Koh Tao murder probe 85% complete: Panya

[SteveFong]

I suggest people stay on the twitter feeds of the reporters following this case

I also posted on the Thailand Ex Pats page on Facebook with 24,000 members,

We need to stay on this, and I suggest everyone make themselves known to the Facebook group

[Thai at Heart]

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I think it goes without saying that all of this is very, very tough for the families to take. However, I also hope that they appreciate that there are people in Thailand that also do care as well - and care deeply enough to keep the pressure on the authorities to bring the perps to justice ! It would not be easy for them to keep up any momentum on their own and from the UK - and whilst the speculation is upsetting for them, I think it is the lesser of the 2 x evils in this particular scenario. No doubt some of the evidence has been deliberately with held and other evidence poorly conveyed / translated - and this has caused some confusion - maybe deliberately so ?

I heard in one of the earliest reports that the male victim ( David ) also seemed to have been raped - but now that line has also gone quiet. If he is Gay - maybe the DNA that was found on him was not from the actual crime scene and maybe that is why that particular line has seemingly been dropped.

My own observation is that this was much more of a hate crime that a rape crime. The Photo's would support that. Without being too explicit, I am not aware that the police have said whether they found fresh semen ( DNA ) inside the female victim ? They have repeated asked for people to come forward that might have had a previous sexual liaison with the girl ( meaning in the preceding days ).....not sure if this is because they have some doubt as to how old the DNA is ?

The DNA that was found was proved to be from " 2 x different Asian Men." The Police have said on various occasions that there wasn't any evidence of rape before she was murdered ( was this a poor translation or just incompetence )? They did not say that sex was consensual, nor did they say that rape did not take place after her death. There are many things that they haven't said that has caused so much speculation. One thing is for sure, the photo's depict a wild and gruesome crime scene that many would find very strange if the motive was only rape. Was the condom used on the handle of the Hoe to violate the girl - there is only DNA on the outside ? Someone was obviously very upset or completely out of their mind on drugs. I have heard that Thai Men can become very upset if anyone wiggles their little finger at them in a sort of " mocking manner " to suggest that they are not as big downstairs as they appear to be upstairs ? Was something said earlier in the night in the bar that could have triggered such a rage ?

The guy in the photos and CCTV IMO is the same guy - maybe the " Tattoo " was just an Henna Tattoo and he simply removed it once he knew he was in the frame ? Why cant this CCTV Video be sent for digital enhancement ? If he was caught on CCTV before 4am, why was the crime not reported until 06.30am ? What happened in between this time ?

If any of the Western guys were involved then they should be implicated by their DNA - but none found - so far.

On the other hand, whilst it does sound like a brutal / mafia style execution - why would the bodies be left on the beach ? They have enough contacts and power to seemingly arrange what ever they want on that Island. If it was the mafia, why did they not arrange a speed boat to collect the bodies and shift them to an area that they would never be found / likely ever be found ? Allowing someone to find these bodies on the beach would surely be the last thing a mafia gang would want, particularly so close to their own business interests.

There are many questions that so far remain unanswered. I hope the British Media demand the opportunity to ask all of these questions at some stage, rather than just reporting what they are told !

"The DNA that was found was proved to be from " 2 x different Asian Men." The Police have said on various occasions that there wasn't any evidence of rape before she was murdered ( was this a poor translation or just incompetence )? They did not say that sex was consensual, nor did they say that rape did not take place after her death"

I have said this in another thread, everyone is assuming that whoever had sex with the girl that night was also responsible for her murder.

Without meaning any disrespect to the girl, this is a very dangerous assumption for investigators to make.

How many people have been cleared of murder because their DNA didn't match that from samples from the semen?

And have the samples from the semen matched any other samples taken at the crime scene?

Well that would assume, she had sex with 2 Asian men, and was then killed by a single unrelated person?

Bizarre theory. Not impossible 100%, but bizarre.

[Arkady]

The 15% that is incomplete includes identifying the murderers.

Murders on Koh Tao will now only be scheduled in the low season.

All very reassuring.

