Nato jets 'intercept Russian spy plane' over Baltic

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Nato jets 'intercept Russian spy plane' over Baltic

(BBC) A Russian spy plane has been intercepted by Nato jets over the Baltic Sea, the alliance says, amid heightened tensions in the region.

Estonia summoned Russia's ambassador on Wednesday after its military said the Ilyushin-20 plane had entered its airspace for about a minute.

But Russia said the plane had been on a training flight and had not violated Estonian airspace.

Russia has been accused of several recent border violations in the region.

The conflict in eastern Ukraine, which the West says Russia has stoked by supporting the rebels, has prompted sanctions against senior figures in Moscow and bans on EU goods in response.

In the past week, non-Nato member Sweden has been searching for a submarine reportedly sighted in its waters in the southern Stockholm archipelago some 48km (30 miles) from the capital. The suspected submarine is widely assumed to be Russian.

Full story: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-29736481


-- BBC 2014-10-23

[daveAustin]

Enter their backyard and watch the toys get thrown out of the pram!

Russia is the China of Europe.

[Credo]

It's not like Russia is such a small country they run out of space to fly a plane on a training mission.

[samran]

Indeed, they are doing it intentionally.

[Matej]

Russian imperialism and provocations are back. Actually, it has started few years ago and since that time there are more and more incidents. Jets, submarines, soldiers ...

For Russia, the safe borders are borders where Russian army is on both sides.

Soviets are back, sadly.

Edited October 23, 2014 by Matej

[Thongkorn]

Russia has been doing this kind of thing for years of the North East coast of England

[Loptr]

Well, it's not as if NATO has provoked Russia... Not in the slightest... How about the US / NATO non-aggression treaty that guaranteed Gorbachov that NATO would not expand into the east... Lies and a broken treaty... Then what about the FACT that the EU / US backed the neo-nazi overthrow of Ukraine... And what about the sanctions imposed on Russia by the west, the Saudis ramping up pumping to lower the cost of oil to hurt Russian exports, and on and on and on...

Putin has warned just last week that these actions might work when you are dealing with a 3rd world shithole that has no way to fight back, but Vlad reminded everyone that Russia is a nuclear power and not to be provoked...

For those bleating that the "Soviet era is back", get a grip... Russia was happily minding their own business when the US funded the neo-nazi overthrow of Ukraine in retaliation for their intervention into the Syrian mess in the summer of 2013...

You people really do need to read me before you comment on things you know nothing about...

[NeverSure]

This Russian incident was a real threat. NOT. That plane was developed in 1956 and is a slow propeller driven plane without much altitude or speed capability.

Russia is really struggling due a big drop in oil prices and simply doesn't have any money to spend on military. Its equipment and technology is crap.

All Putin can do or say to sound tough is to remind people that he has nukes. That whole bunch is comprised of Neanderthals.

[Asiantravel]

This Russian incident was a real threat. NOT. That plane was developed in 1956 and is a slow propeller driven plane without much altitude or speed capability.

Russia is really struggling due a big drop in oil prices and simply doesn't have any money to spend on military. Its equipment and technology is crap.

All Putin can do or say to sound tough is to remind people that he has nukes. That whole bunch is comprised of Neanderthals.

Why are conventional weapons important any more? You talk about Neanderthals. Let's see what America would look like if Russia sets off an EMP using its nuclear arsenal

http://endoftheamericandream.com/archives/life-after-an-emp-attack-no-power-no-food-no-transportation-no-banking-and-no-internet

Edited October 23, 2014 by Asiantravel

[MJP]

This Russian incident was a real threat. NOT. That plane was developed in 1956 and is a slow propeller driven plane without much altitude or speed capability.

Russia is really struggling due a big drop in oil prices and simply doesn't have any money to spend on military. Its equipment and technology is crap.

All Putin can do or say to sound tough is to remind people that he has nukes. That whole bunch is comprised of Neanderthals.

Why are conventional weapons important any more? You talk about Neanderthals. Let's see what America would look like if Russia sets off an EMP using its nuclear arsenal

If they could do that over the UK it would mean I could do the garden today instead of modding.

