Koh Tao: British tourist murder suspects confess to human rights commissioner

[elektrified]

Please stop with the independent DNA tests as we all know that is not the way things are done. Instead they will have a biased test run by their legal team who are going to do everything in their power to benefit their clients. This is the way legal procedures work in countries not turning to another country to appease public doubts or conspiracy nuts.

Besides, an independent DNA test would simply be met with folks saying Thais contaminated or gave wrong samples for testing.

To how many people and how many times must these two say they are guilty before people believe them?

How is independent DNA testing not the way things are done? What do you mean by "things"? How can you have biased test run? DNA either matches or it doesn't.

Now I'm suspicious.

One country doesn't turn to another country in a criminal case like this to confirm what they already know or can do themselves ... especially just to make public doubters happy. The UK would also never request to get involved like this. A country may offer their assistance but that is going to be it, they are not going to make a request because it would be highly out of line and not the way things are done.

And again, there is no reason for it as their lawyers can also have this same test done.

Is there any chance you could limit your posts to say 3 per day, making the points which you want to make in a single post every few hours instead of staying up day and night to immediately get in a post in response to anyone else and trying to ram your agenda down the throats of others? Someone must be paying you to do what you are doing. No one would would invest the time you are.

I've tried ignore but it doesn't seem to work with you as you post so quickly and always quote others so the filter can't get them all. It's really annoying! Get a life!

[JohnThailandJohn]

BS, its what is wanted and what is needed....Thats what all the fuss is really about... transparency and trust

You do have a problem with the one thing that would settle things real well for all

I am a 100% advocate of going beyond an independent test and instead having their advocated (lawyers) have the test run. This is the way criminal cases work and is much better than an independent test.

How can anything be better than an independent test?

It cant be, unless of course theres a reason not to want independent testing

Their lawyers can certainly have the tests run in the UK or anywhere else they believe is in the best interest of their clients.

And of course what is better for the defendants to have an advocate for them be in control of where and how the tests are run. Really simple concept that is used in most criminal cases around the globe.

The only thing good about whining for an independent test now is that you all know it is not going to happen because that is not the way things are done. Face it, even if it was you wouldn't believe it and say Thai gave different or contaminated samples.

If the defense decides to not plead guilty then they will put on a defense. This case is going to court based on the evidence police collected and during court is when the defense may show other DNA results. This case and every other criminal case is not about making the public and social media people happy before trial.

[englishoak]

Sorry Bud you dont get to tell me what i do or dont believe

[7Heaven]

http://www.amnesty.org/en/news/thailand-must-investigate-police-torture-allegations-and-not-violate-rights-tourist-murder-prob

[Tanlic]

They drank beer and wine must of been well paid migrants as wine is very expensive in the Kingdom I still have my doubts about these two workers and where is the murder weapon that killed David and if my memory is correct there we're three separate DNAs but we only have two suspects.

Is that it? They drank wine and on that evidence you think they have been stitched up? A few guys chipping in a few baht each can buy more than a few 30 baht cans of beer and a large bottle of cheap plonk

Face facts there is no badge man behind the picket fence nor do we have Lee Harvey Oswald crying out I'm a patsy.

All we have is these guys saying "We did it" to everyone and their uncle

So uless they are completely stupid and think they will get probation and not a possible death penalty I'd say the police have got the right people.

[anthobkk]

I don't get it.

Yesterday they said they didn't do it and were tortured :

http://bangkok.coconuts.co/2014/10/07/koh-tao-murders-accused-men-recant-confessions-tell-embassy-lawyer-they-were-tortured

and today they confess they did it ??

[Tatsujin]

As I posted on another thread:

Interesting to note that they haven't mentioned the DNA testing in Singapore at all recently . . . the latest today from other sources:

" . . . They also verified DNA samples taken from Witheridge's body at Chiang Mai University and Chulalongkorn universities . . . "

[kkup]

These guys need better lawyers with experience in high profile murder cases and some financial help for private investigation and retesting. If anyone is interested in starting a crowd funding project pls message me.

[jacko45k]

The cigarette butts with their dna found on the beach is part of the strong evidence against them. Now these boys were both very drunk from beer and wine. Were are the bottles that these two drank from I wonder?

Surely there is more compelling evidence DNA wise which truly confirms their involvement.........

[JohnThailandJohn]

They drank beer and wine must of been well paid migrants as wine is very expensive in the Kingdom I still have my doubts about these two workers and where is the murder weapon that killed David and if my memory is correct there we're three separate DNAs but we only have two suspects.

Is that it? They drank wine and on that evidence you think they have been stitched up? A few guys chipping in a few baht each can buy more than a few 30 baht cans of beer and a large bottle of cheap plonk

Face facts there is no badge man behind the picket fence nor do we have Lee Harvey Oswald crying out I'm a patsy.

