Survivalists in Thailand

[Soutpeel]

Singapore is an island...drive ???

jeez you had better get out more...I had better tell those thousands of people who drive from JB in Malaysia every morning into Singapore that Singapore is an Island, you cant drive....one word "Causeway"....mate you need to get out your bubble, believe it or not you can get in a car and drive all the way Orchard road if you wish

[smileydude]

Contrary to the ridicule being poured onto the poster I find nothing wrong with being prepared and self-sufficient.

I recalled during the big floods around Bangkok, Pathum Thani, Ayuthaya etc that people were fighting over bottled water, instant noodles and toilet tissue. The shelves were picked dry. The water supply was contaminated and electricity was out in several areas. Just a simple flood and necessities like water and power were gone. I could imagine utter chaos if this lasted more then a few days.

Common knowledge to survivalists is that the best place is the most remote place.

In Thailand that would also mean higher places away from the most likely scenario to besiege Thailand --> Flooding.

I'd pick the more sparsely populated areas of Khao Yai. Not too far from civilization that makes building a refuge difficult or life too hard.

First: You'll need to have your own water supply. Drilling a decent well 60-90 meters deep costs anywhere from 60-100,000 baht (including pump).

If you can afford it buy a water filter and softener if you don't want to develop gallstone, kidney or bladder stones. A stored supply of liquid chlorine will also come in handy as a few drops can purify several gallons of water for safe consumption.

Second: For power to run the pumps I'd go for solar as its getting more affordable and unlimited life supply not counting the battery storage system.

Wind turbines are just too costly to maintain on an individual basis. I'd also include a diesel backup generator just in case somewhere between 6-10kw is probably more then enough as anymore and your sucking fuel at rates of over 8L/hr.

Third: for shelter building a basement would be good only if your on high ground because flooding is homeowner enemy no. 1, and the humidity alone will probably wreak havoc on your stashed supplies. Need to have a really decent ventilation system to counter that.

Fourth: Food. Locals raise fish in ponds. They position chicken hatches over the ponds so the waste feeds the fish. They grow grains and veggies in sloped land above the pond so the water used to irrigate trickles back to the pond. So you've got a complete food supply cycle. The grains and veggies feed the chicken. The chickens feed the fish. The nutrient rich water feeds the grains and veggies.

You get fish, eggs, meat, grains and vegetables.

Fifth: Perimeter security. Barbed wire is cheap and deep canals surrounding your land are possibilities. I personally prefer growing a kind of plant called "Fueng Fa" around the perimeter. Its extremely tolerant to drought and when fully grown is difficult to penetrate due to the thorns and bushiness. Even a guy with a machete would find it tiring to get through.

With this set up your pretty much self-sufficient if the SHTF.

Edited October 1, 2014 by smileydude

[Wat dee]

oh great exactly what Thailand needs another nut job the world is ending type...I can see the discovery series right now Preppers:Thailand

so what your vision of doom and gloom...Asteroid, EMP, banks collapsing, Ebola ?

He is my survival strategy in Thailand..if it goes to sh*t get on plane, if cant fly from BKK, drive to KL or Sing and get on plane, if the roads anit working steal a boat and sail to Sing and get on a plane...

Firstly, haven't you heard that Ebola has been cured by Thai researchers. Singapore is an island...drive ??? Steal a boat...create riots in the streets or on the seas. Otherwise your suggestions are brilliant! NOT.

Long time ago....Some Thai made this brilliant invention and Singaporeans stole it. It is called a bridge!

[srchino]

My survival plan in Thailand, whether there's an apocalypse or not, is being Asian.

[djhotsox]

How's it gonna end, almost certainly Zombie Apocalypse.

agreed Zombies...

Agreed.

[ClutchClark]

Contrary to the ridicule being poured onto the poster I find nothing wrong with being prepared and self-sufficient.

I recalled during the big floods around Bangkok, Pathum Thani, Ayuthaya etc that people were fighting over bottled water, instant noodles and toilet tissue. The shelves were picked dry. The water supply was contaminated and electricity was out in several areas. Just a simple flood and necessities like water and power were gone. I could imagine utter chaos if this lasted more then a few days.

Common knowledge to survivalists is that the best place is the most remote place.

In Thailand that would also mean higher places away from the most likely scenario to besiege Thailand --> Flooding.

I'd pick the more sparsely populated areas of Khao Yai. Not too far from civilization that makes building a refuge difficult or life too hard.

First: You'll need to have your own water supply. Drilling a decent well 60-90 meters deep costs anywhere from 60-100,000 baht (including pump).

If you can afford it buy a water filter and softener if you don't want to develop gallstone, kidney or bladder stones. A stored supply of liquid chlorine will also come in handy as a few drops can purify several gallons of water for safe consumption.

Second: For power to run the pumps I'd go for solar as its getting more affordable and unlimited life supply not counting the battery storage system.

Wind turbines are just too costly to maintain on an individual basis. I'd also include a diesel backup generator just in case somewhere between 6-10kw is probably more then enough as anymore and your sucking fuel at rates of over 8L/hr.

Third: for shelter building a basement would be good only if your on high ground because flooding is homeowner enemy no. 1, and the humidity alone will probably wreak havoc on your stashed supplies. Need to have a really decent ventilation system to counter that.

Fourth: Food. Locals raise fish in ponds. They position chicken hatches over the ponds so the waste feeds the fish. They grow grains and veggies in sloped land above the pond so the water used to irrigate trickles back to the pond. So you've got a complete food supply cycle. The grains and veggies feed the chicken. The chickens feed the fish. The nutrient rich water feeds the grains and veggies.

You get fish, eggs, meat, grains and vegetables.

Fifth: Perimeter security. Barbed wire is cheap and deep canals surrounding your land are possibilities. I personally prefer growing a kind of plant called "Fueng Fa" around the perimeter. Its extremely tolerant to drought and when fully grown is difficult to penetrate due to the thorns and bushiness. Even a guy with a machete would find it tiring to get through.