[SteveFong]

It is time to take this directly to the CNN reporter and let he or she know the farce of investigation that has transpired, and then we have it in the right hands,

personally, all the thai visa commentaries are growing wearily on me

[Plutojames88]

Sean McAnna's Google Plus profie containing many, many photographs of his life in Koh Tao, and some intering ones at that.

https://plus.google.com/101768055405292405319/photos

These photo's show how close he is/was with local Thai friends. Lots of photos in particular of fellow bar workers... and 2 who look extremely like the man in the CCTV. Sean writes that he will kill us all 'one by one'. Thats a normal statement to make isnt it. Sean views himself as anti-authority, anti-power, anti-control, and posts a photo implying he tkes drugs and is 'hippy type'. He is convicted of possessing indecent images of children. Each time i have tried to write my thoughts here, i have ended up writing too much, so im trying to keep this brief. I have followed this case with a very heavy heart from day 1. Like many of you, I just cannot switch off in the hope justice comes for David and Hannah.

One of the first posts on David Millers Facebook, after his murder was reported, was from Sean McAnna. He said something along the lines of 'F*** no brother, tell me it isnt you.' I find that odd. The second post from Sean, to Davids Facebook, was a long post explaining how he wished he was there and had gone out with him that night, as they had arranged to meet, but he had fallen asleep and didnt make it. Why would you say that. Yes some would say he was getting guilt off his chest. I however would say he was talking to the public. Telling everyone that he was not there. Why did Sean say 'I know you tried to save her' and then later write a post, again addressing the public on Davids Facebook profile, that 'it was just a guess'. Has Sean's phone been taken and annalysed? Have they retrievedall his data, present and deleted, from this month? Have they found the texts or phone calls leading up to and after the murders? Has proof been found about this arranged meet up between himself and David? Missed calls or a Text from David on the night, asking Sean why he hadnt arrived, and if he was coming? Has Davids phone been annalysed? It has been reported that Hannah's phone is missing, but what about Davids? MAybe that was left at the hotel, when he went back at 1am. Chris Ware said he then went back out, to get cigarettes, but we know David ended up back in the club. Sean posted more lengthy posts to Davids profile. Again addressing the public. Telling people to do something that David would do. Buy 2 breakfasts and share with a homeless person etc. Why was he addressing the public. Attention seeking at its worst, or an oscar winning performance of a guilty man fronting innocence and confidence. Sean and David met just last year, and yet Sean was displaying more misplaced heartache than any other person on Facebook. As we know, Sean used his Facebook a lot after this. He very quickly however, went on to post nothing but Scotland independance posts and photos. Until the whole Thai Mafia saga. Unfortunately, Sean deleted his account, and so i have not hd the chance to search his friends list to see what company he keeps. It has been reported that a spa worker, Jok, helped clean blood from Seans face and body. We know from Andy Lines reporting, that Seans guitar was covered in blood. Why? Has this been tested? In photos of Sean having an interview as he left the island, you can see a deep injury to his right forearm, light scratches to his left wrist, and what appears to be another injury concealed under his many bracelets. What are these and what caused them? On the koh Tao Community Board, a woman posted an image of a motor bike found 'deep in the thick north Sairee jungle'. She said is was clean, and looked very odd, just abandoned in the thick. She asked members IF she should report it to Police, and later announced she did, and that Police were kind and helpful. Who's bike was this? Why was it hidden? They must get Sean McAnna and spend more time questioning him.

I postulate that perhaps he was the one having a friendly cigarette with the two on the beach. The beach is just over the road from the ac bar and their accomodation if I am not mistaken

David probably wanted to try one more time to see his friend before leaving the island so messages would be very helpful but should be able to be fully checked through FBI or the yards tracking and hacking mechanisms.

I would then postulate that some Thai men came down possible started shoving David and things got out of hand. Sean tried to act as the peacemaker and perhaps because of his relationship with the locals was advised to leg it out of there before he was hurt. They have him a chance.

Alternatively Sean did make it to the beach to play the guitar heard what was going on left the group and saw what was happening and again was advised to leg it if he knew what was good for him or he d cop the same. Scrambling up the rocks would cause cuts and abrasions no doubt. He likely witnessed David's body bloodied and being dragged into the ocean. With that vision and a warning he fled rather than man up.

You can't blame him but he didn't get help and thats where his conscience is maybe coming into play.

All pure speculation and to be honest I am not willing to accept this guy as the scapegoat. If there was any way on gods green earth that this could have been pinned to Sean it would have happened.

Could be that Sean liked photos ?

Maybe his child porn conviction was not of a young child but a girl in her teens eg 15-17 years old.

