If Scotland votes to leave is the pound doomed?

[transam]

In the case of protecting their territorial waters from encroachments by the Russians and anyone else, the independent Scots would do what Ireland or Taiwan or any other small country would do: they would make alliances, perhaps with the UK in exchange perhaps for harboring the Royal Fleet, or with the US, or join NATO. Not necessary to sacrifice their sovereignty to make a military alliance, although junior partners always have less say in such matters.

Has the Yes camp really thought this through.

Faslane.

On independence, Scotland will inherit the barracks, air bases and naval bases on its territory, including Faslane. These will form the starting point for a new Scottish Defence Force.

How the defence forces of an independent Scotland are set up will be for future elected Scottish Governments to decide, just as the Westminster government is currently responsible for deciding the shape and size of UK defence forces.

The current Scottish Government has set out proposals in its white paper - "Scotland's Future: Your Guide to an Independent Scotland" - for the transition of Faslane from a nuclear submarine base to Scotland's main naval base and joint force headquarters. The transition would take place over the course of a decade. It is the expectation of the Government that that the number of military personnel at Faslane will match the numbers that are there currently, supported by a significant number of cilivilian personnel.

Lossiemouth

Will the UK defence system be weakened?

"From Summer 2014, the Northern Quick Reaction Alert (QRA) force of Typhoon FGR4 will relocate to Lossiemouth following the closure of RAF Leuchars. This will leave Lossiemouth as the only operational RAF base in Scotland."

Dounreay

Have the yes camp been advised of the costs involved with the outstanding work required at Dounreay? According to their own documentation, they will "inherit" the problem.

"On 1 April 2005 the Nuclear Decommissioning Authority (NDA) became the owner of the site, with the UKAEA remaining as operator. Decommissioning of Dounreay was initially planned to bring the site to an interim care and surveillance state by 2036, and as a brownfield site by 2336, at a total cost of £2.9 billion."

"In 2011 the MoD stated that NRTE could be scaled down or closed after 2015 when the current series of tests ends. Computer modelling and confidence in new reactor designs meant testing would no longer be necessary. The cost of decommissioning NRTE facilities when they become redundant, including nuclear waste disposal, was estimated at £2.1 billion in 2005."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dounreay

Yep, production f stuff is in full flow............

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[paddyjenkins]

In the case of protecting their territorial waters from encroachments by the Russians and anyone else, the independent Scots would do what Ireland or Taiwan or any other small country would do: they would make alliances, perhaps with the UK in exchange perhaps for harboring the Royal Fleet, or with the US, or join NATO. Not necessary to sacrifice their sovereignty to make a military alliance, although junior partners always have less say in such matters.

Has the Yes camp really thought this through.

Faslane.

On independence, Scotland will inherit the barracks, air bases and naval bases on its territory, including Faslane. These will form the starting point for a new Scottish Defence Force.

How the defence forces of an independent Scotland are set up will be for future elected Scottish Governments to decide, just as the Westminster government is currently responsible for deciding the shape and size of UK defence forces.

The current Scottish Government has set out proposals in its white paper - "Scotland's Future: Your Guide to an Independent Scotland" - for the transition of Faslane from a nuclear submarine base to Scotland's main naval base and joint force headquarters. The transition would take place over the course of a decade. It is the expectation of the Government that that the number of military personnel at Faslane will match the numbers that are there currently, supported by a significant number of cilivilian personnel.

Lossiemouth

Will the UK defence system be weakened?

"From Summer 2014, the Northern Quick Reaction Alert (QRA) force of Typhoon FGR4 will relocate to Lossiemouth following the closure of RAF Leuchars. This will leave Lossiemouth as the only operational RAF base in Scotland."

Dounreay

Have the yes camp been advised of the costs involved with the outstanding work required at Dounreay? According to their own documentation, they will "inherit" the problem.

"On 1 April 2005 the Nuclear Decommissioning Authority (NDA) became the owner of the site, with the UKAEA remaining as operator. Decommissioning of Dounreay was initially planned to bring the site to an interim care and surveillance state by 2036, and as a brownfield site by 2336, at a total cost of £2.9 billion."

"In 2011 the MoD stated that NRTE could be scaled down or closed after 2015 when the current series of tests ends. Computer modelling and confidence in new reactor designs meant testing would no longer be necessary. The cost of decommissioning NRTE facilities when they become redundant, including nuclear waste disposal, was estimated at £2.1 billion in 2005."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dounreay

They may inherit the barracks, the airbases and the naval bases, but that won't include the soldiers, the guns, the planes, or the ships.

