not 1.5% of the Muslim population of Rotherham; it's 0.06%. Of the entire Muslim population, not just the adult males.

Still too many, of course.

Lets say that the 5 are only 10% of those actually involved, that gives us 50; still just 0.6% of the entire Muslim population of Rotherham.

You want to condemn and punish the entire Muslim population of the UK for the actions of 0.6% of them!

As said, these men did not commit these evil acts because they are Muslim; they did it because they are evil, perverted men.

As for the ridiculous notion that only Muslims commit this horrendous crime; do you not read the papers?

Have you never heard of Jimmy Savile, Rolf Harris, Ian Watkins etc.? And they're only some of the high profile cases!

Have you forgotten the paedophile Catholic priests?

As ever, the racists (yes, racists, don't try and wriggle out of it) and Islamaphobes only see what their hate lets them see.

That they, and you, use the horrendous abuse of children as an excuse to spread that hate disgusts me.

Edit; and how dare you call those defending ordinary, decent, law abiding Muslims 'apologists'!

No one here has in any way shape or form imaginable posted anything which could be construed by any rational person as being apologist for this crime nor the men who committed it.

Had anyone done so, I am sure that the post would have been removed and I hope that the poster responsible would no longer be a member.

You are correct 7by7 that other sections of the community have their paedophiles, however what is different in the case of Rotherham and other English towns is that these Muslim men purposely targeted white( none Muslim girls). Yet I've yet to hear anybody accusing them of being Racist, and according to this weeks report, many people in Rotherham were aware of these crimes yet were afraid to speak out, in case they themselves were accused of being racist, by the apologist.

Just an added point, I did mention in an earlier post that I used to live in Rotherham and work for the local authority many years ago, and I can assure you that the numbers of Pakistani Muslims in Rotherham is far greater than those mentioned. How can this be so, I' ll leave you to work it out.

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[Cambodger]

I have to back that claim up, I've lived in Sheffield which is practically joined onto Rotherham, I've worked in the town and have friends who live there.

8% non white and 3% Pakistani was quoted earlier in the thread as official figures is impossible to believe, I would estimate at least 30% Pakistani.

[simple1]

Obviously, jacky54 and H1w4yR1da, neither of you are very good at maths!

5 men have been convicted; that's not 1.5% of the Muslim population of Rotherham; it's 0.06%. Of the entire Muslim population, not just the adult males.

That's the scandal, hundreds more are sought, or are you suggesting that 5 men abused 1400 children? The disgrace is that HUNDREDS of Pakistani men got away with raping children in one town alone due to the fear of the authorities being labelled racist if they did anything to prevent or prosecute. A more damning indictment of modern Britain is hard to imagine. Yet here two people are desperate to put a positive spin on this filth.

Nobody has claimed only Muslims abuse children, but there is obviously a huge problem with them operating in gangs to rape children of a religion and race other than their own. If white gangs were raping Muslims kids we would be seeing a very different reaction from the parents of the abused, riots and deaths would be almost a certainty.

I believe I am correct that where professional criminal investigation have occured in other towns and cities where organised sexual abuse gangs have operated roughly 20+ UK Muslims have been convicted. Although there have been some, don't know the indicative number of white gang members convicted. To repeat, in Rotherham the number of new victims of the Muslim criminal gangs (its been confirmed in reports some non Muslims have also been involved) has averaged seven a month over 16 years. Don't think any reports claim hundreds of Muslims have engaged in sexual abuse crimes in Rotherham, to make thses claims undermines your creditability.

EDIT: I find it interesting there was no refute by the anti Muslim posters by one of their group in post#102

Edited August 28, 2014 by simple1

[jacky54]

EDIT: I find it interesting there was no refute by the anti Muslim posters by one of their group in post#102

If you mean 'There are no parents around...these are -usually- the offspring of stupid,uneducated single mothers.

..too busy drinking ,taking drugs and prospecting for another bastard for their collection.'