All we have is these guys saying "We did it" to everyone and their uncle

So uless they are completely stupid and think they will get probation and not a possible death penalty I'd say the police have got the right people.

You have to understand some people are going to see things the way they want for a conspiracy -- So "wine" becomes some expensive bottle of wine instead of the common wine drink "wine coolers" that are drank by many just like beer.

Lets not even get into how they know the murder weapon, sequence of the blows and if they were committed post or pre death based on low res images on the internet.

[BuddhistVirus]

Lawyer Aung Myo Thant said the pair, Zaw Lin and Win Zaw Htun, both 21, from the Arakanese town of Kyaukphyu, told a Burmese embassy legal team they had murdered English tourists

Speaking to DVB on Monday, Kyaw Thaung, a representative of the Myanmar Association in Thailand, who attended the interview with the defendants, said, “We went to the prison [on Koh Samui] and were allowed to meet with the two freely. They confessed to committing the crime under the influence of alcohol.

https://www.dvb.no/news/koh-tao-murderers-were-tortured-says-burmese-embassy-lawyer-burma-myanmar/44781

"Thailand to host Tour de France in 2015..."

[culicine]

Beer and wine?

Migrant workers?

Is wine cheap on Koh Tao?

I know in Bangkok the cheapest wine is about 350 Baht a bottle. Surely these people won't spend a days wage on a bottle of wine.

For people down here wine is the same as spy classic, red, black.

Where are all the left over empties if they had been drinking all night (remember they got there about 11pm and supposedly played guitar for 3 hours or more). Maybe they are evironmentally aware and put them in the nearest garbage bin lol

[ChiangMaiThai]

How does the Human Rights Commissioner feel about police comments to the press yesterday that the DNA of highly suspicious persons still on the loose and being publicly suspected by hundreds of thousands of people online, cannot just be forced to provide DNA due to their human rights?

If in agreement with this statement, where was this person when police were conducting blanket DNA testing on Koh Tao? Are some people more human than others?

They hypocrisy is just sickening. Do these people believe their own sh&t?

Oh, and can someone explain how the blanket DNA tests didn't catch these guys the first time round (especially where Burmese workers in the area were the immediate suspects) and why anyone associated with the 5 lovely families running the island was permitted to exercise their human rights and refuse DNA testing?

It's a complete <deleted>(king joke. I would really hate myself if I was one of the people standing up talking in front of cameras with a straight face insisting that this is an open and shut case. I wonder if the people who are doing so actually feel bad deep inside or if corruption and indifference to truth eventually destroys any sense of morals and empathy.

[JohnThailandJohn]

These guys need better lawyers with experience in high profile murder cases and some financial help for private investigation and retesting. If anyone is interested in starting a crowd funding project pls message me.

Can only imagine if this was Thais who killed and raped UK citizen(s) --- be screaming for blood and the hangem high crowd would be out in force but instead we get calls to send these guys funds to help them try to get off even though a human rights group has already agreed to provide lawyers.

[Kaymcdonnell]

The cigarette butts with their dna found on the beach is part of the strong evidence against them. Now these boys were both very drunk from beer and wine. Were are the bottles that these two drank from I wonder?

Very good point!!!!!

I have not heard anything about beer or wine bottles along with the cigarette buts left on the beach by very drunk murderers? Also when he was running past the 7/11 i did not see the guitar that has been mentioned?

[Tanlic]

http://www.amnesty.org/en/news/thailand-must-investigate-police-torture-allegations-and-not-violate-rights-tourist-murder-prob

How come it's always an unnamed person who makes these sort of claims?

[Anthony5]

I don't get it.

Yesterday they said they didn't do it and were tortured :

http://bangkok.coconuts.co/2014/10/07/koh-tao-murders-accused-men-recant-confessions-tell-embassy-lawyer-they-were-tortured

and today they confess they did it ??

From the pictures it doesn't look that a Bangkok coconuts reporter, or a a reporter of any media for that matter, was present at the interview with the Embassy staff.

[NongKhaiKid]

Police in Thailand have a long proven record of using scapegoats and of prosecuting the wrong person, and that is why this case needs scrutiny. It bothers many that government officials are not emphasizing a thorough investigation and fair trial to make sure they got the right person, but rather focusing on a quick conviction. There are way too many open questions, rumors of torture, and hints at a cover up at this point.

Also.... Here is a link to the article that some quotes are being pulled from. It is worth reading the whole thing.

http://bangkok.coconuts.co/2014/10/07/koh-tao-murders-accused-men-recant-confessions-tell-embassy-lawyer-they-were-tortured

Interesting link, thanks.