[Ace of Pop]

Apart from Scotland being free to impose a Thai Style immigration policy that keeps freeloaders out, what would they gain.?.

[chiang mai]

........or the ships.

What's with the plural!

[i claudius]

Scotland will not vote to leave ,turkeys never vote for xmas ,

[metisdead]

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[Chopperboy]

As far as I am concerned what we all need is independance from a bunch of Psychopathic Elites who control most of the planet and its resources via their military, intelligence networks, secret societies, banksters & fraudulent markets. Scottish independance will likely do nothing to help achieve that, as all that will happen is the banksters and their front institutions like the IMF, World bank, Bank of International Settlements etc.. will just role up with the first tranch of indebtedness.

[Chopperboy]

The film covers Professor Robertson’s meticulous approach that overall did uncover general evidence of bias and particularly repetition of 'bad news'. The techniques used such as sequencing of stories, reliance on sources such as the Treasury, OBR and IFS, demonisation of First Minister Alex Salmond and use of 'experts' were all more telling.

Professor Robertson promotes the idea of greater political transparency of those offering media opinion on the debate.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ajd4R-9BEIw

[jpinx]

Ownership of these "properties" lies with the various UK bodies , so the on-going costs will be borne by those organisations. Title to property does not change on independence day

[transam]

Ownership of these "properties" lies with the various UK bodies , so the on-going costs will be borne by those organisations. Title to property does not change on independence day

And UK military stuff must be removed cos now we are woooooosies.....

But we may call on the English and Welsh to deal with or wooooosiness if a problemmmmmmmmmmm. Gawd 'elp us.............

[jpinx]

Assuming there is a divorce settlement the "stuff" may well be left behind

[transam]

Assuming there is a divorce settlement the "stuff" may well be left behind

I was expecting a more intellectual answer.....

[jpinx]

That would require an intellectual question

[transam]

That would require an intellectual question

Weeeeeeeell, I will give a bit of info. If folk have to retreat they render stuff useless. Sure you understand that...

[jpinx]

Who's retreating ?

[transam]

Who's retreating ?

Seems you do not understand stuff...........You must be a YES bloke..........

[sandyf]

In the case of protecting their territorial waters from encroachments by the Russians and anyone else, the independent Scots would do what Ireland or Taiwan or any other small country would do: they would make alliances, perhaps with the UK in exchange perhaps for harboring the Royal Fleet, or with the US, or join NATO. Not necessary to sacrifice their sovereignty to make a military alliance, although junior partners always have less say in such matters.

Has the Yes camp really thought this through.

Faslane.

On independence, Scotland will inherit the barracks, air bases and naval bases on its territory, including Faslane. These will form the starting point for a new Scottish Defence Force.

How the defence forces of an independent Scotland are set up will be for future elected Scottish Governments to decide, just as the Westminster government is currently responsible for deciding the shape and size of UK defence forces.

The current Scottish Government has set out proposals in its white paper - "Scotland's Future: Your Guide to an Independent Scotland" - for the transition of Faslane from a nuclear submarine base to Scotland's main naval base and joint force headquarters. The transition would take place over the course of a decade. It is the expectation of the Government that that the number of military personnel at Faslane will match the numbers that are there currently, supported by a significant number of cilivilian personnel.

Lossiemouth

Will the UK defence system be weakened?

"From Summer 2014, the Northern Quick Reaction Alert (QRA) force of Typhoon FGR4 will relocate to Lossiemouth following the closure of RAF Leuchars. This will leave Lossiemouth as the only operational RAF base in Scotland."

Dounreay

Have the yes camp been advised of the costs involved with the outstanding work required at Dounreay? According to their own documentation, they will "inherit" the problem.

"On 1 April 2005 the Nuclear Decommissioning Authority (NDA) became the owner of the site, with the UKAEA remaining as operator. Decommissioning of Dounreay was initially planned to bring the site to an interim care and surveillance state by 2036, and as a brownfield site by 2336, at a total cost of £2.9 billion."

"In 2011 the MoD stated that NRTE could be scaled down or closed after 2015 when the current series of tests ends. Computer modelling and confidence in new reactor designs meant testing would no longer be necessary. The cost of decommissioning NRTE facilities when they become redundant, including nuclear waste disposal, was estimated at £2.1 billion in 2005."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dounreay

They may inherit the barracks, the airbases and the naval bases, but that won't include the soldiers, the guns, the planes, or the ships.