Then are you agreeing with this unsubstantiated slander? and if it was true are you suggesting abusing a child is somehow their own fault if, or not as serious if they happen to have a poor family background? You are wrong as usual on the numbers and by talking them down and constantly mentioning other races not involved in this you are yet again trying to put a spin on this disgusting abuse. Are you a Muslim or married to one?

Edited August 28, 2014 by jacky54

[Credo]

I have to back that claim up, I've lived in Sheffield which is practically joined onto Rotherham, I've worked in the town and have friends who live there.

8% non white and 3% Pakistani was quoted earlier in the thread as official figures is impossible to believe, I would estimate at least 30% Pakistani.

Be careful with drawing your own conclusions. If you look at the videos of the recent events surrounding the shooting of a black youth by a police officer, it would seem that 95% of the population are males under 25. Probably not true.

What you actually see in a community and what you actually notice and who actually lives there are different.

[jacky54]

. Don't think any reports claim hundreds of Muslims have engaged in sexual abuse crimes in Rotherham, to make thses claims undermines your creditability.

You meant you don't want to believe it, are you calling this girl a liar? These girls were not just raped many were tortured as well. Does this victim 'undermine' her credibility then?

Rotherham sex abuse victim: I told police names of 250 men who raped me but they did NOTHING

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/rotherham-child-abuse-scandal-victim-4120446#ixzz3BjSevWeY

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Edited August 28, 2014 by jacky54

[H1w4yR1da]

Speaks volumes!

[nontabury]

I have to back that claim up, I've lived in Sheffield which is practically joined onto Rotherham, I've worked in the town and have friends who live there.

8% non white and 3% Pakistani was quoted earlier in the thread as official figures is impossible to believe, I would estimate at least 30% Pakistani.

Be careful with drawing your own conclusions. If you look at the videos of the recent events surrounding the shooting of a black youth by a police officer, it would seem that 95% of the population are males under 25. Probably not true.

What you actually see in a community and what you actually notice and who actually lives there are different.

Fair enough, As I stated earlier I did in fact live and work in Rotherham, that is why I find the official figures to be unbelievable, this has been backed up by Cambodger, however to fair I do believe his figure of 30% is also wide of the mark.

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[simple1]

. Don't think any reports claim hundreds of Muslims have engaged in sexual abuse crimes in Rotherham, to make thses claims undermines your creditability.

You meant you don't want to believe it, are you calling this girl a liar? These girls were not just raped many were tortured as well. Does this victim 'undermine' her credibility then?

Rotherham sex abuse victim: I told police names of 250 men who raped me but they did NOTHING

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/rotherham-child-abuse-scandal-victim-4120446#ixzz3BjSevWeY

Follow us: @DailyMirror on Twitter | DailyMirror on Facebook

wasn't aware of that claim

[simple1]

EDIT: I find it interesting there was no refute by the anti Muslim posters by one of their group in post#102

If you mean 'There are no parents around...these are -usually- the offspring of stupid,uneducated single mothers.

..too busy drinking ,taking drugs and prospecting for another bastard for their collection.'

Then are you agreeing with this unsubstantiated slander? and if it was true are you suggesting abusing a child is somehow their own fault if, or not as serious if they happen to have a poor family background? You are wrong as usual on the numbers and by talking them down and constantly mentioning other races not involved in this you are yet again trying to put a spin on this disgusting abuse. Are you a Muslim or married to one?

No. However, I find it peculiar you’re attacking me & not the original poster who made the accusation.

No spin just pointing out, though in the large majority, Muslims are not the only group in these attacks. You and others never acknowledge this fact and solely blame the Muslim community

Edited August 29, 2014 by simple1

[jacky54]

EDIT: I find it interesting there was no refute by the anti Muslim posters by one of their group in post#102

If you mean 'There are no parents around...these are -usually- the offspring of stupid,uneducated single mothers.

..too busy drinking ,taking drugs and prospecting for another bastard for their collection.'

