Organic Foods

[glasswort]

Does anyone know how to establish that foods labelled as organic are in fact as described? I am very wary of such labels particularly in respect of food items produced in Thailand. Also does anyone know where to obtain grass fed beef and free range chicken and eggs in Thailand?

[h90]

If you can find any organic beef, pork, chicken...please let me know.

Eggs are available in some supermarkets.

[cooked]

There was a news report recently indicating that a lot of stuff sold as being organic in fact contained more than slight traces of pesticides.

Most small farmers have grass fed beef (I can't eat it, too tough), and free range eggs and chickens.

Only a laboratory can do the analysis necessary to determine pesticide content. Maybe your nose will help.

[GuestHouse]

If its vegetables I look for signs that the bugs have been nibbling at it.

If the bugs won't eat it neither will I.

But there is an important point.

The production of Organic food is not regulated in Thailand and their is currently a turf war going on between the two main private organizations providing certification - The Certification being regarded as a Franchise to make money rather than as a means to enhance to value of Thai agricultural produce.

[h90]

There was a news report recently indicating that a lot of stuff sold as being organic in fact contained more than slight traces of pesticides.

Most small farmers have grass fed beef (I can't eat it, too tough), and free range eggs and chickens.

Only a laboratory can do the analysis necessary to determine pesticide content. Maybe your nose will help.

I think there are 2 different things:

a) organic that is fake and in fact not organic

b ) organic but the wind blows the pesticides from the neighbor over it.

at b ) it is still less than the "normal" one.

My wife only trusts the royal projects.....

For trust I would say:

1) royal projects and imported food

2) large companies

3) Market

[cooked]

Here's an unpleasant link about food in markets, unless you mean small village markets. The remark above about insects is of course a good one.

[pigeonjake]

im in sakaoe province,

we sell eggs everyday, both duck and chicken, our ducks and chickens have the full run of the farm, fed on layers pellets, bran, corn and anything they find themselfs, beautifull eggs even if i say so myself,

i try and give our pigs the best life i can in the short time we have them, i bet them on straw, coconut husk and rice husk there happy pigs, and i make my own beautiful lincolnshire,old english and cumberland sausage,, i get the spice mixes from ebay,hog casings from macro,

dont know about beef,

[h90]

im in sakaoe province,

we sell eggs everyday, both duck and chicken, our ducks and chickens have the full run of the farm, fed on layers pellets, bran, corn and anything they find themselfs, beautifull eggs even if i say so myself,

i try and give our pigs the best life i can in the short time we have them, i bet them on straw, coconut husk and rice husk there happy pigs, and i make my own beautiful lincolnshire,old english and cumberland sausage,, i get the spice mixes from ebay,hog casings from macro,

dont know about beef,

Are the pigs roaming outside?

What do you give them for food?

The chicken do they have a male chicken (what is the English word for them cock, rooster??)?

[AYJAYDEE]

these folks grow only organic and you can buy from them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santi_Asoke

Sano Phuangphinyo (เสนาะ พ่วงภิญโญ), Deputy Director General of the Department of Religious Affairs, Ministry of Education, notified Phothirak of the command in person, but Phothirak refused to observe it and declared his secession from the Sangha. He then formed Asoke and established four monasteries: (1) Santi Asoke Monastery at Khet Bang Kapi, Bangkok; (2) Si Asok Monastery at Amphoe Kantharalak, Changwat Si Saket; (3) Sali Asok Monastery at Amphoe Phaisali, Changwat Nakhon Sawan; and (4) Phathomma Asok Monastery at Amphoe Mueang Nakhon Pathom, Changwat Nakhon Pathom. The monasteries consist of temples, pavilions and parsonages as on a par with wats

[h90]

these folks grow only organic and you can buy from them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santi_Asoke

Sano Phuangphinyo (เสนาะ พ่วงภิญโญ), Deputy Director General of the Department of Religious Affairs, Ministry of Education, notified Phothirak of the command in person, but Phothirak refused to observe it and declared his secession from the Sangha. He then formed Asoke and established four monasteries: (1) Santi Asoke Monastery at Khet Bang Kapi, Bangkok; (2) Si Asok Monastery at Amphoe Kantharalak, Changwat Si Saket; (3) Sali Asok Monastery at Amphoe Phaisali, Changwat Nakhon Sawan; and (4) Phathomma Asok Monastery at Amphoe Mueang Nakhon Pathom, Changwat Nakhon Pathom. The monasteries consist of temples, pavilions and parsonages as on a par with wats

yes but hard to get.....