If you read the documentation Salmond's proposal is that he thinks they will. The ships are to come from the existing naval fleet and the QRA aircraft are to be maintained at Lossiemouth. What he fails to state is how they intend to fund or operate the maritime and air defence. The text indicates that all existing defence facilities will be negotiated with the UK government on a shared basis.

If it is a yes vote I cannot see David Cameron doing a great deal of negotiation.

[sandyf]

Ownership of these "properties" lies with the various UK bodies , so the on-going costs will be borne by those organisations. Title to property does not change on independence day

This is a bit subjective. The military bases would currently be owned by the MoD and the land would go to Scotland, as would all public buildings. The 'YES' document states the main bases will be used by the Scottish Defence Force.

Private land is a different matter and as far as Dounreay is concerned the UKAEA and the Royal Navy have a moral obligation to put things right, after all it was their incompetence that led to the land being contaminated.

However if Salmond turns his back on the national debt, again a moral obligation, the UK may turn its back on Dounreay.

[rgs2001uk]

Ownership of these "properties" lies with the various UK bodies , so the on-going costs will be borne by those organisations. Title to property does not change on independence day

This is a bit subjective. The military bases would currently be owned by the MoD and the land would go to Scotland, as would all public buildings. The 'YES' document states the main bases will be used by the Scottish Defence Force.

Private land is a different matter and as far as Dounreay is concerned the UKAEA and the Royal Navy have a moral obligation to put things right, after all it was their incompetence that led to the land being contaminated.

However if Salmond turns his back on the national debt, again a moral obligation, the UK may turn its back on Dounreay.

Ok sussed it now, Salmond will do a Phillipines type arrangment and lease the HASs to Putin.

Russian lessons to be introduced in Elgin and Lossiemouth schools, all the ROV ex military types head south.

SDF LOL.

Arise Air Marshall Sir Alex of Salmond.

[jpinx]

Ownership of these "properties" lies with the various UK bodies , so the on-going costs will be borne by those organisations. Title to property does not change on independence day

This is a bit subjective. The military bases would currently be owned by the MoD and the land would go to Scotland, as would all public buildings. The 'YES' document states the main bases will be used by the Scottish Defence Force.

Private land is a different matter and as far as Dounreay is concerned the UKAEA and the Royal Navy have a moral obligation to put things right, after all it was their incompetence that led to the land being contaminated.

However if Salmond turns his back on the national debt, again a moral obligation, the UK may turn its back on Dounreay.

Indeed -- though I believe the YES camp have promised to pay their share as part of the general horse-trading that'll have to go on. It's a bit like the "Scotland's Oil" myth -- that belongs to oil companies - not UK and not Scotland. I noticed elsewhere that there are new techniques for extracting oil and gas in the North Sea, some development of the fracking process, which will give the "English" part of the North Sea a new lease of life and many more years of production. No doubt the oil companies will also develop some new methods for the Scottish areas as and when demand warrants.

[NanLaew]

In the case of protecting their territorial waters from encroachments by the Russians and anyone else, the independent Scots would do what Ireland or Taiwan or any other small country would do: they would make alliances, perhaps with the UK in exchange perhaps for harboring the Royal Fleet, or with the US, or join NATO. Not necessary to sacrifice their sovereignty to make a military alliance, although junior partners always have less say in such matters.

They won't find the English in the mood for alliances if they default on their debt. That's the point.

Just as the English would be foolish not to " gie's a haun" with our debt or have us leave their northern flank wide open.

Hasn't debt default traditionally been a leg opener?

A'things negotiable... even cutting off ones nose to spite ones face.

[adammike]

like all separations they will divy up the goods and chattels the planes,ships,right down to the last gun

and bullet and set of bagpipes, Scotland may well use the

pound,they will negotiate membership of NATO and the nuclear free Scotland will quietly fade away.

There is a great big Elephant in the room and that's the oil the oil belongs to the UK and the rest will want there

share, a yes vote will mean the gloves will come off the Westminster crowd have not said anything that will offend

the Scottish population up to a yes vote then a shit storm

will hit the UK like you have never seen.

About 5,000,000 I believe have the right to vote in the referendum so 2,000,001 can change the fate of Scotland.

The Scottish ex-pat's are a bit pissed off.

[jpinx]

like all separations they will divy up the goods and chattels the planes,ships,right down to the last gun

and bullet and set of bagpipes, Scotland may well use the

pound,they will negotiate membership of NATO and the nuclear free Scotland will quietly fade away.