Maybe Sean has a history of capturing images on the island ?

The hypotheticals could be along the lines of a suitable Model was on the island .

And him and his sick Thai mates had plotted it all.

The fake leads away from the real killers .

The DNA .

The story and social media wild goose chase.?

And we may never know his involvement or the killers.

And hopefully no footage will ever emerge .

But it's possible Hannah was groomed by one or more males .

David objected to some approaches but didn't know the extent of the prior grooming.

She was isolated .

And something went wrong , very wrong.

And the blood stains said to have been washed of Sean ?

Missing crucial mobile evidence?

There are indeed signs a westerner is involved as the clues were removed and the fake leads installed.

Sean appeared on the day the murders were to take place.

He had worked previously there for 18 months without a work permit ( illegally)

This isn't uncommon with many DJs or bar staff .

However, he knew many many locals .

His personal photos reveal a hedonist lifestyle full of what appears to be carnival style personal choices.

Did his fetishes manifest here?

Was Sean troubled and living a darker existence then the world knew?

Who and why were the players on this beach there the day he arrived?

Was he indeed on that beach that night?

Had this murder left us clues that we simply missed and need to dig deeper?

Shouldn't it start with ""persons of interest "" their histories and phones ?

The victims themselves ?

Any relationships or motives .

Phone texts .

Call times.

Piece things together.

It seems Sean does indeed know something.

But what?

Could the whole social media stunt simply be a decoy ?

Allowing him to exit quietly ( the country after due exhausted leads?) the accused provide excuses and the killers left to lay low?

This is a mystery Island murder story that shouldn't be left to the historical past.

But kept alive even with speculation ....if it keeps the tourist public aware it went unsolved.

Edited September 27, 2014 by Plutojames88

[SteveFong]

Clearly, after being there 18 months, there is no way Sean McAnna is going to be posting pictures of a Thai bar owner/manager, and a Thai police man stating they were going to kill him,

if he wasnt scared for his life,

Sean McAnna, I know you are reading this,

start communicating with the CNN reporter from wherever you have run too now that you are safe,

you apparently hold the key here

[Fred Flinstone]

I think sexual conduct is key-

Something along that nature may hold a key.

Agree phone records texts and interviewing Bar woman might turn up some traces of evidence.

In a western Country , trivial conversations often provide leads.

Some woman might come forward and say she was raped by so and so.?

A porn ring uncovered.?

A conversation overheard?

Give protection etc.

Sadly, i think too little questions were asked.

And the silence deafening.

Edited September 28, 2014 by Fred Flinstone

[Lozza]

One thing concerns me about this case.

How come the Scottish guy Sean and the other friends of the deceased, who have already left the island, either not come out and made public announcements about what happened with the alleged confrontations in the bar. Why have none of the investigative journalists who were originally involved on the island, not sought these people out to get their side of the story?

Its as though they have been warned off by the British Embassy not to stick the fly in the ointment11

Surely somebody who was with the deceased before their untimely deaths, would have valuable info?

Why no newspaper interviews? Why has it all gone quiet from these journalists who were there and for sure know what the majority of people on this board suspect to be true.

Yet day after day more ridiculous and sublime statements are coming from the Police which are completely unchallenged.

someone amongst them would know who had the one night stand according to the bib. What an awful statement to make. I see defamation all over this circus. I think the friends etc are waiting for the right time and it will be explosive.

[Lozza]

After reading various news articles and comments I have come to reconize that many of the foreigners here on TV that make comments are doing so without seeing another side of the news reports and comments that are written in Thai. I'm not really sure why that is but the Thai folks seem to know about things days before the foreigner. Example: I have read many times about the CCTV picture that captured the Thai running and only wearing shorts. One story I read said that this Thai man was wearing David's (the victim's) shorts. And that this Thai person must have mistakenly put on the victim's shorts and left his shorts there on the beach. Then written in Thai, the news said that this Thai guy's name in Mon, and the reason that he is running is because since the murders occurred around his area he was made aware of it by the police. He apparently quickly hurried to put only his shorts on and ran to the crime scene to see what happened.

Another example: Sean, the guy that quickly attempted to get off the island and fly back to his country because he felt threatened.

His story seemed very solid, even taking photos. Most foreigners that read about Sean believed him and then began focusing on the two Thai guys (Mon and the other guy which is a policeman).

