New evidence found in tourists’ murder case

[Fat Haggis]

I've already told you why, to make it look like the couple were intimate, and the first thing the cops did was say it was a crime of passion as they also "assumed" that the couple had been killed whilst commiting an act of intimacy. So the naked par worked, it bought the guilty ones time.

It throws off investigators it made them look at the obvious thing to them, and almost immediately the friend and his brother were Prime suspects.

It's called covering your tracks, or arranging the crime scene to make them think of a different scenario.

I don't agree with any of this, I think you're giving the killers far too much credit. Don't forget, these are the same people that left the murder weapon (hoe) behind, so that it was discovered with ease.

far too much credit, or not enough credit, by all accounts there's been zero fingerprints recovered from the Hoe, and the Police would have NO idea how many people handled it prior to it becoming a suspected murder weapon, remember the object that was used against David, hasn't as far as I'm aware been recovered.

As everyone has pointed out, these Hoes are very common all over thailand, and if it came from a buildng site, as suggested, how many workers prints do you think they'd find on that hoe, before eventually getting prints that linked the weapons to a person or persons?? .... time.. all more time, all more time to get further and further away from the crime scene.

Don't you think that given the time and the location of the murders, that it would be more difficult to just "walk through the area" with a bloodied hoe in your hands without someone noticing? Lots of the dive shops start opening early doors if they're going out on long trips.. too many people around that "could" notice a couple of geezers who one of them for sure would have been covered in Blood.

Why not strip your victim, take his board shorts and just walk away casually dumping your stuff in any number of a hundred bins along the pathway there, or even wrap them in a boulder and toss them below the low water mark... have police divers been searching around the shoreline for the other murder weapon?

I've not heard anything to suggest they have??

[LanceGringo]

I've already told you why, to make it look like the couple were intimate, and the first thing the cops did was say it was a crime of passion as they also "assumed" that the couple had been killed whilst commiting an act of intimacy. So the naked par worked, it bought the guilty ones time.

It throws off investigators it made them look at the obvious thing to them, and almost immediately the friend and his brother were Prime suspects.

It's called covering your tracks, or arranging the crime scene to make them think of a different scenario.

I don't agree with any of this, I think you're giving the killers far too much credit. Don't forget, these are the same people that left the murder weapon (hoe) behind, so that it was discovered with ease.

far too much credit, or not enough credit, by all accounts there's been zero fingerprints recovered from the Hoe, and the Police would have NO idea how many people handled it prior to it becoming a suspected murder weapon, remember the object that was used against David, hasn't as far as I'm aware been recovered.

As everyone has pointed out, these Hoes are very common all over thailand, and if it came from a buildng site, as suggested, how many workers prints do you think they'd find on that hoe, before eventually getting prints that linked the weapons to a person or persons?? .... time.. all more time, all more time to get further and further away from the crime scene.

Don't you think that given the time and the location of the murders, that it would be more difficult to just "walk through the area" with a bloodied hoe in your hands without someone noticing? Lots of the dive shops start opening early doors if they're going out on long trips.. too many people around that "could" notice a couple of geezers who one of them for sure would have been covered in Blood.

Why not strip your victim, take his board shorts and just walk away casually dumping your stuff in any number of a hundred bins along the pathway there, or even wrap them in a boulder and toss them below the low water mark... have police divers been searching around the shoreline for the other murder weapon?

I've not heard anything to suggest they have??

I believe the hoe had been stolen from a nearby garden? at least I think I read that in one of the reports somewhere. Also, I'm sure the police had revealed that they had found another item that they believed was the second weapon used, but as of yet nothing else has been mentioned about it.

if the murder took place around 4am then surely it would still be dark enough to carefully dispose of any bloody items/clothing without drawing much attention to yourself?

Perhaps they did take his shorts, police did say the man running on CCTV was wearing them - however, they have apparently caught that man, and questioned him, plus took DNA samples from him.

The police did have divers at the scene, but it has not been reported if they found anything or not.

