Jerusalem car 'attack' kills baby

[up-country_sinclair]

"The Obama administration will no longer defend Israel at international organisations ahead of the Palestinian move toward statehood at the United Nation

Insha'Allah.

You may recall that the straw that broke the camel's back was how Netanyahu publicly disrespected the US Secretary of State. Netanyahu's government has needed a significant smackdown on the international stage for some time, and it appears that time has finally arrived.

[Steely Dan]

The next paragraph suggests that Washington will veto a settlement resolution put forward by Palestinians. Obama still has to answer to the American people and there is a real likelihood that the democrats will lose the senate and that the republicans will keep the house. The Israel haters should not start counting their chickens yet.

And that includes the one in the Oval Office.

[Steely Dan]

"The Obama administration will no longer defend Israel at international organisations ahead of the Palestinian move toward statehood at the United Nation and the midterm Congressional elections on November 4," Goldberg reported.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/benjamin-netanyahu-is-a-chickenst-prime-minister-and-coward-says-us-official-9824745.html

It's a bit rich coming from an administration which delayed supplying Israel with bunker busting weapons, naively caved in to every Iranian stalling tactic and to top it all leaked an agreement between Israel and Azerbaijan which allowed Israeli bombers to be stationed on their territory allowing a strike on Iran without the need for refueling or overflying Arab airspace.

[up-country_sinclair]

What the knee jerk Israel apologists repeatedly fail to understand is that hating the actions of the Netanyahu government is not the same thing as hating Israel. Hating a country is ridiculous. Hating a vicious regime that that thumbs its nose at international law and has no regard for basic human rights is rational.

[chuckd]

"The Obama administration will no longer defend Israel at international organisations ahead of the Palestinian move toward statehood at the United Nation and the midterm Congressional elections on November 4," Goldberg reported.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/benjamin-netanyahu-is-a-chickenst-prime-minister-and-coward-says-us-official-9824745.html

It's a bit rich coming from an administration which delayed supplying Israel with bunker busting weapons, naively caved in to every Iranian stalling tactic and to top it all leaked an agreement between Israel and Azerbaijan which allowed Israeli bombers to be stationed on their territory allowing a strike on Iran without the need for refueling or overflying Arab airspace.

You do know Obama's most trusted Senior Adviser was born and spent some of her formative years in Iran? Valerie Jarrett by name.

Politics makes strange bed fellows.

[Jingthing]

Obama is going away from power fairly soon. Netanyahu may be in power longer. In any case, I don't think that the basic very long term American policy of support for Israel's defense is going to be much changed by this recent visible clash. That is, except if Rand Paui is elected president. For people who really want the American-Israeli relationship to break down, he is your man so I reckon he has the Islamic American, Nazi American, "progressive" anti-Israel obsessed, and KKK vote wrapped up. If Rand Paul is elected that issue will be out in the open and since the vast majority of the American people based on polling actually still do support the long term American-Israeli close friendship policy, I think that will decrease his chances of winning. If he does run and win, then the message will be sent ... and Israel will be looking for a new best friend. (China?) I doubt it happens.

Edited October 31, 2014 by Jingthing

[Ulysses G.]

Don't worry about Rand Paul. He is associated too much with his father, who was a stone cold nut. Those racist newsletters that were published for many years under his name will reflect on Rand as well. The main thing he has going for him is supporting the legalization of his pot, but pretty much everyone is starting to agree with that.

[Jingthing]

Don't worry about Rand Paul. He is associated too much with his father, who was a stone cold nut. Those racist newsletters that were published for many years under his name will reflect on Rand as well. The main thing he has going for him is supporting the legalization of his pot, but pretty much everyone is starting to agree with that.

He is much more politically skilled than Daddy. I wouldn't rule him out as impossible quite yet. He has broad appeal and of course like any good politician he will try to gloss over and moderate any perceived negatives and extremes for the sake of getting elected. Heck, I like him on some issues, as I think most Americans do of different political persuasions.

Edited October 31, 2014 by Jingthing

[Jingthing]

Humor break.

Maybe JAPAN can be Israel's future new best friend?

Edited October 31, 2014 by Jingthing

[dexterm]

I wonder if the Israeli authorities will similarly shoot on sight the Jewish settler who ran into and killed a 5 year old Palestinian girl a few days ago.

"A young Palestinian girl who was struck by an Israeli settler vehicle earlier Sunday has succumbed to her wounds, medics told Ma‘an. Einas Khalil, five, died after being hit by a car driven by an Israeli settler near the central West Bank town of Sinjil, medical sources at Palestine Medical Complex in Ramallah said ...Residents of Sinjil accused the settler of deliberately hitting the girls"

http://mondoweiss.net/2014/10/palestinians-activists-occupation

[chuckd]

I wonder if the Israeli authorities will similarly shoot on sight the Jewish settler who ran into and killed a 5 year old Palestinian girl a few days ago.