With this set up your pretty much self-sufficient if the SHTF.

All well thought out...until somebody shoots you through the wire.

[smileydude]

Contrary to the ridicule being poured onto the poster I find nothing wrong with being prepared and self-sufficient.

I recalled during the big floods around Bangkok, Pathum Thani, Ayuthaya etc that people were fighting over bottled water, instant noodles and toilet tissue. The shelves were picked dry. The water supply was contaminated and electricity was out in several areas. Just a simple flood and necessities like water and power were gone. I could imagine utter chaos if this lasted more then a few days.

Common knowledge to survivalists is that the best place is the most remote place.

In Thailand that would also mean higher places away from the most likely scenario to besiege Thailand --> Flooding.

I'd pick the more sparsely populated areas of Khao Yai. Not too far from civilization that makes building a refuge difficult or life too hard.

First: You'll need to have your own water supply. Drilling a decent well 60-90 meters deep costs anywhere from 60-100,000 baht (including pump).

If you can afford it buy a water filter and softener if you don't want to develop gallstone, kidney or bladder stones. A stored supply of liquid chlorine will also come in handy as a few drops can purify several gallons of water for safe consumption.

Second: For power to run the pumps I'd go for solar as its getting more affordable and unlimited life supply not counting the battery storage system.

Wind turbines are just too costly to maintain on an individual basis. I'd also include a diesel backup generator just in case somewhere between 6-10kw is probably more then enough as anymore and your sucking fuel at rates of over 8L/hr.

Third: for shelter building a basement would be good only if your on high ground because flooding is homeowner enemy no. 1, and the humidity alone will probably wreak havoc on your stashed supplies. Need to have a really decent ventilation system to counter that.

Fourth: Food. Locals raise fish in ponds. They position chicken hatches over the ponds so the waste feeds the fish. They grow grains and veggies in sloped land above the pond so the water used to irrigate trickles back to the pond. So you've got a complete food supply cycle. The grains and veggies feed the chicken. The chickens feed the fish. The nutrient rich water feeds the grains and veggies.

You get fish, eggs, meat, grains and vegetables.

Fifth: Perimeter security. Barbed wire is cheap and deep canals surrounding your land are possibilities. I personally prefer growing a kind of plant called "Fueng Fa" around the perimeter. Its extremely tolerant to drought and when fully grown is difficult to penetrate due to the thorns and bushiness. Even a guy with a machete would find it tiring to get through.

With this set up your pretty much self-sufficient if the SHTF.

All well thought out...until somebody shoots you through the wire.

Point taken. If your on higher ground I think I would have the advantage and also knowing the terrain better.

Of course having a vest, sniper rifle and thermal vision would be advantageous also.

At the end of day its better to try to remain unseen and alert.

[iamariva1957]

Please! Don't we have enough of you guys in the West? Do you really have to import your attitudes that 'all is evil and coming to an end' narcissistic fears here to Thailand? Aren't there enough difficulties that we all face as Farangs and in the World in general that you could focus upon and help to find solutions for rather than just building that bunker and being prepared for something you have absolutely no idea about?

You people bore the pants off me. Sorry but it is true. You propose no real or sustainable solutions, offer nothing more than the subversion of logical and realistic reasoning. For do you really think that you will last longer than anyone esle if the sky falls? Oh sure, maybe for a few extra days. But in the end you will simply have to join the rest of us in the clean up and rebuilding.

So go on your "hikes". Learn military tactics. Learn how to make drinkable water with a sock. Figure out if you will be able to kill in the name of self preservation (sounds easy, but if you were ever in the army you will know that it ain't that easy when panic sets in as there is a larger desire to run like hell). Go ahead and preach the End of the World to anyone that will listen beyond 3 minutes. Start your own Thai Prepper TV show for it will good for a real laugh! But remember that Thai culture will tell you that you are wrong and wasting your time on this planet. There will be no sympathy offered, but they will help... well... as long as you are paying... and there is the irony.

So just give it a rest. Thailand is difficult enough to live in as a Farang. For between those that 'Overstay', those working illegally, the scammers, the Burmese issues, and all the rest... we do not need you End of the World folks adding to the mayhem. Just try and enjoy your time on this Planet Earth and what Thailand does offer in bucket loads. Spend time on the beaches, walk through the national parks, wander the streets and the shops and (okay) even the bars, relish the fact that everything is cheaper here than at home, eat well, and ...well... simply live! Planning for the sh*t hitting the fan? If it happens then it be what it will be. None of us really know what it will be like. But to offer nothing more than a way to survive what you think is the inevitable without offering any positive solutions to stop it from happening is beyond stupid and more importantly.. myopic!

Survival training (something I did and taught countless times as part of my service in the US Army... E8) is all very well and good and I think that everyone should have a go at it... would come in handy if one's car breaks down in a snow storm or in the Australian Outback or some other place in the 'middle of nowhere'. But to make it a 'life style' and expect others to come on board under the guise of planet wide doom is a waste of time. For there is so much more that one can do to try and make things better than hiding in a hole in the ground hoping that no one finds you, steals your goodies, and that water filtration system that you built from a sock and charcoal will actually work long enough.

[Soutpeel]

Contrary to the ridicule being poured onto the poster I find nothing wrong with being prepared and self-sufficient.

I recalled during the big floods around Bangkok, Pathum Thani, Ayuthaya etc that people were fighting over bottled water, instant noodles and toilet tissue. The shelves were picked dry. The water supply was contaminated and electricity was out in several areas. Just a simple flood and necessities like water and power were gone. I could imagine utter chaos if this lasted more then a few days.

Common knowledge to survivalists is that the best place is the most remote place.

In Thailand that would also mean higher places away from the most likely scenario to besiege Thailand --> Flooding.