[TV7]

I've already told you why, to make it look like the couple were intimate, and the first thing the cops did was say it was a crime of passion as they also "assumed" that the couple had been killed whilst commiting an act of intimacy. So the naked par worked, it bought the guilty ones time.

It throws off investigators it made them look at the obvious thing to them, and almost immediately the friend and his brother were Prime suspects.

It's called covering your tracks, or arranging the crime scene to make them think of a different scenario.

I don't agree with any of this, I think you're giving the killers far too much credit. Don't forget, these are the same people that left the murder weapon (hoe) behind, so that it was discovered with ease.

far too much credit, or not enough credit, by all accounts there's been zero fingerprints recovered from the Hoe, and the Police would have NO idea how many people handled it prior to it becoming a suspected murder weapon, remember the object that was used against David, hasn't as far as I'm aware been recovered.

As everyone has pointed out, these Hoes are very common all over thailand, and if it came from a buildng site, as suggested, how many workers prints do you think they'd find on that hoe, before eventually getting prints that linked the weapons to a person or persons?? .... time.. all more time, all more time to get further and further away from the crime scene.

Don't you think that given the time and the location of the murders, that it would be more difficult to just "walk through the area" with a bloodied hoe in your hands without someone noticing? Lots of the dive shops start opening early doors if they're going out on long trips.. too many people around that "could" notice a couple of geezers who one of them for sure would have been covered in Blood.

Why not strip your victim, take his board shorts and just walk away casually dumping your stuff in any number of a hundred bins along the pathway there, or even wrap them in a boulder and toss them below the low water mark... have police divers been searching around the shoreline for the other murder weapon?

I've not heard anything to suggest they have??

But the victim would have been covered in blood and so would his shorts. Not to mention they would have been way too big for a typical Thai who would have stood out a mile wearing them. You suggest that they acted in a cool manner, yet all the evidence of extreme frenzied violence suggests they were anything but cool. I agree with other posters that they may have been high on drugs, they saw H and D making out on the beach and thought they would join in. H and D resisted and that's when things got nasty. I also think that rather than slip away quietly they legged it from the beach, leaving Hannah's body with their DNA on her. If they had acted coolly they would have dragged her body into the sea as they did with David's body.. They may have legged it because they were disturbed by someone walking down the beach, and that could be the man in the CCTV who is seen running from the scene after finding the bodies.

[MJP]

So clothes can't come off whilst defending against multiple attackers? Especially loose fitting clothes whilst fighting in the sea?

[Fat Haggis]

why doesn't it make sense?

If I wanted to commit a murder, I wouldn't make it look like a murder, I'd take lots of precautions and leave red herrings or items that make no random sense, as it delays the thought process of the Investigators.

Have you never heard of murderers arranging bodies in particular manners and fashions? so as to make the Investigation team believe it wasn't a murder?

You never heard of evidence that was planted at the scene to throw the scent in anohter direction ?

You don't read much, or seem aware of the steps killers take to cover their tracks..

Case in point Ian Huntley.. killed two little girls in his house, then went on National TV saying it was horrible they were missing, and even joined in on the search party.

Open your mind as well as your eyes fella

You've been watching too many movies/TV series.

I believe this was a frenzied attack, done in the pitch black of night, no doubt it was done under either the influence of alcohol and/or drugs. You make it sound like they were cool and collected, that they had a plan, right down to the very last detail.

They weren't planning a jewel heist at a Las Vegas casino, like you're implying in your posts.

Actually I read a lot of books that have been written by ex coroners, policemen, federal agents, read up on a lot of articles about murders that have been solved and unsloved, watched plenty of national geographic documentaries about murder and crimes, and how people thought they'd get away with it, when often it's the tiniest of things that linked them to crimes...

OH and I also watched every season of CSI from New York, down to Miami

Frenzied attack you say, and no sounds of screams heard? the autopsy report stated that David struggled before his death, and that all the indications are that he fought with someone or persons.. Why no shouts for help?

Of course it was a frenzied attack, that would be quite obvious after seeing Hannah's injuries.