"A young Palestinian girl who was struck by an Israeli settler vehicle earlier Sunday has succumbed to her wounds, medics told Ma‘an. Einas Khalil, five, died after being hit by a car driven by an Israeli settler near the central West Bank town of Sinjil, medical sources at Palestine Medical Complex in Ramallah said ...Residents of Sinjil accused the settler of deliberately hitting the girls"

http://mondoweiss.net/2014/10/palestinians-activists-occupation

Somehow you missed this part of YOUR article.

"Israeli police arrived at the scene shortly after the incident and opened an investigation into whether it was deliberate, locals said. -

[dexterm]

I wonder if the Israeli authorities will similarly shoot on sight the Jewish settler who ran into and killed a 5 year old Palestinian girl a few days ago.

"A young Palestinian girl who was struck by an Israeli settler vehicle earlier Sunday has succumbed to her wounds, medics told Ma‘an. Einas Khalil, five, died after being hit by a car driven by an Israeli settler near the central West Bank town of Sinjil, medical sources at Palestine Medical Complex in Ramallah said ...Residents of Sinjil accused the settler of deliberately hitting the girls"

http://mondoweiss.net/2014/10/palestinians-activists-occupation

Somehow you missed this part of YOUR article.

"Israeli police arrived at the scene shortly after the incident and opened an investigation into whether it was deliberate, locals said. -

only allowed limited quotes, bro..otherwise mods delete.

I still wonder what the Israeli police will do when they find the squatter perp.... a bullet, community service, or zilch?

[chuckd]

I wonder if the Israeli authorities will similarly shoot on sight the Jewish settler who ran into and killed a 5 year old Palestinian girl a few days ago.

"A young Palestinian girl who was struck by an Israeli settler vehicle earlier Sunday has succumbed to her wounds, medics told Ma‘an. Einas Khalil, five, died after being hit by a car driven by an Israeli settler near the central West Bank town of Sinjil, medical sources at Palestine Medical Complex in Ramallah said ...Residents of Sinjil accused the settler of deliberately hitting the girls"

http://mondoweiss.net/2014/10/palestinians-activists-occupation

Somehow you missed this part of YOUR article.

"Israeli police arrived at the scene shortly after the incident and opened an investigation into whether it was deliberate, locals said. -

only allowed limited quotes, bro..otherwise mods delete.

I still wonder what the Israeli police will do when they find the squatter perp.... a bullet, community service, or zilch?

Then perhaps we should wait about condemning the driver until the investigation is complete?

edit to delete part of post.

Edited November 1, 2014 by chuckd

[Scott]

This topic is about the Jerusalem car attack. Please stay on topic.

[Ulysses G.]

I wonder if the Israeli authorities will similarly shoot on sight the Jewish settler who ran into and killed a 5 year old Palestinian girl a few days ago.

"A young Palestinian girl who was struck by an Israeli settler vehicle earlier Sunday has succumbed to her wounds, medics told Ma‘an. Einas Khalil, five, died after being hit by a car driven by an Israeli settler near the central West Bank town of Sinjil, medical sources at Palestine Medical Complex in Ramallah said ...Residents of Sinjil accused the settler of deliberately hitting the girls"

http://mondoweiss.net/2014/10/palestinians-activists-occupation

Somehow you missed this part of YOUR article.

"Israeli police arrived at the scene shortly after the incident and opened an investigation into whether it was deliberate, locals said. -

Of course he "missed" the part that explained that it might have been an accident.

[Scott]

Off-topic posts and replies removed. Continue and warnings will be issued.

[chuckd]

Notice all the camera crews were ready, willing and able to capture it all for posterity.

Can't make those propaganda films without the staged incidents.

[Thorgal]

I wonder if the Israeli authorities will similarly shoot on sight the Jewish settler who ran into and killed a 5 year old Palestinian girl a few days ago.

"A young Palestinian girl who was struck by an Israeli settler vehicle earlier Sunday has succumbed to her wounds, medics told Ma‘an. Einas Khalil, five, died after being hit by a car driven by an Israeli settler near the central West Bank town of Sinjil, medical sources at Palestine Medical Complex in Ramallah said ...Residents of Sinjil accused the settler of deliberately hitting the girls"

http://mondoweiss.net/2014/10/palestinians-activists-occupation

Somehow you missed this part of YOUR article.

"Israeli police arrived at the scene shortly after the incident and opened an investigation into whether it was deliberate, locals said. -

only allowed limited quotes, bro..otherwise mods delete.

I still wonder what the Israeli police will do when they find the squatter perp.... a bullet, community service, or zilch?

Then perhaps we should wait about condemning the driver until the investigation is complete?

edit to delete part of post.

The Palestinian driver in Jerusalem was killed within 10 minutes after his car hit an obstacle at 30m from the tram station.

He was killed within 500m from the tram station.

He was killed unarmed and without proper investigation...

Edited November 1, 2014 by Thorgal

[chuckd]

Somehow you missed this part of YOUR article.

"Israeli police arrived at the scene shortly after the incident and opened an investigation into whether it was deliberate, locals said. -

only allowed limited quotes, bro..otherwise mods delete.

I still wonder what the Israeli police will do when they find the squatter perp.... a bullet, community service, or zilch?

Then perhaps we should wait about condemning the driver until the investigation is complete?

edit to delete part of post.

