Monk on underage porn- What to do ?

[Kitsune]

My friend sometimes help people with their computer.repairs

The last couple of time, he had to fix a monk's laptop and it was full of viruses from porn sites.

The first time he went to the monk's private room and could fix the problem easily.

He told me about it and I told my friend to report him,but he said it could have been a computer newly given/acquired secondhand.

This time, same monk, same computer but the repair was more complicated and he had to take the computer home to repair it.

So he had a good look at his machine and realized it was full of viruses from underage pornography websites, loads of it.

He says this monk spend his days watching young 14/15 years old girls porn.

Please help me as I am running out of arguments to convince him he has to report him :

-I said he should report him, because it's obviously his computer and he has a private room, so it cannot be anyone else.

-He said that as a computer engineer, he knows that the vast majority of computers are used for sex and he does not expect monks to be different, and probably most of the other monks are doing "it" (porn on computer) anyway.

- I said that INDEED monks should be different and not indulge in pornography,that's why there are monks . They are above us morally.

- He said he will only gain trouble (retaliation may be? the guy/the monk also possess a gun, a real one, the saw it in his room last time) and nothing else.

- I told him all the more! This guy is obviously dangerous ! I reminded my friend he has a young daughter, and he does not want her to grow in a place where a dangerous pedophile monk lives nearby !

[DeaconJohn]

This doesn't ring true.

[Gayllips]

I work on computers full time (live and breathe the computer lifestyle) so I see a lot of dodgy stuff on clients computers than most people.

Whether to report him or not, that would be dependant on the confidentiality agreements that you would have with your clients.

I run quite a few gay porn websites (from outside of Thailand) and would be very upset if people started telling everyone about my business but kiddie stuff is a different matter, so difficult call.

Is your friend a Thai or Farang?

[mrtoad]

I work on computers full time (live and breathe the computer lifestyle) so I see a lot of dodgy stuff on clients computers than most people.

Whether to report him or not, that would be dependant on the confidentiality agreements that you would have with your clients.

I run quite a few gay porn websites (from outside of Thailand) and would be very upset if people started telling everyone about my business but kiddie stuff is a different matter, so difficult call.

Is your friend a Thai or Farang?

Digital Pikey Alert

[Kitsune]

I work on computers full time (live and breathe the computer lifestyle) so I see a lot of dodgy stuff on clients computers than most people.

Whether to report him or not, that would be dependant on the confidentiality agreements that you would have with your clients.

I run quite a few gay porn websites (from outside of Thailand) and would be very upset if people started telling everyone about my business but kiddie stuff is a different matter, so difficult call.

Is your friend a Thai or Farang?

My friend is farang and he does it as a favor. He does not charge for it.

So it's not a business relationship.

[brewsterbudgen]

How do you know they are underage? Unfortunately there are thousands of "teen porn" sites where girls are made to look young but are actually 18+.

Edited October 15, 2014 by brewsterbudgen

[Gayllips]

I work on computers full time (live and breathe the computer lifestyle) so I see a lot of dodgy stuff on clients computers than most people.

Whether to report him or not, that would be dependant on the confidentiality agreements that you would have with your clients.

I run quite a few gay porn websites (from outside of Thailand) and would be very upset if people started telling everyone about my business but kiddie stuff is a different matter, so difficult call.

Is your friend a Thai or Farang?

Digital Pikey Alert

I’m not a Digital Pikey thank you very much.

I earn my living producing adult educational films and playing poker.

I am an online technician.

[David48]

So, your 'Farang' friend has decided not to report it.

Should it be left at that?

Have you seen the 'evidence'?

If not ... aren't you relying the 'hearsay' of another?

What would I do? If I was convinced that the monk was indeed viewing inappropriate material, I would inform the Head Monk and let him deal with it.

Let the Thais deal with their own ... they don't need/want us interfering.

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[AYJAYDEE]

how do you know what age these girls are?

[Kitsune]

How do you know they are underage? Unfortunately there are thousands of "teen porn" sites where girls are made to look young but are actually 18+.

Well that's what he says, I will ask him.

Good question.

But that still does not tell me what to tell him/ what to do.

Also regardless if they are actually 18 or not, if the website claim they are under 18,is that not legally wrong to watch anyway?

[David48]

I’m not a Digital Pikey thank you very much.

I earn my living producing adult educational films and playing poker.