It seems the BIB are claiming the Myanmar national being held incommunicado as a witness is to prevent ' interference '. This is good from an organisation that hasn't stopped talking from Day 1 and is now holding press conferences to prove guilt, who needs due process in a court ?

The lawyer from Myanmar's Embassy says the two suspects are recanting their confession claiming it was made under duress.

It's also reported that the Embassy is ' satisfied ' with everything whereas a senior diplomat is quoted as elsewhere as disputing that claim from the Thai Foreign Ministry.

Way to go LoS this has been textbook procedure from the start so don't stop patting yourself on the back.

[bertty]

So once again just to be on the safe side, the main part of the DNA comes from cigarettes that were found on the beach. Is that right ?

Hell of a crime to hang for. Were there any *NO SMOKING* signs ?

[roath]

rice wine is cheap

[wabothai]

REALLY ?

[Japhrodisiac]

So someone there sent to help them and protect their rights is prejudicing the case by revealing to the media that they have confessed to him that they are guilty? good lord

[i claudius]

rice wine is cheap

Sato 34 baht a large bottle about 750cl

[binjalin]

why no DNA from head honcho and son? what they trying to hide?

[bangkokheat]

Beer and wine?

Migrant workers?

Is wine cheap on Koh Tao?

I know in Bangkok the cheapest wine is about 350 Baht a bottle. Surely these people won't spend a days wage on a bottle of wine.

For people down here wine is the same as spy classic, red, black.

there is also thai rice wine, very cheap

[restart67]

Beer and wine?

Migrant workers?

Is wine cheap on Koh Tao?

I know in Bangkok the cheapest wine is about 350 Baht a bottle. Surely these people won't spend a days wage on a bottle of wine.

If it were wine, I'm quite certain it would be the Lao Khao (rice wine) that can be purchased at any local shop for around 100 Baht. Any event, if they did drink beer and wine, I would be most certain there would have been empty bottles close by. Even myself while having a few drinks at the beach, walking to the nearest trash pale to deposit my empties isn't high on my priority list.

[johnnytuc]

i also read the link, complete opposite to their alleged confessions, <deleted> is going on!

[Thaddeus]

Beer and wine?

Migrant workers?

Is wine cheap on Koh Tao?

I know in Bangkok the cheapest wine is about 350 Baht a bottle. Surely these people won't spend a days wage on a bottle of wine.

For people down here wine is the same as spy classic, red, black.

there is also thai rice wine, very cheap

So is a life.

But unlike wine, the imported stuff is cheaper.

[superal]

Is it not a fact that the DNA samples were processed by the FBI ? If that is the case , all of the results would be retained on their data base .

To disprove the theory of a " set up " the Thai police could invite the FBI to substantiate the evidence and appease the world interest in this awful matter ,

It is a good opportunity for the Thai police to show their credibility and give sound assurances to the family and friends of the deceased plus the western world

tourists , that the whole case and trial have been carried out to the correct conclusion .

There should be no " losing face " for the Thai police in asking for assistance . It is a common event in the western world with the USA & UK sharing info along

with getting help from Interpol .and specialist forensic laboratories .

[love1012]

Great idea - lets just answer all TJT's posts with "Thailand will host the tour de france 2015". He is a troll, with no respect for the dead victims who repeats the same thing in every post.

We know what we believe and there is enormous and strong evidence for misdoing from the time the crime scene was compromised and revisited a few hours after the deaths to yesterday when victims stated they had been beaten and showed bruising and clearly these framed suspects are being tortured and forced to confess to false dna tests on a daily basis until the prosecution is rushed through to save police/thai mafia face from destroying the tourist industry.

No matter how much you spin - THAT is the truth that most can clearly see. A child of 5 can see that pro real murderer posters is dodging the REAL questions on someones orders which they are probably being paid a paltry sum to do.

My thought on this is as follows - The RTP will do what it want to do and Thailand will follow to save its face and its money from tourism. In the long run Tourism willreturn to normal because people come here for certain things that are freely available. There will probably be another similar incident and so the cycle will continue. One day we may find that there is an incient bigger than this. If cancer is untreated it spreads and its soon out of control. Thai people suffer the same fate as Hannah and David remember.

Foriegn countries should be listing Thailand in a ranking of dangerous places to visit and making this information available to everyone not because it is the number 2 destination where westerners are killed, but because the authorities insist on protecting their criminals.

However, Thailand CANNOT change the fact that those outside who are aware of the facts of this case are seeing it for what it is - a framed cover up. As a footnote I know someone who phoned home to a western country on Sunday and their parents were worried about them remaining in Thailand - the first time in 12 years they have expressed any concen. News IS SPREADING!! We need to make people MORE aware of the danger of Thai lawlwssness!