There is a great big Elephant in the room and that's the oil the oil belongs to the UK and the rest will want there

share, a yes vote will mean the gloves will come off the Westminster crowd have not said anything that will offend

the Scottish population up to a yes vote then a shit storm

will hit the UK like you have never seen.

About 5,000,000 I believe have the right to vote in the referendum so 2,000,001 can change the fate of Scotland.

The Scottish ex-pat's are a bit pissed off.

Whilst it is in the ground and untapped the oil belongs to the country under which it lies, but as soon as an oil company has paid the exploration and drilling licenses it belongs to them to do with it what they want. There'll be no storm over that topic

Scottish expats who have dis-enfranchised themselves from their voting rights have only themselves to blame. If they were such loyal Scots - why don't they keep a residence there?

[transam]

like all separations they will divy up the goods and chattels the planes,ships,right down to the last gun

and bullet and set of bagpipes, Scotland may well use the

pound,they will negotiate membership of NATO and the nuclear free Scotland will quietly fade away.

There is a great big Elephant in the room and that's the oil the oil belongs to the UK and the rest will want there

share, a yes vote will mean the gloves will come off the Westminster crowd have not said anything that will offend

the Scottish population up to a yes vote then a shit storm

will hit the UK like you have never seen.

About 5,000,000 I believe have the right to vote in the referendum so 2,000,001 can change the fate of Scotland.

The Scottish ex-pat's are a bit pissed off.

Scottish expats who have dis-enfranchised themselves from their voting rights have only themselves to blame. If they were such loyal Scots - why don't they keep a residence there?

, I keep reading here how Scots are living in poverty and now you suggest they should have a second home. Just so they cancel out a vote from an African......

[jpinx]

like all separations they will divy up the goods and chattels the planes,ships,right down to the last gun

and bullet and set of bagpipes, Scotland may well use the

pound,they will negotiate membership of NATO and the nuclear free Scotland will quietly fade away.

There is a great big Elephant in the room and that's the oil the oil belongs to the UK and the rest will want there

share, a yes vote will mean the gloves will come off the Westminster crowd have not said anything that will offend

the Scottish population up to a yes vote then a shit storm

will hit the UK like you have never seen.

About 5,000,000 I believe have the right to vote in the referendum so 2,000,001 can change the fate of Scotland.

The Scottish ex-pat's are a bit pissed off.

Scottish expats who have dis-enfranchised themselves from their voting rights have only themselves to blame. If they were such loyal Scots - why don't they keep a residence there?

, I keep reading here how Scots are living in poverty and now you suggest they should have a second home. Just so they cancel out a vote from an African......

Residence does not need ownership

[transam]

like all separations they will divy up the goods and chattels the planes,ships,right down to the last gun

and bullet and set of bagpipes, Scotland may well use the

pound,they will negotiate membership of NATO and the nuclear free Scotland will quietly fade away.

There is a great big Elephant in the room and that's the oil the oil belongs to the UK and the rest will want there

share, a yes vote will mean the gloves will come off the Westminster crowd have not said anything that will offend

the Scottish population up to a yes vote then a shit storm

will hit the UK like you have never seen.

About 5,000,000 I believe have the right to vote in the referendum so 2,000,001 can change the fate of Scotland.

The Scottish ex-pat's are a bit pissed off.

Scottish expats who have dis-enfranchised themselves from their voting rights have only themselves to blame. If they were such loyal Scots - why don't they keep a residence there?

, I keep reading here how Scots are living in poverty and now you suggest they should have a second home. Just so they cancel out a vote from an African......

Residence does not need ownership

Renting is not ownership but costs a lot of money....

[jpinx]

Scottish expats who have dis-enfranchised themselves from their voting rights have only themselves to blame. If they were such loyal Scots - why don't they keep a residence there?

, I keep reading here how Scots are living in poverty and now you suggest they should have a second home. Just so they cancel out a vote from an African......

Residence does not need ownership

Renting is not ownership but costs a lot of money....

Who said anything about renting ? Or are you discoursing with yourself?

[i claudius]

I thaught we were discussing if the pound would tank if Scotland leaves ,can we get back on track boys.

[Naam]

I thaught we were discussing if the pound would tank if Scotland leaves ,can we get back on track boys.

in my view wasted time. Scotland will not secede but will remain part of the Yewnighted Kingdom. period!

[tonika]

No jpinx, I can't, because someone's renting my property.