I am an online technician.

I've enjoyed an 'adult educational film' or two over the years.

May I ask ... what is your specialist field?

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[canman]

@Gaylips

Reporting kiddie porn is a difficult call for you is it? I do hope you do not actually hold that view to be true?

@ The op

If there is even a hint of this guy viewing and thereby supporting and helping to enable the sexual exploitation of children then you report him. No ifs,ands or buts.

[AYJAYDEE]

How do you know they are underage? Unfortunately there are thousands of "teen porn" sites where girls are made to look young but are actually 18+.

Well that's what he says, I will ask him.

Good question.

But that still does not tell me what to tell him/ what to do.

Also regardless if they are actually 18 or not, if the website claim they are under 18,is that not legally wrong to watch anyway?

i doubt it. you cant advise him what to do until u know the details. if its pedophilia, he should be reported. if its not , its none of anybody's business except the abbott

[David48]

How do you know they are underage? Unfortunately there are thousands of "teen porn" sites where girls are made to look young but are actually 18+.

Well that's what he says, I will ask him.

Good question.

But that still does not tell me what to tell him/ what to do.

Also regardless if they are actually 18 or not, if the website claim they are under 18,is that not legally wrong to watch anyway?

Now I'm confused.

If your 'friend' has seen the images ... that's understandable as that media would be stored on the computers Hard Drive.

But, unless you visited the actual website ... you wouldn't know what the website said.

Kitsune ... have you visited these websites?

Or are you relying on your friends' confirmation, implying that he has visited them (for research purposes of course)

[Kitsune]

How do you know they are underage? Unfortunately there are thousands of "teen porn" sites where girls are made to look young but are actually 18+.

Well that's what he says, I will ask him.

Good question.

But that still does not tell me what to tell him/ what to do.

Also regardless if they are actually 18 or not, if the website claim they are under 18,is that not legally wrong to watch anyway?

i doubt it. you cant advise him what to do until u know the details. if its pedophilia, he should be reported. if its not , its none of anybody's business except the abbott

Monks are not supposed to engage or watch sex scenes. That's a moral stand for Buddhism.

As for pornography,it's illegal here.

And so is underage.

[mrtoad]

Gayllips seems to be in the industry

[AYJAYDEE]

How do you know they are underage? Unfortunately there are thousands of "teen porn" sites where girls are made to look young but are actually 18+.

Well that's what he says, I will ask him.

Good question.

But that still does not tell me what to tell him/ what to do.

Also regardless if they are actually 18 or not, if the website claim they are under 18,is that not legally wrong to watch anyway?

i doubt it. you cant advise him what to do until u know the details. if its pedophilia, he should be reported. if its not , its none of anybody's business except the abbott

Monks are not supposed to engage or watch sex scenes. That's a moral stand for Buddhism.

As for pornography,it's illegal here.

And so is underage.

its not his job to be an enforcer for the sangha. and unless he is willing to report everyone viewing porn , he should ignore this one too. if its pedophilia, report it.

[Kitsune]

How do you know they are underage? Unfortunately there are thousands of "teen porn" sites where girls are made to look young but are actually 18+.

Well that's what he says, I will ask him.

Good question.

But that still does not tell me what to tell him/ what to do.

Also regardless if they are actually 18 or not, if the website claim they are under 18,is that not legally wrong to watch anyway?

i doubt it. you cant advise him what to do until u know the details. if its pedophilia, he should be reported. if its not , its none of anybody's business except the abbott

I checked and actually it's not pedophilia as it has to be under 11, but it's underage,which is still illegal as porn is in this country anyway

[Gayllips]

@Gaylips

Reporting kiddie porn is a difficult call for you is it? I do hope you do not actually hold that view to be true?

@ The op

If there is even a hint of this guy viewing and thereby supporting and helping to enable the sexual exploitation of children then you report him. No ifs,ands or buts.

If it is a paying client and they insist on anonymity then yes it is a tough call.

[AYJAYDEE]

How do you know they are underage? Unfortunately there are thousands of "teen porn" sites where girls are made to look young but are actually 18+.

Well that's what he says, I will ask him.

Good question.

But that still does not tell me what to tell him/ what to do.