I never said they had a plan and that it was premitated, but IF, and it's a BIG IF, there's a connection to the bar incident, then sure, easily planned and premiditated.

Remember the initial reports, thet they were was found naked? No she wasn't , misinformation, looking for a quick solution, all the fingers pointed to the friend... misinfomation.. every single minute that passed, the murderes got further away.

Oh and by all accounts from people who actually live there, the island was never locked down either.. more misinformation.

[englishoak]

What would be the point of stripping David to make it look as if he and Hannah had been intimate, if they were then going to leave traces of their own semen at the scene - doesn't that defeat the purpose?

Think how since the very beginning there has been insinuation of it not being a Thai and bad behaviour by the victims... Yabba melts the brain and so does alcohol plus Thai gang type lads arnt exactly known for their logical thinking or brains if they have to mug people to make a living.

Everyone from top to bottom has been pretending its not then gagging for it not to be a Thai and the BS has been quite staggering.. and they arnt even the rape gang

The amount of dumb excuses and things ive seem and read people here do in crimes its not beyond the realms they completely missed the DNA trace they would leave behind ... thats if they even know what DNA testing is.

So they were off their heads on yaba yet they had the clarity of mind to strip one of the victims and hide his shorts and construct some elaborate scenario to make it look like they had come across two people having sex. This gets better.

I didnt say that, i said yabba melts the brain and the logic of how some people here think especially the uneducated would boggle your mind.

If you were a local gang youd want to keep it from your door and once something happens people tend to do whatever seems a good idea at the time.. however dumb or stupid it seems in the cold light of day when sober.

[phuketandsee]

They never give up do they?

According to Sunday's UK Guardian:

"Police Colonel Kissana Phathanacharoen said: "We have discovered fresh evidence which could lead to a new suspect who may have had a relationship or one-night stand with Hannah or one of her friends or David the night before they were killed".

[TV7]

why doesn't it make sense?

If I wanted to commit a murder, I wouldn't make it look like a murder, I'd take lots of precautions and leave red herrings or items that make no random sense, as it delays the thought process of the Investigators.

Have you never heard of murderers arranging bodies in particular manners and fashions? so as to make the Investigation team believe it wasn't a murder?

You never heard of evidence that was planted at the scene to throw the scent in anohter direction ?

You don't read much, or seem aware of the steps killers take to cover their tracks..

Case in point Ian Huntley.. killed two little girls in his house, then went on National TV saying it was horrible they were missing, and even joined in on the search party.

Open your mind as well as your eyes fella

You've been watching too many movies/TV series.

I believe this was a frenzied attack, done in the pitch black of night, no doubt it was done under either the influence of alcohol and/or drugs. You make it sound like they were cool and collected, that they had a plan, right down to the very last detail.

They weren't planning a jewel heist at a Las Vegas casino, like you're implying in your posts.

Actually I read a lot of books that have been written by ex coroners, policemen, federal agents, read up on a lot of articles about murders that have been solved and unsloved, watched plenty of national geographic documentaries about murder and crimes, and how people thought they'd get away with it, when often it's the tiniest of things that linked them to crimes...

OH and I also watched every season of CSI from New York, down to Miami

Frenzied attack you say, and no sounds of screams heard? the autopsy report stated that David struggled before his death, and that all the indications are that he fought with someone or persons.. Why no shouts for help?

Of course it was a frenzied attack, that would be quite obvious after seeing Hannah's injuries.

I never said they had a plan and that it was premitated, but IF, and it's a BIG IF, there's a connection to the bar incident, then sure, easily planned and premiditated.

Remember the initial reports, thet they were was found naked? No she wasn't , misinformation, looking for a quick solution, all the fingers pointed to the friend... misinfomation.. every single minute that passed, the murderes got further away.

Oh and by all accounts from people who actually live there, the island was never locked down either.. more misinformation.