[AYJAYDEE]

these folks grow only organic and you can buy from them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santi_Asoke

Sano Phuangphinyo (เสนาะ พ่วงภิญโญ), Deputy Director General of the Department of Religious Affairs, Ministry of Education, notified Phothirak of the command in person, but Phothirak refused to observe it and declared his secession from the Sangha. He then formed Asoke and established four monasteries: (1) Santi Asoke Monastery at Khet Bang Kapi, Bangkok; (2) Si Asok Monastery at Amphoe Kantharalak, Changwat Si Saket; (3) Sali Asok Monastery at Amphoe Phaisali, Changwat Nakhon Sawan; and (4) Phathomma Asok Monastery at Amphoe Mueang Nakhon Pathom, Changwat Nakhon Pathom. The monasteries consist of temples, pavilions and parsonages as on a par with wats

yes but hard to get.....

but I bet they could steer you too others nearer you

[h90]

these folks grow only organic and you can buy from them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santi_Asoke

Sano Phuangphinyo (เสนาะ พ่วงภิญโญ), Deputy Director General of the Department of Religious Affairs, Ministry of Education, notified Phothirak of the command in person, but Phothirak refused to observe it and declared his secession from the Sangha. He then formed Asoke and established four monasteries: (1) Santi Asoke Monastery at Khet Bang Kapi, Bangkok; (2) Si Asok Monastery at Amphoe Kantharalak, Changwat Si Saket; (3) Sali Asok Monastery at Amphoe Phaisali, Changwat Nakhon Sawan; and (4) Phathomma Asok Monastery at Amphoe Mueang Nakhon Pathom, Changwat Nakhon Pathom. The monasteries consist of temples, pavilions and parsonages as on a par with wats

yes but hard to get.....

but I bet they could steer you too others nearer you

Last time they had nothing....either pre ordered already or used for the demonstrations.

Also I doubt they have meat

[AYJAYDEE]

these folks grow only organic and you can buy from them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santi_Asoke

Sano Phuangphinyo (เสนาะ พ่วงภิญโญ), Deputy Director General of the Department of Religious Affairs, Ministry of Education, notified Phothirak of the command in person, but Phothirak refused to observe it and declared his secession from the Sangha. He then formed Asoke and established four monasteries: (1) Santi Asoke Monastery at Khet Bang Kapi, Bangkok; (2) Si Asok Monastery at Amphoe Kantharalak, Changwat Si Saket; (3) Sali Asok Monastery at Amphoe Phaisali, Changwat Nakhon Sawan; and (4) Phathomma Asok Monastery at Amphoe Mueang Nakhon Pathom, Changwat Nakhon Pathom. The monasteries consist of temples, pavilions and parsonages as on a par with wats

yes but hard to get.....

but I bet they could steer you too others nearer you

Last time they had nothing....either pre ordered already or used for the demonstrations.

Also I doubt they have meat

they are vegetarian

[pigeonjake]

i have cockerals running with my chickens, there the ones we eat,

i have male ducks (drakes) running with my ducks,

no my pigs dont run outside to hot here, sunburn,,,,,but they are very very well looked after thats why i have a waiting list to buy pigs from me,

they get comersial pig feed,,,

no pig swil here to be had in thailand,, not that i would like to give them that,, they do get veg cuttings, banana stem when we take the bannanas off,

[h90]

but I bet they could steer you too others nearer you

Last time they had nothing....either pre ordered already or used for the demonstrations.

Also I doubt they have meat

they are vegetarian

yes that makes it pointless....organic vegetables are available in better supermarkets. Eggs are more difficult but still possible to get. Chicken and pork (or any other meat) and milk products are a problem.

[AYJAYDEE]

but I bet they could steer you too others nearer you

Last time they had nothing....either pre ordered already or used for the demonstrations.

Also I doubt they have meat

they are vegetarian

yes that makes it pointless....organic vegetables are available in better supermarkets. Eggs are more difficult but still possible to get. Chicken and pork (or any other meat) and milk products are a problem.

I thought you said you cant trust them to be really organic

[robertthebruce]

To most,Thais everything is Organic ??

[cooked]

Here's an unpleasant link about food in markets, unless you mean small village markets. The remark above about insects is of course a good one.

Sorry, I forgot the link: http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/health-ministry-warns-increasing-use-formalin-vendors-fresh-markets/

[GuestHouse]

To most,Thais everything is Organic ??

This is changing fast.

We have a number of customers for vegetables we produce who go well out of their way to buy directly from us and while these people were initially educated middle class, increasingly ordinary Thai people are coming along to buy organic vegetables and expressing concerns they have about chemicals in food.

Moreover, most of the Thai market gardeners I know grow two crops - The crop for market, which they spay with chemicals and the crop for their own family which they do not spray.

Awareness is growing.

[h90]

Last time they had nothing....either pre ordered already or used for the demonstrations.