Written and reported in Thai provided so much more and different information about Sean. The story about the two Thai men were much different than what Sean had portrayed. The Thai news suggests that they have witnesses that not only saw Sean with Blood all over him the night of the murder but they actually helps him clean-up himself. When questioned by locals that helped Sean, he said that he had been in a motorbike accident. Another story suggested that he told someone that he was in a fight with someone.

There has been a lot of focus on Sean. Based on what has been reported in Thai, there are many suggesting that Sean was involved in this gruesome murder.

There is much more that was written in Thai. My only point is that if many of the TV members were aware of many of the stories that have been written in Thai, I think that many of the comments, opinions and anger would be directly somewhat differently.

The only thing that I can suggest is that most should try to refrain from making comments where they are so sure of what took place. There has been so much about the headsman and these Thai guys. So many have gone way out there on a limb stating that they are so corrupt and that they are the guilty ones.

I think very soon within the next couple days or so, more information that was written in Thai will start to be filtered in a way that will be better written and understood by the TV community.

For those that believe that the two or three Thai guys working at AC's bar/club carried out the murder, and are totally guilty, and that it will all be covered up by the authorities, will have a hard pill to swallow when later they catch-up on the news that most all Thai's know about days in advance. Just understand that when you hear what evidence they have, know that it was already reported in Thai before you becomes aware of it.

Also don't be surprised if the focus of attention turns to Sean. There is still much to be said because many fingers point to him.

He passed the DNA tests and cleared to leave the island.

[Living in a cartoon]

"Challenges", this is not the Supreme Court or even a court of law, it's not even a medium which could possibly influence local legal opinion or policy one iota.

Challenges my rubber duck, it's a bunch of 21st century washer women equivalents with too much time on their hands and nothing constructive to do with their time!

Have to agree. These types of venues tend to devolve into the 21st century equivalent of a 19th century old crow gossip society.

I do love the guys (90% of TV are guys probably) who start out with "As I posted earlier...". Right, we're all hanging on your every word.

The internet had a lot of promise once upon a time. Fell victim to the theory of unintended consequences.

[Lozza]

After reading various news articles and comments I have come to reconize that many of the foreigners here on TV that make comments are doing so without seeing another side of the news reports and comments that are written in Thai. I'm not really sure why that is but the Thai folks seem to know about things days before the foreigner. Example: I have read many times about the CCTV picture that captured the Thai running and only wearing shorts. One story I read said that this Thai man was wearing David's (the victim's) shorts. And that this Thai person must have mistakenly put on the victim's shorts and left his shorts there on the beach. Then written in Thai, the news said that this Thai guy's name in Mon, and the reason that he is running is because since the murders occurred around his area he was made aware of it by the police. He apparently quickly hurried to put only his shorts on and ran to the crime scene to see what happened.

Another example: Sean, the guy that quickly attempted to get off the island and fly back to his country because he felt threatened.

His story seemed very solid, even taking photos. Most foreigners that read about Sean believed him and then began focusing on the two Thai guys (Mon and the other guy which is a policeman).

Written and reported in Thai provided so much more and different information about Sean. The story about the two Thai men were much different than what Sean had portrayed. The Thai news suggests that they have witnesses that not only saw Sean with Blood all over him the night of the murder but they actually helps him clean-up himself. When questioned by locals that helped Sean, he said that he had been in a motorbike accident. Another story suggested that he told someone that he was in a fight with someone.

There has been a lot of focus on Sean. Based on what has been reported in Thai, there are many suggesting that Sean was involved in this gruesome murder.

There is much more that was written in Thai. My only point is that if many of the TV members were aware of many of the stories that have been written in Thai, I think that many of the comments, opinions and anger would be directly somewhat differently.

The only thing that I can suggest is that most should try to refrain from making comments where they are so sure of what took place. There has been so much about the headsman and these Thai guys. So many have gone way out there on a limb stating that they are so corrupt and that they are the guilty ones.

I think very soon within the next couple days or so, more information that was written in Thai will start to be filtered in a way that will be better written and understood by the TV community.

For those that believe that the two or three Thai guys working at AC's bar/club carried out the murder, and are totally guilty, and that it will all be covered up by the authorities, will have a hard pill to swallow when later they catch-up on the news that most all Thai's know about days in advance. Just understand that when you hear what evidence they have, know that it was already reported in Thai before you becomes aware of it.