Hannah was essentially naked, her top and skirt were wrapped around her waist with no underwear and her legs parted

[Fat Haggis]

What would be the point of stripping David to make it look as if he and Hannah had been intimate, if they were then going to leave traces of their own semen at the scene - doesn't that defeat the purpose?

Think how since the very beginning there has been insinuation of it not being a Thai and bad behaviour by the victims... Yabba melts the brain and so does alcohol plus Thai gang type lads arnt exactly known for their logical thinking or brains if they have to mug people to make a living.

Everyone from top to bottom has been pretending its not then gagging for it not to be a Thai and the BS has been quite staggering.. and they arnt even the rape gang

The amount of dumb excuses and things ive seem and read people here do in crimes its not beyond the realms they completely missed the DNA trace they would leave behind ... thats if they even know what DNA testing is.

So they were off their heads on yaba yet they had the clarity of mind to strip one of the victims and hide his shorts and construct some elaborate scenario to make it look like they had come across two people having sex. This gets better.

They had the clarity to rape and sodomise her..

[englishoak]

I've already told you why, to make it look like the couple were intimate, and the first thing the cops did was say it was a crime of passion as they also "assumed" that the couple had been killed whilst commiting an act of intimacy. So the naked par worked, it bought the guilty ones time.

It throws off investigators it made them look at the obvious thing to them, and almost immediately the friend and his brother were Prime suspects.

It's called covering your tracks, or arranging the crime scene to make them think of a different scenario.

I don't agree with any of this, I think you're giving the killers far too much credit. Don't forget, these are the same people that left the murder weapon (hoe) behind, so that it was discovered with ease.

far too much credit, or not enough credit, by all accounts there's been zero fingerprints recovered from the Hoe, and the Police would have NO idea how many people handled it prior to it becoming a suspected murder weapon, remember the object that was used against David, hasn't as far as I'm aware been recovered.

As everyone has pointed out, these Hoes are very common all over thailand, and if it came from a buildng site, as suggested, how many workers prints do you think they'd find on that hoe, before eventually getting prints that linked the weapons to a person or persons?? .... time.. all more time, all more time to get further and further away from the crime scene.

Don't you think that given the time and the location of the murders, that it would be more difficult to just "walk through the area" with a bloodied hoe in your hands without someone noticing? Lots of the dive shops start opening early doors if they're going out on long trips.. too many people around that "could" notice a couple of geezers who one of them for sure would have been covered in Blood.

Why not strip your victim, take his board shorts and just walk away casually dumping your stuff in any number of a hundred bins along the pathway there, or even wrap them in a boulder and toss them below the low water mark... have police divers been searching around the shoreline for the other murder weapon?

I've not heard anything to suggest they have??

But the victim would have been covered in blood and so would his shorts. Not to mention they would have been way too big for a typical Thai who would have stood out a mile wearing them. You suggest that they acted in a cool manner, yet all the evidence of extreme frenzied violence suggests they were anything but cool. I agree with other posters that they may have been high on drugs, they saw H and D making out on the beach and thought they would join in. H and D resisted and that's when things got nasty. I also think that rather than slip away quietly they legged it from the beach, leaving Hannah's body with their DNA on her. If they had acted coolly they would have dragged her body into the sea as they did with David's body.. They may have legged it because they were disturbed by someone walking down the beach, and that could be the man in the CCTV who is seen running from the scene after finding the bodies.

Only one problem with that, the DNA of Hanna and another on a cigarette butt 50 meters away does not suggest they came upon D and H by chance at all but rather had contact with H at some point before...

This would suggest it was a premeditated confrontation, it may have got out of hand yes and at that point people stop thinking clearly even if sober they just go with on the spot decisions often illogical and stupid to people after the fact.

[TV7]

So clothes can't come off whilst defending against multiple attackers? Especially loose fitting clothes whilst fighting in the sea?

Who said they were fighting in the sea?

[MJP]

So clothes can't come off whilst defending against multiple attackers? Especially loose fitting clothes whilst fighting in the sea?

Who said they were fighting in the sea?

David died by drowning as well as head injuries.

