Koh Tao murders: Police chief reconfirms Myanmar migrant workers are real suspects

[JLCrab]

I have read that the Police investigation report sent to the Thai Surat Thani prosecutors is 850-pages long -- almost as long as the ThaiVisa investigators' report.

Edited October 7, 2014 by JLCrab

[love1012]

LOL JL Crab - but not as accurate

[Pib]

Prove it by sending the DNA outside of Thailand for independent testing. All other evidence can be planted or otherwise interfered with, while confessions can be easily extracted.

Regarding the DNA testing, it was done in Singapore.

[JLCrab]

We'll see -- for years conspiracy theorists speculated about the 'umbrella man' in Dallas prior to the JFK assassination -- was a guy with an umbrella on a clear day signaling to co-conspirators? Turns out he was just mocking JFK's father who was Ambassador to England who was a supporter of Neville Chamberlain always carried an umbrella.

[love1012]

Yes JL Crab but if they expected us to believe that the killer of JFK made 8 perfectly symetrical 11/2 cm stab wounds with a 5 Kg Hoe I would have thought there was a conspiracy with JFK too!! JFK wasnt photographed handing over a telephone to police which turned up in a bush behind the dead peoples house. JFK's killer wasnt reported by a taxi driver for bribery and threats. This is NOT the same case - here things are obvious and the layers of cover up can each be seen.

[lausie]

This is building momentum now, the telegraph has written an article now saying that the Burmese guys could ne scapegoats and that the RTP's conduct in the case has been questionable at best.

Keep it going people the petition was at 36000 last time I checked

I contacted Tom Phillips from the Telegraph on Sunday and exchanged a few emails with him. I'm so glad they've published an article, and a very well written one at that. This will put questions into a huge audience here in the UK who may not have been following events. Hopefully other news agencies will follow suit.

[Noi657]

Guilty or not guilty?? Suppose we'll never really know!

Polite note to all involved...... Please ask yourselves why this case has caught the imagination of people around the world, even your own people! Why do people not believe you?

If you can answer this honestly then we are making progress!

[Sawan Chan 7]

That is good then....But what happened to this guy...why was he asked to hang himself by Mon and Mons Copper Friend ??? and why is Mon taken pic of hin in the Minimart ???

He is real suspect.

[noitom]

He's telling and he's selling. He;s telling and selling over and over.

[Arkady]

Prove it by sending the DNA outside of Thailand for independent testing. All other evidence can be planted or otherwise interfered with, while confessions can be easily extracted.

Regarding the DNA testing, it was done in Singapore.

My understanding was that they were going to send samples of the semen to Singapore to do the racial profiling which presumably they are unable to do. There was never any confirmation that it went to Singapore but some one came up with the result that both semen samples were from Asian males which brought the investigation of Farang suspects to a dead end. There was never any suggestion that Singapore would be asked to do the DNA matching and Khunying Pornthip has stated that Thailand has the capability to do all the DNA testing without help from the FBI or other outsiders.

[catweazle]

If anyone is looking for smoking guns, then the best ones are the ridiculous statements officials are now pumping out by the hour PLUS the threats to sue anyone who implies foul play.

Apart from the fact that the statement "these are real suspects" does not mean anything (anyone can be a real suspect, but is he a real culprit?), some of the statements made in front of press contradict each other, putting all the lies out in the open for everyone to see, like "confessions were made in presence of their lawyer" while another statement was that they did not want a lawyer because they chose to confess... The phone story changes by the hour as well - it was Hannah's, no David's phone, no I think Hannah's no wait - it was David's, or Hannah's or Santa's? Hhhhmmm, whatever!

If they had nothing to hide and everything would be as transparent as they say, they would agree to a proper press conference with guaranteed immunity of the uncomfortable questions asking reporters as well as an invitation to British CSI experts to reevaluate the evidence. But instead there are threats being hissed at anyone who insists to use his right of free speech. Important questions that have nothing to do with conspiracy theories but are just common sense, such as "Where is Sean and why isn't he being detained and interrogated?", "Why the silence about the shallow stab wounds in David's head, most likely originating from a push dagger and the fact that the assailant must have been a taller than average left hander?" remain unanswered. Instead, we hear threats, senseless babble in front of cameras and shallow excuses...

The time to reestablish trust has run out. Officials can spit as many threats into the faces of the public, but one thing is sure - this one, single case and the f##kups made during the investigation have damaged Thailand's as well as the RTP's reputation amongst Thais AND foreigners to the core and forever! It's not the doubters and truth seekers who have damaged it, but the RTP itself! Why? Because trustworthy, honest enforcer of the law with heart and soul would not look the other way and blurt out threats at concerned citizens, because that is what bullies do!