Also don't be surprised if the focus of attention turns to Sean. There is still much to be said because many fingers point to him.

Well we know Sean said he was supposed to meet up with David that night but fell asleep so if he had blood on him we need to know what time that was because if it was in the early hours then obviously that doesnt match up with him saying he was sleeping at the time.

I think you'll find that David and Sean were passing acquaintances, not buddies, he'd met him twice..David had been there for a week why didn't they catch up then, not like they were too busy. I hope the blood on him (supposedly) is not a frame up. Odd that he had a haircut the day he left.

[soalbundy]

I suggest people stay on the twitter feeds of the reporters following this case

I also posted on the Thailand Ex Pats page on Facebook with 24,000 members,

We need to stay on this, and I suggest everyone make themselves known to the Facebook group

Facebook is a dangerous lot of nonsense, in my house its forbidden.

[metisdead]

Some irrelevent posts and replies have been removed.

[gemguy]

What that means is they will spend another week working at gathering information and then let the case fade away because they have worked the case long enough and then, in their opinion, there is nothing more to be done.

Case completed.

No more questions .....enough already.......everyone go home.

[phuketandsee]

Everyone who is concerned about this fiasco should "Like" this page:

https://www.facebook.com/justiceforHannahandDavid

[paddyjenkins]

Today's COMPLETOMETER is 84%

[boomerangutang]

I think sexual conduct is key-

Something along that nature may hold a key.

Agree phone records texts and interviewing Bar woman might turn up some traces of evidence.

In a western Country , trivial conversations often provide leads.

Some woman might come forward and say she was raped by so and so.?

A porn ring uncovered.?

A conversation overheard?

Give protection etc.

Sadly, i think too little questions were asked.

And the silence deafening.

One thing concerns me about this case.

How come the Scottish guy Sean and the other friends of the deceased, who have already left the island, either not come out and made public announcements about what happened with the alleged confrontations in the bar. Why have none of the investigative journalists who were originally involved on the island, not sought these people out to get their side of the story?

Its as though they have been warned off by the British Embassy not to stick the fly in the ointment11

Surely somebody who was with the deceased before their untimely deaths, would have valuable info?

Why no newspaper interviews? Why has it all gone quiet from these journalists who were there and for sure know what the majority of people on this board suspect to be true.

Yet day after day more ridiculous and sublime statements are coming from the Police which are completely unchallenged.

someone amongst them would know who had the one night stand according to the bib. What an awful statement to make. I see defamation all over this circus. I think the friends etc are waiting for the right time and it will be explosive.

Take a step back and deep breath. We (myself included) on this forum skewer the cops, saying they release too much info, yet in the next breath, we're frustrated that we don't have enough info. The cops said, for the first few days, that they have a lot of pertinent info and they will make arrests accordingly. They didn't do that in the time frame they put forth, but maybe they will do so belatedly. Let's cut them a bit of slack. They probably do have pertinent clues, and it's understandable they don't release the details to us, the peanut gallery, at this time. My biggest hope is: they're not afraid to arrest VIPs or fellow cops, if that's where the evidence points.

[Living in a cartoon]

I suggest people stay on the twitter feeds of the reporters following this case

I also posted on the Thailand Ex Pats page on Facebook with 24,000 members,

We need to stay on this, and I suggest everyone make themselves known to the Facebook group

Facebook is a dangerous lot of nonsense, in my house its forbidden.

I have the same ban in mind for several nonsense venues. They have become a complete waste of time. Move on I guess.

[Number 3]

One thing concerns me about this case.

How come the Scottish guy Sean and the other friends of the deceased, who have already left the island, either not come out and made public announcements about what happened with the alleged confrontations in the bar. Why have none of the investigative journalists who were originally involved on the island, not sought these people out to get their side of the story?

Its as though they have been warned off by the British Embassy not to stick the fly in the ointment11

Surely somebody who was with the deceased before their untimely deaths, would have valuable info?

Why no newspaper interviews? Why has it all gone quiet from these journalists who were there and for sure know what the majority of people on this board suspect to be true.

Yet day after day more ridiculous and sublime statements are coming from the Police which are completely unchallenged.

someone amongst them would know who had the one night stand according to the bib. What an awful statement to make. I see defamation all over this circus. I think the friends etc are waiting for the right time and it will be explosive.