[TV7]

I've already told you why, to make it look like the couple were intimate, and the first thing the cops did was say it was a crime of passion as they also "assumed" that the couple had been killed whilst commiting an act of intimacy. So the naked par worked, it bought the guilty ones time.

It throws off investigators it made them look at the obvious thing to them, and almost immediately the friend and his brother were Prime suspects.

It's called covering your tracks, or arranging the crime scene to make them think of a different scenario.

I don't agree with any of this, I think you're giving the killers far too much credit. Don't forget, these are the same people that left the murder weapon (hoe) behind, so that it was discovered with ease.

far too much credit, or not enough credit, by all accounts there's been zero fingerprints recovered from the Hoe, and the Police would have NO idea how many people handled it prior to it becoming a suspected murder weapon, remember the object that was used against David, hasn't as far as I'm aware been recovered.

As everyone has pointed out, these Hoes are very common all over thailand, and if it came from a buildng site, as suggested, how many workers prints do you think they'd find on that hoe, before eventually getting prints that linked the weapons to a person or persons?? .... time.. all more time, all more time to get further and further away from the crime scene.

Don't you think that given the time and the location of the murders, that it would be more difficult to just "walk through the area" with a bloodied hoe in your hands without someone noticing? Lots of the dive shops start opening early doors if they're going out on long trips.. too many people around that "could" notice a couple of geezers who one of them for sure would have been covered in Blood.

Why not strip your victim, take his board shorts and just walk away casually dumping your stuff in any number of a hundred bins along the pathway there, or even wrap them in a boulder and toss them below the low water mark... have police divers been searching around the shoreline for the other murder weapon?

I've not heard anything to suggest they have??

But the victim would have been covered in blood and so would his shorts. Not to mention they would have been way too big for a typical Thai who would have stood out a mile wearing them. You suggest that they acted in a cool manner, yet all the evidence of extreme frenzied violence suggests they were anything but cool. I agree with other posters that they may have been high on drugs, they saw H and D making out on the beach and thought they would join in. H and D resisted and that's when things got nasty. I also think that rather than slip away quietly they legged it from the beach, leaving Hannah's body with their DNA on her. If they had acted coolly they would have dragged her body into the sea as they did with David's body.. They may have legged it because they were disturbed by someone walking down the beach, and that could be the man in the CCTV who is seen running from the scene after finding the bodies.

Only one problem with that, the DNA of Hanna and another on a cigarette butt 50 meters away does not suggest they came upon D and H by chance at all but rather had contact with H at some point before...

This would suggest it was a premeditated confrontation, it may have got out of hand yes and at that point people stop thinking clearly even if sober they just go with on the spot decisions often illogical and stupid to people after the fact.

Don't know about you but I'm sceptical about this DNA on a cigarette butt found 50 metres away. But it is entirely possible that Hannah did have a cigarette with the killers, and that they observed her going down to the beach with David

[Fat Haggis]

why doesn't it make sense?

If I wanted to commit a murder, I wouldn't make it look like a murder, I'd take lots of precautions and leave red herrings or items that make no random sense, as it delays the thought process of the Investigators.

Have you never heard of murderers arranging bodies in particular manners and fashions? so as to make the Investigation team believe it wasn't a murder?

You never heard of evidence that was planted at the scene to throw the scent in anohter direction ?

You don't read much, or seem aware of the steps killers take to cover their tracks..

Case in point Ian Huntley.. killed two little girls in his house, then went on National TV saying it was horrible they were missing, and even joined in on the search party.

Open your mind as well as your eyes fella

You've been watching too many movies/TV series.

I believe this was a frenzied attack, done in the pitch black of night, no doubt it was done under either the influence of alcohol and/or drugs. You make it sound like they were cool and collected, that they had a plan, right down to the very last detail.

They weren't planning a jewel heist at a Las Vegas casino, like you're implying in your posts.

Actually I read a lot of books that have been written by ex coroners, policemen, federal agents, read up on a lot of articles about murders that have been solved and unsloved, watched plenty of national geographic documentaries about murder and crimes, and how people thought they'd get away with it, when often it's the tiniest of things that linked them to crimes...