I'd pick the more sparsely populated areas of Khao Yai. Not too far from civilization that makes building a refuge difficult or life too hard.

First: You'll need to have your own water supply. Drilling a decent well 60-90 meters deep costs anywhere from 60-100,000 baht (including pump).

If you can afford it buy a water filter and softener if you don't want to develop gallstone, kidney or bladder stones. A stored supply of liquid chlorine will also come in handy as a few drops can purify several gallons of water for safe consumption.

Second: For power to run the pumps I'd go for solar as its getting more affordable and unlimited life supply not counting the battery storage system.

Wind turbines are just too costly to maintain on an individual basis. I'd also include a diesel backup generator just in case somewhere between 6-10kw is probably more then enough as anymore and your sucking fuel at rates of over 8L/hr.

Third: for shelter building a basement would be good only if your on high ground because flooding is homeowner enemy no. 1, and the humidity alone will probably wreak havoc on your stashed supplies. Need to have a really decent ventilation system to counter that.

Fourth: Food. Locals raise fish in ponds. They position chicken hatches over the ponds so the waste feeds the fish. They grow grains and veggies in sloped land above the pond so the water used to irrigate trickles back to the pond. So you've got a complete food supply cycle. The grains and veggies feed the chicken. The chickens feed the fish. The nutrient rich water feeds the grains and veggies.

You get fish, eggs, meat, grains and vegetables.

Fifth: Perimeter security. Barbed wire is cheap and deep canals surrounding your land are possibilities. I personally prefer growing a kind of plant called "Fueng Fa" around the perimeter. Its extremely tolerant to drought and when fully grown is difficult to penetrate due to the thorns and bushiness. Even a guy with a machete would find it tiring to get through.

With this set up your pretty much self-sufficient if the SHTF.

there is nothing wrong with being prepared for something, but when it starts becoming obsessive,and a "life style choice" that's when it crosses the line.

one only has to watch "Prepper's" on Discovery to realize these people are nutcases/tinfoil hatters.

must sad that that a person is living their every waking moment in a state of paranoia.

[smileydude]

Contrary to the ridicule being poured onto the poster I find nothing wrong with being prepared and self-sufficient.

I recalled during the big floods around Bangkok, Pathum Thani, Ayuthaya etc that people were fighting over bottled water, instant noodles and toilet tissue. The shelves were picked dry. The water supply was contaminated and electricity was out in several areas. Just a simple flood and necessities like water and power were gone. I could imagine utter chaos if this lasted more then a few days.

Common knowledge to survivalists is that the best place is the most remote place.

In Thailand that would also mean higher places away from the most likely scenario to besiege Thailand --> Flooding.

I'd pick the more sparsely populated areas of Khao Yai. Not too far from civilization that makes building a refuge difficult or life too hard.

First: You'll need to have your own water supply. Drilling a decent well 60-90 meters deep costs anywhere from 60-100,000 baht (including pump).

If you can afford it buy a water filter and softener if you don't want to develop gallstone, kidney or bladder stones. A stored supply of liquid chlorine will also come in handy as a few drops can purify several gallons of water for safe consumption.

Second: For power to run the pumps I'd go for solar as its getting more affordable and unlimited life supply not counting the battery storage system.

Wind turbines are just too costly to maintain on an individual basis. I'd also include a diesel backup generator just in case somewhere between 6-10kw is probably more then enough as anymore and your sucking fuel at rates of over 8L/hr.

Third: for shelter building a basement would be good only if your on high ground because flooding is homeowner enemy no. 1, and the humidity alone will probably wreak havoc on your stashed supplies. Need to have a really decent ventilation system to counter that.

Fourth: Food. Locals raise fish in ponds. They position chicken hatches over the ponds so the waste feeds the fish. They grow grains and veggies in sloped land above the pond so the water used to irrigate trickles back to the pond. So you've got a complete food supply cycle. The grains and veggies feed the chicken. The chickens feed the fish. The nutrient rich water feeds the grains and veggies.

You get fish, eggs, meat, grains and vegetables.

Fifth: Perimeter security. Barbed wire is cheap and deep canals surrounding your land are possibilities. I personally prefer growing a kind of plant called "Fueng Fa" around the perimeter. Its extremely tolerant to drought and when fully grown is difficult to penetrate due to the thorns and bushiness. Even a guy with a machete would find it tiring to get through.

With this set up your pretty much self-sufficient if the SHTF.

there is nothing wrong with being prepared for something, but when it starts becoming obsessive,and a "life style choice" that's when it crosses the line.

one only has to watch "Prepper's" on Discovery to realize these people are nutcases/tinfoil hatters.

must sad that that a person is living their every waking moment in a state of paranoia.

Agree. I don't think any kind of knowledge or plan could guarantee survival in an end-of-the-world scenario and I'm not condoning a lifestyle of paranoia.

My point is I prefer to have some kind of back up plan to take care of my family when certain milder scenarios such as flooding occur and from personal experience just the interruption of power/water due to various problems has made me prefer to have a certain degree of self-sufficiency that of course doesn't put a strain on my pocket.

[AnotherOneAmerican]

Agree. I don't think any kind of knowledge or plan could guarantee survival in an end-of-the-world scenario and I'm not condoning a lifestyle of paranoia.

My point is I prefer to have some kind of back up plan to take care of my family when certain milder scenarios such as flooding occur and from personal experience just the interruption of power/water due to various problems has made me prefer to have a certain degree of self-sufficiency that of course doesn't put a strain on my pocket.

It's a harmless hobby, and if you change hobbies, at least you can eat the supplies you purchased.

[Ulysses G.]

My survival plan in Thailand, whether there's an apocalypse or not, is being Asian.

You probably have the most realistic survival plan on the thread.

[BadBouy]

Contrary to the ridicule being poured onto the poster I find nothing wrong with being prepared and self-sufficient.