Also I doubt they have meat

they are vegetarian

yes that makes it pointless....organic vegetables are available in better supermarkets. Eggs are more difficult but still possible to get. Chicken and pork (or any other meat) and milk products are a problem.

I thought you said you cant trust them to be really organic

Supermarkets have mostly royal project

[h90]

i have cockerals running with my chickens, there the ones we eat,

i have male ducks (drakes) running with my ducks,

no my pigs dont run outside to hot here, sunburn,,,,,but they are very very well looked after thats why i have a waiting list to buy pigs from me,

they get comersial pig feed,,,

no pig swil here to be had in thailand,, not that i would like to give them that,, they do get veg cuttings, banana stem when we take the bannanas off,

These friends of us who have pigs in the south, let them outside (actually they have no place for them anywhere inside). But they have black hair. So they are black not pink. Some with white spots (They can speak for hours that their pigs look like Panda bears....easy to entertain these folks )

They partially give them food, shredded bananas, left overs from their food and sometimes commercial food. Else what they can find.....which often cause some problems with the neighbors.

They don't have males. Some pigs disappears for a week or so and where ever they go they get pregnant.

I see that as perfect life for the pigs....just these guys are so unprofessional that they can't send over meat...and if they could it would be rotten before....

[pigeonjake]

here you go some of our happy animals,

and the stuff the pigs are bedded on is great for our garden,

ive got to start growing more veg but that will come once i do retire fully,

we have lots of plans but it all takes time, and that is what ill have plenty of,

jake

[h90]

here you go some of our happy animals,

and the stuff the pigs are bedded on is great for our garden,

ive got to start growing more veg but that will come once i do retire fully,

we have lots of plans but it all takes time, and that is what ill have plenty of,

jake

looks great! Do you have any way for shipping chicken to Bangkok?

Pork would be also great but you have a waiting list.....

[pigeonjake]

sorry mate, dont have,

im sure if you have a look round just outside bkk you could find a farmer,?

i dont have any thai chickens at all, i have layers but as you can see running round, and i have the old banties that i use for sitting the laying hens eggs,

i have 3 different typ of ducks, some for laying, karkies,,

some for meat, im not going to try and spell ayelbury,,,lol

and we have moskovies, for sitting the others eggs and to eat,

one i get growing more veg ill be looking to be very self sufficient, in food ways,

we have fruit trees, this will be the first year they have given anything, but like i said before i have time on my hands,

we have fish in the pond behind the pig stys, blah duck and blah nin,

blah nin is beautiful on a barbi, or just fried in batter same as in the uk,

ive even got pigoens, budgies and zebra finches, a proper little zoo,,

ill get some sheep when like i say retire, they will keep the grass down round the trees, and you cant beet a nice bit of lamb,,

[h90]

sorry mate, dont have,

im sure if you have a look round just outside bkk you could find a farmer,?

i dont have any thai chickens at all, i have layers but as you can see running round, and i have the old banties that i use for sitting the laying hens eggs,

i have 3 different typ of ducks, some for laying, karkies,,

some for meat, im not going to try and spell ayelbury,,,lol

and we have moskovies, for sitting the others eggs and to eat,

one i get growing more veg ill be looking to be very self sufficient, in food ways,

we have fruit trees, this will be the first year they have given anything, but like i said before i have time on my hands,

we have fish in the pond behind the pig stys, blah duck and blah nin,

blah nin is beautiful on a barbi, or just fried in batter same as in the uk,

ive even got pigoens, budgies and zebra finches, a proper little zoo,,

ill get some sheep when like i say retire, they will keep the grass down round the trees, and you cant beet a nice bit of lamb,,

You absolute must increase that

There is an increasing amount of people who are willing to pay more for organic. Specially wealthy Chinese-Thais get sensitive on that + Bangkok is big...many potential customer.

Might be possible to make good money with it, specially if you can take the food for the animals from your farm as well.

Just a lot work...

[pigeonjake]

ive never been scared of hard work, im working class,lol

these are things ill look into in the next few years,

our pork is beautifull, makes brillient sausage,

and our chickens just taist, well different,

i understand what your saying, but you will allways have to give some comersial feed to pigs, i give our pigs a lot of corn too, i soak it in water with a little malasis on it for 24hours just to soften it a little and they love it,

the chickens have the same,

i know in the uk come christmas time corn fed chickens are a good price my mum still does a few, along with turkeys,and a few gease,

i can buy corn at a good price strait from the mills, same as the molasis,

any bananas,fruit and veg we dont eat goes to the animals,

[h90]

Great.....The supermarket chicken just don't taste. I can't tell what is wrong but they don't taste as good as the real thing.

The supermarket pork doesn't taste like pork. It doesn't taste bad but the pork taste is complete missing.

We had dishes, I couldn't tell if my wife used pork or beef. Complete tasteless

[TheFishman1]

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