OH and I also watched every season of CSI from New York, down to Miami

Frenzied attack you say, and no sounds of screams heard? the autopsy report stated that David struggled before his death, and that all the indications are that he fought with someone or persons.. Why no shouts for help?

Of course it was a frenzied attack, that would be quite obvious after seeing Hannah's injuries.

I never said they had a plan and that it was premitated, but IF, and it's a BIG IF, there's a connection to the bar incident, then sure, easily planned and premiditated.

Remember the initial reports, thet they were was found naked? No she wasn't , misinformation, looking for a quick solution, all the fingers pointed to the friend... misinfomation.. every single minute that passed, the murderes got further away.

Oh and by all accounts from people who actually live there, the island was never locked down either.. more misinformation.

Hannah was essentially naked, her top and skirt were wrapped around her waist with no underwear and her legs parted

she wasn't naked though, I've seen the pictures, I tried not to go into explicit detail out of respect for the family who have been reading these threads, as have Davids friends.

If you still have clothes on, even if they have been "rearranged" it's not even close to being naked, being naked means devoid of any garments what so ever.

[TV7]

So clothes can't come off whilst defending against multiple attackers? Especially loose fitting clothes whilst fighting in the sea?

Who said they were fighting in the sea?

David died by drowning as well as head injuries.

Yes because the killers dragged his body into the sea in an attempt to hide the evidence

[MJP]

So clothes can't come off whilst defending against multiple attackers? Especially loose fitting clothes whilst fighting in the sea?

Who said they were fighting in the sea?

David died by drowning as well as head injuries.

Yes because the killers dragged his body into the sea in an attempt to hide the evidence

Salt water in his lungs.

[Fat Haggis]

TV7, you seem so insistent that David and Hannah were either in the act, or about to commit an intimate act, despite all the CCTV footage that doesn't show them leaving togther, it's almost like you're "willing" this to be true... why?

It's amost like you hope that this was the reason they were killed...why?

You've dismissed a lot of things like evidence, and reports etc, that have surfaced since their murder as well.. why?

Sounds more like you're trolling, rather than wanting to see justice done??

[TV7]

TV7, you seem so insistent that David and Hannah were either in the act, or about to commit an intimate act, despite all the CCTV footage that doesn't show them leaving togther, it's almost like you're "willing" this to be true... why?

It's amost like you hope that this was the reason they were killed...why?

You've dismissed a lot of things like evidence, and reports etc, that have surfaced since their murder as well.. why?

Sounds more like you're trolling, rather than wanting to see justice done??

Don't be stupid I have put forward a very plausible theory backed by photos and evidence from reports. You have put forward fanciful notions about the killers stripping David of his shorts after they have just hacked him to death and wearing the shorts to make an escape. As I have said in my posts whatever happened between David and Hannah on the beach they didn't deserve to die, and in my view they were doing nothing wrong.

[englishoak]

Whatever guys, bury it.... assume this is on the level for now and get on social media and tweet who you know the more media the better or make some phone calls . Sean has been working on Island for a good while.... if hes there atm his life is seriously in danger.

British embassy have been contacted and police on the way...

Edited September 21, 2014 by englishoak

[Snookyville]

I was merely pointing out neither was there any evidence to link the two as an item. Period, the only thing that would is gossip. It is simple to make the scene seem something by stripping the lad and positioning. A good % of travellers dont get hammered, some do but none look the worse for wear during the evening to that extent.

People in groups in the same guesthouse often spend time together on and off simply because they become GH companions nothing more

There are plenty of reasons david may have stripped, or been stripped before or after, we do not know. They didnt have to be doing a thing sexually, maybe David stumbled onto the gang with Hannah, maybe she was under threat, maybe he was forced to strip, maybe it was done after to make it look like it does. Or maybe the clothes were taken because they had someone's blood on them ie evidence... Whoever did this HATED farang at that point, enough to use extreme force so the state of mind is of rage and they could be thinking anything, or prepared to do anything that seemed a good idea to them to make it appear like it was just two more tourists scum having sex on the beach disrespecting Thailand...I think its anything but.

