Son of Koh Tao Island Chief denies role In Britons' murder

[bander]

"Police have given conflicting statements about whether DNA samples of Mr. Warot and his father have been tested. "

Another proof that Thai police have no intention to solve this case.

Village chief and his son was prime suspect and person of interest why do they refuse to give DNA samples?

[Tazwa]

From Chiangraitimes a week ago:

"Police questioned why Wiraphan’s son Warot, 22 quickly disappeared from the island shortly after the murders however he stated that his son was studying at a university in Bangkok and he was returning to study, not running as the police said."

This is the part where it appears the father knew his son had returned to Bangkok after the murders.

[ferdis]

The time-stamp in photo that the lawyer is holding is white. Whereas the time-stamp in second corridor photo is a mix of white and black.

They could be different cameras with different settings, however if it's the same building with a single CCTV system I would have thought the time stamp would be the same on all images.

They both look like they're taken from the same camera because you can see a box in the far left of the corridor when you zoom in.

[zaZa9]

From the lawyers own statement -

"Mr. Attakorn said his client never went into hiding and that police never questioned Mr. Warot about the murder. He added that Mr. Warot is willing to cooperate with police if he is ever summoned for questioning."

[Baerboxer]

It's incredible how people who know nothing about the case have such strong opinions.

It's a terrible thing to be accused of such a thing as murder and rape. This kid deserves to be treated as innocent unless there is some real evidence to suggest he is involved.

Don't start that "if he's done nothing then he's got nothing to fear" crap, evidence can get messed up in both directions.

I wouldn't want the police taking my DNA sample for fear that it would end up getting contaminated in some way. The accused should NOT give his DNA unless ordered by a court to do so in my opinion.

Even in so called civilized countries people get convicted of crimes they never were involved in and forensic evidence gets mixed up, just look at the mess made of the OJ Simpson case.

So you would condemn all of the random insisted forced DNA testing of migrant workers, foreigners, poor Thais that has taken place too?

They were all innocents, never charged with anything but have been forced to give their DNA to a police force that has a very unsavory reputation. Or do you think this "kid" should be treated differently. That coming from a wealthy and powerful family makes you more innocent until proven guilty?

Look at the circumstances. A very senior policeman says publicly that the boy and his uncle are prime suspects. Daddy gets involved and "pfuff" they are cleared in an instance. Suddenly the boy was never on the island, despite supposedly leaving early the day after the murder. Then witnesses and cctv "proved" he was in BKK. The Daddy and Uncle are reported to be cleared after having the fastest ever Thai DNA tests. The Scot who pointed in their direction is threatened, has to leave the island and becomes the subject of a smear campaign. The Daddy baits the police, offering a ThB 1m "reward" if they ever prove its was a member of his family that did it (demonstrating his wealth and power to the islanders?). Now sonny is paraded by his lawyer with dodgy looking stills from the CCTV. He was cleared by the police so why several days later do they feel the need to go through this circus. Are they hoping to secure some kind of closure, gain face, show people they can get away with anything? Do they hope repeating a lie make it become the truth, even to yourself?

Fact is the murdered couple were at the bar owned by his dad, managed by his uncle. His uncle appears to have been wandering the murder scene with the police, and someone looking like his dad appears in one photo wearing rubber gloves. He looks like the suspect caught in the CCTV on the island. The whole incident with the Scot is very strange.

Don't you think all of the above warrants a real thorough investigation, including real DNA testing. Would you not think these family members are more suspect than the randomly selected migrant workers who had to give DNA?

Sadly, this case is going to be like the Kirsty Jones case. Lots of people will know exactly who done it, but nobody will ever be brought to justice. Too many interested parties for that.

[SteveFong]

That is 99% him in the running video

and 100% him on the walking video,

look at the arm sway,

and yes, the haircut

really

what was the occasion?

and, who hires a lawyer, that doesnt need a lawyer?

NOBODY

[Silents]

They have all the tools and proofs to solve this case, is a small Island with a very limit of people who can have done it.
They have DNA, murder weapons, finger prints, hair, shoe size, length and nationality group.
What i want to say a full complete dinner table for a investigator.

They have cctv of one suspect, who probably are involved in one way or maybe seen something.
He look very similar to one person who photos circulates in media. Hair style, body, color and body structure looks very similar.

Let some suspect run and walk same time in front of the camera and you will find out who it is and go from there.
They are also a limit of people who fits in the picture with similar body.
(they are many websites who have photos side by side to compare)

Treat everyone as a suspect and do a DNA test and case will be solved soon.
They manage to do 160 DNA test in a few days. So they have the manpower.

Like many say here on forums and media:
They do not want to solve this case or they can't of some reasons.

Who want to visit Koh Tao if they have a group of people who are capable of crimes like this.
Koh Tao needs to solve this for the islands reputation and respect of victim and there families.

Edited October 1, 2014 by Silents

[Das Boot]

Having worked with video production, including overlays for the past 30+ years, I have just one question:- Why would two different cameras have the same overlaid alpha-numeric data errors? (The overlaid data dips in the middle and changes between black & white overlay) Obviously, these video recordings have both been run through the same video overlay retro-actively.