Edited October 7, 2014 by catweazle

[JohnThailandJohn]

'and the confession of the suspects at the presence of their lawyers'.

Is this the same guy who said they didn't have a lawyer because they didnt ask for one ?

Just how many more times are they going to cock up.

Oh and since when does some bushes outside of some ones window count as their possession.

why can't they stay on script?

Didn't the end of last week an NGO confirm they sent /sending the suspects lawyers? Is it possible and likely the lawyers have since talked to the suspects and police?

Edited October 7, 2014 by metisdead

[lausie]

That is good then....But what happened to this guy...why was he asked to hang himself by Mon and Mons Copper Friend ??? and why is Mon taken pic of hin in the Minimart ???

Where the hell did this come from?!

It was posted on the CSI LA page this morning - not sure where it ultimately came from.

I know it's just one photo, but that looks like a pretty concerned/scared face to me.

[Robert24]

If the case goes to court and the suspects claim trial then prosecution will have to prove it in court. Many questions remain unanswered which I hope will clarify in a court trial.

[greenchair]

My opinion, there are another, perhaps, two folk missing from this crime...

That's right. 2 more i think. At least.

[Noi657]

If anyone is looking for smoking guns, then the best ones are the ridiculous statements officials are now pumping out by the hour PLUS the threats to sue anyone who implies foul play.

Apart from the fact that the statement "these are real suspects" does not mean anything (anyone can be a real suspect, but is he a real culprit?), some of the statements made in front of press contradict each other, putting all the contradictions are out in the open for everyone to see, like "confessions were made in presence of their lawyer" while another statement was that they did not want a lawyer because they chose to confess... The phone story changes by the hour as well - it was Hannah's, no David's phone, no I think Hannah's no wait - it was David's, or Hannah's or Santa's? Hhhhmmm, whatever!

If they had nothing to hide and everything would be as transparent as they say, they would agree to a proper press conference with guaranteed immunity of the uncomfortable questions asking reporters as well as an invitation to British CSI experts to reevaluate the evidence. But instead there are threats being hissed at anyone who insists to use his right of free speech. Important questions that have nothing to do with conspiracy theories but are just common sense, such as "Where is Sean and why isn't he being detained and interrogated?", "Why the silence about the shallow stab wounds in David's head, most likely originating from a push dagger and the fact that the assailant must have been a taller than average left hander?" remain unanswered. Instead, threats, senseless babble in front of cameras and shallow excuses...

The time to reestablish trust has run out. Officials can spit as many threats into the faces of the public, but one thing is sure - this one, single case and the f##kups made during the investigation have damaged Thailand's as well as the RTP's reputation amongst Thais AND foreigners to the core and forever! It's not the doubters and truth seekers who have damaged it, but the RTP itself! Why? Because trustworthy, honest enforcer of the law with heart and soul would not look the other way and blurt out threats at concerned citizens, because that is what bullies do!

Here here!

[fayou]

Prove it by sending the DNA outside of Thailand for independent testing. All other evidence can be planted or otherwise interfered with, while confessions can be easily extracted.

Regarding the DNA testing, it was done in Singapore.

My understanding was that they were going to send samples of the semen to Singapore to do the racial profiling which presumably they are unable to do. There was never any confirmation that it went to Singapore but some one came up with the result that both semen samples were from Asian males which brought the investigation of Farang suspects to a dead end. There was never any suggestion that Singapore would be asked to do the DNA matching and Khunying Pornthip has stated that Thailand has the capability to do all the DNA testing without help from the FBI or other outsiders.

https://twitter.com/pakhead/status/519394676931969024

[JohnThailandJohn]

Prove it by sending the DNA outside of Thailand for independent testing. All other evidence can be planted or otherwise interfered with, while confessions can be easily extracted.

Regarding the DNA testing, it was done in Singapore.

My understanding was that they were going to send samples of the semen to Singapore to do the racial profiling which presumably they are unable to do. There was never any confirmation that it went to Singapore but some one came up with the result that both semen samples were from Asian males which brought the investigation of Farang suspects to a dead end. There was never any suggestion that Singapore would be asked to do the DNA matching and Khunying Pornthip has stated that Thailand has the capability to do all the DNA testing without help from the FBI or other outsiders.

https://twitter.com/pakhead/status/519394676931969024

Exactly, the comparing was done in Thailand. The points are ... they said they were sending the DNA from the crime scene to Singapore to find out race since Thailand could not do that test (probably Y-DNA test) and that Thailand could only confirm the sex being male. Later it was announced they were Asian.