Fact is there is NO evidence of any sexual relations at all so far between David and Hannah

Fact is Hannahs DNA seems to be on a cigarette butt along with anothers DNA but not Davids

Fact is indications are David had got to the GH then gone back out, possibly looking for Hannah

Fact is there is evidence to suggest David fought back, unlikely this would have been possible if caught from behind by surprise when naked and prone with a heavy object.

Fact is the day before two girls had been mugged and robbed in the same local area by a gang of Asian guys

​Fact is some gang on KT that evening are responsible, very possible the same gang as the mugging the day before.

It is just as possible David simply came upon the gang with Hannah whilst out looking and attempted to step in and help. From that point on is anyones guess but the conclusion is tragic.

And as for the final question why.... because they can.... high on yabba and they would not need any reason at all

Good fact tracing!

There is a lot of speculation about David being naked. In my opinion an explanation could be that David went back, met Hannah near the beach and decided to have a swim. So he went for a quick skinny-dip while she watched clothes and flip-flops etc. While in the water, the perpetrators arrived. Maybe things were even still friendly at the time as Hannah recognized one of the guys she just smoked a cigarette with. They might only have noticed Hannah as single easy target with David out in the dark, out in the water. When things went sour, David must have started screaming and running out of the water. Got clubbed over the head a couple times then got dragged back into the water to drown, or was already thought to be dead. Hannah must have been terrified being held by Perp 1 while Perp 2 was brutally killing David. They possibly did not even have to threat her much after seeing what they did to him.

Dear new friends at ThaiVisa (I just registered) these are useful principles for effective armchair detectives (myself included, no offense intended):

Hanlon's razor: Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.

Occam's razor: When faced with competing hypotheses, select the one that makes the fewest assumptions.

[englishoak]

Ive done a couple, but go for it Lance cant hurt to repeat it.

[SteveFong]

whoever the British reporter was, that was up on the story should be the first one tweeted, Andy, or something like that?

[SteveFong]

why are people so skeptical of the man who says he is being threatened?

if it was your child, would you be so fast to dismiss his claim?

[metisdead]

Posts containing links to a facebook page and calling for others to take a look at that link have been removed as per this forum rule:

6) You will not post comments that could be reasonably construed as defamation or libel.

Defamation is the issuance of a statement about another person or business which causes that person to suffer harm. It does not have to be false to be defamatory. Libel is when the defamatory statement is published either in a drawing, painting, cinematography, film, picture or letters made visible by any means, or any other recording instruments, recording picture or letters, or by broadcasting or spreading picture, or by propagation by any other means. Defamation is both a civil and criminal charge in Thailand.

As facebook is not an accredited source of information, the information posted on that facebook page could be construed as defamatory. Thailand has tough Libel laws and to save members any harm the posts have been removed. Please do not continue to link to the facebook site. Let's wait until some other news source breaks the news.

Due to the computer crime act in Thailand, it’s not wise to post screenshots of Sean McAnna’s FB page or to name the alleged killer yourself.

[jabis]

Apparently my post containing a link not to the underlined facebook-site, but to the nation website regarding the DNA-tests, went with the sweep too it seems. Oh well as it is already posted on the forum as a topic of it's own, not gonna re-post. And regarding my comments about McAnna sitution - let's just see how it unravels, before judging anybody. I'm rooting for McAnna's safe departure from LoS.

[apalink_thailand]

The 'chatting-up' of a pretty western girl by low-life local, subsequent blowing off by the girl and/or intervention by western male friend (thus loss of face for the Thai) is always going to be a possibility. Been in that position a number of times, can become very tricky. This scenario happened with the murdered Canadian chap in Pai and also the slain Brit couple in Kan -- both murders were perpetrated by cops -- while the Kirsty Jones murder in CM was possibly by an influential Thai. Not saying it's a cop in this case, but if someone who thinks they are someone has lost face and are even off their head on yabaa... well if you've spent time here you know the rest. Sick!