[NeverSure]

Well, it's not as if NATO has provoked Russia... Not in the slightest... How about the US / NATO non-aggression treaty that guaranteed Gorbachov that NATO would not expand into the east... Lies and a broken treaty... Then what about the FACT that the EU / US backed the neo-nazi overthrow of Ukraine... And what about the sanctions imposed on Russia by the west, the Saudis ramping up pumping to lower the cost of oil to hurt Russian exports, and on and on and on...

Putin has warned just last week that these actions might work when you are dealing with a 3rd world shithole that has no way to fight back, but Vlad reminded everyone that Russia is a nuclear power and not to be provoked...

For those bleating that the "Soviet era is back", get a grip... Russia was happily minding their own business when the US funded the neo-nazi overthrow of Ukraine in retaliation for their intervention into the Syrian mess in the summer of 2013...

You people really do need to read me before you comment on things you know nothing about...

I hear that TVF is giving away free tinfoil hats today.

It's hard to believe that someone would actually prefer and support Russia over the West. That is unless he's a Russian elite.

Edited October 23, 2014 by NeverSure

[Asiantravel]

Well, it's not as if NATO has provoked Russia... Not in the slightest... How about the US / NATO non-aggression treaty that guaranteed Gorbachov that NATO would not expand into the east... Lies and a broken treaty... Then what about the FACT that the EU / US backed the neo-nazi overthrow of Ukraine... And what about the sanctions imposed on Russia by the west, the Saudis ramping up pumping to lower the cost of oil to hurt Russian exports, and on and on and on...

Putin has warned just last week that these actions might work when you are dealing with a 3rd world shithole that has no way to fight back, but Vlad reminded everyone that Russia is a nuclear power and not to be provoked...

For those bleating that the "Soviet era is back", get a grip... Russia was happily minding their own business when the US funded the neo-nazi overthrow of Ukraine in retaliation for their intervention into the Syrian mess in the summer of 2013...

You people really do need to read me before you comment on things you know nothing about...

I hear that TVF is giving away free tinfoil hats today.

It's hard to believe that someone would actually prefer and support Russia over the West. That is unless he's a Russian elite.

" It's hard to believe that someone would actually prefer and support Russia over the West "

And even a former US Presidential candidate says the same

The former Republican congressman and three-time presidential candidate Ron Paul has launched a scathing attack on what he calls a US-backed coup in Ukraine, insisting the Crimean people have the right to align their territory with Moscow and characterising sanctions against Russia as “an act of war”.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/15/ron-paul-crimea-russia-sanctions-act-of-war

[NeverSure]

This Russian incident was a real threat. NOT. That plane was developed in 1956 and is a slow propeller driven plane without much altitude or speed capability.

Russia is really struggling due a big drop in oil prices and simply doesn't have any money to spend on military. Its equipment and technology is crap.

All Putin can do or say to sound tough is to remind people that he has nukes. That whole bunch is comprised of Neanderthals.

Why are conventional weapons important any more? You talk about Neanderthals. Let's see what America would look like if Russia sets off an EMP using its nuclear arsenal

http://endoftheamericandream.com/archives/life-after-an-emp-attack-no-power-no-food-no-transportation-no-banking-and-no-internet

You're kidding, right? How many wars and skirmishes go on using conventional weapons? The answer is all of them since the US nuked Japan.

If Russia launched a nuke it would result in mutual assured destruction (MAD.) It would be suicide.

We are going to continue to see conventional spying with satellites, subs, planes, etc. and conventional battles and Russia doesn't have what it takes to keep up. LINK

Edited October 23, 2014 by NeverSure

[Asiantravel]

This Russian incident was a real threat. NOT. That plane was developed in 1956 and is a slow propeller driven plane without much altitude or speed capability.

Russia is really struggling due a big drop in oil prices and simply doesn't have any money to spend on military. Its equipment and technology is crap.

All Putin can do or say to sound tough is to remind people that he has nukes. That whole bunch is comprised of Neanderthals.

Why are conventional weapons important any more? You talk about Neanderthals. Let's see what America would look like if Russia sets off an EMP using its nuclear arsenal

http://endoftheamericandream.com/archives/life-after-an-emp-attack-no-power-no-food-no-transportation-no-banking-and-no-internet

You're kidding, right? How many wars and skirmishes go on using conventional weapons? The answer is all of them since the US nuked Japan.