Then are you agreeing with this unsubstantiated slander? and if it was true are you suggesting abusing a child is somehow their own fault if, or not as serious if they happen to have a poor family background? You are wrong as usual on the numbers and by talking them down and constantly mentioning other races not involved in this you are yet again trying to put a spin on this disgusting abuse. Are you a Muslim or married to one?

No. However, I find it peculiar you’re attacking me & not the original poster who made the accusation.

No spin just pointing out, though in the large majority, Muslims are not the only group in these attacks. You and others never acknowledge this fact and solely blame the Muslim community

Sorry if you felt you were being 'attacked' I was merely commenting on somebody slandering the abused families that you appeared to support. This thread is about child abuse in Rotherham carried out by hundreds of Pakistani men, mostly in gangs. So it's not surprising that Muslims are being blamed as they are the criminals doing this, people of other races in gangs do not appear to be doing this in this town, or elsewhere. Can you come up with any evidence of any other races in gangs from Rotherham raping and torturing children over decades? Can you name just one gang of another race or religion in the UK who has targeted children of solely another race to single out for outrageous torture and sexual depravity?

So are you a Muslim or married to one, or prefer not to answer?

Edited August 29, 2014 by jacky54

[simple1]

EDIT: I find it interesting there was no refute by the anti Muslim posters by one of their group in post#102

If you mean 'There are no parents around...these are -usually- the offspring of stupid,uneducated single mothers.

..too busy drinking ,taking drugs and prospecting for another bastard for their collection.'

Then are you agreeing with this unsubstantiated slander? and if it was true are you suggesting abusing a child is somehow their own fault if, or not as serious if they happen to have a poor family background? You are wrong as usual on the numbers and by talking them down and constantly mentioning other races not involved in this you are yet again trying to put a spin on this disgusting abuse. Are you a Muslim or married to one?

No. However, I find it peculiar you’re attacking me & not the original poster who made the accusation.

No spin just pointing out, though in the large majority, Muslims are not the only group in these attacks. You and others never acknowledge this fact and solely blame the Muslim community

Sorry if you felt you were being 'attacked' I was merely commenting on somebody slandering the abused families that you appeared to support. This thread is about child abuse in Rotherham carried out by hundreds of Pakistani men, mostly in gangs. So it's not surprising that Muslims are being blamed as they are the criminals doing this, people of other races in gangs do not appear to be doing this in this town, or elsewhere. Can you come up with any evidence of any other races in gangs from Rotherham raping and torturing children over decades? Can you name just one gang of another race or religion in the UK who has targeted children of solely another race to single out for outrageous torture and sexual depravity?

So are you a Muslim or married to one, or prefer not to answer?

Sorry, cannot relocate the article, but it specifically stated "asians" were not the sole offenders in the sex attacks in Rotherham. On a broader scale:

A 2012 report by the Deputy children's commissioner said that 33% of child sex abuse by gangs in Britain was committed by Asians, where Asians are 7% of the population

EDIT: Just relocated some content from the report "Victims were gang raped, while others were groomed and trafficked across northern England by groups of mainly Asian men. My apologies, don't know if this includes the terrible events in Rotherham

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/11057647/Rotherham-sex-abuse-scandal-1400-children-exploited-by-Asian-gangs-while-authorities-turned-a-blind-eye.html

Edited August 29, 2014 by simple1

[jacky54]

A 2012 report by the Deputy children's commissioner said that 33% of child sex abuse by gangs in Britain was committed by Asians, where Asians are 7% of the population

That's without the recent news from Rotherham adding another 1400. See how the report dares not say Muslims but 'Asians' even so it's a damning report, 33% of child abuse carried out by just 7%, and almost certainly worse than that. You seem to take some comfort in the media referring to these criminals as 'Asians' when they should be saying Muslims, why is that, are you one or married to one?

Any examples of 'Asian' Hindu, Sihk gangs or Buddhists carrying out these attacks?

Edited August 29, 2014 by jacky54

[nontabury]

Obviously, jacky54 and H1w4yR1da, neither of you are very good at maths!