But the bigger point being is there are at least 3 Universities that have the original DNA from the crime scene results on file and the suspects lawyers can use the universities to re-compare their clients DNA if there is doubt ... not to mention they can likely compare it with Singapore too.

[Pattaya46]

Just a minute.... Now her phone was found outside the window again? i thought her friend handed it to the police... theres a photo AND a video of her doing this!!!!!!!!!!

What about reading recent articles before getting back some ridiculous rumors ?

Look at the pictures and the videos from the police.

If you can't see the difference between a Pink phone and a Black phone...

[bertty]

'and the confession of the suspects at the presence of their lawyers'.

Is this the same guy who said they didn't have a lawyer because they didnt ask for one ?

Just how many more times are they going to cock up.

Oh and since when does some bushes outside of some ones window count as their possession.

why can't they stay on script?

Didn't the end of last week an NGO confirm they sent /sending the suspects lawyers? Is it possible and likely the lawyers have since talked to the suspects and police?

No I think they were talking about the Burmese embassy, human rights guys... If it wears a suite they can call it a lawyer.

Its all contradictions and mumbo jumbo.

[bertty]

Just a minute.... Now her phone was found outside the window again? i thought her friend handed it to the police... theres a photo AND a video of her doing this!!!!!!!!!!

What about reading recent articles before getting back some ridiculous rumors ?

Look at the pictures and the videos from the police.

If you can't see the difference between a Pink phone and a Black phone...

Agreed, but he said they found the phone in the suspects possessions. Bushes, possessions... Again its all contradictive mumbo jumbo.

[boomerangutang]

from the OP:

....and the confession of the suspects at the presence of their lawyers.

Unless I'm mistaken, the suspects have had no legal representation. If a lawyer was appointed by the police then he's probably playing ball with the police. Even if an independent attorney was able to represent the Burmese, you can bet your Micky Mantle baseball card he wouldn't be allowed lawyer-client confidentiality as is expected in a freer society.

DNA can only prove that they have sex.

You're assuming the DNA trail is solid. It's not. Granted, the initial DNA tests were done in Singapore and supposedly took at least 2 days. However, DNA on the Headman's brother (who was and still be a suspect) was done surprisingly quick (hours). There was no DNA tests on any cops, not even cops close to the Headman's clique who should have been suspects. There was no DNA on the man who should be the #1 suspect: The Headman's son. Why? He didn't want a test. Of course the Burmese couldn't refuse a test (they no clue as to their rights on anything), and their DNA probably wasn't even tested at all. Even if it was, it's as easy as pie for the cops to simply say: "The Burmese DNA matched." because they expect everyone to respect and believe them. Do you? I certainly don't. There have been thousands of people who have been PLEADING for the cops to get independent DNA tests and comparisons, not just for the Burmese scapegoats but also for the other suspects, particularly the Headman's son. Cops response to us: 'go screw yourselves.'

If the case goes to court and the suspects claim trial then prosecution will have to prove it in court. Many questions remain unanswered which I hope will clarify in a court trial.

You're assuming things transpire as they would in a western country. This is Thailand. There are 2 judges sitting up high in a small room. There is no jury. The police prosecuting attorney tells the judges his version. The judges nod in agreement. The judges know what the top military and police brass want. They want guilty suspects who are non-Thai, and they want this whole mess wrapped up a.s.a.p. so tourism dollars can get up to speed for high season. Unless someone proves me wrong, the suspects have no representation, no money, no voice, and were coerced in to signing paper they couldn't read.

[chrisinth]

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My opinion, there are another, perhaps, two folk missing from this crime...

Missing from the crime scene.

To speculate, the DNA samples could well be a match and the Burmese lads guilty of murder, but were they acting alone or carrying out the orders of someone else?

There are many, many more questions to be asked before this is concluded, the conclusion to include all the players.

And missing witnesses.....................

[JohnThailandJohn]

Just a minute.... Now her phone was found outside the window again? i thought her friend handed it to the police... theres a photo AND a video of her doing this!!!!!!!!!!

What about reading recent articles before getting back some ridiculous rumors ?

Look at the pictures and the videos from the police.

If you can't see the difference between a Pink phone and a Black phone...

It doesn't matter how ridiculous this conspiracy theories are, this is how they work ... Ignore and discount facts you don't like and then focus on tiny bits of partial or incorrect information and keep repeating it until other uninformed join and then stick and keep listening to the pack so you can ignore anyone pointing out the rational facts and how highly implausible the conspiracy theory is.