I recalled during the big floods around Bangkok, Pathum Thani, Ayuthaya etc that people were fighting over bottled water, instant noodles and toilet tissue. The shelves were picked dry. The water supply was contaminated and electricity was out in several areas. Just a simple flood and necessities like water and power were gone. I could imagine utter chaos if this lasted more then a few days.

Common knowledge to survivalists is that the best place is the most remote place.

In Thailand that would also mean higher places away from the most likely scenario to besiege Thailand --> Flooding.

I'd pick the more sparsely populated areas of Khao Yai. Not too far from civilization that makes building a refuge difficult or life too hard.

First: You'll need to have your own water supply. Drilling a decent well 60-90 meters deep costs anywhere from 60-100,000 baht (including pump).

If you can afford it buy a water filter and softener if you don't want to develop gallstone, kidney or bladder stones. A stored supply of liquid chlorine will also come in handy as a few drops can purify several gallons of water for safe consumption.

Second: For power to run the pumps I'd go for solar as its getting more affordable and unlimited life supply not counting the battery storage system.

Wind turbines are just too costly to maintain on an individual basis. I'd also include a diesel backup generator just in case somewhere between 6-10kw is probably more then enough as anymore and your sucking fuel at rates of over 8L/hr.

Third: for shelter building a basement would be good only if your on high ground because flooding is homeowner enemy no. 1, and the humidity alone will probably wreak havoc on your stashed supplies. Need to have a really decent ventilation system to counter that.

Fourth: Food. Locals raise fish in ponds. They position chicken hatches over the ponds so the waste feeds the fish. They grow grains and veggies in sloped land above the pond so the water used to irrigate trickles back to the pond. So you've got a complete food supply cycle. The grains and veggies feed the chicken. The chickens feed the fish. The nutrient rich water feeds the grains and veggies.

You get fish, eggs, meat, grains and vegetables.

Fifth: Perimeter security. Barbed wire is cheap and deep canals surrounding your land are possibilities. I personally prefer growing a kind of plant called "Fueng Fa" around the perimeter. Its extremely tolerant to drought and when fully grown is difficult to penetrate due to the thorns and bushiness. Even a guy with a machete would find it tiring to get through.

With this set up your pretty much self-sufficient if the SHTF.

Sixth: Land mines, strategically placed clay mores, and a moat with crocs (can be eaten in a pinch)

Seventh: Several anti aircraft emplacements a few can be dummy's. for the well to do vulcan or a patriot battery or iron dome would be a nice touch.

Eighth: a bunker 40 ft deep should be enough keep you safe from the blast and those times when things get a little out of hand.

Ninth: Escape pod

Tenth: cyanide capsules for the easy out

Poor mans kit: a hammock slung by a stream next to a bug farm, knife and cup small pack for extra undies and your kit when you want to move.

[SilverBeast]

Nothing wrong with Survivalists. There is something wrong with being crazy.

There are very legitimate possibilities of things that can go wrong. Thailand isn't very politically stable and is only a couple good riots from a breakdown of order. Flooding is common, power could be easily knocked out in short order. Take a look at places like New Orleans after Katrina in the USA. Read some books about people surviving in Bosnia or after the fall of the USSR in 1991. Hell, even around here in 1st world Canada a town had to go 56 hours in -30*C weather without power.

Things can happen and its prudent to be prepared. Its wise to be prepared to last 7 days in your own home or Condo in your current location and then be able to either survive longer yet or be prepared to move and travel somewhere.

Thailand should be a good place to be though. Food is plentiful and reliance on advance systems isn't all that critical. Social order could be challenging if things broke down though.

I'd recommend being setup with Solar so that if things do go bad in the electrical system you are already just living like normal and having a plan for water and food is also key.

One thing I've hear about is people surviving in Bosnia for example during its crisis really depended on how well they arranged to survive with other people helping. People trying to survive by themselves didn't survive because eventually you have to sleep. Surviving as a group had a much better success rate.

[AnotherOneAmerican]

Just to point out most western food shops now have central distribution, they only keep 3 days on premises.

Anything goes wrong, and you are quickly out of food.

10KG each of flour, rice, dried eggs, dried milk and a 15Kg propane burner is minimal cost and is not a silly precaution.

[KhnomKhnom]

The remotely located Burma rice farmer is your model to copy. He will never know the rest of the world has fallen apart unless a nuke cloud drifts over and then he will never know the world has fallen apart due to his death.

Prepping is simple in SEA, just go live in remote farming places and kick back and relax. Think of all the world disasters these people have already missed. Even the Mongols did not get to them.

Learn to LOVE rice.

[smileydude]

Contrary to the ridicule being poured onto the poster I find nothing wrong with being prepared and self-sufficient.

I recalled during the big floods around Bangkok, Pathum Thani, Ayuthaya etc that people were fighting over bottled water, instant noodles and toilet tissue. The shelves were picked dry. The water supply was contaminated and electricity was out in several areas. Just a simple flood and necessities like water and power were gone. I could imagine utter chaos if this lasted more then a few days.

Common knowledge to survivalists is that the best place is the most remote place.

In Thailand that would also mean higher places away from the most likely scenario to besiege Thailand --> Flooding.

I'd pick the more sparsely populated areas of Khao Yai. Not too far from civilization that makes building a refuge difficult or life too hard.

First: You'll need to have your own water supply. Drilling a decent well 60-90 meters deep costs anywhere from 60-100,000 baht (including pump).

If you can afford it buy a water filter and softener if you don't want to develop gallstone, kidney or bladder stones. A stored supply of liquid chlorine will also come in handy as a few drops can purify several gallons of water for safe consumption.

Second: For power to run the pumps I'd go for solar as its getting more affordable and unlimited life supply not counting the battery storage system.