5 men have been convicted; that's not 1.5% of the Muslim population of Rotherham; it's 0.06%. Of the entire Muslim population, not just the adult males.

That's the scandal, hundreds more are sought, or are you suggesting that 5 men abused 1400 children? The disgrace is that HUNDREDS of Pakistani men got away with raping children in one town alone due to the fear of the authorities being labelled racist if they did anything to prevent or prosecute. A more damning indictment of modern Britain is hard to imagine. Yet here two people are desperate to put a positive spin on this filth.

Nobody has claimed only Muslims abuse children, but there is obviously a huge problem with them operating in gangs to rape children of a religion and race other than their own. If white gangs were raping Muslims kids we would be seeing a very different reaction from the parents of the abused, riots and deaths would be almost a certainty.

I believe I am correct that where professional criminal investigation have occured in other towns and cities where organised sexual abuse gangs have operated roughly 20+ UK Muslims have been convicted. Although there have been some, don't know the indicative number of white gang members convicted. To repeat, in Rotherham the number of new victims of the Muslim criminal gangs (its been confirmed in reports some non Muslims have also been involved) has averaged seven a month over 16 years. Don't think any reports claim hundreds of Muslims have engaged in sexual abuse crimes in Rotherham, to make thses claims undermines your creditability.

EDIT: I find it interesting there was no refute by the anti Muslim posters by one of their group in post#102

Muhbeen Hussien the leader and founder of the Muslim youth organisation in the UK, who happens to come from Rotherham has also expressed his disgust at these crimes, asking why ONLY 9 men from his community have been charged with these disgusting acts against 1400 children. Professor Alexis Jay who wrote the report says that part of the problem was that some people who knew about these crimes were too intimidated to force the issue, in case they themselves were accused of being racist, while other were instructed by their managers to keep quite, again because the perpetrators were from a certain section of the community. in other words people like yourself, who have tried to make excuses for these vile people( some would say Animals) have unwittingly created this climate of denial.

It would also seem that another official report was made 10yrs ago, with basically the same conclusions, that report was swept under the carpet for fear of stirring up racial tension. So YES" these animals committed the offences, yet who could argue that the Apologist, are not also partly to blame, along side the larger Muslim community whose silent protest at these actions has been noted by the wider population.

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[simple1]

A 2012 report by the Deputy children's commissioner said that 33% of child sex abuse by gangs in Britain was committed by Asians, where Asians are 7% of the population

That's without the recent news from Rotherham adding another 1400. See how the report dares not say Muslims but 'Asians' even so it's a damning report, 33% of child abuse carried out by just 7%, and almost certainly worse than that. You seem to take some comfort in the media referring to these criminals as 'Asians' when they should be saying Muslims, why is that, are you one or married to one?

Any examples of 'Asian' Hindu, Sihk gangs or Buddhists carrying out these attacks?

Just quoting from official reports - send a compliant to your MP.

[jacky54]

- send a compliant to your MP.

Probably something that everybody in Rotherham and the country should be doing.

[Deacon Bell]

Ghastly cultures and societies becoming British.

[canman]

• Lizzie was only 12 when she was groomed by Umar Razaq
• He served less than a year despite the depravity of his crimes

A victim of the Rotherham scandal last night claimed one of her abusers had launched a Facebook stalking campaign against her.

Lizzie, who was only 12 when she was groomed by Umar Razaq, says he 'taunted' her on the social networking site after being released from jail.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2737201/My-abuser-jail-tormenting-Facebook-At-13-Lizzie-raped-says-authorities-nothing.html

And still society fails this poor girl. While the scumbag is free to continue his savage life

[mrtoad]

About time these scum eere sent back to their own country as they clearly hate the country which they have unfortunatley been allowed to live in.

[anon676545345]

That's the scandal, hundreds more are sought, or are you suggesting that 5 men abused 1400 children? The disgrace is that HUNDREDS of Pakistani men got away with raping children in one town alone due to the fear of the authorities being labelled racist if they did anything to prevent or prosecute. A more damning indictment of modern Britain is hard to imagine. Yet here two people are desperate to put a positive spin on this filth.