The Palestinian driver in Jerusalem was killed within 10 minutes after his car hit an obstacle at 30m from the tram station.

He was killed within 500m from the tram station.

He was killed unarmed and without proper investigation...

...And he INTENTIONALLY drove his car in a manner trying to kill or injure citizens.

The photo op was with some guy simply driving down the road and being attacked by rock throwing thugs.

[Jingthing]

Some of these stones have indeed killed. Why is that? The stones thrown are often VERY BIG STONES and create ACCIDENTS.

As such, the stones are LETHAL WEAPONS and the intentions of the throwers is clear.

Next ...

Edited November 3, 2014 by Jingthing

[Scott]

Off-topic posts and replies along with posts with messed up quotes have been removed.

[Jingthing]

A new one ... copycat terror attack by car on transport in Jerusalem:

http://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Conflict/Car-slams-into-pedestrians-in-Jerusalem-in-suspected-terror-attack-380834

[Seastallion]

A new one ... copycat terror attack by car on transport in Jerusalem:

http://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Conflict/Car-slams-into-pedestrians-in-Jerusalem-in-suspected-terror-attack-380834

Terrible. And if the report is accurate, I fully support the immediate shooting of the driver.

Unlike the first incident where it is unclear if it was an accident and the driver fled simply from fear of mob reaction.

Edited November 5, 2014 by Seastallion

[Jingthing]

A new one ... copycat terror attack by car on transport in Jerusalem:

http://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Conflict/Car-slams-into-pedestrians-in-Jerusalem-in-suspected-terror-attack-380834

Terrible. And if the report is accurate, I fully support the immediate shooting of the driver.

That's good to hear you support shooting a murderous terrorist but he has Hamas connections apparently ... so he will now be hailed as a heroic martyr by both Hamas and Fatah. That is SICK and those are the "peace partners" Israel is supposed to deal with?

Edited November 5, 2014 by Jingthing

[Lissos]

"We congratulate the activity carried out by Jerusalem's blessed heroes that

targeted soldiers and security men," Hamas said in a statement (source)

Reports thus far are that he simply rammed 12 people getting off a tram, not targetted strike on soldiers and security men.

"We call on the people of Jerusalem and the West Bank and all of the Palestinians to carry out

more of these activities with full force in order to defend al-Aksa," the statement read. (source)

[up-country_sinclair]

One can hope that this will prompt Israeli citizens to realize that the actions of their government have consequences.

[Lissos]

One can hope that this will prompt Israeli citizens to realize that the actions of their government have consequences.

Every action has consequences, just as attempting to assasinate a Jewish campaigner had consequences.

Hamas is whining about restrictions, neglecting to note that they came into force after that assasination attempt.

[Ulysses G.]

One can hope that this will prompt Israeli citizens to realize that the actions of their government have consequences.

It might cause more restrictions on Palestinians. That is what usually happens and it often works.

Edited November 5, 2014 by Ulysses G.

[Seastallion]

"We congratulate the activity carried out by Jerusalem's blessed heroes that

targeted soldiers and security men," Hamas said in a statement (source)

Reports thus far are that he simply rammed 12 people getting off a tram, not targetted strike on soldiers and security men.

"We call on the people of Jerusalem and the West Bank and all of the Palestinians to carry out

more of these activities with full force in order to defend al-Aksa," the statement read. (source)

Ahhhh, so this latest surge is in response to Israel's provocative actions at Al Aksa. They (the Israeli government) know full well what Al Aksa means to Muslims.

[Lissos]

Ahhhh, so this latest surge is in response to Israel's provocative actions at Al Aksa.

They (the Israeli government) know full well what Al Aksa means to Muslims.

Closing the mount area temporarily (it opened again at midnight) makes subsequent days of fury and attempted murder, logical?

In the hours it was closed off, Abbas wasted no time in making a public statement that it was a declaration of war.

It was closed off temporarily after 'outrage' was erupting in East Jerusalem about the shooting of the suspected attempted assassin of Glick, a man who was seeking multi faith worship on the mount, an area that most of the world (except the Waqf, Hamas and Fatah) accepts is an area sacred to 3 Abrahamic faiths. Mahmoud Abbas ignores that Jews also consider it as a sacred area in their tradition, if you look at the article I link to above.

Insurance companies write up policy after compiling the results of previous data on the ages of applicants who end up costing them the most, and it is seen as discriminatory by many but the data itself, raw, cannot be denied. Likewise, Israel knows from raw past experience who is going to cause rock lobbing chaos up on a patch of land that is supposedly 'sacred' but is often treated as a battle ground against Israeli security forces.

If security forces have been making movements less smooth for all in the immediate area of the mount in recent days, it is for this reason. The current Israeli Government has infact been going out of its way to maintain the status quo, not pandering to Glick. It will however not stand by and allow total disorder to unfold. If Hamas believes that using a car to ram civilians alighting a light rail tram is somehow 'defending' al Aqsa mosque, I'd like to know how. It is not a 'response', it is business as usual. It applauded the previous car ram attack (carried out days before the temporary closure of the mount), applauded the attempted assasination of Rabbi Glick and also wasted no time in applauding this latest car ram attack.