If Russia launched a nuke it would result in mutual assured destruction (MAD.) It would be suicide.

We are going to continue to see conventional spying with satellites, subs, planes, etc. and conventional battles and Russia doesn't have what it takes to keep up. LINK

" and Russia doesn't have what it takes to keep up "

A mutual MEP attack would not result in total destruction as on the ground.

Who knows what Russia will end up doing if they keep being provoked

[Matej]

Well, it's not as if NATO has provoked Russia... Not in the slightest... How about the US / NATO non-aggression treaty that guaranteed Gorbachov that NATO would not expand into the east... Lies and a broken treaty... Then what about the FACT that the EU / US backed the neo-nazi overthrow of Ukraine... And what about the sanctions imposed on Russia by the west, the Saudis ramping up pumping to lower the cost of oil to hurt Russian exports, and on and on and on...

Putin has warned just last week that these actions might work when you are dealing with a 3rd world shithole that has no way to fight back, but Vlad reminded everyone that Russia is a nuclear power and not to be provoked...

For those bleating that the "Soviet era is back", get a grip... Russia was happily minding their own business when the US funded the neo-nazi overthrow of Ukraine in retaliation for their intervention into the Syrian mess in the summer of 2013...

You people really do need to read me before you comment on things you know nothing about...

There never was such a promise.

These things were discussed with Boris Jelcin ... Why do you think there's Russian diplomats at NATO?

What is your point anyway?

Baltic States are sovereign countries, they decided for NATO and West ...

Kremlin is not able to accept that age of colonialism, military imperialism and peace treaties is over.

What are they offering to their neighbors? Oligarchic hydra, corruption, backwardness and invisible enemies!

Signs of Nazism(national socialism) has Putin's regime ...

You people really do need to read me before you comment on things you know nothing about ...

I'd like to know what are you reading. Pravda? Iskra? Chomsky? ...

Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.

[sustento]

This Russian incident was a real threat. NOT. That plane was developed in 1956 and is a slow propeller driven plane without much altitude or speed capability.

The Il-20 is an Elint plane developed in the 70s. It doesn't need to go fast.

http://aircraft.wikia.com/wiki/Ilyushin_Il-20

[johna]

We have been flying over foreign territory since the Wright brothers, remember Francis Gary Powers??

[Jingthing]

Well, it's not as if NATO has provoked Russia... Not in the slightest... How about the US / NATO non-aggression treaty that guaranteed Gorbachov that NATO would not expand into the east... Lies and a broken treaty... Then what about the FACT that the EU / US backed the neo-nazi overthrow of Ukraine... And what about the sanctions imposed on Russia by the west, the Saudis ramping up pumping to lower the cost of oil to hurt Russian exports, and on and on and on...

Putin has warned just last week that these actions might work when you are dealing with a 3rd world shithole that has no way to fight back, but Vlad reminded everyone that Russia is a nuclear power and not to be provoked...

For those bleating that the "Soviet era is back", get a grip... Russia was happily minding their own business when the US funded the neo-nazi overthrow of Ukraine in retaliation for their intervention into the Syrian mess in the summer of 2013...

You people really do need to read me before you comment on things you know nothing about...

I hear that TVF is giving away free tinfoil hats today.

It's hard to believe that someone would actually prefer and support Russia over the West. That is unless he's a Russian elite.

" It's hard to believe that someone would actually prefer and support Russia over the West "

And even a former US Presidential candidate says the same

The former Republican congressman and three-time presidential candidate Ron Paul has launched a scathing attack on what he calls a US-backed coup in Ukraine, insisting the Crimean people have the right to align their territory with Moscow and characterising sanctions against Russia as “an act of war”.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/15/ron-paul-crimea-russia-sanctions-act-of-war

The U.S, always attracts a lot of weirdo fringe presidential candidates. Ron Paul never had any chance at all of being U.S. president. He's a radical "libertarian" and an isolationist, not to mention strongly associated with antisemitism. Sadly his equally wacko son (hilariously named Rand after Ayn Rand who is worshiped by the libertarian fringe) who clearly didn't fall very far from the tree is more discreet about how wacko he really is, and actually has a chance to be president. Not a big chance, but Daddy had no chance.