Nobody has claimed only Muslims abuse children, but there is obviously a huge problem with them operating in gangs to rape children of a religion and race other than their own. If white gangs were raping Muslims kids we would be seeing a very different reaction from the parents of the abused, riots and deaths would be almost a certainty.

I believe I am correct that where professional criminal investigation have occured in other towns and cities where organised sexual abuse gangs have operated roughly 20+ UK Muslims have been convicted. Although there have been some, don't know the indicative number of white gang members convicted. To repeat, in Rotherham the number of new victims of the Muslim criminal gangs (its been confirmed in reports some non Muslims have also been involved) has averaged seven a month over 16 years. Don't think any reports claim hundreds of Muslims have engaged in sexual abuse crimes in Rotherham, to make thses claims undermines your creditability.

EDIT: I find it interesting there was no refute by the anti Muslim posters by one of their group in post#102

Muhbeen Hussien the leader and founder of the Muslim youth organisation in the UK, who happens to come from Rotherham has also expressed his disgust at these crimes, asking why ONLY 9 men from his community have been charged with these disgusting acts against 1400 children. Professor Alexis Jay who wrote the report says that part of the problem was that some people who knew about these crimes were too intimidated to force the issue, in case they themselves were accused of being racist, while other were instructed by their managers to keep quite, again because the perpetrators were from a certain section of the community. in other words people like yourself, who have tried to make excuses for these vile people( some would say Animals) have unwittingly created this climate of denial.

It would also seem that another official report was made 10yrs ago, with basically the same conclusions, that report was swept under the carpet for fear of stirring up racial tension. So YES" these animals committed the offences, yet who could argue that the Apologist, are not also partly to blame, along side the larger Muslim community whose silent protest at these actions has been noted by the wider population.

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The link between race and religion is a manipulation intended to stop people expressing an opinion if you say something anti Islamic they label it racist Islam isn’t a race it's a very vocal religious and political system. It's telling that in the UK the PC liberals that espouse the virtues of multiculturalism don't live near the secular muslim communities, yet the far right parties get their highest number of votes from towns with large muslim populations which implies those that do live with them aren’t to happy.

The whole issue of multiculturalism has been handled one-sidedly by the UK government, rather than taking a broad spectrum non biased view of how to integrate, they've adopted an apologist PC approach that creates an environment where crimes like this can take place. After every incident involving the Islamic community they wheel out someone to speak on BBC news who represents the silent muslim majority, an apparent majority conspicuous only by their unwavering commitment to being silent.

[7by7]

Obviously, jacky54 and H1w4yR1da, neither of you are very good at maths!

5 men have been convicted; that's not 1.5% of the Muslim population of Rotherham; it's 0.06%. Of the entire Muslim population, not just the adult males.

That's the scandal, hundreds more are sought, or are you suggesting that 5 men abused 1400 children?..........

I see you have resorted to the old ploy of resorting to taking one sentence out of context and ignoring the bulk of what was posted!

[Ulysses G.]

It is not a "ploy" to directly quote something that one wants addressed. He obviously thought that was the important part. Why don't you answer his question, instead of trying to deflect?

Edited August 29, 2014 by Ulysses G.

[7by7]

Those of you who say that Muslims have not contributed anything to this country should have a look at this list.

It does, of course, include people with whose ideals and beliefs no one here would agree; especially those listed under militants.

But the vast majority are people who have contributed to this country in many ways.

For example:

Sheraz Daya – ophthalmologist and eye surgeon, best known for his founding of the Centre for Sight in 1996 and his work in the use of stem-cell research during sight recovery surgery.

Tipu Zahed Aziz – Professor of neurosurgery at the John Radcliffe Hospital in Oxford, and lecturer at Magdalen College, Oxford and Imperial College London medical school.