Wind turbines are just too costly to maintain on an individual basis. I'd also include a diesel backup generator just in case somewhere between 6-10kw is probably more then enough as anymore and your sucking fuel at rates of over 8L/hr.

Third: for shelter building a basement would be good only if your on high ground because flooding is homeowner enemy no. 1, and the humidity alone will probably wreak havoc on your stashed supplies. Need to have a really decent ventilation system to counter that.

Fourth: Food. Locals raise fish in ponds. They position chicken hatches over the ponds so the waste feeds the fish. They grow grains and veggies in sloped land above the pond so the water used to irrigate trickles back to the pond. So you've got a complete food supply cycle. The grains and veggies feed the chicken. The chickens feed the fish. The nutrient rich water feeds the grains and veggies.

You get fish, eggs, meat, grains and vegetables.

Fifth: Perimeter security. Barbed wire is cheap and deep canals surrounding your land are possibilities. I personally prefer growing a kind of plant called "Fueng Fa" around the perimeter. Its extremely tolerant to drought and when fully grown is difficult to penetrate due to the thorns and bushiness. Even a guy with a machete would find it tiring to get through.

With this set up your pretty much self-sufficient if the SHTF.

Sixth: Land mines, strategically placed clay mores, and a moat with crocs (can be eaten in a pinch)

Seventh: Several anti aircraft emplacements a few can be dummy's. for the well to do vulcan or a patriot battery or iron dome would be a nice touch.

Eighth: a bunker 40 ft deep should be enough keep you safe from the blast and those times when things get a little out of hand.

Ninth: Escape pod

Tenth: cyanide capsules for the easy out

Poor mans kit: a hammock slung by a stream next to a bug farm, knife and cup small pack for extra undies and your kit when you want to move.

Really not at liberty to spell out my armament.

I've been using a very simple perimeter alarm for years when I go camping in case 4-legged things try to eat me or 2-legged intruders try to jump me. Its composed of a 200 meter long fishing string attached to a modified siren that will sound when tripped. I just string it around my camp site at about knee high using trees and branches. Wind and touching won't trigger it so never had a false alarm. You need to go through it and pull the string by about 4-7 inches depending upon how tense you strung it. If it sounds it gives you enough time to either run in case its an elephant or grab your personal defense weapon if its 2-legged.

Edited October 2, 2014 by smileydude

[Soutpeel]

Contrary to the ridicule being poured onto the poster I find nothing wrong with being prepared and self-sufficient.

I recalled during the big floods around Bangkok, Pathum Thani, Ayuthaya etc that people were fighting over bottled water, instant noodles and toilet tissue. The shelves were picked dry. The water supply was contaminated and electricity was out in several areas. Just a simple flood and necessities like water and power were gone. I could imagine utter chaos if this lasted more then a few days.

Common knowledge to survivalists is that the best place is the most remote place.

In Thailand that would also mean higher places away from the most likely scenario to besiege Thailand --> Flooding.

I'd pick the more sparsely populated areas of Khao Yai. Not too far from civilization that makes building a refuge difficult or life too hard.

First: You'll need to have your own water supply. Drilling a decent well 60-90 meters deep costs anywhere from 60-100,000 baht (including pump).

If you can afford it buy a water filter and softener if you don't want to develop gallstone, kidney or bladder stones. A stored supply of liquid chlorine will also come in handy as a few drops can purify several gallons of water for safe consumption.

Second: For power to run the pumps I'd go for solar as its getting more affordable and unlimited life supply not counting the battery storage system.

Wind turbines are just too costly to maintain on an individual basis. I'd also include a diesel backup generator just in case somewhere between 6-10kw is probably more then enough as anymore and your sucking fuel at rates of over 8L/hr.

Third: for shelter building a basement would be good only if your on high ground because flooding is homeowner enemy no. 1, and the humidity alone will probably wreak havoc on your stashed supplies. Need to have a really decent ventilation system to counter that.

Fourth: Food. Locals raise fish in ponds. They position chicken hatches over the ponds so the waste feeds the fish. They grow grains and veggies in sloped land above the pond so the water used to irrigate trickles back to the pond. So you've got a complete food supply cycle. The grains and veggies feed the chicken. The chickens feed the fish. The nutrient rich water feeds the grains and veggies.

You get fish, eggs, meat, grains and vegetables.

Fifth: Perimeter security. Barbed wire is cheap and deep canals surrounding your land are possibilities. I personally prefer growing a kind of plant called "Fueng Fa" around the perimeter. Its extremely tolerant to drought and when fully grown is difficult to penetrate due to the thorns and bushiness. Even a guy with a machete would find it tiring to get through.

With this set up your pretty much self-sufficient if the SHTF.

Sixth: Land mines, strategically placed clay mores, and a moat with crocs (can be eaten in a pinch)

Seventh: Several anti aircraft emplacements a few can be dummy's. for the well to do vulcan or a patriot battery or iron dome would be a nice touch.

Eighth: a bunker 40 ft deep should be enough keep you safe from the blast and those times when things get a little out of hand.

Ninth: Escape pod

Tenth: cyanide capsules for the easy out

Poor mans kit: a hammock slung by a stream next to a bug farm, knife and cup small pack for extra undies and your kit when you want to move.

Really not at liberty to spell out my armament.

I've been using a very simple perimeter alarm for years when I go camping in case 4-legged things try to eat me or 2-legged intruders try to jump me. Its composed of a 200 meter long fishing string attached to a modified siren that will sound when tripped. I just string it around my camp site at about knee high using trees and branches. Wind and touching won't trigger it so never had a false alarm. You need to go through it and pull the string by about 4-7 inches depending upon how tense you strung it. If it sounds it gives you enough time to either run in case its an elephant or grab your personal defense weapon if its 2-legged.

I use thermonuclear claymores attached to a trip wire myself.

[Guest]

Crazy Russian Hacker's tips for zombie apocalypse.