Edited October 23, 2014 by Jingthing

[NeverSure]

" and Russia doesn't have what it takes to keep up "

A mutual MEP attack would not result in total destruction as on the ground.

Who knows what Russia will end up doing if they keep being provoked

"if they keep being provoked"

Who is "They?"

[zappadave]

USA has the biggest armed forces, over 800 military bases around the world, but 18 trillion dollars of debt.

I think I will sit on a beach with a cold drink, and watch.

Sent from my GT-I8160 using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app

[rickirs]

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Well, it's not as if NATO has provoked Russia... Not in the slightest... How about the US / NATO non-aggression treaty that guaranteed Gorbachov that NATO would not expand into the east... Lies and a broken treaty... Then what about the FACT that the EU / US backed the neo-nazi overthrow of Ukraine... And what about the sanctions imposed on Russia by the west, the Saudis ramping up pumping to lower the cost of oil to hurt Russian exports, and on and on and on...

Putin has warned just last week that these actions might work when you are dealing with a 3rd world shithole that has no way to fight back, but Vlad reminded everyone that Russia is a nuclear power and not to be provoked...

For those bleating that the "Soviet era is back", get a grip... Russia was happily minding their own business when the US funded the neo-nazi overthrow of Ukraine in retaliation for their intervention into the Syrian mess in the summer of 2013...

You people really do need to read me before you comment on things you know nothing about...

Do you want to discuss Russia's agreement with Ukraine, UK, and the US to RESPECT Ukrainian sovergneity and not to politicize Russia's export of natural gas to Ukraine? NATO had no interest in Ukraine becoming a member and never explored such as idea. The UE did see Ukraine as a potential member and the former Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych campaigned his election on Ukraine joining the EU. Then Putin gave Yanukovych an $$$$ offer he couldn't refuse to not join the EU. Now by Putin's invasion of Ukraine both in the Croimea and Eastern Ukraine, he has forced Ukraine to fly into the arms of the EU and forced NATO to take miitary defensive action. You need to look again at your action-hero Putin.

[konying]

It's not like Russia is such a small country they run out of space to fly a plane on a training mission.

It's not like 1 min is a spy mission, but hey let's make something out of nothing

[Robert24]

I think you.underestimate Russia's military capabilities. They have invested a lot into the army now for many years and have clearly superior capabilities to many other countries in Europe maybe with exception of Great Britain and France. Also NATO's capabilities in Europe have diminished and they are now trying to reinvest and rebuild their European capabilities.

[skildpadden]

Well, it's not as if NATO has provoked Russia... Not in the slightest... How about the US / NATO non-aggression treaty that guaranteed Gorbachov that NATO would not expand into the east... Lies and a broken treaty... Then what about the FACT that the EU / US backed the neo-nazi overthrow of Ukraine... And what about the sanctions imposed on Russia by the west, the Saudis ramping up pumping to lower the cost of oil to hurt Russian exports, and on and on and on...

Putin has warned just last week that these actions might work when you are dealing with a 3rd world shithole that has no way to fight back, but Vlad reminded everyone that Russia is a nuclear power and not to be provoked...

For those bleating that the "Soviet era is back", get a grip... Russia was happily minding their own business when the US funded the neo-nazi overthrow of Ukraine in retaliation for their intervention into the Syrian mess in the summer of 2013...

You people really do need to read me before you comment on things you know nothing about...

Excuse me but who is provoking who? Do you truly believe that Russia annexing Crimea, supplying troops and equipment to the rebels in Eastern Ukraine, constantly violating other countries' airspace, claiming the North Pole Russian territory, South Ossetian war, etc. is not provoking anybody?

Russia's appetite for territory is huge - they need their Lebensraum.

Tell me what to read then - Stalins memoirs?