The overlay unit has two problems: a data alignment error & data colour mix between black & white which has been copied on to both video clips. The chances of two separate cameras having one of the the EXACT same problems is so great its virtually impossible. Having both problems?... Well I think its pretty obvious to anyone with half a brain, this is clearly fabricated evidence.

[boomerangutang]

The time-stamp in photo that the lawyer is holding is white. Whereas the time-stamp in second corridor photo is a mix of white and black.

They could be different cameras with different settings, however if it's the same building with a single CCTV system I would have thought the time stamp would be the same on all images.

They both look like they're taken from the same camera because you can see a box in the far left of the corridor when you zoom in.

The photo shown in the news article and the (supposedly same) photo held up by the lawyer are different in several basic ways. Besides one is color and the other isn't, the time stamps vary on the numbers and colors. I would expect a 13 year old neophyte to be able to doctor photos better than that. Very low class. Plus the attorney is telling lies (son wasn't on island, even tho the punk's dad said he was), but no one is surprised by that. If you don't tell lies, you're not Thai.

[Equalizer]

Mr. Warot's lawyer, Attakorn Onart needs to realize that students do not take classes and examinations on Saturdays and Sundays at any university. University documents that confirmed his class attendance and examination!!! it is going to be hard to convince a judge that one pupil attended a weekend class on his own with one teacher who is on the pay role. Now his hands have healed he comes forward.

[Sena Dave]

So they didn't check to see if he was actually on the island before naming him as the Prime suspect. What a shower

[Plutojames88]

Having worked with video production, including overlays for the past 30+ years, I have just one question:- Why would two different cameras have the same overlaid alpha-numeric data errors? (The overlaid data dips in the middle and changes between black & white overlay) Obviously, these video recordings have both been run through the same video overlay retro-actively.

The overlay unit has two problems: a data alignment error & data colour mix between black & white which has been copied on to both video clips. The chances of two separate cameras having one of the the EXACT same problems is so great its virtually impossible. Having both problems?... Well I think its pretty obvious to anyone with half a brain, this is clearly fabricated evidence.

It's refreshing to have valuable expertise in a forum frustrated with doubts but not the knowledge .

Hope you follow up with more insights

[bander]

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Let's suppose that somewhere along the line, a DNA match were to be found albeit unlikely. Then what would that prove? My simple view here is that it would show that sex took place! It doesn't necessarily point to who or whom were the murderers!! Maybe the police have evidence that we don't know about?
In no way am I a legal eagle but, if the police try and prosecute on the DNA alone then surely a half decent defense lawyer will get the case dismissed on the grounds that a DNA match does not prove murder.
One wonders what the police have done to establish murder???

I don't think police is interested in solving this case as long as the killer is proven to be a Thai male, possibly living on the Kho Thao island.

To bad the Royal Thai police just keep on making fools out of themselves in front of the whole world, shame on you!

[Plutojames88]

Sean may have known his time on the Island was over .

He knew too much .

Slipped got involved - even witnessed the horrendous crime and cover up.

""No Thai could have done this""

Remarks.

This case is looking like it not only has high level cover up .

But people connected high up ( family) may have committed it.

The kid in the photo looks a remorseful , scorned boy being rescued by a powerful Thai lord in his father.

With. The powers that be demanding no connection is made

Edited October 1, 2014 by Plutojames88

[canuckamuck]

Why are these important photos that allegedly give an alibi to the murder suspect, printed by a crappy inkjet with blocked jets? Surely they can deliver a digital copy. But even if they did, I would love to see another example of a video time code which seems to be randomly black and white. All white you would expect, black maybe but I have never seen it. Black and white? crazy.

If this guy was innocent. the easiest thing in the world would be a DNA test and a clip of the CCTV. Instead we get a lawyer and subterfuge.

[jucel]

The investigation is so flawed, it's as though they are baiting the westerners!!

The murderers are sitting somewhere laughing and joking about this.

[CapeThai]

Very easy to fabricate a still image and create documentation if you have money to pay for it.

Police should investigate further and ask around his university and residence in Bangkok if he has been seen by anyone.

Also provide your DNA if your NOT guilty..... I understand he refuses to give DNA and instead insist on the so called evidence that he was in Bangkok at the time of the murders ?

Why after so many day's only come forward with " evidence" to clear himself ? Hmm... obviously takes time to fabricate anything... doesn't it ?

Just a thought...

[jucel]

Why are these important photos that allegedly give an alibi to the murder suspect, printed by a crappy inkjet with blocked jets? Surely they can deliver a digital copy. But even if they did, I would love to see another example of a video time code which seems to be randomly black and white. All white you would expect, black maybe but I have never seen it. Black and white? crazy.

If this guy was innocent. the easiest thing in the world would be a DNA test and a clip of the CCTV. Instead we get a lawyer and subterfuge.

It's probably to show that they can present any old &lt;deleted&gt; and still no further questions will be asked. They are laughing at the UK whilst sticking the middle finger up.