[iamariva1957]

Contrary to the ridicule being poured onto the poster I find nothing wrong with being prepared and self-sufficient.

I recalled during the big floods around Bangkok, Pathum Thani, Ayuthaya etc that people were fighting over bottled water, instant noodles and toilet tissue. The shelves were picked dry. The water supply was contaminated and electricity was out in several areas. Just a simple flood and necessities like water and power were gone. I could imagine utter chaos if this lasted more then a few days.

Common knowledge to survivalists is that the best place is the most remote place.

In Thailand that would also mean higher places away from the most likely scenario to besiege Thailand --> Flooding.

I'd pick the more sparsely populated areas of Khao Yai. Not too far from civilization that makes building a refuge difficult or life too hard.

First: You'll need to have your own water supply. Drilling a decent well 60-90 meters deep costs anywhere from 60-100,000 baht (including pump).

If you can afford it buy a water filter and softener if you don't want to develop gallstone, kidney or bladder stones. A stored supply of liquid chlorine will also come in handy as a few drops can purify several gallons of water for safe consumption.

Second: For power to run the pumps I'd go for solar as its getting more affordable and unlimited life supply not counting the battery storage system.

Wind turbines are just too costly to maintain on an individual basis. I'd also include a diesel backup generator just in case somewhere between 6-10kw is probably more then enough as anymore and your sucking fuel at rates of over 8L/hr.

Third: for shelter building a basement would be good only if your on high ground because flooding is homeowner enemy no. 1, and the humidity alone will probably wreak havoc on your stashed supplies. Need to have a really decent ventilation system to counter that.

Fourth: Food. Locals raise fish in ponds. They position chicken hatches over the ponds so the waste feeds the fish. They grow grains and veggies in sloped land above the pond so the water used to irrigate trickles back to the pond. So you've got a complete food supply cycle. The grains and veggies feed the chicken. The chickens feed the fish. The nutrient rich water feeds the grains and veggies.

You get fish, eggs, meat, grains and vegetables.

Fifth: Perimeter security. Barbed wire is cheap and deep canals surrounding your land are possibilities. I personally prefer growing a kind of plant called "Fueng Fa" around the perimeter. Its extremely tolerant to drought and when fully grown is difficult to penetrate due to the thorns and bushiness. Even a guy with a machete would find it tiring to get through.

With this set up your pretty much self-sufficient if the SHTF.

All well thought out...until somebody shoots you through the wire.

Point taken. If your on higher ground I think I would have the advantage and also knowing the terrain better.

Of course having a vest, sniper rifle and thermal vision would be advantageous also.

At the end of day its better to try to remain unseen and alert.

Though your focus is more on flooding issues, which you do supply a number of very good ideas and points to address, the idea that growing a certain type of Fauna around the perimeter and the erecting of barbed wire though interesting, would not stop someone who really wants in. The fact that you do not address is the need one will have for some firepower on hand. A shot gun is useless for anything else other than for close-quarters confrontations (pump-action is best) . At ranges beyond those you will need something better (M16, AR15, or AK). Also you would be far better off with an early warning system that would give you a heads-up. Also as for accommodation you would really need to fortify your house that would need the ability to provide sanctuary as well as protection (kinetic energy weapons, NBC as we are talking about the End of the World in the original post, as well as fire, to name but 3).

Switzerland has bunkers built into every home, office, and building. used to be the law there that each had to have one that could cover all possibilities (not sure if it is still the regulation these days). Montana is full of these private bunkers. There are even companies in the US that for a fee can supply you and your family living accommodations in a huge bunker complex and some even will have you bring your own camper trailer into the fortification to act as your living space.

But do you really want to live in a world where it is all doom and gloom? Is there nothing you could offer that would be of help, other than to just yourself but also to all of us... like help in the solution rather than simply hide in the ground and defend whatever it is that you have managed to put together in the name of self-preservation? We as Humans have created this world and so we have a responsibility to make it better, and not just hide our collective heads in a bunker! So, remember that "Whatever is made by Man can be overcome by Man" can be applied to both your survivalist ideas and the collective crap that the World is faced with these days.

Edited October 2, 2014 by iamariva1957

[PhuketAmerican]

Lots of replies from all over the spectrum. I have my own plan for surviving here, but some good points have been made about being prepared for everyday disasters like floods, tsunamis, and earthquakes. If I wasn't well prepared and this went down, I'd feel pretty bad if unable to take care of my family. Good to have a few days food, a few weeks water, and some basic medical supplies. To each their own if they want to store gas, build water towers (like my Thai neighbor) and have home electric generation.

When the southern power outage hit for 9+ hours last year I was pretty popular in my soi for being able to pass out cheap candles to everyone eating dinner outside in the dark. Nothing wrong with being prepared.

[smileydude]

Contrary to the ridicule being poured onto the poster I find nothing wrong with being prepared and self-sufficient.

I recalled during the big floods around Bangkok, Pathum Thani, Ayuthaya etc that people were fighting over bottled water, instant noodles and toilet tissue. The shelves were picked dry. The water supply was contaminated and electricity was out in several areas. Just a simple flood and necessities like water and power were gone. I could imagine utter chaos if this lasted more then a few days.

Common knowledge to survivalists is that the best place is the most remote place.

In Thailand that would also mean higher places away from the most likely scenario to besiege Thailand --> Flooding.

I'd pick the more sparsely populated areas of Khao Yai. Not too far from civilization that makes building a refuge difficult or life too hard.

First: You'll need to have your own water supply. Drilling a decent well 60-90 meters deep costs anywhere from 60-100,000 baht (including pump).

If you can afford it buy a water filter and softener if you don't want to develop gallstone, kidney or bladder stones. A stored supply of liquid chlorine will also come in handy as a few drops can purify several gallons of water for safe consumption.