[Shamrock 1234]

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Absolutely agree with you. The west has been busily stoking the fires against Russia, which has acted with the greatest restraint. The Main Stream Media has of course followed its assigned role and poured more fuel on the fire. The nearby sea of Azov is a very desirable resource as the gas and oil fields situated in the region will tell you what is really going on in the soap opera called the Ukrainian Conflict.

Well, it's not as if NATO has provoked Russia... Not in the slightest... How about the US / NATO non-aggression treaty that guaranteed Gorbachov that NATO would not expand into the east... Lies and a broken treaty... Then what about the FACT that the EU / US backed the neo-nazi overthrow of Ukraine... And what about the sanctions imposed on Russia by the west, the Saudis ramping up pumping to lower the cost of oil to hurt Russian exports, and on and on and on...

Putin has warned just last week that these actions might work when you are dealing with a 3rd world shithole that has no way to fight back, but Vlad reminded everyone that Russia is a nuclear power and not to be provoked...

For those bleating that the "Soviet era is back", get a grip... Russia was happily minding their own business when the US funded the neo-nazi overthrow of Ukraine in retaliation for their intervention into the Syrian mess in the summer of 2013...

You people really do need to read me before you comment on things you know nothing about...

[ToddinChonburi]

The Russians are doing this almost daily against the US, One Mig kept flying near one of our aircraft carriers just daring it to shoot him down. They violate airspace by Alaska All the time.

Putin is a nut case !!!!!!

[konying]

RUSSIA SHOT DOWN A CIVILIAN PLANE KILLING OVER 200 INNOCENT PEOPLE . THAT IS A FACT !!!!!!!

NO ONE ELSE COULD HAVE OPERATED THAT MISSILE.

No access to news in Chonburi ?

[Wat dee]

Well, it's not as if NATO has provoked Russia... Not in the slightest... How about the US / NATO non-aggression treaty that guaranteed Gorbachov that NATO would not expand into the east... Lies and a broken treaty... Then what about the FACT that the EU / US backed the neo-nazi overthrow of Ukraine... And what about the sanctions imposed on Russia by the west, the Saudis ramping up pumping to lower the cost of oil to hurt Russian exports, and on and on and on...

Putin has warned just last week that these actions might work when you are dealing with a 3rd world shithole that has no way to fight back, but Vlad reminded everyone that Russia is a nuclear power and not to be provoked...

For those bleating that the "Soviet era is back", get a grip... Russia was happily minding their own business when the US funded the neo-nazi overthrow of Ukraine in retaliation for their intervention into the Syrian mess in the summer of 2013...

You people really do need to read me before you comment on things you know nothing about...

I hear that TVF is giving away free tinfoil hats today.

It's hard to believe that someone would actually prefer and support Russia over the West. That is unless he's a Russian elite.

It seems that west is doing most of the damage in the world. So what ever west does gotta be right just because Russians are "evil"?

[Slain]

The basis of the above argument that NATO wants to take over the former Soviet union, kind of falls down a bit when you think how long it is since the Berlin wall was pulled down by its own heroic citizens. NATO could have walked in through all the former Soviet states if it had the desire to.

[Wat dee]

Well, it's not as if NATO has provoked Russia... Not in the slightest... How about the US / NATO non-aggression treaty that guaranteed Gorbachov that NATO would not expand into the east... Lies and a broken treaty... Then what about the FACT that the EU / US backed the neo-nazi overthrow of Ukraine... And what about the sanctions imposed on Russia by the west, the Saudis ramping up pumping to lower the cost of oil to hurt Russian exports, and on and on and on...

Putin has warned just last week that these actions might work when you are dealing with a 3rd world shithole that has no way to fight back, but Vlad reminded everyone that Russia is a nuclear power and not to be provoked...

For those bleating that the "Soviet era is back", get a grip... Russia was happily minding their own business when the US funded the neo-nazi overthrow of Ukraine in retaliation for their intervention into the Syrian mess in the summer of 2013...

You people really do need to read me before you comment on things you know nothing about...

I hear that TVF is giving away free tinfoil hats today.

It's hard to believe that someone would actually prefer and support Russia over the West. That is unless he's a Russian elite.

They are all facts in Loptr post. "prefer and support" I don't understand how you came to that conclusion.

Right and wrong is not spelled west and east.