Whatever advice they are getting they need to start coming forward now. Otherwise this case will be over make no bones about it . Too little too late will not work in this Thai system. Once the last reporters leave that island as they have no new leads it will be endgame.

[ffaarraanngg]

Sean Mcanna was straight away giving interviews with the tabloid newspapers in the UK, he does seem to have been high profile from day 1 of the murders.

Or maybe just some idiot who went doolally staying in Thailand for too long.

[Number 3]

I think sexual conduct is key-

Something along that nature may hold a key.

Agree phone records texts and interviewing Bar woman might turn up some traces of evidence.

In a western Country , trivial conversations often provide leads.

Some woman might come forward and say she was raped by so and so.?

A porn ring uncovered.?

A conversation overheard?

Give protection etc.

Sadly, i think too little questions were asked.

And the silence deafening.

Guaranteed this is a racquet that's been going on for years

There are many stories about if women who say they were raped on that island. The police either help them make a report the victim leaves and never hears of it again or I have read of women who were told that they had to go to Bangkok to report it so they leave for Bangkok and of course no one can help her

There is one copper on duty at any time on that island. We can see by Sean's picture that they are in the islands pocket clearly.

[SteveFong]

I suggest people stay on the twitter feeds of the reporters following this case

I also posted on the Thailand Ex Pats page on Facebook with 24,000 members,

We need to stay on this, and I suggest everyone make themselves known to the Facebook group

Facebook is a dangerous lot of nonsense, in my house its forbidden.

really?

facebook has been a great way to communicate with friends while I traveled the world and while friends travel,

it is also the way I stay in touch will all my musician friends and we follow each others careers,

facebook was also also how Sean McAnna saved his own life

guns dont kill people, people kill people

[soalbundy]

I suggest people stay on the twitter feeds of the reporters following this case

I also posted on the Thailand Ex Pats page on Facebook with 24,000 members,

We need to stay on this, and I suggest everyone make themselves known to the Facebook group

Facebook is a dangerous lot of nonsense, in my house its forbidden.

really?

facebook has been a great way to communicate with friends while I traveled the world and while friends travel,

it is also the way I stay in touch will all my musician friends and we follow each others careers,

facebook was also also how Sean McAnna saved his own life

guns dont kill people, people kill people

what wrong with E-MAIL ? Why do you feel the need to 'stay in touch' 24 hours a day like some love lorn teenager,as for that muppet Sean i doubt he was ever in danger, sounds like a hysterical &lt;deleted&gt; to me. FB is Ok if you like being connected to the CIA 24/7 or opening yourself to scams

[khunjamesjohnson]

200 DNA tests results due tomorrow the police say.

[soalbundy]

200 DNA tests results due tomorrow the police say.

can hardly wait, the suspense is killing me, NOT.

[SteveFong]

I suggest people stay on the twitter feeds of the reporters following this case

I also posted on the Thailand Ex Pats page on Facebook with 24,000 members,

We need to stay on this, and I suggest everyone make themselves known to the Facebook group

Facebook is a dangerous lot of nonsense, in my house its forbidden.

really?

facebook has been a great way to communicate with friends while I traveled the world and while friends travel,

it is also the way I stay in touch will all my musician friends and we follow each others careers,

facebook was also also how Sean McAnna saved his own life

guns dont kill people, people kill people

what wrong with E-MAIL ? Why do you feel the need to 'stay in touch' 24 hours a day like some love lorn teenager,as for that muppet Sean i doubt he was ever in danger, sounds like a hysterical <deleted> to me. FB is Ok if you like being connected to the CIA 24/7 or opening yourself to scams

the CIA?

are you kidding?

they have my drivers license photo and my fingerprints from the various licenses I have held in the past,

and, now that I have gone through that machine at the airport a few times, they know which way my balls hang,

I am not concerned about any alphabet agency tracking me on facebook because, if I want to disappear,

I walk outside my home, or drive away on a motorbike, not registered to me, and without cell phone.

they aren't as smart as you think

[greenchair]

The funny/sad thing about Sean : after-only after his run and statement about the real murder etc. - only then they revealed the " blood on face story'...

Strange, isn't it???

Yep, and sean only come out with his story after his back was against the wall. Sounds like each side is trying to cover their own behind.