Second: For power to run the pumps I'd go for solar as its getting more affordable and unlimited life supply not counting the battery storage system.

Wind turbines are just too costly to maintain on an individual basis. I'd also include a diesel backup generator just in case somewhere between 6-10kw is probably more then enough as anymore and your sucking fuel at rates of over 8L/hr.

Third: for shelter building a basement would be good only if your on high ground because flooding is homeowner enemy no. 1, and the humidity alone will probably wreak havoc on your stashed supplies. Need to have a really decent ventilation system to counter that.

Fourth: Food. Locals raise fish in ponds. They position chicken hatches over the ponds so the waste feeds the fish. They grow grains and veggies in sloped land above the pond so the water used to irrigate trickles back to the pond. So you've got a complete food supply cycle. The grains and veggies feed the chicken. The chickens feed the fish. The nutrient rich water feeds the grains and veggies.

You get fish, eggs, meat, grains and vegetables.

Fifth: Perimeter security. Barbed wire is cheap and deep canals surrounding your land are possibilities. I personally prefer growing a kind of plant called "Fueng Fa" around the perimeter. Its extremely tolerant to drought and when fully grown is difficult to penetrate due to the thorns and bushiness. Even a guy with a machete would find it tiring to get through.

With this set up your pretty much self-sufficient if the SHTF.

All well thought out...until somebody shoots you through the wire.

Point taken. If your on higher ground I think I would have the advantage and also knowing the terrain better.

Of course having a vest, sniper rifle and thermal vision would be advantageous also.

At the end of day its better to try to remain unseen and alert.

Though your focus is more on flooding issues, which you do supply a number of very good ideas and points to address, the idea that growing a certain type of Fauna around the perimeter and the erecting of barbed wire though interesting, would not stop someone who really wants in. The fact that you do not address is the need one will have for some firepower on hand. A shot gun is useless for anything else other than for close-quarters confrontations (pump-action is best) . At ranges beyond those you will need something better (M16, AR15, or AK). Also you would be far better off with an early warning system that would give you a heads-up. Also as for accommodation you would really need to fortify your house that would need the ability to provide sanctuary as well as protection (kinetic energy weapons, NBC as we are talking about the End of the World in the original post, as well as fire, to name but 3).

Switzerland has bunkers built into every home, office, and building. used to be the law there that each had to have one that could cover all possibilities (not sure if it is still the regulation these days). Montana is full of these private bunkers. There are even companies in the US that for a fee can supply you and your family living accommodations in a huge bunker complex and some even will have you bring your own camper trailer into the fortification to act as your living space.

But do you really want to live in a world where it is all doom and gloom? Is there nothing you could offer that would be of help, other than to just yourself but also to all of us... like help in the solution rather than simply hide in the ground and defend whatever it is that you have managed to put together in the name of self-preservation? We as Humans have created this world and so we have a responsibility to make it better, and not just hide our collective heads in a bunker! So, remember that "Whatever is made by Man can be overcome by Man" can be applied to both your survivalist ideas and the collective crap that the World is faced with these days.

I don't think anyone wants to live in a world of doom and gloom. There are two kinds of doom and gloom, natural and man-made catastrophes.

Most think we can't do much about the natural catastrophes such as earthquakes, hurricanes, tornadoes, flooding, and Tsunami's.

I think we can if these phenomenon are exacerbated by human behavior such as global warming and over exploitation of our natural surroundings such as occupying swamp land that was meant for water storage and blocking natural waterways as in the case of Suvarnabhumi airport that resulted in massive flooding.

We can make the world a better place if we use no more then what we actually need to sustain our lives but as collective humans its easier said then done. The advancement of technology has only made us lazier, highly dependent on power sources (fossil fuels) and taking nature for granted that if we deplete her we can find other forms to exploit because we believe we can develop the technology.

I think I'm doing my part by generating power from natural resources that result in low CO2 emission, planting my own veggies insecticide-free and building an efficient home water system (sink and shower water recycled to irrigation system). I also use LED lighting throughout.

It all costs money but I get it back in power/water bill savings.

My survivalist ideas are meant as my responsibility towards my family and not being over-dependent on the state in the event of a catastrophe.

If I can help others then its a bonus but that help would have to be controlled otherwise I would only be over run by looters and opportunists.

I think many of us here are ex-military but I don't really want to get into that sensitive area. Your points on the weakness of my perimeter defense is valid for highly determined or trained individuals. Though I have an alarm system, CCTV and shatter proof film installed on all my windows, it cannot stop bullets, explosives or a full-blown invasion of opportunists.

I'm not going to build a bunker because I don't see how anyone could survive a nuclear fall out on an individual level.

As with PDW's even the most highly trained well-equipped homeowner, and I mean one man, cannot stop a large group of armed looters but I can stop a group of amateurs. Every preparation is relative to the scenario and has its limitations.

Edited October 3, 2014 by smileydude

[chrisinth]

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I'm afraid that farangs in Thailand would be top targets if the civilized world started falling apart. I love the place, but rather be in a Western country with a good assault rifle and lots of dried rations and canned foods in such an event.

If it was a global fubar then a good assault rifle is good no matter where you are.....................

[chrisinth]

We, the missus and me, got two huskies 4 years ago in case climate control went really tits.

Waaay ahead of the game.......................

[ableguy]

Must b a Jehova

[ableguy]

Contrary to the ridicule being poured onto the poster I find nothing wrong with being prepared and self-sufficient.

I recalled during the big floods around Bangkok, Pathum Thani, Ayuthaya etc that people were fighting over bottled water, instant noodles and toilet tissue. The shelves were picked dry. The water supply was contaminated and electricity was out in several areas. Just a simple flood and necessities like water and power were gone. I could imagine utter chaos if this lasted more then a few days.

Common knowledge to survivalists is that the best place is the most remote place.