The vast majority of these claims have are less credible than Elvis being alive and living on the sound stage where they faked the moon landings.

Yes police do bad things and yes some Thai people have murdered and yes rich people can get away with things others cannot. None of these take away the fact this is a mountain of evidence against these guys and the DNA can be reconfirmed. There is no rational reason to believe a rich Thai was involved in this and while it possible and even likely the police acted improperly at times during this investigation it doesn't change the fact they have the right guys to file their case.

Some people finally seem to be indicating these are the right guys but are now saying others involved. At least this is a step in the right direction of letting logic instead of emotion guide you.

[englishoak]

Regarding the DNA testing, it was done in Singapore.

My understanding was that they were going to send samples of the semen to Singapore to do the racial profiling which presumably they are unable to do. There was never any confirmation that it went to Singapore but some one came up with the result that both semen samples were from Asian males which brought the investigation of Farang suspects to a dead end. There was never any suggestion that Singapore would be asked to do the DNA matching and Khunying Pornthip has stated that Thailand has the capability to do all the DNA testing without help from the FBI or other outsiders.

https://twitter.com/pakhead/status/519394676931969024

Exactly, the comparing was done in Thailand. The points are ... they said they were sending the DNA from the crime scene to Singapore to find out race since Thailand could not do that test (probably Y-DNA test) and that Thailand could only confirm the sex being male. Later it was announced they were Asian.

But the bigger point being is there are at least 3 Universities that have the original DNA from the crime scene results on file and the suspects lawyers can use the universities to re-compare their clients DNA if there is doubt ... not to mention they can likely compare it with Singapore too.

The glaring elephant in the room is the 3rd DNA found on Hannas body confirmed by the pathologist, meaning at least 1 other is involved.

Meaning theres still a murderer/rapist or more than 1 still out there, regardless of these two.

It is NOT simply 2 suspects are the only 2 murderers/rapists case closed.

We are talking at LEAST 3 were involved probably more

Edited October 7, 2014 by englishoak

[JohnThailandJohn]

_{'and the confession of the suspects at the presence of their lawyers'.}

_{Is this the same guy who said they didn't have a lawyer because they didnt ask for one ?}

_{Just how many more times are they going to cock up.}

_{Oh and since when does some bushes outside of some ones window count as their possession.}

why can't they stay on script?

Didn't the end of last week an NGO confirm they sent /sending the suspects lawyers? Is it possible and likely the lawyers have since talked to the suspects and police?

No I think they were talking about the Burmese embassy, human rights guys... If it wears a suite they can call it a lawyer.

Its all contradictions and mumbo jumbo.

"A team of lawyers has been sent to help the two migrant Myanmar workers being charged with murdering two British tourists and raping one of them on Koh Tao, a prominent activist for the rights of migrant workers said yesterday. - See more at: http://news.asiaone.com/news/asia/koh-tao-murders-rights-group-arranges-lawyers-myanmar-suspects#sthash.tMIBWvX4.dpuf"

Edited October 7, 2014 by metisdead

[Pattaya46]

The glaring elephant in the room is the 3rd DNA found on Hannas body confirmed by the pathologist, meaning at least 1 other is involved.

You are wrong. He never said or confirmed that.

See http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/766270-police-clarify-koh-tao-victims-cellphone-planting/?p=8498751

[JohnThailandJohn]

The glaring elephant in the room is the 3rd DNA found on Hannas body confirmed by the pathologist, meaning at least 1 other is involved.

Meaning theres still a murderer/rapist or more than 1 still out there, regardless of these two.

It is NOT simply 2 suspects are the only 2 murderers/rapists case closed.

We are talking at LEAST 3 were involved probably more

If true, how do you know they didn't confirm whose DNA this was early on such as David's? And do you have a link to the Thai pathologist saying this or is this more facts from Facebook?

[Elmer Gantry]

This is building momentum now, the telegraph has written an article now saying that the Burmese guys could ne scapegoats and that the RTP's conduct in the case has been questionable at best.

Keep it going people the petition was at 36000 last time I checked

I contacted Tom Phillips from the Telegraph on Sunday and exchanged a few emails with him. I'm so glad they've published an article, and a very well written one at that. This will put questions into a huge audience here in the UK who may not have been following events. Hopefully other news agencies will follow suit.

Well done,it's a shame more of us don't have such contacts

[MikePhuket1970]

Burmese Suspects in Koh Tao Murders Tortured Under Interrogation: Lawyer

http://www.irrawaddy.org/burma/burmese-suspects-koh-tao-murders-tortured-interrogation-lawyer.html#.VDPZzhm3fwI.twitter