Sean is believed to be out of the country. He is not hiding from the thai. It seems like he is on the run.

[chrisinth]

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I think it goes without saying that all of this is very, very tough for the families to take. However, I also hope that they appreciate that there are people in Thailand that also do care as well - and care deeply enough to keep the pressure on the authorities to bring the perps to justice ! It would not be easy for them to keep up any momentum on their own and from the UK - and whilst the speculation is upsetting for them, I think it is the lesser of the 2 x evils in this particular scenario. No doubt some of the evidence has been deliberately with held and other evidence poorly conveyed / translated - and this has caused some confusion - maybe deliberately so ?

I heard in one of the earliest reports that the male victim ( David ) also seemed to have been raped - but now that line has also gone quiet. If he is Gay - maybe the DNA that was found on him was not from the actual crime scene and maybe that is why that particular line has seemingly been dropped.

My own observation is that this was much more of a hate crime that a rape crime. The Photo's would support that. Without being too explicit, I am not aware that the police have said whether they found fresh semen ( DNA ) inside the female victim ? They have repeated asked for people to come forward that might have had a previous sexual liaison with the girl ( meaning in the preceding days ).....not sure if this is because they have some doubt as to how old the DNA is ?

The DNA that was found was proved to be from " 2 x different Asian Men." The Police have said on various occasions that there wasn't any evidence of rape before she was murdered ( was this a poor translation or just incompetence )? They did not say that sex was consensual, nor did they say that rape did not take place after her death. There are many things that they haven't said that has caused so much speculation. One thing is for sure, the photo's depict a wild and gruesome crime scene that many would find very strange if the motive was only rape. Was the condom used on the handle of the Hoe to violate the girl - there is only DNA on the outside ? Someone was obviously very upset or completely out of their mind on drugs. I have heard that Thai Men can become very upset if anyone wiggles their little finger at them in a sort of " mocking manner " to suggest that they are not as big downstairs as they appear to be upstairs ? Was something said earlier in the night in the bar that could have triggered such a rage ?

The guy in the photos and CCTV IMO is the same guy - maybe the " Tattoo " was just an Henna Tattoo and he simply removed it once he knew he was in the frame ? Why cant this CCTV Video be sent for digital enhancement ? If he was caught on CCTV before 4am, why was the crime not reported until 06.30am ? What happened in between this time ?

If any of the Western guys were involved then they should be implicated by their DNA - but none found - so far.

On the other hand, whilst it does sound like a brutal / mafia style execution - why would the bodies be left on the beach ? They have enough contacts and power to seemingly arrange what ever they want on that Island. If it was the mafia, why did they not arrange a speed boat to collect the bodies and shift them to an area that they would never be found / likely ever be found ? Allowing someone to find these bodies on the beach would surely be the last thing a mafia gang would want, particularly so close to their own business interests.

There are many questions that so far remain unanswered. I hope the British Media demand the opportunity to ask all of these questions at some stage, rather than just reporting what they are told !

"The DNA that was found was proved to be from " 2 x different Asian Men." The Police have said on various occasions that there wasn't any evidence of rape before she was murdered ( was this a poor translation or just incompetence )? They did not say that sex was consensual, nor did they say that rape did not take place after her death"

I have said this in another thread, everyone is assuming that whoever had sex with the girl that night was also responsible for her murder.

Without meaning any disrespect to the girl, this is a very dangerous assumption for investigators to make.

How many people have been cleared of murder because their DNA didn't match that from samples from the semen?

And have the samples from the semen matched any other samples taken at the crime scene?

Because the way her body is positioned at the spot indicates she was dragged to that spot, raped and killed

Indications are not absolute proof. Indications lead to assumptions, hence we come full circle and leave questions unanswered.

[SteveFong]

The funny/sad thing about Sean : after-only after his run and statement about the real murder etc. - only then they revealed the " blood on face story'...

Strange, isn't it???

Yep, and sean only come out with his story after his back was against the wall. Sounds like each side is trying to cover their own behind.

Sean is believed to be out of the country. He is not hiding from the thai. It seems like he is on the run.

Sean probably thought he was ok, until they threatened to kill him and pin the murder on him,

He lived there for 18 months, so, he didnt just decide to uproot his life

[Oziex1]

To all travellers young and old, boycott Thailand for a while!

If this message is put on social media maybe they'l get the message.