Also regardless if they are actually 18 or not, if the website claim they are under 18,is that not legally wrong to watch anyway?

i doubt it. you cant advise him what to do until u know the details. if its pedophilia, he should be reported. if its not , its none of anybody's business except the abbott

I checked and actually it's not pedophilia as it has to be under 11, but it's underage,which is still illegal as porn is in this country anyway

you cant define underage. and many things folks do are illegal. is he reporting all of it?

[pgrahmm]

Send the computer to the police/army as lost and found......

[David48]

i doubt it. you cant advise him what to do until u know the details. if its pedophilia, he should be reported. if its not , its none of anybody's business except the abbott

Monks are not supposed to engage or watch sex scenes. That's a moral stand for Buddhism.

As for pornography,it's illegal here.

And so is underage.

If it's kiddy fiddling ... I'm sure, to a person here on the forum ... your friend to report him is the correct thing to do.

However, if it's just 'bog standard' porn ... it's a long fall from the Moral high horse you are riding. Better to stand down Kitty Kat.

IMHO of course ... others may disagree.

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[AYJAYDEE]

@Gaylips

Reporting kiddie porn is a difficult call for you is it? I do hope you do not actually hold that view to be true?

@ The op

If there is even a hint of this guy viewing and thereby supporting and helping to enable the sexual exploitation of children then you report him. No ifs,ands or buts.

If it is a paying client and they insist on anonymity then yes it is a tough call.

to report pedophilia? a tough call? my god!!

[Kitsune]

I checked and actually it's not pedophilia as it has to be under 11, but it's underage,which is still illegal as porn is in this country anyway

you cant define underage. and many things folks do are illegal. is he reporting all of it?

underage = under 18

[AYJAYDEE]

I checked and actually it's not pedophilia as it has to be under 11, but it's underage,which is still illegal as porn is in this country anyway

you cant define underage. and many things folks do are illegal. is he reporting all of it?

underage = under 18

nonsense. the age of consent in thailand is 15

[Kitsune]

My apologies

Apparently it is NOT illegal yet to watch under 18 porn in this country

Police must consider what the intentions behind the behaviour are.

For example, the word "possession" should not refer to ordinary porn but should clearly mean pornography of children aged under 18, and photos kept not for personal sexual pleasure but to victimise children.

"It is just such an act that will be considered as wrongdoing," said Pol Gen Chatchawan, also director of the centre for children and women protection and anti-human trafficking under the Royal Thai Police.

That leaves us with just the moral / buddhism stand

Edited October 15, 2014 by Kitsune

[canman]

@Gaylips

No it is not a tough call. To suggest hiding behind some sort of confidentiality clause is laughable. He's a computer tech not a doctor, lawyer or priest. Your in the business you say, me thinks you have an over inflated ego when it comes to what you do.

[bkkcanuck8]

My apologies

Apparently it is NOT illegal yet to watch under 18 porn in this country

Police must consider what the intentions behind the behaviour are.

For example, the word "possession" should not refer to ordinary porn but should clearly mean pornography of children aged under 18, and photos kept not for personal sexual pleasure but to victimise children.

"It is just such an act that will be considered as wrongdoing," said Pol Gen Chatchawan, also director of the centre for children and women protection and anti-human trafficking under the Royal Thai Police.

That leaves us with just the moral / buddhism stand

I would think that even if this is the case, that if it were hard-core porn it would be illegal - otherwise why do they bother blocking the websites?

Just replace all the child porn with old grandma porn and say - it must have been the virus

[AYJAYDEE]

@Gaylips

No it is not a tough call. To suggest hiding behind some sort of confidentiality clause is laughable. He's a computer tech not a doctor, lawyer or priest. Your in the business you say, me thinks you have an over inflated ego when it comes to what you do.

there's no excuse for anyone hiding. thailand belongs to the youth he says? with morality like that, tough times comin.

[AYJAYDEE]

My apologies

Apparently it is NOT illegal yet to watch under 18 porn in this country

Police must consider what the intentions behind the behaviour are.

For example, the word "possession" should not refer to ordinary porn but should clearly mean pornography of children aged under 18, and photos kept not for personal sexual pleasure but to victimise children.

"It is just such an act that will be considered as wrongdoing," said Pol Gen Chatchawan, also director of the centre for children and women protection and anti-human trafficking under the Royal Thai Police.

That leaves us with just the moral / buddhism stand

and your friend has no business deciding what is moral or unbuddhist.