In Thailand that would also mean higher places away from the most likely scenario to besiege Thailand --> Flooding.

I'd pick the more sparsely populated areas of Khao Yai. Not too far from civilization that makes building a refuge difficult or life too hard.

First: You'll need to have your own water supply. Drilling a decent well 60-90 meters deep costs anywhere from 60-100,000 baht (including pump).

If you can afford it buy a water filter and softener if you don't want to develop gallstone, kidney or bladder stones. A stored supply of liquid chlorine will also come in handy as a few drops can purify several gallons of water for safe consumption.

Second: For power to run the pumps I'd go for solar as its getting more affordable and unlimited life supply not counting the battery storage system.

Wind turbines are just too costly to maintain on an individual basis. I'd also include a diesel backup generator just in case somewhere between 6-10kw is probably more then enough as anymore and your sucking fuel at rates of over 8L/hr.

Third: for shelter building a basement would be good only if your on high ground because flooding is homeowner enemy no. 1, and the humidity alone will probably wreak havoc on your stashed supplies. Need to have a really decent ventilation system to counter that.

Fourth: Food. Locals raise fish in ponds. They position chicken hatches over the ponds so the waste feeds the fish. They grow grains and veggies in sloped land above the pond so the water used to irrigate trickles back to the pond. So you've got a complete food supply cycle. The grains and veggies feed the chicken. The chickens feed the fish. The nutrient rich water feeds the grains and veggies.

You get fish, eggs, meat, grains and vegetables.

Fifth: Perimeter security. Barbed wire is cheap and deep canals surrounding your land are possibilities. I personally prefer growing a kind of plant called "Fueng Fa" around the perimeter. Its extremely tolerant to drought and when fully grown is difficult to penetrate due to the thorns and bushiness. Even a guy with a machete would find it tiring to get through.

With this set up your pretty much self-sufficient if the SHTF.

All well thought out...until somebody shoots you through the wire.

Point taken. If your on higher ground I think I would have the advantage and also knowing the terrain better.

Of course having a vest, sniper rifle and thermal vision would be advantageous also.

At the end of day its better to try to remain unseen and alert.

Though your focus is more on flooding issues, which you do supply a number of very good ideas and points to address, the idea that growing a certain type of Fauna around the perimeter and the erecting of barbed wire though interesting, would not stop someone who really wants in. The fact that you do not address is the need one will have for some firepower on hand. A shot gun is useless for anything else other than for close-quarters confrontations (pump-action is best) . At ranges beyond those you will need something better (M16, AR15, or AK). Also you would be far better off with an early warning system that would give you a heads-up. Also as for accommodation you would really need to fortify your house that would need the ability to provide sanctuary as well as protection (kinetic energy weapons, NBC as we are talking about the End of the World in the original post, as well as fire, to name but 3).

Switzerland has bunkers built into every home, office, and building. used to be the law there that each had to have one that could cover all possibilities (not sure if it is still the regulation these days). Montana is full of these private bunkers. There are even companies in the US that for a fee can supply you and your family living accommodations in a huge bunker complex and some even will have you bring your own camper trailer into the fortification to act as your living space.

But do you really want to live in a world where it is all doom and gloom? Is there nothing you could offer that would be of help, other than to just yourself but also to all of us... like help in the solution rather than simply hide in the ground and defend whatever it is that you have managed to put together in the name of self-preservation? We as Humans have created this world and so we have a responsibility to make it better, and not just hide our collective heads in a bunker! So, remember that "Whatever is made by Man can be overcome by Man" can be applied to both your survivalist ideas and the collective crap that the World is faced with these days.

I don't think anyone wants to live in a world of doom and gloom. There are two kinds of doom and gloom, natural and man-made catastrophes.

Most think we can't do much about the natural catastrophes such as earthquakes, hurricanes, tornadoes, flooding, and Tsunami's.

I think we can if these phenomenon are exacerbated by human behavior such as global warming and over exploitation of our natural surroundings such as occupying swamp land that was meant for water storage and blocking natural waterways as in the case of Suvarnabhumi airport that resulted in massive flooding.

We can make the world a better place if we use no more then what we actually need to sustain our lives but as collective humans its easier said then done. The advancement of technology has only made us lazier, highly dependent on power sources (fossil fuels) and taking nature for granted that if we deplete her we can find other forms to exploit because we believe we can develop the technology.

I think I'm doing my part by generating power from natural resources that result in low CO2 emission, planting my own veggies insecticide-free and building an efficient home water system (sink and shower water recycled to irrigation system). I also use LED lighting throughout.

It all costs money but I get it back in power/water bill savings.

My survivalist ideas are meant as my responsibility towards my family and not being over-dependent on the state in the event of a catastrophe.

If I can help others then its a bonus but that help would have to be controlled otherwise I would only be over run by looters and opportunists.

I think many of us here are ex-military but I don't really want to get into that sensitive area. Your points on the weakness of my perimeter defense is valid for highly determined or trained individuals. Though I have an alarm system, CCTV and shatter proof film installed on all my windows, it cannot stop bullets, explosives or a full-blown invasion of opportunists.

I'm not going to build a bunker because I don't see how anyone could survive a nuclear fall out on an individual level.

As with PDW's even the most highly trained well-equipped homeowner, and I mean one man, cannot stop a large group of armed looters but I can stop a group of amateurs. Every preparation is relative to the scenario and has its limitations.

Best thing to do, forget this shit go and have a beer, mellow out and get a life.

[sirineou]

I prescribe to the Dodo school of Survivalist theory with some modifications. To the three watermelons I have added a 30 pack of beer and a botle of vodka for making vodka watermelon.

[media]

[media]

[Caput Lupinum]

I intend on preying on balloon chasers. Those guys are never short of food or cash in their own places.

[canuckamuck]

I live in a remote northern village. Survival is their specialty. I wonder if we would even notice an apocalypse.