James Caan – Businessman and entrepreneur who was formally a part of Dragons' Den alongside with other investors.

and, most relevant to this topic;

Nazir Afzal – The Chief Crown Prosecutor for North West England. One of his first decisions in that role was to initiate prosecutions in the case of the Rochdale sex trafficking gang.

Last, but by no means least, Jabron Hashmi; a British Muslim soldier killed in Afghanistan

[7by7]

It is not a "ploy" to directly quote something that one wants addressed. He obviously thought that was the important part. Why don't you answer his question, instead of trying to deflect?

Because the answer is in the bulk of the post!

He chose to ignore it; as, it seems, have you.

[jacky54]

Those of you who say that Muslims have not contributed anything to this country should have a look at this list.

It does, of course, include people with whose ideals and beliefs no one here would agree; especially those listed under militants.

But the vast majority are people who have contributed to this country in many ways.

For example:

Sheraz Daya – ophthalmologist and eye surgeon, best known for his founding of the Centre for Sight in 1996 and his work in the use of stem-cell research during sight recovery surgery.

Tipu Zahed Aziz – Professor of neurosurgery at the John Radcliffe Hospital in Oxford, and lecturer at Magdalen College, Oxford and Imperial College London medical school.

James Caan – Businessman and entrepreneur who was formally a part of Dragons' Den alongside with other investors.

and, most relevant to this topic;

Nazir Afzal – The Chief Crown Prosecutor for North West England. One of his first decisions in that role was to initiate prosecutions in the case of the Rochdale sex trafficking gang.

Last, but by no means least, Jabron Hashmi; a British Muslim soldier killed in Afghanistan

Dear oh dear this is desperate stuff, nobody claims that Muslims have never done anything for the UK, however little that appears to be. What on earth has that got to do with hundreds of them torturing and raping white girls? Four people is hardly a vast majority. The attempt by you and another to deflect from and belittle the enormity of the crimes in Rochdale and elsewhere is quite depressing. Perhaps you have a link to the vast majority of Muslims speaking out against this vile abuse?

Are you a Muslim or married to one, I bet one of those is a yes!

Edited August 29, 2014 by jacky54

[hotsoup]

Rotherham Police Officer charged with sex offence

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/rotherham-abuse-scandal-former-rotherham-police-officer-charged-with-child-sex-offence-9698159.html

[MrMuddle]

I am from Rotherham and actually worked in a senior position on the Met. Boro. Council. I can assure everyone that it's not just the 'PC' mafia that make everyone wary of saying anything about the Pakistanis. What has happened is that the Pakistani leaders have crept into every aspect of life in Rotherham. Their corruption is endemic throughout the town. There's cover-ups of drug-dealing, human trafficking, money laundering etc.They even have one of the biggest crooks from the Paki community in the house of Lords, would you believe What happened in Birmingham Schools has been evident in Rotherham's schools for decades.

.Now, the ghettos in Rotherham are small in comparison to places like Bradford and Leeds - so what is happening in the rest of the country ?. Roger Stone has always been one of the decent guys and I'm not surprised he's taken the decent action and resigned. But the whole of the Social Services department wants a clean sweep; they are full of Neo Marxist PC apologists. One can't blame the police much, they can only check on things if reports are made - if they are not made, what then?

It's exactly the same in my old home town of Middlesbrough. There are hundreds of drug addicted young girls selling themselves to pay the Pakistani drug lords. But nothing is done about it, even though everyone knows who is behind it all.

[harryfrompattaya]

Rotherham Police Officer charged with sex offence

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/rotherham-abuse-scandal-former-rotherham-police-officer-charged-with-child-sex-offence-9698159.html

It is time for the people of England to start worrying about their children instead of the Hamas in Gaza

Maybe their should be a boycott of English made goods

[jacky54]

Rotherham Police Officer charged with sex offence

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/rotherham-abuse-scandal-former-rotherham-police-officer-charged-with-child-sex-offence-9698159.html

It is time for the people of England to start worrying about their children instead of the Hamas in Gaza

Maybe their should be a boycott of English made goods

Surely a ban on Pakistani ones would be more appropriate?