As much to say "what the &lt;deleted&gt; are you going to do about it"?!! "We are invincible"!!

[jimbeam1]

There are two brothers, what about the other one ?

One was the brother (of the chief) and one was the son. Yes, because all eyes are on this, Interpol should be doing a DNA on both.....suspects or not.

No, the chief has two sons, he is asked how many in interview and clearly says two both in bangkok.

Would they be twins by any chance?

jb1

[Time Traveller]

Claims he was in BKK at the time. Police say he is no longer a suspect....So why the need to arrange a media interview to declare his innocence?

Like I said last week, he might not have killed anyone, but he knows who did.

Edited October 1, 2014 by Time Traveller

[Fat Haggis]

Let's just face it people there are "untouchables " in Thai society no matter what we all see.

This IS Thailand and if you want to live here you have to accept the rough with the smooth even though it galls everyone, but. NOBODY is going to be found in this case the money has already changed hands to make sure the true suspects will never see so much as a day inside a police cell.

The family if the victims will never have peace of mind, forget the PM's words about solving this one it ain't gonna happen, he knows this too as these connected "families" are more powerful than he is.

He has to live here and won't be PM forever but these powerful families have connections all the way to the top and there's nothing the PM can do about it but fall into line like a good little boy and forget the murders ever happened, which is what most Thais of influence want too.

[VINCENT2012]

The son of a powerful local administrator on Koh Tao island

make up your mind!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

the last time in other post he was old chief of village....not even the actual chief...............so what happened? now he suddenly become a powerful local administrator????

who is giving the news?

what can we trust about all these news ?

[DaveinAsia]

Easy to doctor images.. Is this what he did during his week in hiding? Find "paid" witnesses and create stories.

If he was innocent why didn't he surrender immediately.

Get the whole family DNA tested independently, not in Thailand.

Easy to doctor DNA results if they are not carried out by an independent body

[ALLSEEINGEYE]

is it just me or doesn't he resemble the guy in the CCTV footage of the suspect running from the murder scene area in shorts?

[jucel]

Let's just face it people there are "untouchables " in Thai society no matter what we all see.

This IS Thailand and if you want to live here you have to accept the rough with the smooth even though it galls everyone, but. NOBODY is going to be found in this case the money has already changed hands to make sure the true suspects will never see so much as a day inside a police cell.

The family if the victims will never have peace of mind, forget the PM's words about solving this one it ain't gonna happen, he knows this too as these connected "families" are more powerful than he is.

He has to live here and won't be PM forever but these powerful families have connections all the way to the top and there's nothing the PM can do about it but fall into line like a good little boy and forget the murders ever happened, which is what most Thais of influence want too.

Utterly depressing, but true!

[bander]

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Having worked with video production, including overlays for the past 30+ years, I have just one question:- Why would two different cameras have the same overlaid alpha-numeric data errors? (The overlaid data dips in the middle and changes between black & white overlay) Obviously, these video recordings have both been run through the same video overlay retro-actively.

The overlay unit has two problems: a data alignment error & data colour mix between black & white which has been copied on to both video clips. The chances of two separate cameras having one of the the EXACT same problems is so great its virtually impossible. Having both problems?... Well I think its pretty obvious to anyone with half a brain, this is clearly fabricated evidence.

If only the Thai police had some of your skills this case would be solved already and the killer(s) been behind bars waiting for their death sentence, instead they just keep on making fools out of themselves in front of the whole world.

Edited October 1, 2014 by bander

[ttthailand]

As soon as they say the case can not be solved by them they will need to involve the FBI or The Brits to continue and solve this case.

Will it happen ?

[bander]

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Let's just face it people there are "untouchables " in Thai society no matter what we all see.

This IS Thailand and if you want to live here you have to accept the rough with the smooth even though it galls everyone, but. NOBODY is going to be found in this case the money has already changed hands to make sure the true suspects will never see so much as a day inside a police cell.

The family if the victims will never have peace of mind, forget the PM's words about solving this one it ain't gonna happen, he knows this too as these connected "families" are more powerful than he is.

He has to live here and won't be PM forever but these powerful families have connections all the way to the top and there's nothing the PM can do about it but fall into line like a good little boy and forget the murders ever happened, which is what most Thais of influence want too.

Utterly depressing, but true!

That's right, corruption among the BIB's make evidence disappear and DNA samples missing or not taken. Time to make pressure on Scotland Yard to "help" with the investigation if this case ever gone be solved.

[ttthailand]

If only the Police would listen to 99% of the people following this care and DNA test Mon the son and other family members I think this case would be solved. How much longer are they going to play this game ?

[dieseldave1951]

i hope this works

can anyone see the difference if so tell the police

Bit odd that the dates on the photo are lovely and clear when the rest of the picture quality is sh!te!! handy coincidence possibly though......

I'm no expert on CCTV images, but I want to believe that date and time will be in a straight line on one such picture?

I edited the images in Photoshop and got them a little clearer, and added a straight line (red) under the date and time.

1.jpg

2.jpg

where is the footage of him on Sunday the day of the murder?