This, in my opinion too, is the likely scenario. Thais are not violent by nature but when loss of face occurs, especially when under the influence (and together with buddies) the reactions can be unpredictable. This was a crime of passion, as indicated by the brutality of the murder. I personally think that the perp is a local influential person (or son of) which usually means linked to the BiB in some way, this too could be why the local BiB is botching the investigation. There are precedences of this occurring, as you correctly mentioned.

[Thai at Heart]

What would be the point of stripping David to make it look as if he and Hannah had been intimate, if they were then going to leave traces of their own semen at the scene - doesn't that defeat the purpose?

Think how since the very beginning there has been insinuation of it not being a Thai and bad behaviour by the victims... Yabba melts the brain and so does alcohol plus Thai gang type lads arnt exactly known for their logical thinking or brains if they have to mug people to make a living.

Everyone from top to bottom has been pretending its not then gagging for it not to be a Thai and the BS has been quite staggering.. and they arnt even the rape gang

The amount of dumb excuses and things ive seem and read people here do in crimes its not beyond the realms they completely missed the DNA trace they would leave behind ... thats if they even know what DNA testing is.

So they were off their heads on yaba yet they had the clarity of mind to strip one of the victims and hide his shorts and construct some elaborate scenario to make it look like they had come across two people having sex. This gets better.

Whether or not the victims were having sex is absolutely irrelevant to finding the perpetrators.

It may explain a motive such as jealousy or wanting to rape.

But reality is, staging this by removing his clothes is pretty unlikely. It was pitch black, the attack was frenzied, the poor girl was raped.

The man was a tragic victim of circumstance.

[SteveFong]

the man was a tragic victim?

you are engaging in wild speculation as you know nothing of the man, or the crime

he may have unwittingly been involved,

he may have been trying to rescue the girl

in any case, his fists show he landed many blows,

someone has a beatup face on that island, or was seen beaten up

I would think this wouldnt be that hard to investigate, but, this is thailand so, I know better

[apalink_thailand]

I've already told you why, to make it look like the couple were intimate, and the first thing the cops did was say it was a crime of passion as they also "assumed" that the couple had been killed whilst commiting an act of intimacy. So the naked par worked, it bought the guilty ones time.

It throws off investigators it made them look at the obvious thing to them, and almost immediately the friend and his brother were Prime suspects.

It's called covering your tracks, or arranging the crime scene to make them think of a different scenario.

Respectfully, I must disagree. The crime took place late at night, was extremely violent and was relatively close to bungalows and other people. The likelihood is that the perps were under the influence and when so, do not think rationally. The brutality of the crime indicates much anger and angry people, possibly under the influence of alcohol or drugs, in a populated area do not stop to think how they can cover up the crime so elaborately. If they had the time to do so, they would possibly have used the hoe to bury or hide the victims and then hidden the murder weapon. In my experience in TH, there haven't been too many cases of well thought out and planned murders, especially not in the middle of the night on some little remote island by a bunch of beach goons. Just the uninformed opinion of someone who watches far too much Crime & Investigation Channel. Hope you don't mind. :-)

[Thai at Heart]

the man was a tragic victim?

you are engaging in wild speculation as you know nothing of the man, or the crime

he may have unwittingly been involved,

he may have been trying to rescue the girl

in any case, his fists show he landed many blows,

someone has a beatup face on that island, or was seen beaten up

I would think this wouldnt be that hard to investigate, but, this is thailand so, I know better

Either they killed him prior or after raping the girl. He was either there and killed because they wanted to rape her, or he tried to intervene while they raped her.

I don't see that as any other than making him a tragic victim. He may have jumped in, whihc would make him quite a hero.

I don't think they killed her to get to him.

If the Facebook event being talked about is true, it would seem the case just had a big breakthrough thankfully. Sad and typical that it takes a foreigner to announce it through Facebook.